/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

SUBTERRANEAN ANIMISM IS A FUCKING SHIT GAME AND EVERYONE WHO HAS BEATEN IT IS A FUCKED-UP SAVANT

I've managed a 1cc on EoSD, PCB, and MoF, but SA is fucking impossible. That fucking cat near the beginning of Stage 5 is the hardest boss I have ever fought, and I've barely gotten to fight the boss of Stage 5 at ALL, much less defeat her.

I barely ever rage over video games, but this is fucking infuriating.

[Anonymous No.]

are you the same sperglord who sperged out about Kanako a while ago?
because you sound like him

[Anonymous No.]

Going on /jp/ and calling people autists is kind of overkill, isn't it?

yes I beat SA 1cc

[Anonymous No.]

bomb it 3 times

[Anonymous No.]

Instead of being a bastard bitch I'll just provide this pic.

Yes Rin is tough........ fucking hate that cat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115009

Yes. I apologize. Kanako wasn't worth that amount of rage. This FUCKING CAT, however...

>>9115030

>First image
>Easy

What? You don't get to just stay in that little space to move left and right! If you stay at the bottom of the screen, your character doesn't move fast enough while focused to make it through, as you have to cover a LOT of distance to make it through those paths. Unfocusing, however, makes you go TOO fast, so you'll die. You have to stagger your movement, and at that speed, it's STUPIDLY difficult.

Or, you can try moving up to go through the paths before things go TOO fast, but then the paths are FUCKING narrow and they're STILL not what anyone would call 'slow'.

Does Reimu just have it easier than Marisa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9114999
Stop shitting up the board with your annoying bitching, give up on SA if you had trouble with MoF, casual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115081
Are you stupid? Move up during that cats non spell and then move to the left/right and it's easy. Don't stay at the bottom you fucking autist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115103

>>9115081
>Or, you can try moving up to go through the paths before things go TOO fast, but then the paths are FUCKING narrow and they're STILL not what anyone would call 'slow'.

I guess I can go give it some more attempts. It's not like I have anything to do.

[Anonymous No.]

You again? Man, seriously, SA was one of the first games that I've 1CC'd. I even think I've mentioned it in your previous thread. When you master every single boss, everything will get easier. You'll reach Okuu with 9 lives and say "haha you can't kill me", then you'll 1CC and be happy. Aside of Orin, every single boss is very easy. Hell, if you practice Orin enough times, you'll beat her.

[Anonymous No.]

This is nothing new. SA is known to have a bullshit stage 5. The level is hard, the midboss is hard, and the boss is hard. Only other stage 5 boss that compares is Shou. I recommend you leave it until you've 1cc'd the other games.

[Anonymous No.]

Take it easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115010 again.

I had the same problems as you, OP. You really need to work the fuck through it. I spent three days straight trying to 1cc Subterranean Autism. I believe in you!

But fucking Koishi, oh my gawd, don't even go there. When you finish, quit and never go back. She's not worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

Where does SA rank with the other games, in terms of difficulty? I remember being told at one point that MoF was one of the harder ones, so I thought SA would be taking it easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115156

i think it's the hardest normal mode there is out there


if that makes any sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115156
Highest. However some people say it's easy and insist that UFO is the hardest, though I find UFO ridiculously easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115164

UFO is a fucking joke

the ufo mechanic made the game more about memorizing ufo "drops" than actual boss fights

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115156
I've heard from multiple sources that it was the hardest Touhou of them all.

Opinions, opinions, yeah, whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115156
It's normal mode is comparable to hard mode of all the other games. I would say it has by far the hardest normal mode, and a lunatic mode that is top tier in difficulty too, it's right up there with UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115168
I completely agree with you, it's a shame that most people swear that UFO is the hardest touhou game ever, but oh well, whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115146

I haven't put much effort into the Extra stages at all. My plan was to Normal 1cc all of the main 2hus from EoSD onward (except for IN because its systems are weird and PoFV because it's PoFV) in order, and then go back and start on Hard 1cc's and Extra Stages.

I don't know what I'm going to do if any of the later 2hus are much more difficult than this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115184
They aren't, not for normal mode anyway. Anyone who disagrees with SA having the hardest normal mode is just plain WRONG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115163
>>9115164
>>9115171
>>9115174

Huh. Well, I'll certainly have a reason to feel proud when this is all over.

>>9115168

Does UFO have weird systems like IN did or something? The percentages, slave/master things, the fact that death bombs will solve all of your problems forever, etc. turned me off from IN pretty hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115184
I, eh, did those.

I haven't 1ccd any of the PC-98s besides LLS, PCB, MoF, UFO, or TD, not counting those in-between games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115197
Enjoy your week+ of suffering to 1cc it. That is if you don't kill yourself out of the rage stage 5 will cause you when you lose 5 lives to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115184
How is IN weird? Just because you have to play it twice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115214

See >>9115197
>The percentages, slave/master things, the fact that death bombs will solve all of your problems forever, etc. turned me off from IN pretty hard.

[Anonymous No.]

Make sure you are using Marisa and Patchy.

[Anonymous No.]

Once you get the hang of Orin, she's not that bad. Watch some replays of people who already know what they're doing, then do what they do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115224

Death bombs cost 2 bombs. That will not last you anywhere near forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115273
> When you get the hang of any boss, they're not that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115292
Tell that to Yamaxanadu or Byakuren or Yumemi or motherfucking Marisa in any games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115292

Some bosses remain hard, almost all of orin's cards however can be rendered piss easy through proper strategy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115258

I find switching between the two so awkward.

And then you have Marisa + Alice, where the unfocused shot is more focused than the focused shot.

Waddafuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Bitch don't steal my screencaps.

[Anonymous No.]

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21633
I think this is the right replay. It was my first 1CC, I barely died to Orin, from what I remember. You can watch it and see what I did to dodge her.

[Anonymous No.]

>That cat is frustrating as Hell.
>Finally beat that bloody cat
>WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>Face Okuu
>Die in less then 3 minutes

Fuck that, I'll just listen to the music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115304
> Byakuren
> Marisa
But they're easy as fuck. I bet you're one of those guys who thinks Byak is the hardest stage 6 boss, right?
As for Marisa. What. How are you having trouble with Marisa? She's easy in IN and GFW.

>>9115310
I don't quite follow. Give me some examples of bosses that remain hard after you've practiced them.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Touhou so hard
I just want to have fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>9114999

I believe we have the same ideals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115354
Those are the words of a casual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115354

Honestly, easy mode is too easy for me that it makes my mind fall asleep and consequently make mistakes, while normal mode keeps me on my toes but STILL makes me make mistakes, and consequently, i've never 1cc'd a 2hu game.

Such is life in Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Touhou so fun ?
I just want to have hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115359
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115336
I beat the shit out of every stage 6 bosses. Only Byakuren that i can't beat without losing a life.

Marisa is hard as fuck for a stage 4 boss in IN. That's why people keep saying stage 4 is more like stage 6. GFW is quite hard but SoEW Marisa is the real fucking monster. 3 continues are still not enough for her.

>>9115331
>Yamaxanadu extra
>Sakuya huge knives hitbox
>Marisa laser everywhere
>Aya fucking fast bullets
>Komachi coins everywhere
>Beat all of them losing 4 lives, think it's over
>Meet the shrinemaiden
>Die in 3 seconds

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115379
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115379
Stage 4 is generally harder than stage 6 in pretty much every touhou though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115304
>Yamaxanadu

Seriously, this boss is bullshit. The cause of many smashed controllers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9114999

well OP, you inspired me to try to 1cc SA

got to oku's last spell card, 1 life left, heard the thumping sound, and ate a solar flare bullet

i'm a little fucking upset right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115394
>controllers

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115456
You talkin' shit about my controllers, son?

[Anonymous No.]

Stop getting mad at video games. Don't get so frustrated and infuriated by them.

Take it easy.

In Touhou, you need to take it easy. Move less and do it slowly when possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115476
I beat my dakimakura when I'm angry

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115476

I don't usually get mad at video games. I have never screamed or thrown anything or broken anything or been violent about it all. I just poured it all into that angry post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115479
That's akin to beating your wife, Anon.
I'm disgusted.

Don't take your anger out on those around you or objects that bring you happiness.

I have lost all my lives on the last spellcards of Stage 6 bosses more times than I can count, but I don't get upset. I know that I need to practice harder and that I will indeed get better. Losing is to be expected, but it will give me more practice getting all the way to the end. If the other parts are easy, then you only need to topple one spellcard.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread got me watching the replay of my first 1cc of SA on Normal. It's pretty awful, but enjoyable to look back at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115164
>>9115168
>>9115183
Hey guys, look at all these people that have never played anything other than Normal!

[Anonymous No.]

I can only 1cc SA if I time-out all of Rin's spellcards...
They just become so much harder when you blow up the zombies

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115484
Well that's good.

Using non-physical ways to vent your anger is a start. But please try to avoid pushing all of your negative feelings onto /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115513
Wanna compare scores, faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115336
>I don't quite follow. Give me some examples of bosses that remain hard after you've practiced them.

Any boss that has a minimum of attacks that change where they're shooting based off of player location and therefor cannot be baited into making their attacks much easier will not become pathetically easy with a little practice. Completely random patterns that have to be taken on pure dodging skill instead of pattern recognition also do not get dramatically easier with practice.

So to answer your question, Shikieiki Yamaxanadu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115554
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115520
If you haven't realised yet, you can do her first nonspell focused (except the transition between waves). That's how I do it all the time. But you can't hug the bottom.
>>9115081
You're doing it wrong. Lure the zombies behind you

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115506
>>9115529
The only one time I consider the anger aimed towards a video game justifiable was in that one youtube video of the guy that played through UFO on Lunatic while the game was forced into 80 fps, making it faster.
He ran into a lingering bullet AFTER he beat Byakuren when he was out of lives. You know, when the spell card gets all slow before it clears.

