Have you done your reps yet, /jp/? It's very important that you don't forget your moonrunes.

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Anonymous Fri May 18 19:55:48 2012 No.9031810 [Reply] [Original]

Have you done your reps yet, /jp/? It's very important that you don't forget your moonrunes.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 19:56:50 2012 No.9031815 All the good media are translated into English. Learning Japanese is an obsolete way of being able to understand it. Worse, in fact, since proper translators are better at translating than you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 19:58:32 2012 No.9031823 >>9031810 Damn! It's 2am, I have 2 hours to do my 205 cards in kanjis, 212 cards in core 2000, 154 cards in taekim, 55 cards in core 10k and 82 cards in all kanji for jlpt2. Will I manage or should I go to sleep?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 19:58:32 2012 No.9031824 >>9031815 But comprehension is always easier than translation. Your argument is stupid, like you are.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 19:59:17 2012 No.9031831 >>9031824 Please don't bring personal attacks into this. I can't help that I'm stupid, it was largely genetically determined.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 19:59:17 2012 No.9031832 File: 66 KB, 640x556, 34.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I shall.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:00:48 2012 No.9031838 >>9031815 >since proper translators are better at translating than you There are proper translators of eroge?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:01:03 2012 No.9031846 >>9031815 Have fun waiting 99999999999999999999999999 years for newly released VNs.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:06:47 2012 No.9031864 >>9031838 You've never heard of MangaGamer or JAST USA?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:18:47 2012 No.9031932 File: 54 KB, 911x510, fuckingrepshowdotheywork.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'll do it tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:22:02 2012 No.9031952 I gave up on that shit a while ago. Figured it's more fun to spend that time just reading instead, whilst simultaneously not causing suicidal tendencies.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:22:32 2012 No.9031949 After finishing up kanjidamage I picked up Core2000 to learn vocab but it's kinda slow: sentences repeat a LOT and there's a lot of stuff I already know. Isn't there something with a similar format but slightly more complex sentences?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:28:47 2012 No.9031982 >>9031949 There's 2001.Kanji.Odyssey, but I don't know if there is an Anki deck for it. I got the CD version with example sentences a long time ago. You might need to do some hunting for rapidshits. Pictured is one of the examples for the kanji 火.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:29:33 2012 No.9031984 File: 18 KB, 572x241, キャプチャ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9031982 Fucking forgot mah pic, goddamn.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:33:03 2012 No.9031999 File: 28 KB, 617x320, キャプチャ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9031949 And here's a slightly more difficult example.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:36:33 2012 No.9032007 cant. too busy throwing up all the time because of alcohol abuse. this is the first time this has happened though. should i stop? im worried

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 20:46:02 2012 No.9032051 >>9032007 Nope, you should definitely keep on keeping on until you're dead.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 22:50:34 2012 No.9032545 Damn right, OP. Finished lesson 14 of RTK tonight too. Doing 20-40 Kanji a day from it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 22:55:03 2012 No.9032567 Reps are done OP, I try to knock them out in the morning so that I can focus on reading at night.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 22:57:33 2012 No.9032569 Have tried starting Japanese twice before but haven't gotten very far. I think I have the necessary motivation now, though. Thinking of using Heisig and Genki. Is that a good idea?

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:07:35 2012 No.9032594

I am starting to lose my motivation. I have begun marking things as good that I really should be failing just so I can get my reviews done quicker and so I can have less reviews.

I am done 1200 of the core2k.

I think I should really be working on trying to read manga or something, but I remember not too long ago attempting to read Yotsuba and having quite a bit of trouble and getting discouraged.

Maybe I would have more luck with something like Doraemon...

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:10:52 2012 No.9032607 I'm thinking of taking a Japanese class at college this summer. Have any of you done it? Is it worth it?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:13:34 2012 No.9032620 >>9032594 >lose motivation Sorry to hear that bro.. I've been studying for a few months, and I can understand much more than I could a few weeks ago. Playing untranslated video games is getting easier every day.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:22:59 2012 No.9032657

>>9031810
These kanjidamage cards have a lot of info on them. I normally just press "hard" no matter how easy the card was because I like to review them all every day, but that isn't going to work out is it? I'm about 200 in. Should I start allowing them to go longer than a day? It's already getting hellishly long, like nearly 3 hours of just reps interspersed throughout the day. I'm doing this wrong, huh?

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:22:59 2012 No.9032661

So you guys all use Anki?

You know when Japanese children are taught Japanese, they don't think up ridiculous stories to go a long with the shape and structure of the Kanji. They just write it over and over again. Then they are given books and reading materials which contain the Kanji. Are you guys actually writing the Kanji, or just reading?

I live and study at a Japanese university. All classes are taught in Japanese.

I'm just really curious how people in western countries go about learning Japanese.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:25:28 2012 No.9032672

>>9032661
Learning a first and second language is a lot different. Japanese children also take a lot longer to become competently literate than a lot of us want to take, and don't have another language to fall back on to use for ridiculous mnemonics and flash cards.

I use anki, rosetta stone and a few other resources every now and then.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:26:59 2012 No.9032680 >>9032661 Why would you choose to write things over and over for years when you can make up silly bullshit to remember instead? It isn't possible for Japanese kids to do other ways, but thankfully we have the option.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:28:29 2012 No.9032688

I have question guys. What do you do when you learn a new kanji like this 出 which has a shitload of different readings?
Do you memorize every single reading for it, or should you just familiarize yourself with the compound kanji that it's used for, and its reading for each specific one?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:29:59 2012 No.9032699 >>9032688 You just have to feel the kanji. In your heart you will understand what it means.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:32:02 2012 No.9032714

>>9032672

Yes I know how different learning a second language is, Lol. Japanese is not my first language. But the way I became fluent is a lot different than these methods I have seen on the internet recently.

