/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Just a reminder /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

*proves you wrong*

[Anonymous No.]

What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

Oh how I know that. I reached a point were studying alone drives me insane. Its like eng. (not native here) Once you have learned the basics you need interactions with others in the language you learn or use the language in your daily life to improve further.

Good thing I recently met the folks from the native japanese club in my city. Gonna be great.

[Anonymous No.]

It can only be learnt by making love with a beautiful Japanese onee-san, yes I already know this ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

Yes you can.

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My friend who is very fluent in Japanese is helping me learn it. He's such a great guy. I've been meaning to learn some verbs but I've just been too busy lately and feel like shit about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Are you doing viral advertising for this?

[Anonymous No.]

ALART

YOU CANNOT LEARNING JAPAN'S ALONG

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>>9914376
That is, in fact, false.

[Anonymous No.]

It's true...

I think I'll just go to a community college next year. I can't study alone without being forced to do stuff like homework and tests.

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>>9914376
Actually...

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>>9914467
>>9914486
Freaks

[Anonymous No.]

Using online resources isn't learning alone
Your teacher is the shit you use online

STOP BEING FUCKING RETARDS
NONE OF YOU HAVE LEARNED JAPANESE ALONE
SHIT FUCKING LIARS
I HATE ALL OF YOU
ARROGANT COCK SUCKERS

YOU THINK YOU'RE SO FUCKING SMART
YOU ARENT
NO
YOU ARE NOT
SHIT HEAD
FUCK

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>>9914709
I actually wrote a program from scratch to simulate the entire Asian continent. I did all the geological, sociopolitical and linguistic research myself, using a programming language I created on a circuit board I built after mining the materials on my own. You don't know SHIT about me.

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>>9914330

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>>9914439
>Obsolete kana
ｗｗｗ

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Depends on what you define as having learned Japanese. You learn things by doing them. If you want to learn enough to play eroge, you will learn it by playing eroge. If you want to learn enough to talk in Japanese, you can only learn it by talking in Japanese. So if you don't plan to use Japanese with other people, you don't need other people to learn it.

It's not fucking rocket science.

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I learned to read Japanese by myself. I can't speak it, and my listening comprehension leaves a lot to be desired, but I can form sentences well enough to make the occasional post on 2ch, and my reading comprehension is enough to understand pretty much any book/comic/game without a hitch.

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>>9914330
Fuck off nobody here learned Japanese to talk to disgusting japs. We only want their eroge.

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>>9914787
I thought listening comprehension was the easiet part. You need more exposure.

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>>9914775
How is it obsolete? It's really everywhere, a little bit there and there.
I would claim that it's a handicap not to know it, and it would be kind of embarrassing to claim to know Japanese yet know them.

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>>9914787
I thought listening comprehension was the easiest part. You need more exposure.

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>>9914808
He's not saying kana is obsolete he's complaining about how obsolete kana (wi and we) are on the chart.

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>>9914815
No, I got that. But you still find them a little bit here and there. Especially in older works.

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>>9914808
I've never encountered ゑ before, ever. But on the other hand, even though ゐ is obsolete, you need it for Tewi's name.

What I don't get, though, why do charts comprehensive enough to include ゑ and ゐ just completely ignore づ? It's used in many common modern words, and it really confused me when I started seeing it even though no one thought it necessary to teach me about it.

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>>9914809
Listening is much harder in Japanese because their are a lot of words that sound exactly the same. These words are much easier to distinguish in writing because they use separate kanji. Listening to Japanese speak is like reading in all hiragana.

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I stopped trying

jin kigoi

maybe if I could find a cute japanese girl to train with it'd be better.

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Just a reminder /jp/.

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>>9914859
I laughed.

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>>9914859

Fuck you piece of piss
you can't tell me what I can or cunt do
FUG OFF

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>>9914859
This is true.

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I learned how to speak Japanese by applying Kana Hanazawa's voice onto my tulpa.

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>>9914873

>tulpa

LIIIAAAAAAARRRRR

NOT REAL

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>>9914873
I can never get over how adorably hot that gif is

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>>9914873

But that's Taeyeon fron SNSD.

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>>9914878

Is too real you asshole!

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>>9914882

FUG YOU, SHITBIRD

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>>9914873

>tulpa

>>>/x/

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>>9914859
>Arcade
>$9/month

>Toolbox
>$19/month

>Complete
>$29/month
At those prices I sure can't. I have kind of or at least sort of struggled to learn it myself for years, and I absolutely can't endorse the idea of paying these sickening prices when there is no guarantee that it will even amount to anything.

I mean, it's not like it's $600 for a guarantee of learning Japanese.
I mean, if there was some kind of gurantee then sure, that's a fair price. But as it is I would rather just use that money to buy some games, or a meiki onahole, and then just go about and casually try to learn each time I hear or read any Japanese by myself.

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>>9914825
>ゑ
I've seen that come up once in Itsusora.

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I'm in the same situation as >>9914787 is. Studied the language just for visual novels so I can read (and listen) quite well, though my output skills are still bad. To compare; two of my friends who took actual language courses can speak and write much better than I do though they can't read anything but the simplest of stuff assisted with furigana.