His scream at the end perfectly intertwines a sense of extreme anger and a lose of hope in humanity.

Too bad he deleted the video, but luckily I saved the video because I had a feeling he would delete it. I knew I had to archive it for future amusement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115394
>>9115476
I get mad at some bosses like Okuu or Reimu but i never get mad at Yamaxanadu. Every times i see the wall of death and its bullets cramming the whole screen i just laugh it off. There's no way i can get pass that level of bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115571
mind sharing the video?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115571
It was 90 FPS. And he didn't delete it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p-NKrKEF9g

>His scream at the end perfectly intertwines a sense of extreme anger and a lose of hope in humanity.
That scream was actually taken from this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osf1fa4UhP4

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115592
Aw damn, I thought he deleted it.

Someone else told me that the scream was from another video, but I like to pretend it isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115605
>Someone else told me that the scream was from another video, but I like to pretend it isn't.
It's ok. He did the run on Livestream, where he had the microphone on and made even sillier noises when it happened.

Something along the lines of >PBLFFTHTBHTBSHTSTHSLFDSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115560
Well what game do you want to compare score from? UFO I assume?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115608
Oh man, I wish I could have been there to hear it.

Anyway, the mistake of 80 fps explains why I couldn't find it and thought it was deleted. The other video with the real scream is still satisfying though.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

I can post scores too can't I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9114999
Pfft, haha! You think SA is hard? Just wait till you get to UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115653
Sorry, fell asleep. UFO is fine. Name a difficulty and a shot type and I'll do a run, just for you.

>>9115658
I was looking for the clip on Naut's Livestream page, but it looks like that specific stream wasn't recorded. What a shame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9114999
Truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9116707
>Name a difficulty and a shot type and I'll do a run,
Marisa B Lunatic NFNMNBNUFO 120 FPS

[Anonymous No.]

>>9116789
>dot_asp left the room (Kicked by Underscore (>Marisa B Lunatic NFNMNBNUFO 120 FPS)).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115129>>9115135
Get out, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115368

This is a feeling I know too well. Although I did manage to scrape easy 1ccs on a few games, normal is still elusive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115273
> Watch some replays of people who already know what they're doing, then do what they do.
Cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115476
Trainers and slowmodes are way to go, by the way. Also additional lives&bombs, visible hitboxes and so on...

[Anonymous No.]

Whippersnappers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115554
Hi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117512
EASY LOL

[Anonymous No.]

I can't beat a single touhou game even with continues. Makes me depressed. STGs are seriously the hardest games ever made.

[Anonymous No.]

Yey! I am a genius! And a normalfaggot. This must be the happiest moment of my life. Thanks OP.

[Anonymous No.]

The only Touhou game I've ever beaten even with continues is PCB, but that was on my old computer that died and I haven't been able to repeat it.

I almost 1cc'd MoF with MarisaB but I died at the very last second. I can't even win when I cheat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117522
You're welcome to compete with my scores anytime, if you find my playing of easy somehow unacceptable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117522
I score well on Easy because I can't even score on anything above Normal, but I still need a way to wave my ego over the internet. Still, I take it easy, quite literally. xD

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117512
>EASY

Pffffffffhahahahahahahahaha

Why would you even post this?

[Anonymous No.]

Keep trying OP. SA is more about remembering patterns instead of actually being good at Touhou games. Yeah it's shitty, but it's considered the hardest one because it's so shitty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117851

>SA
>remembering patterns

guess we've got brain problems

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117851
Well said. UFO is a million times better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117851
>remembering patterns

In a game where 90% of the stuff you get shot with is shit flying around randomly in every direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>Give SA Stage 5 more attempts
>mfw after several tries I have never made it past the boss's first spell card, if I even reach her at all

I dislike this difficulty curve that's not so much a curve as it is a WALL. I'm improving a little, and I actually lasted long enough during the boss's spell card during one attempt to see what the pattern for it is, but that's the best I've done.

I've gotten better at the midboss's patterns, but whether I manage to make it through any of them or not still feels like luck. I know the strategies and execute them as best I can, but shit is just moving so fucking fast that I often die before I realize it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119031
alright here's the ultimate guide to SA.
You press X. When it's over, press X again. And so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119054

don't worry, he's playing marisa/alice

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119041

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119056
close.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kFS6u7MvvI

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119031
Ever play Dwarf Fortress?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119054
Reaction images, huh? Yeah, it sure seems to be summer.

[Anonymous No.]

I found Orin harder than Okuu. I liked her spell cards more though, Okuu's giant sun orbs were shitty, Orin's spell cards were fun to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119126

having bad taste must make things difficult

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119067

That's nothing like "press X. When it's over, press X again. And so on." at all.

>>9119071

Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119166
Then you do not know what a ``learning curve'' is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119168

What's with the grave accents? It seems like I'm seeing them everywhere for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9119181
People have finally read SICP.

[Anonymous No.]

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=14425

[Naut No.]

>>9115658
>>9116707
Livestream is apparently deleting recordings when they get so old (or maybe I have too many?). I would've saved it had I knew. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9117512
> Easy
>46fps

Best be trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115513
I practiced and practiced UFO on hard and came close to beating it on Hard, got to Byakuren's last couple of spell cards a few times, but I didn't manage it and eventually got distracted and will now have forgotten everything I learned.

[Anonymous No.]

For me, the problem with SA is stage 3.
Stage 5 is tough, but with a little bit of practice it's not a problem for me. Stage fucking 3. No matter what, I can't get it down. Even if I can consistently do it perfectly in practice mode, when I try to 1cc, I lose multiple lives from gay ass lazers and shit from Stage 3.

Fuck Yuugi. Worst boss fight, ugliest Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124651
Not only is Yuugi my favorite Touhou, but her stage is also my favorite, period.
It's actually the easiest SA stage for me. Probably because I played it so much, though.

I just consider the stage very reminiscent of her character. It's very fun and plays more like a friendly bout/test of strength than a "fuck off you stupid miko" kind of fight. She was excited to fight such a strong human and had fun with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115331

Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

OP here. I've temporarily given up on SA.

I'm gonna chake id eajy with Ten Desires, and then work through Undefined Fantastic Object and then back to SA.

I'm just sick of struggling with SA so much. I WILL beat it, but right now I'm just not having fun with it anymore.

I find it insanely funny how casual TD is compared to SA, though. Continues revive you right where you died, REACHING a stage unlocks it in Practice mode instead of having to beat it (not that beating them is hard), there's an option to practice against individual spell cards (wasn't that feature in one of the previous games too?), there's that whole super-mode-thing whenever you die, and certain things get unlocked for ALL characters the moment you unlock them for one.

It's nice to just... relax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124738
>It's nice to just... relax.
Yes it is. Just take it easy.

You need to relax and take breaks with Touhou or your skill will never improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124738
>Continues revive you right where you died
That happened in every Touhou game besides 10, 11, and 12.

>there's an option to practice against individual spell cards
Also existed in Imperishable Night. (if you ask me, all games should have this)

>certain things get unlocked for ALL characters the moment you unlock them for one.
Like what? I know that for the Extra Stage, you have to unlock it for each character individually.

I wouldn't call these features in TD "casual", I'd call them player-friendly. Yeah, the game is pretty easy, but it has lots of nice convenient features that most games SHOULD have, such as spell practice mode.

[Anonymous No.]

It took me a year and a half to gain skill at SA, do what you like.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeeeeah I'm gonna have to recommend against going though UFO on your way back to SA. It's much harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124778

>That happened in every Touhou game besides 10, 11, and 12.
I am aware. I'm just comparing SA to TD, and TD is wondrously player-friendly in comparison.

>Also existed in Imperishable Night. (if you ask me, all games should have this)
I agree. I really fucking wish it existed for MoF or SA. Kanako's last spell card absolutely destroyed me for far too long, and it was really hard to get any practice against it since it was the very last thing in the game. As for SA, I'd REALLY like some lengthy practice with dealing with THAT FUCKING CAT's bullshit, but eh. I'll beat it eventually.

>Like what? I know that for the Extra Stage, you have to unlock it for each character individually.
Spell cards. You just have to SEE a spell card, even if you've used continues, and that spell card will be unlocked for all characters in the spell practice mode.

>I wouldn't call these features in TD "casual", I'd call them player-friendly.
I agree, and I agree with the rest of what you said too. Still, depending upon your viewpoint, the same features could be called 'casual'. It's more rewarding to accomplish a challenge the more difficult a challenge is, and getting to easily practice all of the difficult bits can reduce that. Personally, though, I agree with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124837

That's arguable. See >>9115163, >>9115164, >>9115171, >>9115174, and >>9115187.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9115174
SA Hard/Lunatic has NOTHING on UFO Hard/Lunatic. Compare Parsee/Kogasa, compare Rin/Shou, compare Okuu/Byakuren etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124869
You also have to work for your infinite bombs in UFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124837
Scrub detected
Ignore the fags that say UFO is harder OP, I absolutely guarantee to you that it isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody that says SA is harder than UFO only plays on normal, and anyone who says the opposite plays on Hard/Lunatic. This is simply a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124869
In lunatic :
Rin is of a comparable difficulty to shou.
Stage 5 in SA is worlds harder than stage 5 in UFO
As for Kogasa/Parsee? I don't have trouble with either of them.