For instance, and just cause I want to offer some advice, when you guys are defining words, try not to put the definition in your own language. Learn like a Japanese does.

For instance:

外食

外食と言うのは外で食べることです。

You guys know what I am talking about?

Also, with Kanji, I think it's faster to just write write write. And then getting a book that contains the Kanji you've studied. Then just read it over and over again. This is how we learn in Japan.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:32:02 2012 No.9032716
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I'm kinda new to kanji.
What the fuck does 間 mean. How would it be translated to English, I mean? Seems so confusing. And it could also mean 'time'?
Then what's the difference between 間 and 時間?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:33:59 2012 No.9032720 >>9032699 But if you see that kanji in conjuction with another kanji, how are you supposed to know which reading to pronounce it by?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:34:59 2012 No.9032726 >>9032720 FEEL IT IN YOUR HEART, ANON-KUN

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:35:59 2012 No.9032732 >Writing and speaking Japanese Why the fuck would you want to do that? I just want to read video games.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:37:13 2012 No.9032737 File: 149 KB, 565x575, 1334493790651.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9032732 >I just want to read video games. You answered your own question

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:38:13 2012 No.9032740

Well I guess I'll just ask here since it's kind of related.
I'm interested in learning Jabanese however I don't really know how. Where do I start? What resources can I use? Like... any recommended textbooks or anything I can get? Somewhat reluctant to get proper classes at a collage or something due to the type of people that would go (Read: Genuine weebs and and not the way the term in commonly used. The annoying kind.) and formal learning environment like that tend to kill my enthusiasm for learning.

Anything you guys would suggest or should I just quit bitching and sign up for a course?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:39:59 2012 No.9032746 >>9032740 :----D

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:40:15 2012 No.9032747 >>9032740 Just use internet resources, a classroom will just slow you down and give you unneeded pressure. Go at your own pace. For starting, I'd recommend namasensei's video on youtube.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:41:29 2012 No.9032752

>>9032714
>I think it's faster to just write write write.

It isn't. The only thing that improves is your handwriting.

>This is how we learn in Japan.

That doesn't mean it's the best way. School is rigide as hell, especially the Japanese school system.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:43:45 2012 No.9032761 So Anki...Do you guys make your own cards, or download packs, or what? It looks really useful and I want to start using it but I don't know how.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:43:45 2012 No.9032763 >>9032716 間　＝　あいだ間に時間　じかん These are time and space expressions. 時間があれば、遊ぼう！ If you have time, let's hang out. 時間　refers to time. どのくらいの間、東京に住んでいる？ How long have you lived in Tokyo. キムは私と君の間に座っている。 Kim is sitting between you and me.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:45:28 2012 No.9032770

>>9032720

You use chinese reading for compounded Kanji about 80% of the time. And Japanese reading for singular Kanji. There are exceptions, but you can be abou 70% accurate with this method. Also, certain words are just everywhere, and the more you read and write, you just come to know them without having to think.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:45:58 2012 No.9032772 >>9032761 You can download packs from within the program. Making your own would take forever. You can modify the ones you download if you need to.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:46:28 2012 No.9032776

>>9032740
Google it, seriously just search google for a bit if you have a question it's most likely been asked by someone before.

Also I know this is reddit, but this has good resources together and details about them
http://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/foylz/lets_gather_all_the_free_japanese_learning/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:46:28 2012 No.9032778 >>9032763 >どのくらいの間、東京に住んでいる？ I hate to be a pain, you could you please break down this sentence for me, like tell me exactly which word is which? It would really help me

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:47:30 2012 No.9032785 >>9032772 Any good vocab decks you'd recommend? I've just been making my own as I read VNs but it's kind of annoying.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:48:29 2012 No.9032788 >>9032770 So you're saying that if it's paired with another kanji, you'll probably use the KUN reading, and if it's by itself, you'll usually use the ON reading?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:48:43 2012 No.9032791 >>9032785 I just use the Remembering the Kanji deck. Just search for Heisig in the add deck thing and it should show up.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:49:28 2012 No.9032794 >>9032791 I want to do vocab, not individual kanji.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:50:01 2012 No.9032803 >>9032778 Tip: Rikaichan.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:50:14 2012 No.9032798 >>9032788 No, it will use Onyomi in jukugo and Kunyomi with okurigana. You have it backwards.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:50:28 2012 No.9032799 >>9032778 どのくらいの間、東京に住んでいる？どのくらい　about how long 間　time 東京　tokyo 住んでいる　living other particles are used. you need to study grammar to understand this

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:50:28 2012 No.9032800 >>9032778 >どのくらいの間、東京に住んでいる？ Like this?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:50:44 2012 No.9032802 >>9032794 Can't really help then. Sorry.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:51:00 2012 No.9032807

>>9032763
>>9032720

Kanji have two ways of reading them. On'yomi and Kun'yomi
Kun is used for when reading a character by itself or in a name.
On'yomi is the so called "Chinese" reading you use these for compound words (Jukugo). IE when you put 2 kanji next to each other.

Keep in mind not everything is regular and there are a million exceptions. Note that there are characters used only for names and the kun is used most of the time. Note that anything possible reading no matter how rare is something that might be used.

http://kanjidamage.com/kanji_facts

http://kanjidamage.com/

Learn kanji, now!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:51:44 2012 No.9032806 >>9032802 Thanks anyway. If anyone else can recommend one, though, I'd be appreciative.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:54:58 2012 No.9032823 >>9032807 Kun is the native Japanese way of reading the character. Kun is used for when reading a character by itself or in a name.*

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:55:28 2012 No.9032826 >>9032657 Dear god yes. You don't need to know everything about every kanji. One reading and the meaning. >>9032740 Alright, I know this is /jp/ but... >>>/a/65934206 They will probably have more patience for you starting out.

