/lit/ - Literature

>>23318182
>>23318313
I did not say >be me

>>23318182
https://vocaroo.com/13EuDGc4f5kr

>>23318185
Don't blame Milton, blame Marlowe.

>>23318172
What's the difference, it's the same word in my language

I am real tired of these discussions, I might just flip a table! Oh, this is a thread about poetry? My bad. I'll be on my way.

>>23318103
hey, dumbass, there is already a thread.

You ever have this thought?
> if I was going to achieve X, I’d have been well on my way a long time ago

>>23318342
Well if that moron had linked the thread then this problem wouldn't have happened

i saved a blood orange from dying of mould today, AMA

>>23318404
Fuck off only I get to write an ama

>>23318097
Celeste Ng - Our Missing Hearts

American Born Chinese by Gene Yang

>>23318097
Noli Me Tangere and it's sequel El Filibusterismo by Jose Rizal.

They're alright but hold a lot of historical significance as part of the Philippine Independence movement

>>23318309
If you're not the only one with your full name, this automatically doesn't apply to you.

>>23318093
Every so often I wake up in the middle of the night and I'll have this really palpable feeling of mortality. I'll be like "holy fuck, I'm going to die one of these days. I need to change how I'm living."
Then I go back to sleep, wake up again, and continue living exactly as I had the day before.
It seems pain and loss are our only real teachers.

The most agonizing thing about trying to better yourself is being exposed to other humans for extended periods and realizing just how fucking up and vile so much of your life/character is.

>>23318450
Mi estas Moira Bruna.

>>23318519
Brave

>>23318037
I'll never understand how you plebs get filtered so easily.

And?

>>23318194
And he's wrong, Non-Reader.

>>23318443
>Celeste Price is a beautiful 26-year-old woman who is unhappily married to Ford, an alcoholic police officer with a wealthy family. She is secretly a hebephile, and has constructed her life to facilitate the pursuit of 14-year-old boys. The novel opens just before her first day as an English teacher at Jefferson Junior High, where she plans to seduce a student.
what the fuck lmao
picked up

>>23318352
meaning to get into her
is mémoires d'hadrien the best place to start ?

>>23318513
Yes. It’s probably her best and best known too. The Abyss was worth a read as well

>>23318021
I literally don't have one.

>>23318409


YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

EXTRICATE YOURSELF FROM IDEOLOGICAL IDIOCY.

>>23318388
Majority of the members of my ethnicity act like subhumans. I do not so it is not self hate.

>>23317985
Reading may or may not make you open minded, but pretending to read so you can post "filtered" at the other 37 year old illiterate ESL virgins on /lit/ probably doesn't, so there's your answer.

>>23318470
true but don't act like outsiders don't just see all of us as the same lol

>>23318456
>Racism is power plus privilege

nice. redefining works to suit your marxist cause. Textbook propaganda. bravo sir

>>23317985
why would reading make you open minded, that's called being retarded. being smart is realizing good and bad are objective and everything else is midwit cope. also racism is a 100 year old word coined by a jew communist (redundant) to label his political opposition as undesirable, it's not a real thing

>>23317969
I like transformers and the origins of the transformers novel and its sequel. They were awesome.

>>23317969
The Ciaphas Cain series is one of 40k's best.

>>23318220
NTA but I can recommend something easy I read back in high school that isn't some YA dogshit. Look up Shot At Dawn, story about a Canadian WW1 soldier giving an interview before he's to be executed for abandoning his post due to shell shock.

>>23318220
Negro if you wanna start in literature you can't avoid established classics because they're "too plebian". I recommend reading smaller Russian, Japanese and German works, the drier the better.
Also short story collections, since you won't have to follow big plots and therefore are less demanding. Can't really make you a list because I'm not home at the moment, but maybe the other lit anons around can help out.

