/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

This will probably come off as trolling, but here goes.

Why everyone still obsessed over Touhou? It's stopped being entertaining a long time ago. You can only listen to the music (and it's derivatives) and play through the games so many times.
And the recent games ZUN has come up with don't have the same charm and effort put into them as they used to.
It seems Touhou is just a busted series everyone sticks with because it's popular. Artists draw Touhou porn because it's popular. Composers compose shitty arranges of ZUN's songs because they'll easily become popular.

Before the Touhou boom, there was effort put into the fanworks/official series. Why bother putting work into anything anymore? Just slap Touhou on it, and it'll sell. Now look at Comiket, 98% of it is Touhou. And more than 80% of it is utter garbage.
There is a serious lack of new content being put out there. Tell me, why do you still hold interest in Touhou?

[Anonymous No.]

People have different taste than you. Holy shit I just blew your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

This will probably come off as trolling, but here goes.

Why everyone still obsessed over anime/video games/board topic? It's stopped being entertaining a long time ago. You can only listen to the music (and it's derivatives) and play through/watch so many times.

And the recent games/shows that are release don't have the same charm and effort put into them as they used to.
It seems anime/video games/board topic is just a busted hobby everyone sticks with because it's popular. Artists draw anime porn/developers make games because it's popular.

Before the anime/video game/board topic boom, there was effort put into the fanworks/official series. Why bother putting work into anything anymore? Just slap anime/video game/board topic of choice on it, and it'll sell. Now look at Comiket, 98% of it is anime/video games. And more than 80% of it is utter garbage.
There is a serious lack of new content being put out there. Tell me, why do you still hold interest in anime/video games/board topic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686
quoting you:
>opinions opinions opinions opinions
Does it make sense now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686

You have a point about Comiket, and all of the good remixes and arranges are years old, the newer ones are poo.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care about Touhou but it's grown on me a little because of /jp/. Nevertheless I tried some doujins and they were terrible, seemed like they had very very little to do with the games. Fan games were alright though.

[Anonymous No.]

Because people like Touhou's music and characters.

I know, it's shocking to see people with a different opinion than yours.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do /a/ people keep coming to /jp/, outnumbering natives?
Isn't /a/ enough for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444702
>seemed like they had very very little to do with the games

Absolutely no doujin ever created has more than a few mentions of content related to its original source.

[Anonymous No.]

there is still doujin games and stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0JVqiUa_2g

[Anonymous No.]

The fanworks can still be nice. What does it matter they make a Touhou doujin and not a 'generic anime of the year' doujin? The latter would just mean you'd have to watch that boring show before you could even enjoy the doujin, and seeing as you won't watch all the anime shit that is made (considering most of it IS shit) isn't it great they can use something that we all know the characters and the backstory of already?

[Anonymous No.]

Is OP suggesting that everybody else should have stopped liking Touhou at the exact same moment he did?

To be honest, I love the music, and I love the effort independent artists put into the remixes and piano arrangements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444692
>>8444697
>>8444698
>>8444703
>>8444707
Butthurt faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444712
Makes sense, I barely read doujins so I wouldn't know. That does strike me as a bit sad though.

[Anonymous No.]

>Why do you still hold interest in Touhou?

Do you have an issue with people still liking touhou?
I suggest you get that sorted out before you start harming yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444716
Point proven. Go back to /a/b/v/. Reported.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is popular because people love characters and setting.

There is simply no other setting with so many girls with magical powers and weird clothes around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444716
Go away OP, we're trying to have a mature discussion here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444722
>>8444725
Not the OP. U mad, morons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444728
I never said you were the OP. Regardless, still reported for trolling.

[Tokiko No.]

Attention!
Bumping threads is an /a/ related habit. It doesn't belong on /jp/. So if you post in a thread and intend to bump it, kindly leave.

Unlike the members of other boards, we that frequent /jp/ know the correct usage of sage and apply it at all times. We are not self-entitled attention whores and we display such a mindset in every post we make.

Now that this is settled, please continue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444716
>>8444728

Fuck off OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444729
Suck my cock, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

Newfriends.