Plus the hardest obstacle in learning Japanese is just the writing system (which takes plenty of pure memorization). Everything else is very easy.

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>>9914960

They can write but not read? How the hell does that work?

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>>9914967
They can write *some* stuff. When I said I'm bad at output skills, I meant that I'm REALLY bad. I always forget how the radicals look like, not to mention what kanji they're used for.

F.ex. I can easily read something like 愚か者, but I can never remember the strokes for either of those kanji when I'm supposed to write it out myself. I even sometimes forget kana strokes, but have no trouble distinguishing them in texts.
Speaking about handwriting of course.

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>>9914967
Encoding and decoding information take place in two different parts of the brain--Broca's area for one, Wernicke's area for the other. People who have one of them damaged but not the other can end up being able to speak/write without being able to understand/read, or vice-versa.

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Look at that smug bitch, you know she's just thinking about how you'll give up on learning in a month, if you even make it that far. Then she'll offer you tutoring for money/sexual services, but it won't matter because you're too dumb to ever learn a language. I wanna hit her.

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>>9915000

I'd like to believe that many of us that learned Japanese just for their hobbies can read it just fine but can't hand write it. I sure as hell can't and never bothered (or will bother) to learn.

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>>9915151
Same here. I can recognize, say, 国際会議 if I see it, but no way I'd be able to write it from memory.

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>>9915151
It'd be pretty fancy to be able to write it, but I'm not going to bother with that yet, until I find I don't have much else to learn.

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It is unwillingness that prevent you to learn japanese, /jp/.

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>>9915186

No motivation

sure I wouldn't have to "translate it weeaboos" or be able to read and write a lot of stuff but why?

[Anonymous No.]

Learn Japanese the right way bitches.
If I wasn't learning how to write since the beginning I think I would have no motivation to continue studying.

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>>9915271
You could enjoy many new sources of entertainment without the need to wait for translations and such

I personally am still fairly motivated (just started), but I can see how it is a lot of work.

Taking notes on the Tae Kim grammar guide for just the first page (State of being) took me a few hours because I was also practicing how to write stuff like 友達　and 学生

I still need to do the practice page and I already know that will take me a very long time to do

[Anonymous No.]

My only motivation to actually learn Japanese is the dream of living in Japan someday.
Of course it's good to consume media without having to wait for translations, but I don't think that it's worth the effort.

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>>9915291
>>9915291
I'm a pixiv user and I currently learning Japanese because I desire to communicate & getting along with 2hu doujin artist that I adore. Is that motivation good enough?

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俺は勉強が嫌いだ！

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>>9915726
俺も。

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>>9915813
あたしも～♥

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>>9915819
お前は女性だすか？

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>>9915151
I'm a little lost so I'll ask, if I want to learn how to read text as quickly as possible, completely ignoring writing and other skills, what exactly is the path I should follow? A couple of months ago, I tried to pick it up by this guide http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/how-to-read-visual-novels-in-japanese-in-2-years-time
-step-by-step-guide-%E2%80%95-learn-to-read-through-vn-or-anime/, but when we started having some Anki threads a few weeks back and it came up again, many people said that the hesig method was not good because it didn't teach you any readings for the kanji. Looking back, it made sense so I decided to abandon that method, but for a while, I felt very lost and asked about what I should do. Some kind anon suggested I downloaded some JLPT decks and started to drill those instead, but then THAT anon was shot down by another saying that said decks weren't very effective for some reason and another.

I really didn't want to lose my stride, but the work was piling up so I decided to delete everything and start fresh on something else while I gathered some info. I even installed Rosetta Stone and downloaded some raws just so I have an excuse to study more time per day, but I still feel pretty lost.

So I feel the need to ask. If you were to learn the language from scratch simply to enjoy media like VN's, what's the best approach to take? I just really want to stop fighting over my tools and focus on the learning for once.

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>>9915827
>だすか

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>>9915827
やぁ(*´∀`*)

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>>9915827
うん、君は？

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>>9915874
What is wrong with that? Please respond.

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>>9915900
>だすか
>ですか

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>>9915853
>many people said that the hesig method was not good because it didn't teach you any readings for the kanji.

When people say that, you can tell they never got past the first book.

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>>9915887
いや、男だよ。 俺のちんぽを見たい？

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>>9915853
Stick with Anki decks or use Memrise. Memrise has Heisig courses, but also teach the readings on top of it. The format is like a game, which makes it a bit more fun than just grinding away flashcards. After you get some vocab under your belt, read Tae Kim's Grammar Guide.

It doesn't really matter what guide you follow. What's important is dedication. Any of the methods will bring you to the same result if you put in the work.

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>>9915902
だす is formal Kansai ben, just so you guys know. In Kyoto it is どす。

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>>9915914
It's funny because you sound like a 小学生

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>>9915887
えぇ～嘘だ。これはネットだ！女性はいないよ。

Was that right, /jp/?