>>23318136
Fuck anon, that's terrible, I hope you're doing better now

Other anons have mentioned short stories or simpler material and I agree, you should start with that
my suggestions are The old man and the sea, any of Philip K. Dick's short stories, or Melville's Bartleby the scrivener or Billy Budd, Sailor

I enjoyed all of these and they're all relatively simple and short, hopefully they will get you to love reading again like you used to
God bless anon, and get back to health

>>23317943
Yes you should anon, you can only go up the ladder by climbing
The effort is worth it, start simple and never lose faith

>>23318220
Okay anon, here’s a step by step program:
1) Remove this patrician/pleb dichotomy from your brain. There is no le based patrician obscure classics that wizards hide from normalfaggots, there’s just books with good writing you like and books with good writing you don’t like. Some are more well known than others.
2) Find a book out there that interests you. Don’t read something for clout, that’s retarded. If you aren’t interested in Ulysses and what you can get out of it, then there’s literally no reason to read it.
3) Do some research beforehand about the author, the work, why people think it’s good etc. Never go into a book blind. Some books from certain authors (James Joyce, Henry James, Thomas Mann, Thomas Pynchon, DFW, Lev Tolstoy, William Faulkner, Cormac McCarthy)
4) Here’s some good books to start out with:
The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With the Sea by Yukio Mishima
A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
Notes From Underground by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Death of Ivan Ilych by Leo Tolstoy
Stoner by John Williams
The Stranger by Albert Camus
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
Dubliners by James Joyce
The Loser by Thomas Bernhard
Siddhartha by Herman Hesse

If you want a big long one:
Moby Dick by Herman Melville
The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexander Dumas
Crime And Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky

5) Start with the Greeks
6) The Bible
7) Profit

>>23317924
Kaufmann wrote that? Embarrassing.

>>23317941
i don't think there's any question that nietzsche idolized a certain period of greek nobility. i think the problem with this passage of kaufmann is that he doesn't quite capture the fact that it was nietzsche's fatalism that prevented him from naively advocating the adoption of those past norms, rather than any positive belief in the inherent superiority of "being autonomous" (an idea of which nietzsche wasn't especially fond, anyway ["many of those who can command themselves can not yet obey themselves" etc.)

>>23317924
Whether you hate/love Kaufmann is based on myriad motivations, this is also not the 1960's anymore so if you want to read Nietzsche in English there are plenty of options. As far as Kaufmann's ideas are concerned even if you hate him his works made Nietzsche popular outside Germany, I personally find some of his conclusions laughable, others interesting, and my biggest criticism might be that he glossed over several of Nietzsche's works in arriving at an existential outcome. All of this aside, he is sanitized Nietzsche and sanitized Nietzsche's works, you can argue about whether he over-sanitized and there are notable arguments to be made in this regard. He cannot really be robbed of his achievements though, and whether you love/hate him he is still pretty high on the totem pole of Nietzsche interpretations and translations. If you do not care for Kaufmann then do not read Kaufmann, he no longer has a monopoly and there are plenty of Nietzsche translations if you cannot read German, there are also more interpretations of Nietzsche available than there honestly should be at this point, and all of them usually fall short due to the nature of Nietzsche's works. I also will point out that several notable authors and thinkers have looked to Nietzsche for inspiration and regretted it later, that is the nature of the Nietzsche-sphere, just as much potential for damage as there is for profit. The fact that Kaufmann has made it this long and is still highly regarded and talked about is proof he could make in the Nietzsche-sphere, if you really hate him that much then do a better job yourself.

>>23318078
>>23317974
>>23317941
>>23317924
>At age 11, finding that he believed neither in the Trinity nor in the divinity of Jesus, he converted to Judaism. Kaufmann subsequently discovered that his grandparents were all Jewish.

>>23318458
wow i wonder why kauffman fought so hard to sanitize and whitewash nietzsche and steer readers away from illiberal conclusions.
i guess we'll never know.

>>23317877
He’s far better. Kingsley Amis wrote farces, Martin Amis wrote kino.

>>23318050
those weren't farces k amis wrote. they are life-- tragedy salted with humour.

>>23317873
Yes. His first three novels are great.

>>23317877
read this book a few weeks ago. really messed me up.

I've only read Time's Arrow, which was decent but nothing special.

It is pretty good and should increase your comprehension in general. Le Ton beau de Marot: In Praise of the Music of Language is probably my favorite book on the topic but Eco is more practical.