>>9124878
This whole post is just wrong. Most of my UFO runs I end up with max/almost max bombs after Murasa with Max/almost max lives.
UFO is baby mode if you memorize the UFO locations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124883
UFO is undoubtedly harder than SA, just >>9124869 's post is simple logic that it's harder.
That, and the fact that you have to actively work during the stages to gather correctly, fill and kill UFOs to build up the large majority of your resources makes almost all the stages of UFO a ton harder than SA.
Also, SA gives, contrary to belief, a lot of free bombs, granted not as much as MoF, but a noticeable amount.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124896

I'd be interested in seeing your SA Lunatic and UFO Lunatic replays, because you're either lying or some kind of incredible UFO savant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124907
You make it out like "filling and killing" UFOs is some sort of difficult task, when the vast majority of the time, it isn't.
They also serve as a pseudo bomb.
UFO is easier simply because you get so many resources, it doesn't matter if a few bosses are slightly harder when you're running around with near max lives/bombs throughout the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9124927
>UFO is easier simply because you get so many resources
Crimzon Clover Unlimited mode is easier than Simple mode because you get extends a lot more easily, you heard it here first

[Anonymous No.]

calm down you autist fucks
both games are hard...we get it

[Anonymous No.]

SA is harder on normal, UFO is harder on hard/lunatic

/argument

[Anonymous No.]

Collecting UFOs is no problem if you're not a ZUN games onry -babby.

[Anonymous No.]

whenever i watch a stream of a good lunatic player, heres what happens
in SA : they die and restart an AWFUL lot in stage 1
they barely ever make it past orin
UFO : success rate is much higher

im not gonna say sa is harder than ufo because of the streams that i watch, but thats generally how things go

[Anonymous No.]

>>9125029
Those same people that can't clear SA Lunatic would be failing by Stage 3 in UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9125944
sure is denial here, or maybe you can't read.
i've watched several good and well known touhou players streams, and they all suck at SA, but dominate UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126225
>i've watched several good and well known touhou players streams, and they all suck at SA, but dominate UFO.
Who, Riz and Naut? That's because all they play is UFO.

Try Heartbeam, dot_asp, or T.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126275

> Several good players
> Assumes I'm only watching Riz and Naut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126312
Give me some names, then. Either you're not watching several, or they're not good players.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126319
You've already done the naming for me. I watch others like cactu etc too though.
If you're still in denial, then ask one of them to 1cc SA lunatic on stream on their first try, I guarantee they'll fail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126399
>Heartbeam, dot_asp, T, or Naut
>Not 1ccing SA with full life stock
Haha what.

[Anonymous No.]

> Get riz to try 1cc SA to prove me wrong.
> Fail.

Denialfag status :

Not told : []
Told : []
Knights of the told republic : []
Stone told steve austin : [x]


Better look next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126498
>Implying I listed Riz as someone that I thought was a good player
>Implying I told Riz to play SA at all

http://www.livestream.com/Tplays

I'll start as soon as you join, hun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126457
>naut
>T
They was both in stream, and they could have tried proving me wrong earlier, now though? Too late, they're probably practicing SA now. inb4 they post a link to their stream in a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126519
Oh lawd, look who called it. See :
>>9126520


When you don't practice SA for 30 minutes before posting a link, then you can try prove me wrong, "hun".

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126527
I like the part where you think 30 minutes of practice has some sort of significant effect on your skill

[Anonymous No.]

SA is far more difficult than UFO.. isn't this common knowledge?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126531
I can do UFO lunatic on my first try. Every. Single. Time.
I can't however do SA on my first try without some prior warmup runs, and guess what, neither can you.
No need to get upset again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126527
You're funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126527
You're silly. I haven't played SA in over 10 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126845
Why do you keep deleting your post, then reposting?
Also sure thing, I totally believe you.

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

>>9126498
Are you guys really arguing over me?

Actually, the reason I failed was partly due to my lack of interest in the game, that I was fatigued, and that Livestream does not get along with SA at all. I can play SA quite well when I'm not streaming, even if it isn't my favorite game. Even if I did fail a 1cc, I don't think that I was playing that badly at all. I just didn't feel like playing at all. Also, it should be noted that I rarely play SA, and I don't think that my experience with UFO needs an introduction. Comparing my skill in SA to my skill in UFO to judge which game is harder isn't a very fair comparison. Anyone can be good at either game, all they have to do is practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127510
No, I'm not arguing over you.
I'm arguing that SA is far harder than UFO.

The only reason you got brought into this was because you tried 1ccing it on your first try in your stream.

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

>>9127641
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21660
I fixed my input problem and managed to do this while streaming. It also took only one try.(Not counting a few resets on stage 1) I now have 6/6 vanilla Lunatic runs.

Also, I can see how you might think that SA is harder than UFO. When I compare both games together, I can't help but think that UFO is still a little harder. Still, both games are quite challenging in my opinion, I just find that UFO has a lot more "you're just going to die" moments, and that it has harder spellcards and challenges in general. Still, opinions are opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own. Nobody is right or wrong.

I generally don't think in the context of "which game is harder". I think in the context of which is more fun, and I happen to love UFO the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127686
Well congrats on the 6/6, but..
>It also took only one try.(Not counting a few resets on stage 1)
That's not 1 run.
I can, and have done, multiple successful UFO runs on my first try because the UFO system is just so abuseable.
As for UFO being hard, the only hard thing about it is Shou, who is a bit harder than Orin.
UFO has an easier stage 5, and an easier stage 5 midboss.

SA's stage 1, stage 3, stage 4, stage 5, and stage 6 are all harder than UFOs. (Just talking about the stage portion, not the bosses.)

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

>>9127710
>That's not 1 run.
I have hundreds of hours on UFO Lunatic, and I still miss stage 1 regularly. Also, it could have been one run if I had decided to carry on.
>I can, and have done, multiple successful UFO runs on my first try because the UFO system is just so abuseable.
The same thing can be said for any game. Just because it gives a lot of resources, does not mean that it is easy.
>As for UFO being hard, the only hard thing about it is Shou, who is a bit harder than Orin.
You must be kidding.
>UFO has an easier stage 5, and an easier stage 5 midboss.
For the beginning portion of stage 5 for both games, UFO is definitely harder. SA has simple streaming, while UFO has a fairly intense dodging sequence. Both games have hard midbosses, and I think that UFO's doom fairies are harder than SA's post-midboss streaming sequence.
>SA's stage 1, stage 3, stage 4, stage 5, and stage 6 are all harder than UFOs. (Just talking about the stage portion, not the bosses.)
That is all going to depend a lot, and I don't think that there is a use in digesting every aspect of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127747
>Also, it could have been one run if I had decided to carry on.
Sure it "could of"...but it wasn't. That's like saying I could have avoided dying earlier on in SA if I pressed the bomb button.
> The same thing can be said for any game. Just because it gives a lot of resources, does not mean that it is easy.
Having almost max lives/bombs by stage 5 doesn't make a game easy? Could have fooled me.
>For the beginning portion of stage 5 for both games, UFO is definitely harder. SA has simple streaming, while UFO has a fairly intense dodging sequence. Both games have hard midbosses, and I think that UFO's doom fairies are harder than SA's post-midboss streaming sequence.
More like the start of both games stage 5 are fairly easy, and as for the midbosses? Nazrin is far easier. She has an easy non spell and a pretty damn hard spellcard. Orin midboss has 2 very clippy non spells and a hard spellcard.
Also I don't see how you could possibly think the post midboss fairies are anywhere near as hard as the popcorn streaming, you must be joking.
>That is all going to depend a lot, and I don't think that there is a use in digesting every aspect of the game.
But there is. That's how you determine which is the more difficult of the two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126543

Still waiting on your replays, hombre. Also, everyone making arguments based on secondhand, anecdotal evidence can stop now. One time I played all the windows games back to back on Normal, and I no-missed IN and SA and got misses on the rest. I guess IN and SA are the easiest games in the series on Normal, and are totally comparable in difficulty!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127818
Waiting on my replays for what? To show me going through SA/UFO? What is showing some random my replay going to accomplish? Are you going to deduce whether SA/UFO is harder based on a replay of me 1ccing the game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127846

No, I just think you're full of it. On the off-chance you aren't it'd be interesting to see what you find so difficult about SA and so easy about UFO.

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

>>9127798
>Sure it "could of"...but it wasn't.
I could have just for the matter that I could have afforded three more deaths and still cleared the game. One death anywhere in the game would not have cost me the clear.
>Having almost max lives/bombs by stage 5 doesn't make a game easy? Could have fooled me.
The same thing can be said for SA.
>Orin midboss has 2 very clippy non spells and a hard spellcard.
I don't think either of them are clippy, they are just fast. I think that Nazrin's nonspell is quite clippy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127907
Oh.
Well in that case, I guess I won't even bother wasting my time uploading them, since the only purpose to that would be satisfying your curiosity, which I honestly don't care about.
Feel free to spout how you don't believe I can 1cc either of the games though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127912
I understand that UFO is your pride and joy because you've completed a few challenges and spent alot of time on it, and thus feel the need to make it out to be harder than it actually is, to make it seem like what you have achieved is some godly act, but please, there's no need to be so blatantly bias towards the game. Second most difficult is still good too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127930

If you can't back up what you're claiming, then why try to use your claims as evidence? Outside of stage 1 which I would say is roughly equal between the two games, I find UFO harder across the board. Both stages and bosses. If you can't demonstrate yourself clearing UFO and maxing out your resources or whatever, and then failing to even clear SA, you're just wasting time. Personally I find it pretty hard to believe there's some anonymous person out there who can 1cc the hardest game on Lunatic but has never been seen before in any community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128041
> Personally I find it pretty hard to believe there's some anonymous person out there who can 1cc the hardest game on Lunatic but has never been seen before in any community.
Oh god my sides, this line right here...
Are you really implying that 1ccing ANY of the Touhou games on lunatic is a note worthy task? There would be an awful lot of touhou internet celebrities if this was the case, though I'm 90% sure you're trolling now. If you aren't however, then I feel bad for you...you've basically just revealed that your a normal/easy mode player who still thinks hard and lunatic are impossible, and only beatable by those blessed by the gods.

