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>> No.9382532

Post the real version where the katana cuts it.

>> No.9382530

Not real Japanese steel

>> No.9382534

This is a known fake, the katana is the most powerful type of sword in the world and all the historians know this.

>> No.9382541

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

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>>9382532

>> No.9382555
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>>9382532

>> No.9382559

Bro are you kidding...that katana hasn't even been folded once, let alone thousands of times. Samurais would never use that kind of low quality katana you fucking faggot.

>> No.9382563

I don't want to see any more replies after this one in this thread.

This includes ironic shitposting in 'lol look at this sperglord'. Please, /jp/.

>> No.9382566

>>9382563
lol look at this sperglord

>> No.9382568

>>9382563
lol look at this sperglord

>> No.9382574

>>9382563
lol look at this sperglord

>> No.9382580
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>>9382555
>It's not even the same sword.

>> No.9382581

>>9382563
lol look at this sperglord

>> No.9382583

>>9382566
>>9382568
>>9382574
is this the birth of an epic new meme?

>> No.9382586

>>9382563
Are you seriously saying that while /v/ is here?

>> No.9382589

>>9382583
lol look at this sperglord

>> No.9382606

How can there be more than one sperg lord?

>> No.9382605

>>9382563
lol look at this sperglord

>> No.9382611

>>9382606
Using Lord in the land owning definition instead of the religious one.

>> No.9382615
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9382615

No chinese weapon will ever look this good

>> No.9382612

>>9382606
It's like Highlander, there is more than one but they have to fight to the death so there can be only one.

>> No.9382622

lol look at this sperglord

>> No.9382617

>>9382551
Guaranteed replies

>> No.9382621

>>9382617
Well obviously not, samefag.

>> No.9382628

What do you guys mean when you say folding?

>> No.9382636

>>9382621
That wasn't me you little shitsnot.

>> No.9382637

>>9382628
Look it up, OP.

>> No.9382661

>>9382541
First of all, knights didn't wear plate armour. They wore mail. 99.9% of the time.
Next, a Katana made from Japanese iron made into steel could not break through a European iron sword because Japan has incredibly poor quality of iron. That's why they had to make it into steel, not because they're "master smiths", but because they needed to out of necessity for it to cut through anything! Now if it were to take so long to make one katana, that's idiotic. You can't supply an army of troops with katanas that take years to produce, when someone can massively produce iron broad swords that are stronger in a short period of time in comparison. It's why Japan was almost never going to war with anybody but themselves because they couldn't fund giant invasions and lacked the technology to attack, say a Chinese kingdom at the time.
Overall the reason why we see "KATANA CUTS THROUGH EUROPEAN SWORD" videos, is because they use good quality imported iron from other areas of the globe and then put it through the testing. Now if you were to get authentic iron from Japan and authentic iron from Europe, once you forged the Japanese steel katana and the European iron broadsword you could see how the katana would be destroyed.

>> No.9382668
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9382668

Unparalleled. Truly the greatest sword ever made.

>> No.9382696

Samurais were only able to fight with katanas ,Dai-Katana ,bows and sometimes spear

Knights were able to fight with sword ,maces ,warhammer ,axes ,Spear and variants and Shield. They knew how to use bows and crossbows.

The sword in Europe isn't the center of weaponry.

>> No.9382778

The Japs never figured out that heavy cavalry > everything. Any clash with an european army would have been hilarious.

>> No.9382792

>>9382778
Heavy cavalry means nothing when your knights already have an arrow pierced through their guts.

>> No.9382797

>>9382792
Do you understand what 'heavy' means?

>> No.9382799

>>9382792


And then , shields were invented

>> No.9382813

Makes me wonder if there are Japanese that still oblivious to this fact when they compare Katanas with Broad swords.

>> No.9382839

>>9382813
This.

I wonder if there are actual japanese in the 23rd century that still believe that a katana would best a broadsword.

>> No.9382845

>>9382778
True. The only effective strategy was to have a heavy cavalry of your own. I doubt the Japanese could have producted any heavy steel armor with the shitty iron they got.

>> No.9382855

>>9382668
>>9382668
This series it has a special place in my hearth.

>> No.9382860

>>9382845
There are different types of iron? What was different about? Did it simply had more impurities in it?

Also dosent Japan have next to nothing in natural resources?

>> No.9382873

>>9382860
It has acid granite, black mica and salty basaltic stone (which is nearly impossible to remove)

>> No.9382929
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If they made a massive Katana the size of a board sword then you could have the best of both worlds.