Anonymous Fri May 18 23:56:30 2012 No.9032833

>>9032752

Not learning how they learn in Japan is not the best way to learn Japanese? -_-

If you want to sound like a foreigner when you come to Japan, and have horrible reading, sound completely unnatural, then you are right.

This is how the Chinese learn Chinese, and how the Japanese learn Japanese. it is their own method. Do you want to spend years studying and still only be at an elementary level? Or do you want to own and use the language?

If you can read and write the Kanji, you know it. And then if you read books, they will reappear, the same way the algorithm in Anki makes words reappear.

THIS IS MY ADVICE FOR EVERYONE AND HOW I GOT IN TO UNIVERSITY IN JAPAN
(and not fucking waseda where classes are taught in Egnlish, no every class is Japanese, no one speaks English)

Buy a N3 grammar book, fucking drill that shit. Translate every word. N3 grammar is daily use, natural, and very functional. Study Grammar patterns until you know them intuitively.The grammar books have Kanji, so you can study both and the same time.

When you feel like a badass, get a book that covers the Kanji Japanese students learn in elementary school. Drill that stuff. Read it everyday.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 18 23:59:14 2012 No.9032845 >>9032833 >If you want to sound like a foreigner when you come to Japan, and have horrible reading, sound completely unnatural, then you are right. We just want to play video games.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:02:58 2012 No.9032858 >>9032826 Huh. Didn't know /a/ had these. They never seemed like the most... shall we say supportive board. Thanks guys. You've been a huge help... Eeeh... wish me luck I guess?

Anonymous Sat May 19 00:03:15 2012 No.9032859

>>9032833
>Not learning how they learn in Japan is not the best way to learn Japanese? -_-

I don't even know what you mean. But no, just because it's taught in Japan doesn't make it the best way to learn it.

>when you come to Japan

But I don't want to. Neither does the majority here. Don't confuse our interest for certain aspects for Japanese pop culture with an interest in Japan itself.

>Do you want to spend years studying and still only be at an elementary level?

You mean, like they do? It takes what, 18 years for a Japanese child to learn every Jouyou-Kanji? No thanks, I stick with my method.

Anonymous Sat May 19 00:03:59 2012 No.9032866

Okay here is a fundamental flaw with the way you guys are learning.

you learn this kanji 健　and then attach the english definition "healthy" to it. THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

In Japan we don't say 健　for healthy, lol

we say 丈夫、大丈夫、体にいい

even compounded 健康　means health, not healthY

you need to learn words the way they are actually used in japanese. not chopped up versions of things.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:06:14 2012 No.9032880 >>9032866 That's why I advocate learning vocab over the Heisig/Kanjidamage method.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:06:43 2012 No.9032883 >>9032866 Are you, perhaps, acting retarded on purpose? I mean, no one can be this stupid, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:06:59 2012 No.9032884 >>9032866 Translations suck!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:07:43 2012 No.9032888 >>9032866 Who said people were learning those things? People aren't learning Kanji in vacuum separate from vocab.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:11:58 2012 No.9032907 >>9032883 everything i type is correct. do you guys want to learn japanese or some fucked up version of japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:14:29 2012 No.9032920 >>9032907 >everything i type is correct. Yes, it is. It's actually painfully obvious. Everyone here knows the concept of on'yomi and kun'yomi. Again, are you acting retarded on purpose? Is this trolling? if yes, congratulations.

Anonymous Sat May 19 00:14:29 2012 No.9032923

>>9032866
>>9032907
No one is suggesting we walk up to Japanese people and show them the character 健 or pronounce けん (which, mind you, isn't even taught in Heisig, at least not in book 1)(everyone ignores book 2). You either don't understand the point/method of the process or you're a troll.

Anonymous Sat May 19 00:18:14 2012 No.9032933

>>9032920

you realize the japanese you're studying was created for foreigners?

外人向けの作られた日本語

get some grammar books made by the ministry of japanese education, or books by actual japanese authors. this method of only reading random kanjis and not writing at all while studying strange sentences that are never used in japan is just not right

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:18:29 2012 No.9032936 >>9032923 And just for clarity, by "not taught" I mean the reading, not the character itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:19:45 2012 No.9032945 >>9032933 What sentences are you talking about? You're awfully good at pulling stuff out of your ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:21:44 2012 No.9032960 >>9032933 Well, thanks for completly disregarding my point and jumping to a totally unrelated topic. I guess you are a troll, after all.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:22:30 2012 No.9032967 >>9032933 >kanjis

Anonymous Sat May 19 00:22:58 2012 No.9032968

>>9032923
>>9032936

lol why waist your time with that book? i have a chinese friend who only know 100 japanese words and maybe only 20 basic grammar patterns and he can speak all day in japanese. you could get a lot further if you study actual words and grammar that memorizing singular kanji which dont even have the compounds when you study.

it's useless to just learn : 食

you need to know:
食事
食べる
外食
食べ放題

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:23:00 2012 No.9032979 >>9032968 Right, ok. Have fun trolling somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:23:00 2012 No.9032980 >>9032968 You're a fucking idiot and terrible troll, please stop.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:23:43 2012 No.9032972 >>9032933 >you realize the japanese you're studying was created for foreigners? I am a foreigner. I am not a Japanese youngling.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:25:14 2012 No.9032985 >>9032968 >Its useless to know how to add if all you care about is doing calculus.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:27:29 2012 No.9033004 lol guise if japan does something and you dont do it the same way your an idiot lol

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:27:58 2012 No.9033006 >>9033004 :3

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:28:14 2012 No.9033009 All these asspained autists upset that they wasted so much time on Heisig and still couldn't read anything...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:30:00 2012 No.9033020 >>9033009 :3