> Outside of stage 1 which I would say is roughly equal between the two games
SA stage 1 is without a doubt harder than UFO stage 1. Even ask Riz, who loves UFO...I'm sure he's not THAT bias for UFO that he would try deny blatantly obvious truths.

> I find UFO harder across the board. Both stages and bosses.
How are you finding the stages harder when you have UFOs bombing the screen constantly?
How do you find UFO stage 6 (which is basically no threat, unless you haven't practiced nueball a few times) harder than SA stage 6?
Oh wait, yeh you're a normal mode player, of course.

> If you can't demonstrate yourself clearing UFO and maxing out your resources or whatever, and then failing to even clear SA

What. I don't understand what you're saying here...You want me to show a replay of beating UFO....and then a replay of me failing to clear SA?
What the fuck.
I can beat both games....I never said I can't beat SA. I said it's more difficult. More of my SA runs end in failure than my UFO runs...and I barely even play either of them anymore, since they're both among my least favorite of the series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128112

OK, cool. If you can't prove you are what you say you are, I don't see why anyone should pay attention to your opinions. Don't speak as an authority if you can't show that you are, in fact, an authority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128162
I'll go ahead and take that as a sign that you can't think of anything to say to prove me wrong.
Now I'm gonna go asleep, so you can feel free to get the last word in if it pleases you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9127846
>>9127930
I don't know, but I would like to see some replays so I can try to recognize some of your strengths and weaknesses within the two games to help better understand your position. UFO tends to be more fast and sparse, where a lot of SA's difficulty comes from slow and dense. It sounds like you have more experience with other STGs, which tend to focus more on the former than the latter.

>>9126953
>Also sure thing, I totally believe you.
Oh well, at least I tried. You could show me your replays, but I could similarly claim that you used savestates or something else silly to discredit you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9120426
The fps drops when I take a screenshot. I have the replay file if you want to see it.

Also, I'd say that I worked more to gain that score than to clear some of the games on lunatic.

[Anonymous No.]

I guess people who don't know what streaming is could find SA harder than UFO... But otherwise, lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128398
Hey, I made that image when I used to go to /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128492
Streaming is for faggots, I download all my shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey /jp/ just a question, how do you make your 2hu go faster?

And by that I mean, how do you get it to run in 90fps for example?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128687
vpatch

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128693
Ah, I see.
I never bothered with the patches so that's why I didn't know.

[Anonymous No.]

On SA I've seen some videos of people who are at the bottom of the screen and the red//blue boxes are "pulled" to him as if he were at the very top.

How is that? Is there a command to do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128743

Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128738
Auto collecting by grazing. It's the bottom left bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128738

Graze bullets to fill meter, full meter autocollects items.

[Anonymous No.]

I've seen someone teleport from far left to far right

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128759

How do I use it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128755

That's Yukari's support special ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128760

Don't press any buttons (shot/focus/bomb) and I think double tap in the direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128766

neat, will try. Thanks
Anywhere to check all these little things I wouldn't normally know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128774

The touhou wiki would be a good start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128779

Not the wikia one, by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128748
>>9128743

What are "graze bullets"?

>>9128779

Couldn't find anything there like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128785

There's limited info on the strategy subpage, but the character selection screen (ingame) details all the support skills.

>>9128785

Bullets that pass your character sprite, but not hitbox. If you're new to touhou I'd really suggest something other than SA, it's one of the very hardest ones.

[None !yFBymieBk2 No.]

But Orin is kawaii.
You must dakishimete her.

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw I can only 1cc EoSD
>mfw only with Marissa

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128867

Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128867
>mfw
>greentext
>Marissa
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.]

>implying greentext for quoting

[Anonymous No.]

>>9128872
My face, isn't it evident.

>>9128875
The rules said to come here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9126399
I know Cactu, and he does agree that UFO is harder than SA. I'll call him and tell him to come post if you want it so bad.

Also, come on, your trolling sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

lelz, sa is the only 2hu I have lunatic 1ccd

[Anonymous No.]

What did you expect? She is a Nekomimi from hell. Tough shit indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9129656
think you need to reread what he wrote buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>9129656
What a moron. Take >>9129939 his advice

>>9128386
You are indeed correct in saying I have experience with other shmups.

>>9128492
I guess people who don't know how to abuse UFOs could think UFO is harder than SA but otherwise....lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>9130570
Are you the one who says you can clear Lunatic UFO whenever? I'm intrigued, what are your handle in the uploader? I'd like to watch a survival route by you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9130570
>I guess people who don't know how to abuse UFOs could think UFO is harder than SA but otherwise....lol
I would argue that making use of SA's near infinite bombs is much easier than constructing a good UFO route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9132180
> Infinite bombs.
Ignorance sure is bliss, eh?

Also if you're too much of an idiot to construct your own UFO route, then go mimic someone elses.
Tada, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9132624
>Ignorance sure is bliss, eh?
I don't know what you're implying. Are you saying SA doesn't throw 60+ bombs at you?

>Also if you're too much of an idiot to construct your own UFO route, then go mimic someone elses.
If you're too much of an idiot to stream some bullets without getting suck, then press X.
Tada, problem solved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9114999
are you proud? You made the worst touhou thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Christ, don't douche the place up for another whole day

[Anonymous No.]

>>9133976
>I don't know what you're implying. Are you saying SA doesn't throw 60+ bombs at you?
Yes that is what I'm saying. You seem to be getting SA and MoF confused.
You can bomb just as much in UFO as you can in SA, not to mention every UFO kill is pretty much a bomb too.

>If you're too much of an idiot to stream some bullets without getting suck, then press X.
....Same can be said for UFO?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9135066
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=18057

Just fuck off already, or start giving us some replays. Or come to discuss about it on IRC or something. I'm tired of your posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9135123
I'm sorry, does the truth hurt that bad that you're wanting to ignore it?
I'm not the one being difficult and refusing to listen to reason here.
SA is the most difficult game in the series, That is a fact. Only recently have you hipsters crawled out from under a rock claiming UFO to be something that it isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9135123
> easy
why are you posting this?

[Anonymous No.]

-Forming or mimicking a route is much harder than auto collect (power) items. Grazing while streaming is relaxing compared to chasing UFOs through bullet hell.
-Most of complaints I've seen about UFOs are about picking up tokens at the right time.
-Bosses don't give free bombs and much less extends in UFO.
-Stage portions don't give free bombs from bombing either.
-Strategic bullet clear from summoning an UFO is a rare situation. Not similar to Mushihimesama as you have to actively chase a UFO, and it's a risky situation.

>I'm sorry, does the truth hurt that bad that you're wanting to ignore it?
Throw enough lies and it suddenly become a truth.

>SA is the most difficult game in the series, That is a fact.
Opinion is not a fact.

>Only recently have you hipsters crawled out from under a rock claiming UFO to be something that it isn't.
This Touhou series difficulty discussion has been done to death in /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9135420
>-Forming or mimicking a route is much harder than auto collect (power) items. Grazing while streaming is relaxing compared to chasing UFOs through bullet hell.
> Yeah nah, stop making it out that collecting UFO's is some ridiculously hard task. It isn't. It's the exact opposite actually. Maybe if you stopped panicking and waited for a safer time to do it, then you would possibly wisen up and see that it is infact quite easy.
>-Most of complaints I've seen about UFOs are about picking up tokens at the right time.
Most people suck. This is yet another problem that planning a good route can fix.
>-Bosses don't give free bombs and much less extends in UFO.
Good thing you get so many bombs from the stage portion that this becomes trivial.
Bosses in SA are harder, with only a few exceptions.
>-Stage portions don't give free bombs from bombing either.
What are you talking about? Of course they do you moron.
It's called collecting green/red UFOs.
>-Strategic bullet clear from summoning an UFO is a rare situation. Not similar to Mushihimesama as you have to actively chase a UFO, and it's a risky situation.
No it isn't rare at all. You have a piss poor route if you aren't using UFO screen clearing to your advantage.

One other thing SA does is not throw life pieces at you during the stage portion. Let's face it, you can get 6-7 (can't recall the exact number, haven't played in months) lives by the end of stage 2 on UFO, and guess what, each life is also 2 extra bombs. So unless you're acting like an idiot and not bombing, then you have a plethora of lives and bombs at your disposal at all times.

And finally...
> This Touhou series difficulty discussion has been done to death in /jp/.
Yes it has, and up until recently SA has been considered the most difficult . As it should be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9135701
>Yeah nah, stop making it out that collecting UFO's is some ridiculously hard task. It isn't. It's the exact opposite actually. Maybe if you stopped panicking and waited for a safer time to do it, then you would possibly wisen up and see that it is infact quite easy.
Harder than auto collect bombs which doesn't need any planning at all.

>Most people suck. This is yet another problem that planning a good route can fix.
Who are you, some kind of western unknown super player? Planning a route, making UFO changes into a color that you want is not a trivial task, even if you have watched replays a lot of times. Or at least, a little harder than planning bomb timing in SA.

>It's called collecting green/red UFOs.
In SA, many parts such as, stage 3 yin yang lasers, stage 4 first Orin cat, post Orin cat uring the streaming, death fairies, stage 5 the central rotating yin-yang with spirits from sideways etc give you >1.00 power from just destroying enemies, a net gain even if you bomb. And bombing will destroy enemies effectively, while enjoying your invincibility, absolutely 100% risk free. That's what I call free bombs.

For comparison, in UFO, to get resources safely, you will need 2 bombs to do that. One is to grab UFO tokens safely, one to kill the enemies or finish off the UFO. Green UFO only gives you 1 bomb and 1/3 bomb fragment, red UFO gives you 2/4 live fragments (1 bomb equivalent). So there's a net loss of resource.

Also on 'free bombs', no one can get a risk free bomb in UFO without planning and spending effort on it. That is not free. Yet in SA someone could just blind run the game, press x on parts that I've mentioned, and still get another bomb.