That's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444730
I never said you did. Reported for moron.

[Anonymous No.]

Feel the anger in my post, OP. I am infuriated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444731
Anti-sage for Tokiko

[Anonymous No.]

I've never even played a single Touhou game. I just enjoy the fanart. I'm mostly here for the NEET threads.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou has become popular. That sucks, but it's true.
Somewhere around IN and PCB, ZUN sold himself.
Now, all we have are ghosts of all those good things.
That has made me browse /jp/ only because of the VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444793
I am deeply sorry you see things that way.
Meanwhile, I'm able to enjoy the series still and have done so since the 5th game.

ZUN hasn't changed at all, it's just you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444715
It's just the decline in quality that made me lose interest. And it's hard to find good arranges nowadays. I personally don't like downloading terabytes of music each Comiket and sort through a bunch of shit just to find a few songs.

>>8444719
It's not that I have an issue with people liking Touhou, but the fact that has become the only thing /jp/ is known for.
There's very little discussion anymore. Most of what I see now is 9 pages of shitposting. And guess what most of those threads involve? Touhou. And if it's not shitposting, then it's just image dumps. People can go to pixiv or the boorus for that.

I feel that there has been a declining sense of unity in /jp/. It's kind of sad. It's like seeing someone you care about turn away from you and become the thing that you both used to hate the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444875
>I feel that there has been a declining sense of unity in /jp/.

By posting like this you're only contributing towards this declining sense of unity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444875
>And if it's not shitposting, then it's just image dumps. People can go to pixiv or the boorus for that.

But this is an imageboard. If images dumps bother you that much I'd suggest using text boards only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444908
No, he's actually right. Reposts of shit we can find ourselves are stupid. Those threads are cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's not go any further.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444951
Its been that way since the beginning, and 4chan is cancer

If you don't like image threads, stop going to a god damned imageboard, 4chan even has textboards for your kind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444900
By posting like what?
I'm not trying to attack the people who like Touhou. It just makes no sense to have as many (unrelated) threads about it as we do now. /jp/ is not Touhou Culture, and it should not be treated as such.

>>8444959
It doesn't take much effort to hide a thread.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see anything wrong with Touhou, how ZUN made it. I love the music, both deriving from the games and doujin circles.

What has always been shitty is the excessively stupid fandom. If there weren't so much weeaboo's, OP would maybe still see the true value in the games ZUN has made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444977
Not >>8444951
People can go to >>>/c/ for that shit. If you can't find images on your own, then you shouldn't even be here. We're not here to spoonfeed you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444987
It doesn't take much effort to go to the the archives and read the other 20 "/jp/ is different" threads we had yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

To be fair, the same could be said for pokemon, and that has it's own board

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445005
I'll say it again, if you don't like image threads, stop going to imageboards. If you haven't happened to notice, image threads also have discussions in them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445025
Even moot has spoken out against imagedumps. You don't have a leg to stand on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445005
Oh boy this argument again. I don't think your average /jp/-er would be a good fit in /c/ when the /jp/ image threads also get /e/ and /h/ pictures, and when other boards would rather NOT be flooded with Touhou stuff. Also >>8445025

>>8444875
I'm sorry most of the shitposting on /jp/ has been off-board spam and troll threads.

[Anonymous No.]

The stagnation in the arrange music is just everyone imagination + nostalgia goggles. I can mention a ton of good circles that debuted post 2009.

I'd hate spoon-feeding a bunch of buttmad jerk though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445046
Try coming up with a valid argument rather than weak listings of support. If you don't like /jp/'s current state, making 3 threads a day about it won't change a god damned thing.

[Anonymous No.]

The games were never charming to begin with.
Stop deluding yourself.

0/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445064
>weak listings of support
>the site owner
Uhhh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445071
Until moot comes down here and turns /jp/ in to a text board, you're pretty much out of luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445078
He can also just tell the mods to ban everyone who starts an imagedump thread.