>>23318126
>miracles during Jesus' ministry aren't the lynchpin of Christian belief, as miracles have been documented to be faked by living people, but rather his resurrection
How do you even type something like this and think it was a good answer to whether [secular or historical] scholars agree Jesus was a supernatural being? If he could walk around after being killed and then ascend to heaven, he could do anything else claimed, because at that point it doesn't matter what sounds believable or not, the entire notion of observable nature, cause and effect, life itself, all totally overturned by this person. Which non-religious scholars believe in the resurrection but think doing nothing but teleport bread for three days was a bridge too far?

>>23318191
And I agree with you. What I'm saying is that the resurrection rendered the miracles more believable than if Jesus never rose from the dead. If he was raised from the dead as he said he would, chances are he wasn't faking everything else he said and did.

>>23318300
>the resurrection rendered the miracles more believable
the resurrection is itself a miracle, so it is silly to suggest "scholars" accept it more than the non-resurrection miracles

>>23317863
Islam is way more botches and primitive than Buddhism. It has it' s truths but it is a lower stage religion. Buddhism is more advanced and this imposion of the higher castes towards the lower ones, the rift that grew, was the reason islam spreaded so succesfully among the poorer and more backwards peoples of Christianity and Buddhism who got fed up serving an hypocritical elite who gave little back while taking so much. Christ came back from the desert, Buddha came back from the mountain. The Buddhist and Christian elites as a rule did not and this is why Islam was so succesfull.

>>23317911
B A S E D POST.

READ THE DEMON DOG

I've read 5 Georges Simenon stories
I think they're the perfect length, not too long like a Christie novel can be and not too short like a Holmes story can be
They're comfy and you really get a sense of the specific part of France that the story is taking part in
The mysteries are ok, nothing special

>>23317838
bump

Nero Wolfe is the Montenegrin meme before there was even tvs

>>23317834
never read dickens. which ones should i read before i die?

>>23317857
Arguably all the novels except for Barnaby Rudge and The Old Curiosity Shop (although I'm partial to it myself), as well as his Christmas stories. If you want a shorter reading list then I think Bleak House, Great Expectations, David Copperfield are among his most admired.

>>23317793
This book sounds pretty interesting. Thanks for putting it on my radar OP. I dig shit like this.

>>23317793
>mid book by another self-hating sudaca
it's all so tiresome

this book sounds awful i am relearning math at 24 and having a blast

>>23317829
It’s interesting enough if you want a brief and not particularly in depth look at mathematical advances in the middle of the 20th century and the adverse effect it had on those attempting to explore it. I don’t think this book is saying anything particularly clever but it’s at least a nice summarising of things.

>>23317793
math is evil, yes

>>23317791
It's alright. Got a little sappy sometimes. I like the beginning when they were riding down to Mexico. Lost interest towards the end. Don't plan on reading the rest. and and and and they rode on

>>23317791
McCarthy's most romantic work. A love letter to the Southwestern landscape. Also a bildungsroman about a cowboy born a little too late.

Is it true that mccarthy was a satanist

>>23318081
worse, he was a materialist.

>>23318096
Same thing

it's comically over for me

Losing your virginity is not really a big deal but having sex with someone you like/ find attractive is nice.

>>23317794
Dated (for 2 months) and fucked a fat chick. Not worth it.
Their pussies stank AND looked dirty.

>>23317792
I'd pick sniffing asshole and some spanking over penetration to be desu.

>>23317894
B U C C A L

It's over.

>>23317760
My phone is too old for it

When will they start reading it?

>>23317768
Guess we could do a thread on /lit/ after the reading period for each book? Check back here on the 9th of May for a thread discussing Faulker's As I Lay Dying.

>>23318030
Today. Finish date is 9th of May, which is plenty of time. We set the reading times to be longer than most would think is needed in order to accommodate the busy lives of our book club members (trading shitcoins, shitposting, getting fucked up, having a life in general, etc.)

Looking forward to arguing about things that don't matter with you ;)

>>23318258
Thank you anon, I will