[Anonymous No.]

>No it isn't rare at all. You have a piss poor route if you aren't using UFO screen clearing to your advantage.
Okay I use UFO clearing screen tech a couple of times, namely :
-Stage 3 second yin-yang clusterfuck.
-Stage 4 first UFO.
-Stage 5 post Nazrin big fairies.
I am also fine 100% surviving without those bullet clear, just because scoring requires me to have more mobility to grab tokens, destroy enemies, etc.
Also, in order to do those, I calibrated the timing about 5-6 times before I nailed the most juicy bullet clear.


>One other thing SA does is not throw life pieces at you during the stage portion. Let's face it, you can get 6-7 (can't recall the exact number, haven't played in months) lives by the end of stage 2 on UFO, and guess what, each life is also 2 extra bombs
The game won't throw lives without a good plan, yet SA still rewards you when you blind run the game, bombing everything, and being lucky or generally skilled while dodging boss.

I still don't know who you are. Claiming you can mimic things, with implied effortless, must be a hell of player. Or lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9135157
>SA is the most difficult game in the series, That is a fact.
>That is a fact.
>a fact.
Opinions != facts. I think you need to look into a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>For comparison, in UFO, to get resources safely, you will need 2 bombs to do that. One is to grab UFO tokens safely, one to kill the enemies or finish off the UFO. Green UFO only gives you 1 bomb and 1/3 bomb fragment, red UFO gives you 2/4 live fragments (1 bomb equivalent). So there's a net loss of resource.
>you will need 2 bombs to do that.
>need
No you don't "need" to use 2 bombs to gather UFOs. Why would you ever do that, I can't think of a single area where that is a requirement.
I can see 1 bomb for certain parts, but not two, that's just flat out poor play.
>In SA, many parts such as, stage 3 yin yang lasers, stage 4 first Orin cat, post Orin cat uring the streaming, death fairies, stage 5 the central rotating yin-yang with spirits from sideways etc give you >1.00 power from just destroying enemies, a net gain even if you bomb. And bombing will destroy enemies effectively, while enjoying your invincibility, absolutely 100% risk free. That's what I call free bombs.
You're forgetting UFO has a similar thing. Namely UFOs CLEARING THE SCREEN everytime you kill them, sure it might not kill the enemies, but considering the amount of times you collect UFOs throughout the game, I'd certainly say that's more of a casual-friendly system than the 5 or so free bomb areas that SA has.

[Anonymous No.]

Also it's getting tiring hearing you say you can bomb everything in SA. Bombing takes power, less power equals slower kills, slower kills equals more dodging, more dodging equals more chance of dying or being forced to bomb again, which will leave you even more worse off for the next attacks.
Also, making a few mistakes on UFOs bosses isn't a problem. There is no penalty that's any different from the other games. Fucking up on a boss in SA however will rob you of a life piece.
> Planning a route, making UFO changes into a color that you want is not a trivial task, even if you have watched replays a lot of times.
I disagree. I feel it is an easy task, and literally can't understand what you find so difficult about it.

>Who are you, some kind of western unknown super player?
>I still don't know who you are. Claiming you can mimic things, with implied effortless, must be a hell of player. Or lying.

Apparently being decent at UFO makes you a super player. This is news to me.
Well no, I certainly don't consider myself to be anything special at the games, especially now considering I haven't played either of the games for a while. However I don't see how any of that would invalidate my points.

[Anonymous No.]

Are you Gus by any chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9135157
>Only recently have you hipsters crawled out from under a rock claiming UFO to be something that it isn't.
I've been saying it since UFO was released. Everybody I know has been saying it since UFO was released. I could find posts on /jp/ in archives saying it for years. What.

>>9135701
>up until recently SA has been considered the most difficult .
On Normal, maybe, which is what most people talk about because, as you said, they suck. I still don't know of anyone other than you that thinks UFO Lunatic is easier than SA Lunatic.

>>9137114
>Also it's getting tiring hearing you say you can bomb everything in SA.
Did you not see the replay linked above that has over 150 bombs?

>Also, making a few mistakes on UFOs bosses isn't a problem.
Losing 0.93 power during bosses that drop hardly any isn't a problem?
>There is no penalty that's any different from the other games.
Except that it's much more unforgiving than any game before it. EoSD-IN would let you regain full power after a single spell. MoF and SA would take anywhere from 1 to 3. UFO requires 4+ for stages 1-4, ~3 for stage 5, and only Byakuren has a couple attacks that drop a lot of power.

>I feel it is an easy task, and literally can't understand what you find so difficult about it.
Similarly, I don't understand what you find to be difficult about STREAM BOMB STREAM ~The Video Game~.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137357
> I've been saying it since UFO was released. Everybody I know has been saying it since UFO was released. I could find posts on /jp/ in archives saying it for years. What.
You must not know that many people then. You can find posts, sure, but the vast majority of people a while back considered SA to be the more difficult of the two.

>I still don't know of anyone other than you that thinks UFO Lunatic is easier than SA Lunatic.
Again, referring to what I said before, you must not know many people.
I talk to a plethora of people who firmly believe that SA lunatic is the most difficult in the series.

>Did you not see the replay linked above that has over 150 bombs?
Did you not see it was easy mode? Did you not see it was with MarisaA who gets near enough double the value for power items, and has 8 bomb spaces...but guess what, her bombs are terrible anyway, they don't last anywhere near as long as any of the other bombs.
So the replay is worthless. What was you trying to prove again?

>Losing 0.93 power during bosses that drop hardly any isn't a problem?
Not really no. Compare that to losing a life piece and it's almost laughable.
>Except that it's much more unforgiving than any game before it. EoSD-IN would let you regain full power after a single spell. MoF and SA would take anywhere from 1 to 3. UFO requires 4+ for stages 1-4, ~3 for stage 5, and only Byakuren has a couple attacks that drop a lot of power.
Again, wrong. Losing a bit of power does not compare to losing a life piece. Period.

>Similarly, I don't understand what you find to be difficult about STREAM BOMB STREAM ~The Video Game~.

Stream bomb stream that everyone fails to do without a fuck ton of restarts when playing live.
Yet watch them play through UFO and beat Byakuren with 3+ lives to spare everytime.
Funny how that works, eh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137571
>No proof whatsoever, nothing but meaningless words

Back up your claims. UFO faggot has been giving you proof (that you just ignore or claim doesn't have relevance even though it clearly does), yet you still haven't provided any evidence in your favor yet.

Nothing but meaningless words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137571
>You must not know that many people then. You can find posts, sure, but the vast majority of people a while back considered SA to be the more difficult of the two.
>I talk to a plethora of people who firmly believe that SA lunatic is the most difficult in the series.
I co-own an IRC channel that has the highest concentration of western Touhou scoring players. I don't think any of them think SA Lunatic is harder than UFO Lunatic. Unless you start pointing me to these groups of people that disagree with that, I'm unconvinced.

>Did you not see it was easy mode?
For demonstration purposes, but the same would apply on Lunatic.

>Did you not see it was with MarisaA who gets near enough double the value for power items, and has 8 bomb spaces...but guess what, her bombs are terrible anyway, they don't last anywhere near as long as any of the other bombs.
MarisaB's bomb in UFO is terribly short too, so what. Repeat the process with ReimuA in SA if you want and get maybe half the bombs. 75+ is still obscene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137769
>Losing a bit of power does not compare to losing a life piece. Period.
This might be true. I can't really compare losing power to losing life pieces, since I haven't worried about survival in Touhou games for a long time. Whether or not losing 1.2 lives or losing 1 life and 1 power is worse might end up depending on the person. I won't take a stance either way, but I will disagree that they're not comparable.

>Stream bomb stream that everyone fails to do without a fuck ton of restarts when playing live.
I played live without any practice for literally over 10 months, but you didn't believe me. Oh well. Also, SA has a disproportionately difficult Stage 1, so I wouldn't be surprised to see people restarting due to making "embarrassing mistakes".
>Yet watch them play through UFO and beat Byakuren with 3+ lives to spare everytime.
I'm going to have to throw back your own argument. You must not watch many people stream. The last time I brought this up, the only evidence you brought up were Riz and Cactu, who both play UFO much more than SA, and they are both not great players to me. I'll mention them again: Heartbeam, dot_asp, T, and Naut. Try to at least match me in list size, and then we'll start allowing anecdotal evidence.

I would like to again bring up the fact that people have different weaknesses. You have experience with other STGs, so UFO may be more comfortable for you. SA is very... Touhou-like in comparison, so many Touhou players don't have any problems with it. I would still like to see you play so I can better understand your strengths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137633
> UFO faggot has been giving you proof
What proof would that be? Kindly quote it for me, because all I've read from him has been terrible opinions that I can easily disregard, though I've been nice and have actually took my time addressing them.

No need to get upset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137571
> You can find posts, sure, but the vast majority of people a while back considered SA to be the more difficult of the two.
He just said the exact opposite. If you want to use that argument, you need a citation.
>I talk to a plethora of people who firmly believe that SA lunatic is the most difficult in the series.
Name them and their achievements.
>So the replay is worthless.
Because he clearly said that everyone playing SA would use 151 bombs in each run, and that everyone plays MarisaA on Easy mode? >>The point is you can use a lot of bombs in SA.<<
>Stream bomb stream that everyone fails to do without a fuck ton of restarts when playing live.
You really need a citation for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137773
Are you suggesting the number of bombs Marisa A can fire during the course of a SA run is an opinion?

Consider your words before you make posts, I beg you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137769

> I co-own an IRC channel that has the highest concentration of western Touhou scoring players. I don't think any of them think SA Lunatic is harder than UFO Lunatic. Unless you start pointing me to these groups of people that disagree with that, I'm unconvinced.

Sure, I "could" tell you which groups I'm apart of, but that isn't going to happen, not on here anyway. I'd rather not have people from jp flocking to them and shitting them up.

