/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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JAPANESE STUDY HERE

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moar liek

>>>/lang/

amirite

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I know it's less obvious now that the frames are gone by default and you have to use the hipster Web 2.0 front page instead, but are people seriously unaware that /lang/ exists?

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>>9107891
>>9107891
that picture is bad and you should feel bad.

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>>9108214

for what ?

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>>9108777
For getting trips.

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get out

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>Hiragana in wrong order, should go left to right
>None of the texbooks listed as being used by colleges are used by colleges.
>'Sometimes it's a good idea to turn the subtitles off. You learn faster without them'
>Pimsleur
>Japanese the manga way
>Heisig

Anyone who follows this deserves to fail at language learning.

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>Hiragana in wrong order, should go right to left when written in a table
>None of the texbooks listed as being used by colleges are used by colleges.
>'Sometimes it's a good idea to turn the subtitles off. You learn faster without them'
>Pimsleur
>Japanese the manga way
>Heisig

Anyone who follows this deserves to fail at language learning.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

Those are some really awful tips in that image. I mean, Pimsleur? Really? Why not just buy Rosetta Stone if you just want to pretend to be studying a language?

Really you should be using Anki and Tae Kim for vocabulary and grammar respectively. Maybe some Heisig too but preferably the later stuff with the actual readings and so on included. Watching and reading untranslated stuff is the only good advice in that image and even that isn't possible when you've only read Genki and listened to some Pimsleur trash.

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>>9108830
Why did you delete your other post?

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>>9108823
Heisig is good. Kanjidamage is retarded.

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>>9108843
No.

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>>9108843
Heisig is just okay really. You'd be better off with a bunch of flashcards, be they in Anki or real life, than with any of these "wow amazing teach yourself 1000 kanji in a month using our incredible proprietary method" schemes.

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KanjiDamage, but only if you're real gangsta

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>>9108838
Originally wrote 'Hiragana in wrong order, should go left to right when written in a table', when that was actually the mistake made.

>>9108843
Heisig is abysmal. If someone is stupid enough to jam 3000 characters into their brain that have no contextual application or pronunciation, THEN flip through 600 pages of pronunciations and jam them in separately, he or she is a moron. Kanjidamage is great because it provides pronunciation, context, examples, and allows you to prioritise which characters you memorise.

Admittedly the only thing Heisig taught me (before I gave up, realising it was useless) was stroke order, but that's really not hard to learn anywhere else, nor is it even a priority.

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>>9108866
Yeah, no wannabe gangsters, you're in full time

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>>9108873
I taught myself the JLPT4 kanji using Heisig years ago and always regretted not learning the readings with them but it's not impossible to overcome.

Regardless, the later Heisig books include the readings. I am almost certain of this.

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>>9108891
>the later Heisig books include the readings. I am almost certain of this.

AFAIK:
RTK 1 is just characters.
RTK 2 is just readings.
RTK 3 is 1000- odd random characters tacked on to the 'essential' kanji, but it is divided into two sections: all characters, then all readings, yet again.

Also:
>Actually following the JLPT sets
Don't do this... ever... have a logical system to learning kanji (a la Kanjidamage). Don't just follow what some money-grabbing institution who offer a useless course define as 'essential' for an arbitrary 'level' of Japanese. Besides, the average /jp/sie should know these without even trying anyway simply due to the amount of times they've seen them. If you can't recognise 女 and 男 and shit you shouldn't even be here.

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>>9108873
You aren't going to remember the pronunciations in a useful way anyways. The problem is just that the method stops being as useful once you get about 500 kanji under your belt.

Thus, I would say learn as much as you can easily using either method, and once it gets hard as shit just start reading shit in japanese.

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I don't understand all these different methods for learning runes. why not just treat it like vocabulary in any other language and learn it by reading it over and over? I learned the runes for chinpo just by seeing it so many times in untranslated eroge and I wasn't even trying to learn anything.

