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Are Chinese and Japanese languages similar ?

>> No.8960533

reading: yes
oral: no
grammar structure: close enough

>> No.8960534
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>> No.8960541

>grammar structure: close enough
Japanese actually has modern things like punctuation and tense.

>> No.8960545

>>8960541
They didn't until we found them, though. Punctuation, at least.

>> No.8960554

Spoken Chinese sounds like dick.

>> No.8960564

About as similar as English and French

>> No.8960591

>>8960564


This...is a good way to put it. Its not quite close enough to say it'd be spanish and english.

English and french seems about right.

>> No.8960621

>>8960554
only canto sounds like dick, mandarin is fine

and the only reason to deal w/ canto is if you wanna go to college in hong kong or have family from there, and seriously only like 10% of China speaks that stuff

>> No.8961336

>>8960621
No. Tonal languages are products of the retarded.

>> No.8961343

No, not very.
They are completely different language groups. As in, Russian and English are more related than Chinese and Japanese in origin.
However, Chinese has had a lot of influence on Japanese. Idioms, loanwords, and of course the writing system.
But fundamentally they are very different.

>>>/lang/

>> No.8961350

Gonna post this again, since everyone's arguing over how languages sound. Read, then decide for yourself.

>English: I've already eaten today's dinner.
>Mandarin Chinese: 今天的晚飯我已經吃過了。/Jīntiān de wǎnfàn wǒ yǐjīng chīguò le.
>Cantonese: 今日嘅晚飯我已經食咗喇。/Gam1yat6 ge3 maan5faan6 ngo5 ji3ging1 sik6zo2 la3
>Taiwanese Hokkien: 今仔日ㄟ暗飯我已經食過矣。/Kin-á-ji̍t ê àm-pn̄g góa í-king chia̍h-kuè ah
>Japanese: 今日の晩御飯はもう食べた。/Kyō no bangohan wa mō tabeta.
>Okinawan Ryukyuan: 今日ぬ夕御飯ーなー噛だん。/Chuu nu yuu'ubanoo naa kadan.
>Korean: 오늘 의 저녁밥 은 이미 먹었다./Oneul ui jeonyeokbab eun imi meok-eotda.

>> No.8961360

Not really. Chinese belongs to the Sino-Tibetan family, Japanese(supposedly) belongs to the Altaic, which put it closer to Korean and languages like Mongolian.

Curious to think that Japanese belongs to the same language family as Turkish.

>> No.8961354

>>8961350
Fuck you, where's simplified mandarin?

>> No.8961362

>>8960533
>grammar structure: close enough
You are so wrong. Chinese grammar is closer to English than Japanese.

>> No.8961369

>>8961354
Here: 「今天的晚饭我已经吃过了」
You don’t say simplified Mandarin. It‘s the same language just written with some characters differently.

>> No.8961365

>>8960541
So does Chinese.

>Who is John Smith? I think he might be gay, I found pictures of men in his room.
>张三是谁？我想他有可能是同性恋，在他屋里面我找到男人的照片。

>> No.8961374

>>8961365
Well, Chinese does not have tenses, he has a point there. Not that it has anything to do with modern language.

>> No.8961375

>>8961369
>It‘s the same language just written with superior character set
Fixed.

>> No.8961377

>>8961354
>Fuck you, where's communism?
>>>/Baidu Tieba/

>> No.8961384

>>8961360
Chinese, Japanese and Korean were originally languages completely unrelated to one another, each from different language groups/families. However, with the borrowing of the Chinese writing system, a lot of the Chinese vocabulary was also introduced into Japanese and Korean. Hence, languages that are completely unrelated to Chinese have lots of Chinese origin words. It's a special situation, known as "sinoxenic".

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_languages
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Xenic

>> No.8961387

>>8961377
肏你媽屄

>> No.8961398

>>8961387
>using Traditional
ｗｗｗｗｗｗ　马鹿

>> No.8961403

>>8961398
Did you just use simplified for Japanese?
Incidentally, that reading means embarrassing in Malay.

>> No.8961409

>>8961403
He did, I thought it was amusing.

>> No.8961420

>>8961384
>Japanese and Korean were originally languages completely unrelated to one another

That is still disputed.

>> No.8961428

>>8961360
>Curious to think that Japanese belongs to the same language family as Turkish.

This one is disputed as well. Just because two languages have a few similar words doesn't put them in the same family.

>> No.8961443

>>8961428
Yeah, that's why I said it's curious.
I think it's more of a matter of origin than just similar words/grammar. Though I don't know about the ethnogenesis of japanese so i don't really know how related they are to the turco-mongol peoples, as the Altaic family suggests.

>> No.8961436

>>8961428
>similar words

More like a similar grammar.

>> No.8961437

Modern Japanese and Korean are essentially like creoles of Chinese and Proto-Japanese/Proto-Korean.

I frankly don't know why they're not classified as such, given that they perfectly fit the definition.

>> No.8961899

bump

>> No.8961908

Don't know about that but both cantonese and Korea sounds fucking awful compared to japanese and mandarin

>> No.8961922

why is there so many chinese here? why is there a /jp/ meme in china's wiki? why china of all things? why?

>> No.8962269

Is there actually a notable difference in how Mandarin and Cantonese sound?
I seriously have no idea.

>> No.8962480

>>8962269
Mandarin sounds significantly nicer. Still not one of my favorite sounding languages, though.

>> No.8962578

>>8962269
>>8962269
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7P_ZLnh3b4
Seems like the further south you go, the worse these languages start to sound. Mongolian sounds surprisingly nice; Korean and Cantonese are kind of irritating to listen to.

>> No.8962583

I don't know ho to read them or anything, but it was verry easy to see the differences on Japanese, Chinese and Korean for me

>> No.8962598

>>8962578
Yeah, Mongolian does actually sound fairly decent. Japanese is still my favorite Asian language in terms of sound, though. That's not even my weeabooism speaking, I've always liked it.

>> No.8962789

>>8962598
>That's not even my weeabooism speaking, I've always liked it.
I don't think I could have ever delved into otaku crap if the language was korean/chinese, they sound too brutal and rough to me.

>> No.8962816

>>8962789
Same here. Japanese one of the prettiest languages around. Chinese sounds better than Korean, but Chinese is incredibly harsh.

>> No.8962817

>>8960591
What the fuck? English is definitely closer to French than Spanish. Almost all of our fancier words come from the Normans...

>> No.8962867

>>8962578
It's probably just me and my retardness, but some words Mongolian kinda reminds me of Russian in sonority. Empashsis on kinda, but still.

Korean sounds a bit singy-songy, didn't expected that.

The south asian languages, with the exception of Hindi and maybe Thai, are all horrible.

That particular soundclip of Mandarin sounds terrible, but despite that I like that. Wu sounds nice too.

Japanese still is the best of this lot, no weeaboo

>> No.8962945

Phonetically, not at all.

Japanese and Chinese are in entirely different linguistic families.

>> No.8965284

>>8960554
I hope you appreciate how much time this took me.

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