> For demonstration purposes, but the same would apply on Lunatic.
You don't honestly believe that right? You've been arguing with me about how "hard" collecting UFO's are...but now you turn around and say this? Do you realize how stupid you sound?
Here, I'll even give you an example. Imagine me showing you a replay of someone playing UFO on easy, and him collecting every single UFO with no problems at all.
Then imagine me saying "the same would apply to lunatic". Do you see how ridiculous this is? The guy in the replay gets every single power item pretty much, you cannot do that in SA without some serious risk EVEN with the graze gathering and POC.
Also don't try make out that getting every single green UFO in the game wouldn't give you an awful lot of bombs too, you'd be surprised just how many you could acquire.

>MarisaB's bomb in UFO is terribly short too, so what. Repeat the process with ReimuA in SA if you want and get maybe half the bombs. 75+ is still obscene.

Again, he was on easy mode and he collected every single power item. On lunatic that would not be such a simple task.
I'd ask for a replay of a lunatic player doing the same thing, but I'm more than aware that that would be unfair, considering I haven't gave you one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137904
>Sure, I "could" tell you which groups I'm apart of, but that isn't going to happen
Just shut the fuck up already.

[Anonymous No.]

The number of bombs you get hardly defines the difficulty of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

> I played live without any practice for literally over 10 months, but you didn't believe me. Oh well. Also, SA has a disproportionately difficult Stage 1, so I wouldn't be surprised to see people restarting due to making "embarrassing mistakes"

I would have been more inclined to believe you had you not waited a good 30+ minutes to decide to stream.

> I'm going to have to throw back your own argument. You must not watch many people stream. The last time I brought this up, the only evidence you brought up were Riz and Cactu, who both play UFO much more than SA, and they are both not great players to me. I'll mention them again: Heartbeam, dot_asp, T, and Naut. Try to at least match me in list size, and then we'll start allowing anecdotal evidence.

No I never, I said you had gave some of the names yourself. What is this? I can't name any of the people you've already named or something?

> I would like to again bring up the fact that people have different weaknesses. You have experience with other STGs, so UFO may be more comfortable for you. SA is very... Touhou-like in comparison, so many Touhou players don't have any problems with it. I would still like to see you play so I can better understand your strengths.

Perhaps I'll have to livestream at some point, just to prove myself, because showing a replay is out of the question right now, for multiple reasons.

>>9137823

Are you suggesting I should pay any attention to an easymode run that would play out completely different were it lunatic difficulty?

> Consider your words before you make posts
I think you should take your own advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137904
>Sure, I "could" tell you which groups I'm apart of, but that isn't going to happen, not on here anyway. I'd rather not have people from jp flocking to them and shitting them up.
I guess I can't control what other people do. Unless you're also referring to me. Rude.

>You've been arguing with me about how "hard" collecting UFO's are...
Actually, I haven't. The only time I mentioned UFO collection was to say that it's more difficult than pressing X.

>The guy in the replay gets every single power item pretty much, you cannot do that in SA without some serious risk EVEN with the graze gathering and POC.
I didn't watch the replay, but I doubt there are that many maneuvers that would require serious heroics on Lunatic. You WILL get all power items dropped from bosses. From Normal onward, you'd have to be TRYING for you to not have full communications gauge during the stages.

>Also don't try make out that getting every single green UFO in the game wouldn't give you an awful lot of bombs too, you'd be surprised just how many you could acquire.
Yes, it would be comparable, actually, especially when you compare how strong UFO's bombs are compared to SA's. The difference is that you would still get more bombs in SA while also being able to collect lives.

>I'd ask for a replay of a lunatic player doing the same thing, but I'm more than aware that that would be unfair, considering I haven't gave you one.
I'd make one for you right now if I didn't have a job to get to tomorrow morning. If you're willing to wait, I'll play on Friday, Saturday at the latest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9137983
>I would have been more inclined to believe you had you not waited a good 30+ minutes to decide to stream.
I was watching Riz's stream (as you saw and acknowledged). Only once he failed (which didn't surprise me) did I decide to start up my own.

>What is this? I can't name any of the people you've already named or something?
Well, yeah, kinda, since they're all very easily capable of 1ccing SA Lunatic with multiple lives remaining without any practice beforehand. I could gather all of these people to prove it, but you'll just disregard it since there is no way to prove that they didn't practice multiple times beforehand.

>Perhaps I'll have to livestream at some point, just to prove myself, because showing a replay is out of the question right now, for multiple reasons.
I would like that. Really. I'm not trying to be your enemy. I'm just happy to find more people that can actually play the goddamn games.

[Anonymous No.]

>UFO/SA is the hardest touhou
People should remember there are SoEW, PoDD, PoFV, StB and GFW

[Anonymous No.]

Breaking the "I don't want to make a replay for you" barrier. Okay so, I can count the number of times I've 1cc'd SA on my hand. Really I'm quite better than this replay, but this is the result of purposefully lazy playing with bombs in random difficult places. Many bombs in places where it wasn't needed, many deaths in places that I wasn't accounting for due to said lazy playing. Even still, I managed up to Heaven and Hell, and if I was more serious about the run or wanted to try again after this I'd wager I would clear.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21687

UFO's difficulties stem from likely being the most difficult Touhou game danmaku-wise, having clear discouragement from staying at the bottom of the screen, lots of moving through danmaku-riddled clouds, and still needing to concentrate on things other than the danmaku to get resources. On the other hand, the UFO system itself is pretty lenient and if you aren't killing yourself for UFOs then you can get a decent amount of resources. However, you generally have to memorize UFO routes to get that decent amount.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138468 cont.
SA on the other hand gets its difficulty from a large amount of memorization and basically having its whole survival system based on power and bombing things. You get power, you bomb, but then your power diminishes (at a more significant ratio than UFO). If you aren't getting a decent amount of power back then you can easily suck yourself dry and die from being marauded. However, bombing is greatly encouraged in boss fights because as long as you don't die you get a life piece. You don't concentrate on anything but the danmaku in order to get lives.

With 4 power, even if you bomb once on each pattern and clear one attack without, you come out even. Chances are, you're going to allocate slightly more resources to difficult attacks and you won't need any help for easier attacks, and on top of that you're getting more power throughout the fight, often enough for an extra bomb. If you can wade your way through the stages without getting outright slaughtered, you should well be able to 1cc.

I mean, they're both clearly the top two most difficult games on Lunatic, but they're hard for different reasons. I affirm that UFO is more difficult, but can easily see why one person might find it easier. This doesn't mean that Anon can argue without anything to back him up. All you've done so far is claim things; making comments on the systems and claim one is easier, claim other invisible people agree with you despite a real large group of people disagreeing with you... Oddest of all, saying that you don't understand why people find UFO harder. It isn't fact, it isn't even opinion, it's ignorance. I thank you for being polite, but you're also being a passive-aggressive douchebag while continuously arguing with little support and just claiming you have the higher ground. It's gotten ridiculous, I'm not sure why you're sticking your feet so firm in the mud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138467
>SoEW, PoDD
Generally people are talking about the Windows Touhou games. I will not disagree that PoDD is harder than UFO.

>PoFV
Very easily cheesed.

>StB
Difficult to compare because the gameplay is too different.

>GFW
Disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138507
>PoFV
There is Yamaxanadu with insane moving algorithm who can't die becore 4 minutes. If you use Marisa/Medicine/Aya/Yuuka, you can have a better chance of 1cc but with other character like Cirno, Tewi or Lyrica, it's not anywhere easier than UFO.

>GFW
Maybe it's my opinion but GFW doesn't give you as many bombs or lives as other games and the spellcard patterns are much harder then SA. Even with Cirno's ice, GFW's faster and denser bullets are harder than UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138538
PoFV: Deliberately choosing characters that the AI shits on isn't equivalent to saying the game is harder, just as picking Aya isn't equivalent to saying it's easy. PoFV is hard, but a 1cc takes less practice than it does perseverance and luck.

GFW: The patterns are harder than UFO for sure, but they get to the point of impossibility and the freezing system is why it's allowed. It's a bit like if you were chaining UFO clears throughout the whole game every couple of seconds. Plus, it's only three stages. It is a very difficult game, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138538
>GFW doesn't give you as many bombs or lives as other games

Try playing the game correctly.
It gives you a fuckton of lives and bombs, more than any other Touhou game. Well maybe except for UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

People really struggle with PoFV?
It's the only game I can beat on Lunatic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138594
Can you 1cc it on Lunatic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138477
>>9138468

Good post for the most part.
Just a few things...

> This doesn't mean that Anon can argue without anything to back him up.
But I can, and I am. Nobody has to listen. Infact, I couldn't care less if nobody did and the thread died, I'm just killing time whilst talking to the people I'm in those groups I mentioned.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not trolling.

> All you've done so far is claim things; making comments on the systems and claim one is easier, claim other invisible people agree with you despite a real large group of people disagreeing with you.

As have the people who are disagreeing with me.
Oh and as for there being a "large" amount of people disagreeing with me? They're 3 or 4 people from Riz's stream actually, all friends, so of course they're going to be backing each others posts up. Maybe you're from the stream too, who knows.

> Oddest of all, saying that you don't understand why people find UFO harder. It isn't fact, it isn't even opinion, it's ignorance.

How exactly is it ignorance? Care to explain?

Also you really should have posted a UFO run to go with that SA one. That is if you could do it fairly without game overing on stage 3 or something ridiculous like that.

Oh and one last thing actually

> Really I'm quite better than this replay, but this is the result of purposefully lazy playing with bombs in random difficult places. Many bombs in places where it wasn't needed, many deaths in places that I wasn't accounting for due to said lazy playing. Even still, I managed up to Heaven and Hell, and if I was more serious about the run or wanted to try again after this I'd wager I would clear.