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:30:00 2012 No.9033021 >>9033009 Mother fucker everything I read is in Japanese. I only read /jp/ through Google Translate in Japanese. Get on my level you fucking faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:31:17 2012 No.9033024 >>9033009 I'm actually wasting my time with kanji damage and it works quite fine.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:33:53 2012 No.9033033 >>9033021 Lol, reading google translates japanese? Man, you're Japanese... must be fucked up. lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:35:24 2012 No.9033040 >>9033024 Do you use his mnemoics system? I can't seem to get into it. Writing is a little better for me remembering but it takes quite a long time to learn.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:36:38 2012 No.9033047 >>9033040 I use it sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 00:39:54 2012 No.9033066 >>9033040 From time to time. His mnemoics are often too far-fetched. It still works well because of the systematic introduction of radicals.

Anonymous Sat May 19 00:44:39 2012 No.9033084

>>9033047
>>9033066
I see. I don't quite understand to use his radical system. Isn't it just so the mnemonics work? Or am I missing something?

Currently I'm making two custom decks as I learn, one for kanji only and another for vocab/compounds (Kanji deck has 'meaning' on question side and the kanji itself, readings, and a compound or wo on the answer side. The other deck has definitions/meanings on the question, and the compound on the other side). I'm going pretty slow and I'm not satisfied with it. My grammar is also not that great especially when sentences are huge and run on and on.

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>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 10:19:16 2012 No.9034936 I tried making a new Anki deck last Wednesday so I could start studying actively again, but I can't find any vocabulary to put into it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 10:24:48 2012 No.9034959 Reps dont seem to help my ability to form anything beyond basic sentences. Either does talking either. Dont know if what I am doing is improving my japanese or not.

Anonymous Sat May 19 10:39:41 2012 No.9035007

The main purpose of studying kanji through mnemonics is to remember them, not learn them. You're supposed to make each kanji so memorable that whenever you encounter it in context, your brain will have something to associate that context with.

The idea is that to truly have to learn a word, you'll have to see it in context many times. No dictionary can sufficiently explain to you how each word works. But seeing a word in context once only gives some very fragmentary knowledge, which you'll just automatically filter away, unless your brain has something to associate it with. Therefore it's highly efficient to mix up pure memorization with learning through context, so you can get the best out of both.

Remember, kids learn starting from scratch, with absolutely no associations to help them along. And kids are good at learning languages, right? Except that it takes them years just to learn babytalk.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 10:46:45 2012 No.9035021 fug, 157 bastards are waiting for me. I'll take a sip of mead every 10 kanjis, and listen to touhou music. I probably shouldn't take pause.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 10:47:15 2012 No.9035026 I have to laugh at the guy who thinks that the best way to learn a language is the way taught in a school.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 10:48:00 2012 No.9035032 >>9035026 For self learners, I would say the best way is to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 10:49:31 2012 No.9035039 >>9035032 Exactly. Independent study is always best, not whatever is used in schooling, particularly for people who are trying to learn it as their first language. I don't care about learning moon, but languages aren't hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 11:18:18 2012 No.9035110 http://www.mediafire.com/jperovoice This shit is pretty much the best resource for learning japanese. Find something with a script, translate the words you don't know, but instead of grinding reps in anki, just listen to the audio several times.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 11:20:33 2012 No.9035118 >>9035110 I want to save all that for when I know the language well enough to just lie back, close my eyes and listen. It seems like a far too awesome experience to waste it on learning vocabulary.

Anonymous Sat May 19 11:35:53 2012 No.9035157

>>9035118
I don't know, I don't feel like I'm wasting anything by learning vocab from it. I mean, I still fap to it, and it makes the whole learning process a lot more enjoyable.

And besides, there's a lot of stuff there, you know. Before you're done with even half of it, you'll probably be able to understand the rest easily.

Anonymous Sat May 19 12:28:33 2012 No.9035396

>>9035110
fuck the reps, I'm downloading it all.

>>9035026
School is shit, but you get guided by people who know their shit, and can ask them question.
If it wasn't for that, yeah, it'd be a huge waste of time (and money for those who don't live in superior welfare country).

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 12:43:03 2012 No.9035448 >>9035157 I guess I could start with the decent stuff and save the really awesome stuff for later. There's a lot of stuff in the former category.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 15:22:09 2012 No.9035969 File: 36 KB, 640x480, tagme18.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't make me say it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 15:24:39 2012 No.9035974 File: 57 KB, 640x556, ss+%282012-05-19+at+09.23.47%29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9035969 I'm on it!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 15:38:33 2012 No.9036013 Can /jp/ reccomend a good deck for kanji? Also, should I learn kunyomi onyomi and meaning, like in kanjidamage, or just meaning, then sound and such later?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 15:55:04 2012 No.9036044 >>9036013 http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=5322

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 16:00:17 2012 No.9036053 File: 54 KB, 226x801, deckstats.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Feels good...

Anonymous Sat May 19 16:05:49 2012 No.9036068

>>9036013
It really depends on what your preferences is after you're done with the kanji. And how much experience you have with the language beforehand.

As for me I do kunyomi that's atleast 3 stars only + onyomi and meaning for every kanji.

The reason why I do onyomi, which most people see as useless, is because I already have a well established vocab to be able to understand most of the japanese I hear.

So it pretty much sums up to this:

EASY MODE
1. Only do meaning - this is what most people do, wont be able to read shit after you're done until you start doing vocab.

NORMAL MODE
2. Do kunyomi + meaning, and later grind vocab. Wont be able to read compounds that use the onyomi reading.