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>>9108929
>If you can't recognise 女 and 男 and shit you shouldn't even be here.
じょだんだろ

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Hmmm. I take Japanese at my University and I find it frustrating when my teacher talks in nonstop Japanese. Past a certain point it starts to sound like gibberish if I didn't understand them the first time and I'm not as fast as a learner.

While I think its good to get us to use it more, I'm a learner where if I understand it in context to english and I can have repeated to me and read it over and over I'll learn it. It just sucks being in class and not being able to follow the pace and being embarrassed when answering wrong.

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>>9108966
自分を

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>>9108929
>If you can't recognise 女 and 男

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I or anyone else using JLPT sets can't read some of the first characters everyone picks up casually. In any case, I learned up to JLPT3 and could easily ace the actual exam but have no plans for taking it ever. I don't even use flashcards anymore but when I last did so regularly, I used a 3000 character set.

My studying these days consists almost entirely of 2ch, matome, idol blogs, anime, visual novels and TV shows. If there's any problems with my Japanese, it's that I sometimes forget that it's not okay to throw ridiculous things like ガンガレ and 裏山c into non-BBS speech and so I end up sounding like the Japanese equivalent of a 12 year old /b/ poster. DQNｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

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>>9108873
Ideally, you only do RTK1 and the first half of RTK3 (the way he teachers readings sucks (for the most part) but you might as well as just quickly go through it and hope you leave with at least some readings once you're done). That takes about 4-5 months (at a pace of 1 RTK lesson per day + Anki review) and it will leave you with more than enough foundational knowledge of Kanji to jump straight into sentences and grammar. You learn the readings of the Kanji and associate them with their meanings as they are used in words or by themselves because, in reality, you won't be using half of them, so why put in about 5 times more effort and time into memorizing something that's pretty much useless.

On a side note, the way KD "teaches" makes it hard to take it seriously.

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誰であれ自分より流暢じゃなければ教える事はあるまい。
ということで誰か日本語を身に着けるコツをおしえてくれよ～。なかなか身
に付かないですよ。会話は

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I can teach conversational Japanese. In fact before I joined the Army (long story) I used to teach it via Skype for $25 an hour to professional learners that were in Boston and another school I cant remember.
I'm willing to help out. Is someone dead set on learning you guys can contact me at [e-mail]

Gambatte ne!

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>>9109095
I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister!

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>>9109095

Do we have to pay 25 bucks or what?

Just make an IRC channel and we'll study as a group there.

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do they have books like this for moonspeak?

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>>9109306

hipsters gonna hip

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this is all Japanese you will ever need to know:
中出しの喜び

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>>9109222
What's a good irc server? I'm not the $25 dude but I want to gather some people to learn this shit together.

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>>9109306
Oh shit anon this brings back memories! This was a great book and I loved Latin. It came very easily to me, but Japanese isn't. I'm actually going to second this.

The book teaches you grammar and vocabulary and then has you apply it to stories you translate each chapter. Are there any Japanese learning books like this?

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>>9109381
Well, Rizon is pretty much the standard for weeaboo shit....

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>>9109417
rizon #jpstudy then

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>>9108830
Heisig is fine.

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>>9109012
I do RTK but instead of doing everything I just remove words that don't appear on Kanjidamage or words I will NEVER use.
And I also change the meanings to fit with Kanjidamage.

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>>9107891
bump from the dead.

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So none of the cool kids use Rosetta stone huh.

Did you guys just use books then?

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>>9109306

>ecchi romani

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Heisig makes for a good starting point, I'd reccomend only doing the first volume using ANKI, lazy kanjii method worked really well for me. Learning the pronunciations through sentence flashcards is so much easier than slogging through a contextless book. After the first heisig volume, you'll be able to get general meanings of sentences so it feels a lot more natural, and just add additional kanjii and vocab in sentences to ANKI as you come across them.

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Is there anything which teaches grammar aside from Tae Kim? It's a great site but I'd also like to use another guide along side with it just so I can understand every example.