I just flat out don't believe you was being "purposefully lazy".
Sorry, but it makes no sense. You obviously done the run to try prove me wrong, so I imagine you'd be playing semi-seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

> I guess I can't control what other people do. Unless you're also referring to me. Rude.

I was not referring to you, I'm mostly talking about the people posting their "witty" one liners.

> Actually, I haven't. The only time I mentioned UFO collection was to say that it's more difficult than pressing X.

You'll have to forgive me then, I'm talking to like 2-3 of yous.

> I didn't watch the replay, but I doubt there are that many maneuvers that would require serious heroics on Lunatic. You WILL get all power items dropped from bosses. From Normal onward, you'd have to be TRYING for you to not have full communications gauge during the stages.

No use in me arguing about this, I'll wait for your replay.

> I would like that. Really. I'm not trying to be your enemy. I'm just happy to find more people that can actually play the goddamn games.

Well I'll have to see what I can do.

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

>>9138651
>They're 3 or 4 people from Riz's stream actually, all friends, so of course they're going to be backing each others posts up.
I only know one other person in this thread, and neither of us asked to be backed up. I don't know or control everyone that watches my stream. The reason that you are getting such opposition is because we legitimately believe that UFO is harder than SA. I believe that SA has a harder Easy/Normal, but that UFO has a harder Hard/Lunatic. I also think that SA Extra is harder than UFO Extra. This seems to be the opinion that the vast majority of Touhou players I know believe.
>>9138713
>I was not referring to you, I'm mostly talking about the people posting their "witty" one liners.
You can come discuss this on IRC if you wish. #pofv @ irc.rizon.net

[Anonymous No.]

> I only know one other person in this thread, and neither of us asked to be backed up.

There's at least one other from the stream, I know that much. Also I never said yous asked to back each other up. However that doesn't mean that it's not happening, friends usually do that without needing to be asked.

>You can come discuss this on IRC if you wish. #pofv @ irc.rizon.net

I'll come in tomorrow perhaps. Going to bed now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138608
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

SA is far and away the easiest normal mode, for me. Once you know the patterns and how the dodge them, the execution is much easier and forgiving than previous games. It's just more confusing to figure out at first...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9139408
0/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138651
>But I can, and I am. Nobody has to listen. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not trolling.
I don't believe you're trolling, but it is pretty annoying as fuck that you keep arguing this with only your personal accounts. Defending yourself with essentially "nobody has to read my posts" is an incredibly blockheaded excuse for your own blockheadedness.

>As have the people who are disagreeing with me.
Sigh, I suppose. Being an anonymous imageboard it's pretty goddamn futile to say "lol everyone agrees with me", but seriously I have zero clue where you're getting your "other people" from; at least the people here obviously exist. If you have people that agree with you yet the people here (apparently you can tell that they're all Riz's buddies) are disagreeing, then in your eyes it should even out. In my eyes you have little support, however.
I'm also not "from Riz's stream" either, and even if I watched his streams I would reject that labeling, because it's loaded language. Being his buddy has nothing to do with me agreeing with him, and frankly it would be stupid to support each other so blindly. That goes the same for your buddies, too.

>How exactly is it ignorance? Care to explain?
Arguing that SA is more difficult than UFO is not ignorance, first of all. It's that you seem to be holding yourself to your opinions so much that you cannot fathom why other people might think UFO is more difficult. Not being able to understand the position of other people in an argument, is ignorance. On the other hand, of course I can see why you and your buddies would think that SA is harder, for reasons I stated in my previous post. They're hard for different reasons and some people might find one tenet more of a roadblock than another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9142704 cont.
>Also you really should have posted a UFO run to go with that SA one. That is if you could do it fairly without game overing on stage 3 or something ridiculous like that.
I've 1cc'ed UFO all of once, but could probably do it again given some perseverance. I've played UFO far more than I've played SA and yet can 1cc much more easily in SA. But given I can clear both, showing my best on both games doesn't exactly prove much. The point of the replay wasn't to contrast, it was to show SA's caveat. My word that I can't clear UFO as easily after a replay showing how easy SA is, should be all that's necessary. What exactly would you want in a UFO replay?

>I just flat out don't believe you was being "purposefully lazy". Sorry, but it makes no sense. You obviously done the run to try prove me wrong, so I imagine you'd be playing semi-seriously.
The opposite, actually. I guess you could say I was playing semi-seriously in that I was attempting to show blatant bomb abuse, but if I played as well as I usually do then you'd just shrug it off as me clearing because I'm good and not because of my tactics. So, I played lazily and as a result ended up with a less than satisfactory run. I guess I could do it again if you want, but do you have anything to say about this one first?

[Anonymous No.]

> I'm also not "from Riz's stream" either, and even if I watched his streams I would reject that labeling, because it's loaded language. Being his buddy has nothing to do with me agreeing with him, and frankly it would be stupid to support each other so blindly

So actually, you are indeed from Riz's stream., and as you've just said, you are indeed his buddy. Then as far as I'm concerned, there is at least some bias to your argument.

> My word that I can't clear UFO as easily after a replay showing how easy SA is, should be all that's necessary.

Am I missing something here? The replay never showed me how easy SA. You did slightly better than the people I've watched on stream, but you still ultimately failed.
Or are you going to say that if you never made the mistakes you did, you would have succeeded? Because if that's the case, then please save yourself the humiliation, if we all didn't make the mistakes we did in the games, then we would 1cc them every time.

> I've 1cc'ed UFO all of once, but could probably do it again given some perseverance. I've played UFO far more than I've played SA and yet can 1cc much more easily in SA.

If that's the case, then I'm not sure your skill level is up to scratch for any of the fair testing I was hoping to see.
Oh and there is the famous "I've played UFO much longer than x yet I still have trouble with it" that I see all to often these days, I'm starting to wonder if it's the same few people.

[Anonymous No.]

> What exactly would you want in a UFO replay?
A simple run through like you did in SA, though now I'm not so sure I even want to see it.
I can't help but think if you were to show me a replay of you running through UFO, you would game over on something silly like stage 3-4, which would only create more fallacies.

>I guess I could do it again if you want, but do you have anything to say about this one first?

Not really. Seemed like a pretty run of the mill playthrough that I'm used to seeing on streams, though they usually end a bit earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

Look the way I see it is this, you all play UFO religiously because you find it the most fun or...for whatever reason you play it the most, and thus want to make it out to be something that it's not in order to make your achievements in the game seem more special than they actually are.

[Anonymous No.]

I used to hold worlds records in IN and I think it is the hardest Touhou game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9138004

I didn't watch the replay, but I doubt there are that many maneuvers that would require serious heroics on Lunatic. You WILL get all power items dropped from bosses. From Normal onward, you'd have to be TRYING for you to not have full communications gauge during the stages.

hey anon you should watch the replay....that guy suicides to get full power constantly throughout the run...touhou 11 guy has a point here you cant do that stuff in lunatic its to dangerous

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143188
>and thus want to make it out to be something that it's not in order to make your achievements in the game seem more special than they actually are.
Fuck you, really, fuck you. I hold like more than ten scores which I hold as dearly as my UFO scores, INCLUDING, oh god, Subterranean Animism score. I say UFO is hardest to clear out of personal experience, not because I want to inflate my importance own 2.4B UFO score.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143242
Hmm. I could have sworn I already mentioned that but I guess I forgot about it. Oh well nothing to do now anyway but wait for his replay (which by the way T, I hope you know to try mimic what that guy did, because personally I think you have no chance, staying without any lives throughout the game on lunatic and all is no easy task.)
He would have easily missed out on 60-70+ bombs in that replay had he not suicided to gain full power every time.
That is the reason I disregarded this replay, to the guy who was giving me shit about it earlier on in the thread.
Show me a lunatic replay of someone doing the same thing. Spoiler : You can't.

>I say UFO is hardest to clear out of personal experience, not because I want to inflate my importance

Sure you don't buddy. Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143105
>So actually, you are indeed from Riz's stream., and as you've just said, you are indeed his buddy. Then as far as I'm concerned, there is at least some bias to your argument.
No, I've seen Riz stream only once (maybe twice?). If you take my overexplanation to mean I actually was his buddy AND was biased despite me deliberately clarifying, then you really need to get your head out of the gutter. Trying to discredit others is clouding your sense of reason. Your argument still holds for your invisible friends, too. From my point of view, your friends may as well be biased merely because they're friends with you and are just as faulty as you're trying to argue other anons are.

>Am I missing something here? The replay never showed me how easy SA. You did slightly better than the people I've watched on stream, but you still ultimately failed.
Can you please get to a coherent argument instead of trying to discredit me, because while "no mistakes = 1cc" is true, it is a misrepresentation of what I was doing. Not actually clearing is irrelevant but would have been nice. If you really wanted, yes I could go hop on SA and clear it. If you would actually give some parameters for what would show SA as easy, then perhaps we'd actually get somewhere instead of saying everything is insufficient evidence and strawmanning every second argument.

>If that's the case, then I'm not sure your skill level is up to scratch for any of the fair testing I was hoping to see.
Never said I couldn't clear it now, just that it might take me a few hours to do. You don't even have a clear definition for said "fair testing", which is why I asked you what you would have wanted in such a replay.

[Anonymous No.]