HARD MODE
3. Do kunyomi + onyomi and meaning, will be able to read most of the jukugo you see after you're done. And can pretty much romanize most of the japanese you read. Like I said before, doesn't mean you'll understand any of it. Although it does make it easier memorizing jukugo since you can associate the specific sound of said compound with the meaning of it. Even though there's many words that sound the same but have different meaning in Japanese, but yeah.

GODSLAYER MODE
4.Do kunyomi + onyomi + jukugo and meaning - I guess you'd be able to guess this one out. Takes fucking forever.

As for decks, I use kanjidamage and it works pretty good. I do both anki and grinding through the website though.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:30:46 2012 No.9036342 >>9036068 any suggestions for a normalmode deck? Ill use kanjidamage as well. >>9036044 Thanks, ill look it over!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:33:43 2012 No.9036352 >>9036068 ULTRA: 5. Include writing in your reps

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:36:16 2012 No.9036360 >>9036342 There's no differences in terms of decks. You just skip the shit you dont wanna learn.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:38:15 2012 No.9036371 What is the difference between 小 and 少?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:41:32 2012 No.9036380 >>9036371 小 means small size as in 小さい少 means a little as in amount like 少ない - not enough

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:43:19 2012 No.9036385 >>9036380 not that guy, but then why do you use 少 for 少女? (small woman = girl)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:47:25 2012 No.9036393 >>9036385 小女 would be rather demeaning, wouldn't it? Wouldn't you rather say someone is young than to say that they're "small"?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 17:47:25 2012 No.9036394 >>9036385 少女 is the compound for young girl. so a little amount + woman=young girl. The compound for girl is 女の子 Not to mention there are hundreds of compounds that absolutely makes no sense in terms of kanji that built a compound up.

Anonymous Sat May 19 17:53:14 2012 No.9036415

>>9036394
I like to think about this in english, how some of our own compounds dont make much sense. Upon should mean up-on, as in, on but also implying higher elevation, but its used as a synonym for on in most cases. Never the less would make sense sometimes, but not in most of its usages. Even if it makes sense in terms of words, not gramatically.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 19 18:32:27 2012 No.9036535 >>9036352 Why don't everyone go ultra or godslayer ? Also, you can airdraw if you don't have paper and pen.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 20 02:21:02 2012 No.9038356 File: 37 KB, 600x450, America..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Godfuckingdammit, /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 20 21:13:05 2012 No.9042457 File: 157 KB, 500x430, 1333945129045.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It really confuses me when Jukugo have the same meaning as another kanji. For example, what is the difference between 世界 and 界?

>>	Sakura !RAILgUnr8s Sun May 20 21:24:49 2012 No.9042495 >>9042457 世界 refers to our general world, society, etc that we live in. 界 is just a word for a kind of world or domain or realm. That's how I understand it at least.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 20 21:27:19 2012 No.9042508 >>9031864 Oh! So you were trolling.

Anonymous Sun May 20 21:37:05 2012 No.9042549

>>9042495
界 alone is really only used as a suffix. ゲーム界, etc. You could also say ゲームの世界, but this has a slightly different nuance and meaning (the former implies "the gaming world", while the second without any context would mean "the world of games" or else possibly "the world of the game", as in an MMO or something).

Anonymous Sun May 20 21:45:20 2012 No.9042570

I've gone all the way through RtK, and I have been working on Core6k for the last ~6 months. I am able to understand the sentences fairly well, but I am not picking up the readings from context as well as I would like. Really common ones like 今日 and 私 I obviously have drilled into my brain, and a lot of others I know to a reasonable degree, but I have no idea for a lot of them.
What would you recommend for just learning readings? I am considering RtK volume 2, but I have heard it isn't that great.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 20 21:51:53 2012 No.9042605 >>9042570 >I've gone all the way through RtK There's your problem.

Anonymous Sun May 20 21:53:51 2012 No.9042611

>>9042570
>What would you recommend for just learning readings?

You have to memorize words in order to understand or pronounce them reliably.

>I am not picking up the readings from context as well

In all probability, you aren't picking up the readings correctly a third of the time either; there's no regularity to pronunciation and the rules only exist to be broken. Edge cases are the norm.

You can't read vocabulary just by memorizing kanji and on-readings.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 07:38:34 2012 No.9044672 would you reccomend reading heisig /jp/?

Anonymous Mon May 21 08:15:23 2012 No.9044727

fuck of a bitch
you would think that after a few years of study new words would be less frequent. its god damn painful to remember words which appear so infrequently that you have never seen them elsewhere. furthermore, there are thousands of words like this

why do we need 12 different grammatical patterns which mean the same thing but some are used when writing, talking, formal discussion, archaic language, regionally, talking to the boss, talking to the boss if he is eating cornflakes on a saturday

why is it that no one really converses using patterns above JLPT3 level but for some reason every article or book tries to stuff as much difficult kanji, grammar, and retarded kanyouku that when prompted, japanese people havent even heard of but somehow understand

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:22:51 2012 No.9044735 jlpt4 reporting in!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:23:05 2012 No.9044736 >>9044727 Well it's not going to become less frequent unless you hit the 15-20k mark. That's dependent on you, not so much the length of time you've been studying. And please. Japanese is babymode. >>9044672 I guess so.

>>	None !seaweedKJc Mon May 21 08:24:36 2012 No.9044738 Why the fuck are you learning Japanese? Their population is rapidly decreasing and within the next decade they will crease to exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:27:05 2012 No.9044741 >>9044738 alarmist much?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:28:53 2012 No.9044744 >>9044738 You realize nobody on /jp/ actually likes Japan right? Or that it's not actually hard to learn a language? Or that you're full of shit?

Anonymous Mon May 21 08:29:23 2012 No.9044745

>>9044727
>remember words which appear so infrequently
Seems to be your problem. Remembering them have little meaning, but a lot of effort. I believe one shouldn't do that if he is not pretty great at everything else, or some work frequents rather often. Most of the languages have same thing, japanese is not that special in this regard.

