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>>16084689
>-Consumers, demand, go up, supply must go up.
Depends how they make their money. Immigrants from poor countries are a net-negative for most western countries, they rely on handouts, which comes from tax, decreasing the spending power the rich, reducing consumption.
>-This creates new jobs for the immigrants, as well as other growth, leading to constant job growth.
Low quality service jobs which don't provide enough tax to justify their presence. More people need to go into jobs managing the larger, unskilled, unintelligent population (think social workers, lawyers, judges, police, teachers, which means fewer smart people available for actually producing innovation)
>-A lot more money circulating throughout the economy, obviously a good thing.
Not really very obvious. The countries with the highest standard of living have fairly small populations that are on AVERAGE very wealthy.
>-Leads to higher standard of living for everyone.
Seems to me that the standard of living is plummeting, especially as home ownership becomes an unaffordable dream. Major cities are simply abandoned by the native cultures in the west, letting them fall into disrepair.

Look at it this way. In a modern economy most people are dead wood. We no longer need 60% of our population doing manual labour in the fields. However we have a natural inclination, or perhaps moral obligation, to see that those people who cannot improve their skills should have a decent standard of living, hence the minimum wage and benefits. Foreigners who come to compete with our unskilled native workers compete for these limited low wage jobs and take benefits. This to me seems like a betrayal. We do not need affordable nannies and gardeners, house cleaners or street sellers. Our rich and wealthy can get by without these.

>>14866930
People are not fungible. Unrestricted third world immigration is not a good solution to poor fertility among educated westerners. Immigration from outside the EU is a net negative for EU countries. It certainly doesn't make sense in light of climate change, as it's the quickest way of increasing somebody's CO2 output.
The solution is to either increase productivity (through automation, which we're told is going to take away all these menial jobs) or to encourage family formation.
>Babies are dependents for roughly 20 years before they hit the workforce
and in that time they learn the culture and skills necessary for the nation in which they live, i.e. they're integrated.

>>14310385
He throws so many shitty arguments at the page it's hard to know which one to focus on, but first
>Low IQ Americans will become all become managers
No, they won't. Pic related. The benefits accrue, briefly, to the right side of the bell curve.
>High IQ immigrants are great
Only in the context of not being an economic burden. Having high IQ outsiders in positions of power fundamentally weakens the nation, they have very different priorities to natives. See recent espionage by chinese immigrants at basically every level of corporate and government defense research.
>The cuisine is great!
Fuck off.

>>14161793
You have a pretty un-nuanced view of London. It does, in a way, encapsulate the weird alliance between capitalism and the left. It's a city that has some of the deepest poverty in the UK, but also the highest income. It just depends on who you are talking about. It's a place for wealthy middle easterners, chinese and russians to park their ill gotten assets in real estate and private banks and for the lowest immigrants to pack themselves into back garden sheds of a slum land lord. White professionals migrate for 3 hours daily to the centre to work elite jobs, and then leave. Young UK whites visit briefly in their early 20s after university and then realise they don't want to spend half their income renting and they will never own a London home so leave. London is not a British city anymore, it operates purely for the benefit of the global elite and resents every penny it has to give in tax renting the land it occupies in the UK.
Pic related describes the winners and losers of immigration, and what sort of immigration.