/lit/ - Literature

Oh, damn, wrong pic again, sorry.

t. OP

>>19049747

Plato disencourages the maintenance of philosophy through literature and emphasizes the importance of the philosophical tradition being rhetorical; philosophizing shouldn't be passive, since, afterall, its an "activity".

Whats the best order to read the dialogues

Supposing as The Republic becomes real. You see yourself as a guardian?

Bros I'm trying to enjoy this book but Socrates is a so wrong about so much stuff. I loved the section at the start where he refutes the angry man but after that he starts saying poets should be kicked out if they say something wrong about the gods. Please tell me they get back to discussing good and evil, right and wrong, and get away from this totalitarian fever dream Socrates is creating. I actually love the writing style but want so badly to discuss this with Socrates and maybe refute him. Does it get better after this section?

Give me a QRD on Book I of Plato’s Republic.
Everything I’ve read from Plato so far seems to follow the same general idea of Socrates poking holes in people’s assumptions about things. Book 1 was no different, but I want to know if I’m missing something deeper.

>>13154251
I did.

*closes book*
Well that was a colossal waste of time.

Is Justice really just minding one's business, and performing your duty?

Oh my God, the Republic is right about everything, isn't it? It's right about justice, it's right about the soul, it's right about metaphysics, it's right about politics. This slender little book of philosophy is right about so many things that it's driven people mad from trying to disagree with it (this is what happened to Nietzsche).

Was pic related autism? Particularly the end.

Let me explain why I'd recommend this book to everyone: Plato is stupid.

Seriously.

And it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot. Read this, understand that he is not joking, and understand that Plato is well and truly fucked in the head.

Every single one of his works goes like this:

SOCRATES: "Hello, I will now prove this theory!"
STRAWMAN: "Surely you are wrong!"
SOCRATES: "Nonsense. Listen, Strawman: can we agree to the following wildly presumptive statement that is at the core of my argument?" {Insert wildly presumptive statement here— this time, it's "There is such a thing as Perfect Justice" and "There is such a thing as Perfect Beauty", among others.}
STRAWMAN: "Yes, of course, that is obvious."
SOCRATES: "Good! Now that we have conveniently skipped over all of the logically-necessary debate, because my off-the-wall crazy ideas surely wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, let me tell you an intolerably long hypothetical story."
{Insert intolerably long hypothetical story.}
STRAWMAN: "My God, Socrates! You have completely won me over! That is brilliant! Your woefully simplistic theories should become the basis for future Western civilization! That would be great!"
SOCRATES: "Ha ha! My simple rhetorical device has duped them all! I will now go celebrate by drinking hemlock and scoring a cameo in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"

The moral of the story is: Plato is stupid.

How should I read this?

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>>11289260
Unironically read and loved every word. You sound high IQ af. How did you get like this and what’s your goal in life bb?

>just kind of wanna lick anon’s boipussy rn (no homo)

>btfo nietzsche before he even existed
wdhmbt?

Is there a perfect, ideal edition of Republic out there?

Was pic related autism?

When Socrates is talking about the guardians and the philosopher kings is he talking about the same class of people?

Let me see if I can get this straight:
>if the difference between things has no impact on the purpose, they should both be allowed to pursue that purpose
>the only difference between a bald man and a hairy man is hair, which has no impact on how good a cobbler one makes
>the only difference between men and women is that women can give birth, which has no impact on how good a soldier one makes
>therefore women should be soldiers

Am I missing something here? No consideration of all the other physical differences between men and women?

>>10855276
Read it

This is the only book anyone should read.

>The Republic, abridged -

Socrates: Do you know what? *Insert random, ridiculous claim here*, therefore *draws equally random and ridiculous conclusion from the previous statement*.

Mindless Drone: OH MY GREEK GODS, SOCRATES U R SOOOO SMART! THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. I'M GOING TO GO MAKE OUT WITH THE GROUND U WALK ON NOW, BECAUSE U R JUST THAT AMAZING.

Socrates: Oh, I'm just an innocent, humble philosopher, I don't actually know anything. *wink, wink*

Yeah, right, Socrates. Yeah right.

I'm a brainlet, and I have literally 0 (zero) knowledge of philosophy.

Is Plato's The Republic a good start?