>>9042570
RtK is a deck mostly with no on-yomi and kun-yomi if I am not mistaken? If that is so, I can't really comprehend why would someone waste time on something as useless as that, when decks with both readings and translation are presented. No wonder you have some troubles now.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:29:36 2012 No.9044746 >>9044738 sugoi monogatari onii-san

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:31:05 2012 No.9044750 >>9044738 Pretty much this. Learning Japanese is a fucking waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:37:35 2012 No.9044762 >>9044744 >You realize nobody on /jp/ actually likes Japan right? Please talk for yourself. You're probably employed by the Koreans to spread this shit aren't you?

Anonymous Mon May 21 08:39:36 2012 No.9044765

Japanese is worth learning only because my one and only hope of a robot wife will inevitably come from Japan and knowing them will only speak Japanese

Rather, Japan will be the only nation to create a robot wife which actually looks cute and merit buying.

Anonymous Mon May 21 08:41:35 2012 No.9044771

>>9044750
>waste of time
Well, maybe.
But at least it is not such a waste of time as browsing and posting on 4chan, social networks, playing computer games etc.
Also, saying that on /jp/ particularly is not a wise thing, since most of /jp/ers do nothing, but waste their time in the first place.

And Japan is not really popular in my country in the first place. Japan won't cease to be significant anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:45:21 2012 No.9044778 >>9044738 WW3 will skyrocket the population

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:45:21 2012 No.9044779 >>9044762 No, he is jsut probably stupid enough to use a word like >nobody Although I personally don't like Japan. >>9044765 Hope might come, while the real thing most certainly won't, at least not in our lifetime.

Anonymous Mon May 21 08:47:50 2012 No.9044782 [DELETED]

>>9044741
The place is a xenophobic isolationist shithole. What have they accomplished other than the most atrocious war crimes? Their whole population is beta as fuck and there are no foreseeable future on when humanity will depend on that small fraction of land and its backwater language that only the island monkeys themselves use.

Anonymous Mon May 21 08:49:20 2012 No.9044786

>>9044741
The place is a xenophobic isolationist shithole. What have they accomplished other than the most atrocious war crimes? Their whole population is beta as fuck and there are no foreseeable future on when humanity will depend on that small fraction of land and its backwater language that only the island monkeys themselves use.

>>9044778
Right, like America will loose its leash and bring all their minorities back.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:52:50 2012 No.9044789 >>9044782 America has killed and will kill more people that it will make Japan look like mall food samples.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 08:57:50 2012 No.9044798 >>9044786 >beta Get out of /jp/

Anonymous Mon May 21 08:59:51 2012 No.9044801

>>9044789
No, this isn't an argument about who is the most badass.

Japan isn't relevant in the modern world. Its a whipped bitch. Learning Japanese is a fucking waste of time.

What are you going to use it for anyways? Masturbation? Because thats what 99% of the people who learned Japanese end up using it for.

Anonymous Mon May 21 09:01:06 2012 No.9044803
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>>9031810
I'll do them in an hour.
So far It's going great but in the last few days I've been neglecting a little because of stress and medication effecting my sleep hours. Yesterday I did my reps but didn't add any new Kanji to my Heisig deck.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:03:35 2012 No.9044805 >>9044801 For consuming untranslated Japanese media. Masturbation may or may not be involved.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:07:06 2012 No.9044806 >>9044801 >not relevant Of course not, most of research works are found in Japan and China, secondly in America and EU.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:09:20 2012 No.9044810 >>9044806 China puts out a shit-ton of papers but how relevant they are is up for debate.

Anonymous Mon May 21 09:10:50 2012 No.9044812

>>9044805
Because the Japanese have reached the pinnacle of modern literature right?

Who am I kidding. Even if you fucks tried to learn you lazy bums would give up after 10 minutes anyways. Enjoy lusting over that reimu vn or whatever the hell you creeps do

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:13:50 2012 No.9044820 >>9044812 Is there a single good Touhou VN or are they all on the same level than your average OELVN?

Anonymous Mon May 21 09:28:05 2012 No.9044843
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>>9044812
As a kid I started learning English because I wanted to play video games and watch cartoons.
You don't need some important reason like wanting to go to Japan in order to learn a language and it's only natural I'll learn a language so I could continue to enjoy content that's not available to me.

I don't understand what you are trying to do though, if you aren't interested then just leave the thread. Sticking around here just feels like you are waiting for someone to convince you because you're too insecure to start learning by yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:31:06 2012 No.9044847 >>9044745 Is Heisig really that useless ? I get insecure everytime someone says that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:33:50 2012 No.9044855 File: 13 KB, 631x755, 1337574088832.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9044843 You seriously think I'm sticking around because I'm waiting for someone to convince me to learn Japanese. Holy shit you people are delusional.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:35:20 2012 No.9044859 >>9044855 It's fine anon you don't have to lie to us, if you had no interest in learning you wouldn't even be in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:39:21 2012 No.9044867 >>9044855 You sound like someone who tried to learn but got frustrated and quit, then came here to discourage others for self validation. It's okay, I feel like that when I'm bad stuff too, video games for example.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:39:50 2012 No.9044869 >>9044855 You sound like someone who tried to learn but got frustrated and quit, then came here to discourage others for self validation. It's okay, I feel like that when I'm bad at stuff too, video games for example.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:42:21 2012 No.9044872 >>9044859 >>9044869 Fuck off you faggots, you're making me laugh. I'm just shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:44:21 2012 No.9044879 File: 2.27 MB, 2700x2457, 1335219817998.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9044872 That's even sadder. Also. fuck Kanji.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:44:51 2012 No.9044881 I can't even tell the difference between normal posts and shitposts anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 09:50:51 2012 No.9044891 Oh god, I haven't done them in days. 298 cards to review and I have work to do today, 20 new cards to see. Whelp, look like it'll be a busy day.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 10:02:36 2012 No.9044911 I've done Core 2k, and there's still tons of words I don't understand. What would be more useful, proceeding to 6k, or just reading and constantly picking out words I don't understand to add to my Anki deck?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 10:06:05 2012 No.9044920 >>9044911 I would say read, just because it's more interesting, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 10:08:05 2012 No.9044923 >>9044911 It's personal preference. I embarked on learning the entire collection of 20k~ common words on jdict after about a year and a half of learning but I'm sure this is unattractive to most people.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 16:02:36 2012 No.9046083 I really like japan and I find the japanese language interesting and fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:07:20 2012 No.9046392 File: 5 KB, 207x67, ffffff.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] FUCK MY LIFE