I also once saw a picture of the three basic kind of Katana.
One was the curved katana without a point for thusting that OP has a pic of.
The next katana was was a strait katana, like OP's but no curve, without a point for thrusting.
The 3rd one was a curved double edge Katana that was pointed at the end for thrusting. It was still a curved Katana, but was pointed at the end because of the double edge.

I could never find a picture again.......sad.....
I want a Katana made with the famous Seven Layer Technique....If I can become recognized for such a privilege.

Any Japanese or Gaijin cannot simply buy a Katana.
You must be recommended and recognized by a Kendo or Kenjutsu Dojo for accepting one. The Kendo or Kenjutsu Dojo speaks with the Katana craftsmen to make the recognized pupal a Katana, but that doesn't mean the craftsmen will make you one; they can still refuse. On top of that you will need Japanese Government approvel to remove or take the official Katana out of Japan.
Very hard to acquire one.

>> No.9382940

>>9382929
Maybe that's to hide the fact that the katana is actually a piece of shit?

>> No.9382950

>>9382929
Or you could make just gigantic steel list which can fall and borrow underneath it thousands of people. Question is - who will rise that list so it can fall? And who will rise your gigakata so it can slash?

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T-H-E-RE A-E-R S-O M-A-N-Y O-F T-HEM THE GOVERNMENTS MUST HAVE APROVED ON ALOT OF SWORD THEN

>> No.9382954

>>9382951
>alot of swords
That's horrible. Who would force an alot to be made of swords.

>> No.9382955
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>>9382940
Blasphemy

>> No.9382973

>>9382951
News flash bro....

There made in China by sword smiths (or at least the durable folded ones).
Other than that any that come out of Japan are not real Katanas and are mass produced that will break quite easily. The anime and ect. ones aren't up to par or officials.

>> No.9382975

>>9382929
Or you could just get one made by a decent euro/usa smith.

>> No.9383007

>>9382975
Yes, but I doubt that they have learned the traditional way or trained with Japanese Black smiths.

On top of that, the Japanese sword smiths all extract their iron from Japanese volcanoes.
This is part of what makes Japanese Katanas official

>> No.9383013

>>9383007
You're funny, but please don't drag this thread on any longer.

>> No.9383035

>>9383007
But that means euro/usa smiths make better swords...

>> No.9383068
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9383068

>>9383013
This is my last post on this thread.
>>9383035
Not necessarily.

>> No.9383116
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>>9382855
yeah, me too.

>> No.9384027

>>9382530
>Not real Japanese steel

Yes, it is. That's exactly the problem.

Japanese steel a shit.

>> No.9384055

Just give it up guys, the rapier is the greatest blade ever made.

>> No.9384071

>>9384055

Try to pierce a plate mail with your flimsy, unsharpened piece of sheet metal.

>> No.9384080

>>9383035
>>9383007
actually there are plenty of swordsmiths in the us that make katanas the traditional way and some of them even go as far as to use imported ironsands from japan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZGb533QcME&feature=related

>> No.9384088

Why do you guys keep calling it broadsword. It's a longsword, or 'bastardsword', if you want a modern term. A broadsword is something different.

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>>9383116
That guy's art and CG sets turn my dick into diamonds.

>> No.9384101

>>9384093
in hardness or size?

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>>9384101
What do you think?

>> No.9384218
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9384218

>single edged swords

Where I come from, this kind of blades were only used by peasants and common soldiers.

>> No.9385713

>>9382940
Seriously THIS, it's the oldest bullshit technique in the book.

"Katanas are the best sword ever!"
"Here's this video of a katana being broken over a European sword."
"Oh but that's not a REEEEEAL katana!"
"Okay, where do I get a real katana?"
"Pff, you can't just GET a real katana!"

It's just another moving goalpost, no-true-scotsman, dodging the argument bullshit fallacy.

>> No.9385728

/k/ here.

Germany has the best smiths in the west, and Nepal has the best smiths in the east. Japan is shit tier for smithing.

>> No.9385731

Real Samurai use spears

>> No.9385757

>>9385728
>Nepal has the best smiths in the east

Only because of wootz.

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Even Gil thinks Katanas are shit

>> No.9385799

Fuck
I just accidently delete my post I was going to make.
It was going to be my last post for the night too.
I'll have to come back tomorrow to say my statement.
Good night /jp/.

>> No.9385802

>>9382951
It's "a lot", not "alot"

I bet you even spell it "aswell" rather thean "as well" don't you? You filthy little man.

>> No.9385810

>>9385799

Good thing the thread will be gone by then.

>> No.9385848

One day I will possess the real queen of blades - a German longsword.

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