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>>9915929
I'm pretty sure you can't use "This" like the way we would use it for something like "Here". In Japanese you don't say this is Japanese, unless you were pointing at a map I guess. I think it's just ここは日本だ. So I think it's ここはネット。

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>>9915951
Ah, you're right. That's a silly mistake. Thank you anon!

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No problem, anytime.

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>>9915711
You're on the right way, fellow Toubro.

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>>9915909
W-what do you mean?

Aren't Onyomi readings always useful for reading Jukugo?

Aren't Kunyomi readings useful for reading the actual word?

Why wouldn't you want to learn them?

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>>9916024
I will fucking report you every time.

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>>9916028
He means the second book teaches you those. Though I don't see a point in learning them separately, but whatever works for you.

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>>9916034
Why wouldn't you learn them together?

Albeit, it does sound like it would make it alot easier.

Doing Kanji = Definition
then Kanji = ON + KUN

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>>9916041

Heisig is garbage. It's the troll of the Japanese language learning just like if someone would to start off reading SICP for programming or Andrew loomis for drawing.

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>>9916051
let me guess, you think KD is superiar

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>>9916051
>SICP for programming
ohhhh
I see....

I get your real meaning brah.

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>>9916051
Wait.

I know SICP is not a good book for *starting from scratch*, it's simply a book to learn how to design programs in an elegant way.

But... are you telling me Loomis' books have the same purpose? Holy shit I've been lied to.

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>>9916063
I can't into mnemonics, so I don't use either. KD does have the nice page of dupes, but I don't know if it's at all accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

No need to hate on SICP. Patchouli loves SICP. And the book actually teaches you alot of good to know things.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought this was just happening on Youtube, but I see it's even happening on 4chan. Some, but not all, Japanese text for me are squares. It wasn't like this before. How do I fix this?

[Anonymous No.]

What is the most sufficient way to teach yourself?

From what I gathered

1. Learn and memorize Katakana and Hiragana
2. Boot up aniki/RTK/Kanji program of your choice
3. Read grammar guide
X. Practice on japanese text of your choice (Can be applied while doing 2-3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9916769
update your browser/OS

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>>9916782
That's about it. If you can read out aloud as you read. I am surprisingly good at speaking now.

[Anonymous No.]

But I could learn this alone *grabs dick*

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>>9916912
Thats not learning.

[Anonymous No.]

Do ur reps jaypee!
Don't make me get daddy!

[Anonymous No.]

I learned enough alone to read VNs which is all I ever really need anyways.

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>>9915853
I did the whole of the 1st Heisig and reviewed for a few months. The original way, not Aeeru's kanji to keyword since that's simply retarded because you should try to remember forms and stroke orders not FUCKING ENGLISH KEYWORDS. In retrospect I would recommend Heisig only to those who
A. Have really hard time distinguishing kanji
B. Are learning handwriting
Second Heisig book is just stupid. It doesn't teach enough readings, and the one it does teach are just thrown there, but their uses in actual words aren't really elaborated. Vocabulary is best learned in context.
F.ex. the Core 2000 deck and onwards are really good vocabulary learning tools (though some of the vocab leans on "business life" area) and so is everything you make yourself using Anki's Yomichan add-on with text hooks (AGTH / ITH -> play game -> copy pasta the output into a text file -> make new cards using Yomichan).

In short, here's what I did to learn Japanese
1. Kana
2. Heisig 1 (which wasn't that useful in retrospect)
3. Tae Kim's Grammar Guide (teaches you almost everything related grammar in easy to understand way)
4. Core 2000 deck
5. Start reading VNs / playing games, make decks using Yomichan
6. Keep making new cards, stop at some point and just immerse myself and keep reading stuff with text hookers' help (for Rikaichan / JParser)

Took less than two years and I can now read most stuff (SubaHibi, Asairo, Grisaia level).

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What I'm doing has taken a long time. I'm fucking lazy. But I learned Hira/Kata a while ago and now I'm going through apps on my android phone.

I've found a good one, JLPT Practise. It hasn't got the updated N5, but it's good anyway. It's basically just like anki, flash cards, but I like this one, since I don't have to make my own to get the Kanji, the meaning and the readings all in one.

I intend to finish this JLPT level 3, which I suspect is N4 and maybe some N5 kanji, then focus on learning various common words, by reading manga with furigana. Then N3, etc.

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I use Memrise instead of Anki.

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>>9918586
hipster

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ageru

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Consuming raw media after a certain amount of Japanese study is like being a kid watching TV again - not being able to understand quite a few of the words, but still being able to comprehend what is meant.

[Anonymous No.]

but I did
just like I did with English
English is more difficult

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>>9918838

As a native speaker, I can't help but wonder how foreigners deal with the lack of spelling rules.

If I know a word in Japanese, aside from a handful of easily remembered exceptions, I can spell it, due to the consistency of kana. How do those learning it as a second language remember so many arbitrary spellings that the natives just learn through many years of experience?

I imagine the grammar is difficult to, due to being entirely regulated by what "sounds right", rather than by any real consistent rules.

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>>9918871

Native English speaker, I mean. That post was more ambiguous than intended.