Again, you finding SA Lunatic harder is not the problem here, it's your claims that SA is objectively harder than UFO and you not being able to understand why other players would find UFO harder. I want to be able to reason with you but your constant strawmans and utter disregard for requiring proof for your claims is what's making this difficult. You still haven't explained why you can't provide any replays or videos or evidence that your friends exist. I also don't know why you think that a few practice runs invalidates a player's ability to find a game easy or not. I also don't know why naming good players that play more UFO is a bad thing; you would think that them having more experience with any of the games would clear any bias rather than introduce it. You however have no proof that you can 1cc UFO every time, and after my explanations of each game's difficulty it would be nice if you outlined exactly why SA is indeed harder instead of just going "la la la you're all wrong and all your evidence is worthless la la la". It's getting pretty pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143385
Could you come to #pofv? I'm getting tired of guessing who you are. The current guess is treasurance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143385
Well your thought of me saying "this is hard" to inflate my own sense of achievement is all in your head. If I want something more special, then I will make the actual run, not by talking/posting in the 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143105
>Oh and there is the famous "I've played UFO much longer than x yet I still have trouble with it" that I see all to often these days, I'm starting to wonder if it's the same few people.
So instead of thinking there actually might be some connection between having trouble with UFO even after playing it often and UFO actually being difficult, NOPE THEY'RE JUST THE SAME PEOPLE. Genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143479
It's not who you think it is, stop being paranoid. I'm here just watching from the sidelines and laughing my ass off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143578
Okay so the conclusion is you were trolling after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143385
I haven't posted since last night, and I don't feel like reading any of the posts, but I put together the promised replay. SA Lunatic. Not MarisaA. ~80 bombs (I'm pretty sure it's slightly under, but I didn't keep good count). Pretty much no dodging whatsoever.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21714

>which by the way T, I hope you know to try mimic what that guy did
I still haven't watched that replay. I should probably get around to it if people are going to keep bringing it up.
>because personally I think you have no chance, staying without any lives throughout the game on lunatic and all is no easy task.
Uh, if you say so.

>He would have easily missed out on 60-70+ bombs in that replay had he not suicided to gain full power every time.
>That is the reason I disregarded this replay
Hm, well I ended up having planned suicides as well, and overall really lazy dodging. I've 1cc'd SA Lunatic with no bombs with 6 lives remaining, so I have to make a pretty conscious effort to dodge poorly. Pretend that all of the suicides were "unintentional mistakes". I put no effort into dodging anything that wasn't simple streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>Not actually clearing is irrelevant but would have been nice.
How is it irrelevant when it was the whole point? I never asked for anything other than a clear on people first try, like I can do with UFO. (again, I couldn't care less if you believe me on that)
So if the purpose of your run was anything other than that, then it is YOU who has misunderstood.
99% of people I've watched die to stage one a good number of times. I'm actually certain you died too and had to restart a few times at least before you got it right.

>Never said I couldn't clear it now, just that it might take me a few hours to do. You don't even have a clear definition for said "fair testing", which is why I asked you what you would have wanted in such a replay.

If it's going to take you a few hours just to clear the game, then no, your skill is not good enough for comparison. I might say SA is more difficult than UFO, but that doesn't mean I can't complete it relatively easily.

>You still haven't explained why you can't provide any replays or videos or evidence that your friends exist

Hard drive died over a year ago, the only replay I have on it now is my TD lunatic and extra stage replay. So why can't I just hop on and go through SA and UFO now? Easy. I'm not in the mood to play yet.
As for my "invisible friends" as you put it, I've already gave a reason as to why I don't want to name our groups. Scroll up and find it.

> I also don't know why naming good players that play more UFO is a bad thing; you would think that them having more experience with any of the games would clear any bias rather than introduce it.

See :
>>9143188

[Anonymous No.]

> You however have no proof that you can 1cc UFO every time
Ha, and how would a replay prove otherwise? For all you know, I could have done it only once. There is no way to prove this...only possible way would be a livestream of running through UFO like 3 or so times in a row.

> and after my explanations of each game's difficulty it would be nice if you outlined exactly why SA is indeed harder instead of just going "la la la you're all wrong and all your evidence is worthless la la la". It's getting pretty pathetic.

No no no. What's pathetic is your inability to read. I've gave multiple explanations throughout this thread on why it's more difficult, it's not my fault that you refuse to acknowledge it. The only thing I've failed to provide is a replay. As for the so called evidence that has been provided...where?
You're the only one who's posted a replay and it was of a failed run so...
The bomb replay proved nothing at all so, where is this invisible evidence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9143607
That wasn't me. Way to jump to conclusions though.

[Anonymous No.]

Nevermind, I guess I will reply to some.

>>9143188
>Look the way I see it is this, you all play UFO religiously because you find it the most fun or...for whatever reason you play it the most
I play UFO more than SA because SA isn't very challenging to me anymore. UFO's scoring system is much, much more interesting to me.
>and thus want to make it out to be something that it's not in order to make your achievements in the game seem more special than they actually are.
This is complete garbage. I'm insulted. Sure, I have a world record for UFO Extra with ReimuA, but that's completely irrelevant when comparing Lunatics. I have two world records in TD, and have held a total of 3 at one point, but I think it's the shittiest, easiest, least interesting game in the series so far.

Stop projecting.

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>>9143682
autobomb on death patch lol

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>How is it irrelevant when it was the whole point? I never asked for anything other than a clear on people first try, like I can do with UFO. [...] Ha, and how would a replay prove otherwise? For all you know, I could have done it only once. There is no way to prove this
Uh what. First you claim that you 1cc UFO Lunatic every time, then when asked for proof you say it's unprovable anyways so you don't have to. Do you not get how stupid this is? You should care, since if nobody believes you can do this then you have zero basis on your claims that one game is harder than the other. 1ccing UFO on every first try indicates that in any given replay you're going to clear it, and simply by watching one replay you should be able to figure out how good you are. Any evidence for your position at this point is better than what you have.

>So if the purpose of your run was anything other than that, then it is YOU who has misunderstood.
Yes, apparently I misunderstood, but only because you aren't being specific enough, for the hundred time.
>99% of people I've watched die to stage one a good number of times. I'm actually certain you died too and had to restart a few times at least before you got it right.
That's because it's natural to have a path for stage 1, and possibly 2, given they're so goddamn simple. Early restarts are a common occurrence at all levels and it's almost worth an entire other discussion on why you think it's invalidating. The more you say this the less you sound like a real player.
Would it even be worth saying it was indeed a completely fresh run?

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>If it's going to take you a few hours just to clear the game, then no, your skill is not good enough for comparison.
Me not being up to "your standard" is irrelevant, you still have no definition for whatever you think a "fair" comparison is, and how you're even going to compare two easily-cleared runs.

>Hard drive died over a year ago, the only replay I have on it now is my TD lunatic and extra stage replay. So why can't I just hop on and go through SA and UFO now? Easy. I'm not in the mood to play yet.
That isn't an excuse. Moreover, putting a "first try" clause on your unclear requirements is much worse of a condition than not wanting to play. If you can clear first try every time then just go do it and we'll shut up about it.

>As for my "invisible friends" as you put it, I've already gave a reason as to why I don't want to name our groups. Scroll up and find it.
Having a reason why you don't want them named doesn't mean you get to use them as support. Even if they did exist, you never addressed why your "friends are biased to friends" argument doesn't apply.

>See >>9143188
Except that's bullshit and you've avoided having to deal with it yourself by claiming you don't like either game. It's ultra bullshit. You have zero reason to actually think that, it's just a red herring argument you made up to yet again invalidate people who disagree with you.

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>>9143682

There's really nothing for me to complain about here.
Good replay.


> I play UFO more than SA because SA isn't very challenging to me anymore. UFO's scoring system is much, much more interesting to me.

SA isn't but UFO is? If you wanted a challenge ,then why aren't you playing some of the more difficult shmups?

> This is complete garbage. I'm insulted. Sure, I have a world record for UFO Extra with ReimuA, but that's completely irrelevant when comparing Lunatics. I have two world records in TD, and have held a total of 3 at one point, but I think it's the shittiest, easiest, least interesting game in the series so far.
Funny, because invincibility the game is my favorite in the series. It's also not the easiest. That spot goes to PCB and IN. But hey, despite it being my favorite you don't see me claiming it's something that it's not.

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Why the fuck is Parsee a lv2 boss? These are supposed to be piss easy, like Mystia or Hina.

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>>9143864

Now you're just being difficult. It's almost like I'm arguing with a 12 year old.
I'll wall of text reply to your post tomorrow, I'm going to sleep now.

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Scattered and disorganized. I'm sleepy and having difficulty articulating my thoughts.

>>9143914
>SA isn't but UFO is? If you wanted a challenge ,then why aren't you playing some of the more difficult shmups?
This is a good question, and I have a stupid, long, irrational answer that I won't be sharing at this time.

However, I take that back, if only to clarify. I don't really think any of the Touhou games pose a threat when playing for survival. I would say UFO Lunatic is the most difficult to 1cc, but, in the end, I don't really have any problems doing so. Anyway, it's not so much that UFO is harder, but I'm not bored with UFO yet. Admittedly, all this discussion and making me revisit SA reminded me of how fun the game can be, but I've just grown tired of it. It was my favorite before UFO was released, after all. I think UFO's scoring system is fun, opposed to SA's "bomb and sit on bullets for multipliers". So, that's why I play it more these days.

>Funny, because invincibility the game is my favorite in the series.
That's nice. I like UFO. I'm glad we were able to share that irrelevant information about ourselves.
>It's also not the easiest. That spot goes to PCB and IN.
I guess that's true if talking about clears (which, admittedly, is what we've been talking about, so you got me there), but both PCB and IN require actual skill at high level play. All TD requires is X X C X X C X X C. For this reason, I stand firmly by the other adjectives I chose to describe the game.

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>>9143943
Yes, because nitpicking at flawed and inconsistent arguments, as well as the strawmen everywhere, clearly makes me a 12-year-old. Please reply tomorrow, I might actually go through the thread and just address most of the things you've said in the thread, if that will actually make you happy. I am certainly being difficult, but again, I want to be able to actually reason with you. Your arguments are unreasonable; you being difficult is why I am also being difficult.

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>>9143943
I'm sorry, but you're just a really bad poster. Almost as bad as SPC.

You certainly shit up a thread nearly as much, at any rate.