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:16:50 2012 No.9046434 I'll do them this summer. It's a promise.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:20:05 2012 No.9046455 So, what's the difference between 時 and 時間? Apparently, both mean "time".

Anonymous Mon May 21 17:21:36 2012 No.9046456
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>>9046434
but summer is the best season to waste your time on /jp/. You'll have trouble learning.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:22:21 2012 No.9046460 >>9046455 時 is more of a specific time. 時間 refers to a time span.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:22:35 2012 No.9046462 File: 17 KB, 332x250, TAKE IT EASY GODDAMMIT.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9046456 You're right, I'll do the next winter.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:23:05 2012 No.9046463 >>9046455 時間 is a period of time, eg. 3時間 for three hours

Anonymous Mon May 21 17:27:53 2012 No.9046485
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Are you guys only learning how to read or also how to write kanji?
I'm doing KanjiDamage right now, just passed 1000 but I'm only learning how to read. I just want to be able to read my loli eroge as soon as possible. Learning to write just sound much more time-consuming.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:34:22 2012 No.9046509 >>9046485 I found that by having the Kanji as the answer to the SRS card I learnt both writing and reading at once. I'm not sure why I'm so bothered about writing, but it's nice to be able to do I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:42:36 2012 No.9046552 >>9046485 Can I ask the name of that 4koma ? Googling and image searching yielded no results.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:42:52 2012 No.9046553 >>9046485 I would like to practice drawing with my tablet, but the IME パッド is kinda weird. Are there alternatives for kanji recognition?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:47:36 2012 No.9046575 any recommended decks i should download

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:49:51 2012 No.9046584 >>9046552 It's from Sketchbook. Your google image search must be broken.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:50:37 2012 No.9046587 >>9046575 Kanji damage. Someone should make a deck with frequently used VN vocab. Would be helpful.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:53:52 2012 No.9046601 >>9046587 I wouldn't trust something that was first named Kanji Dicks.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:54:51 2012 No.9046605 >>9046601 the first word has Eazy as a mnemonic. Can't go wrong with my homeboy.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 17:57:37 2012 No.9046609 >>9046392 There's almost no day without 220+ reps for me. And I do them every day. For some reason the fuckers just keep on increasing. But it's not that bad, it usually takes 2 hours with short breaks.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 18:02:06 2012 No.9046621 >>9046609 How many cards are there in your decks and how many new cards do you add every day?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 18:05:07 2012 No.9046635 >>9046621 3100~ cards in total, 20 new every day.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 18:55:21 2012 No.9046863 yotsuba is cute does she come in a non loli form?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 19:01:36 2012 No.9046885 >>9046863 Why would you want that?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 20:58:37 2012 No.9047356 >>9046392 It took me 4 fucking hours but I finished it (95% retention). Now I'm spent.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 21:18:08 2012 No.9047470 >>9047356 >4 fucking hours How is that possible? Do you learn every jukugo?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 23:21:12 2012 No.9048022 >>9046601 yeah, its crass as hell, but its a good system.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 23:31:23 2012 No.9048087 Im going to read heisig and consult a dictionary or kanji damage for every thing in it, so I can get its pronunciation as well and possibly learn a jukogo or two. What anki deck does /jp/ use to supplement and retain their other study?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 21 23:33:08 2012 No.9048101 I gave up on moonrunes when I got to one that had 7 completely unrelated meanings.

Anonymous Mon May 21 23:48:25 2012 No.9048193

>>9036394
>Not to mention there are hundreds of compounds that absolutely makes no sense in terms of kanji that built a compound up.
Actually, in Chinese 少 means:
1. less, fewer
2. young
For example, 少年 "junior, youth", 少爷 "young lord" (a boy who inherits from a very rich family), et cetera.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 01:17:54 2012 No.9048469 >>9047470 No, I take 30 minute breaks every now and then.

>>	時doKI !ByRLyJvkrU Tue May 22 01:36:11 2012 No.9048505 >>9032688 I learn what it means, and some words that have it in it. I study words, not kanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:36:46 2012 No.9049210 File: 23 KB, 640x480, ana_coppola_ichigo_mashimaro2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't make me come over there and force those reps down your throat, baka /jp/!

>>	Z !.mfVjYH9UE Tue May 22 05:38:31 2012 No.9049215 Not quite on kanji, yet. I'm moving soon, and won't have computer access, I don't want to start learning kanji only to shit it all up by not having a computer for like a week, ya' dig?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:39:01 2012 No.9049219 >>9049215 You can have Anki on iPhone or Android, ya dig? >inb4 poorfag

>>	Z !.mfVjYH9UE Tue May 22 05:40:02 2012 No.9049222 >>9049215 Also I would love recommendations for Anki decks. I already have kanjidamage and Heisigs. Is that good enough? I plan on being dedicated, upon starting.

>>	Z !.mfVjYH9UE Tue May 22 05:43:31 2012 No.9049228 >>9049219 Yes, I am a poorfag. Its okay to make fun of me, I am a dirty filthy gaijin, afterall. ;_;

>>	Z !.mfVjYH9UE Tue May 22 05:48:01 2012 No.9049237 >>9049234 Thank you. I wrote all that down.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:48:16 2012 No.9049234 >>9049222 Don't mix and match KD + Heisig. Start one and stick to it. Also, look up Core2k/6k decks for sentence drilling when you feel comfortable with your kanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:52:01 2012 No.9049247 >>9049237 Also check out: http://kanji.koohii.com/study Lots of mnemonic stories for each kanji there. Mostly makes use of Heisig's primitives.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 05:52:32 2012 No.9049245 >>9049228 Fuck off with your spoilers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 11:30:50 2012 No.9050126 File: 305 KB, 270x150, tumblr_m2ihl9xqDE1r13kl6.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Added 92 Kanji from RTK yesterday. Will probably be in for a hell of a review in a few days, but I don't care! >>9049210 111 reps due today. I got this shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 11:36:05 2012 No.9050133 When I get to 50+ reps every day, I start to question the efficiency of Anki, since I spend so much time studying without actually learning anything new.

Anonymous Tue May 22 12:10:50 2012 No.9050229

>>9050133
Did you use Anki longer than three days? If you marked a card as "good" for three or four times, chances are that you won't see it again the next few weeks. There is plenty of room for new cards if you don't rush in like an idiot and add 250 cards in two days.

I don't even know why I'm bothering with typing this. Just read the manual or watch the screencast.

Anonymous Tue May 22 15:21:06 2012 No.9050942

I just realized something useful for learning languages. I remember reading not long ago that the human brain isn't suited for memorizing raw data, like facts, words, numbers, etc. It's suited for memorizing experiences. This is because the brain has existed millions of years longer than language, so it's been developed for interacting with the world, not abstract things like symbols that are supposed to have some kind of meaning.

I didn't think that much of it, until today, when I was going through a list of words I picked out of an eroge to put in Anki and memorize. I noticed the word 憐れむ, and I flashed back to the scene I took it from, remembering that the insecure flat chested heroine accused the protagonist of looking at her chest 憐れむingly. Just with recalling that, the word became so much vivid, it was so easy to recall that scene, and the word gave much more meaning than if I just tried to recall the English dictionary definition.

So I was thinking, maybe this is the big secret to efficiently remembering vocabulary? Picking out words as you play eroge or something, and using the scene and context it's from to recall the meaning, instead of trying to recall the English meaning of the word.

Also, the same book also mentioned something about the brain being good at remembering lewd stuff, so that might also be useful to keep in mind. I think I'm much more likely to remember a word I see in an ero-manga than a word I see in a newspaper.

Anonymous Tue May 22 15:25:20 2012 No.9050948

>>9050942
Good point. I usually have a much easier time remembering a word that I've seen in a VN a few times than one I've just been grinding on in Anki. I figured that was just due to having some context around it, but what you're saying might come into play as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 15:38:20 2012 No.9050988 >>9050942 Yeah, that's nice. But you're not going to get anywhere considering you'll need to learn 20,000+ words for fluency. You just have to improve your memory instead of looking for crutches.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 15:59:36 2012 No.9051120 File: 295 KB, 900x675, gununu_desuwa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Watch animu, read mango, play VNs. Much better than flashcards if you want to maintain your level of moon.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 16:07:57 2012 No.9051166 >>9051120 What are some interesting good entry level mangas?

Anonymous Tue May 22 16:16:51 2012 No.9051212

>>9050988
Actually, if what I read about it is correct, it's not a crutch at all, and will not stop being efficient as you memorize more. The book I got it from is about something called memory sports, which is basically a bunch of nerds competing in memorizing stuff fast. By applying this idea to memorizing random facts, they do shit like memorizing tens of thousands of digits of pi.

Of course, you'll want to get to the point where you remember all words without any cerebral processing. But you don't get there automatically, you need something to help you along. This is where people use the English definition of the word, which I think is much more of a crutch.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 16:20:35 2012 No.9051223 >>9050988 it's not so bad if you consider there are a much smaller number of kanji you string together in a sensible way to create words.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 22 20:36:05 2012 No.9052479 >>9051166 The one in the OP is pretty much entry level.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 23 16:06:40 2012 No.9056212 File: 65 KB, 460x552, 1323041774762.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have you done your reps today?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 23 16:13:40 2012 No.9056239 File: 25 KB, 599x486, 1334984609630.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9056212 Doing my reps right now.

Anonymous Wed May 23 16:38:50 2012 No.9056335

>>9050942
This is true. Just reading a list of words or something and trying to remember it is the worse way to study and learn. It only gives you an illusion that you're learning because you can read through the list faster or think you've learned it because it's familiar through future reads.

Anonymous Wed May 23 16:55:25 2012 No.9056407 [DELETED]

>>9032661
>You know when Japanese children are taught Japanese, they don't think up ridiculous stories to go a long with the shape and structure of the Kanji. They just write it over and over again.

They also need 9(?) years of school for the jouyou kanji

Anonymous Wed May 23 18:12:56 2012 No.9056743

>>9046635
Someone in the koohi-forums did the math:
If you add the same number of new cards each day, the daily reviews trend towards 10 to 12 times the number of new cards, so that's perfectly normal.

If you want fewer reviews, reduce the number of new cards ad it should go down

>>	Anonymous Wed May 23 19:47:41 2012 No.9057125 File: 93 KB, 351x241, 1336788044984.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9056212 Yep. Doing my daily RTK additions now. Kanji all day every day.

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