Nice try, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445071
Send moot an e-mail if you're unhappy.
I'm sure he'll help you HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445046
For the sake of curiosity, mind linking the post or place he mentioned that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445063
/v/ syndrome. Anyway its funny seeing the faggots in this thread argue like we are on /v/.
If you enjoy something you enjoy it. If you don't, you don't easy as that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445098
I think it was back on /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445089
The likelyhood of that happening is many times lower than this thread getting a threadban for being more meta-whining.

Nicr try, though.

[Anonymous No.]

Sup OP

It would seem that Touhou simply wasn't for you.
Now, just because of that, there's no need to insult the people who like Touhou or the people making Touhou fanworks. I find it very disrespectful and not very productive at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686

>Why everyone still obsessed over Touhou?

Just because. I love almost everything about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445124
>/jp/
>productive

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445134
You sound like a manchild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445046
Haha wow. Are you putting moot, a /b/tard who made canv.as, as a source of your argument? How new are you?

moot didn't know shit about imageboards when he made 4chan and he seems to know even less now. If you don't like images, 4chan has textboards. Or if you use imageboards only for having discussions with reaction pictures and other unrelated images then go back to /a/.

[Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE No.]

>>8445144
People cant like things for no reason?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445144

I am. Anything else you want to point out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445098
Here I found it.
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/19207151/#p19207517

I don't know why we should care about the opinion of someone who posts on /soc/, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445156
>moot
>knowing shit about imageboards
>just running the largest imageboard in the world for over 8 years
Get out, kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445189
He just stated his dislike for them then stated that 4chan is an imageboard in a "it can't be helped" manner.

[Anonymous No.]

You are now aware that 4chan had image replies before Futaba Channel, and that image dumps were literally impossible until moot made it so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445189
Gaia's been around for a long time too, I guess that makes them the authority for running forums?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445189
Not him, but he didn't know what tripcodes were after founding 4chan, and he didn't even seem to know that Hiroyuki was the founder of 2ch and not Futaba when they appeared on Nicolive last year.
Also greentext goes in /a/.

>>8445215
Yes, I think you're right. I haven't seen definite proof about this though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445220
I'm sure you could do better, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445238
I don't need to know how to lay an egg to be able to point out a bad one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445235
> Yes, I think you're right. I haven't seen definite proof about this though.
archive.org

[Kilgamayan !2BklmILFiE No.]

The interesting thing about Touhou is that, as strong as nostalgia goggles are becoming, the amount of time people have had to settle into the fandom is really starting to pay off in some of the most entertaining aspects of the fandom in the fangames. There was a time when things like Super Marisa Land and Concealed the Conclusion were the biggest deals around. Now we have completed projects like DynaMarisa, Scarlet Symphony/Stranger's Requiem, Nitroid, Genius of Sappheiros/Devil of Decline, Sky Arena, the new Youmu Ys game, the new Sanae RPG game, and so on. The quality of fangames has shot up dramatically, and with new standards for fangames being set all the time, I can only imagine that they're going to keep getting better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445251
You couldn't even lay the egg.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445281
And?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445281
do you need to be a practicing player to criticize a team?

[Anonymous No.]

>People have been saying this for years. Any board that is remotely popular becomes nu/b/.

He at least is right with one thing.
moot I mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445262
I can't find any useful snapshots of 4chan.net, and 4chan.org blocks robots so I can't access any snapshot.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>listening to bad Touhou remixes all day: acceptable and nerd trendy

>>listening to bad Sonic the Hedgehog (or whatever video game) remixes all day: unacceptable and autismic

This is my only issue with the modern 2hu fandumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445356
Welcome to the internet, you're opinion is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445178
From what I can infer, it seems he (and big part of /a/) hates imagedumps because they already have a sister board exlusively for that (/c/). /jp/ doesn't have that division so I think it's okay here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445356
post a good Touhou remix you negro

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445393
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YoSJNryA7E

[Anonymous No.]

OP, why are you so obsessed over eating? I mean, its not like you can suck down vitamin pills and drink sugared tea for calories. Food stopped being tasty when fast food came and you tried every single dish out there for the 10th time.

Before teh fast food eating boom people actually ate mothers home cooking.

So tell me op, why do you still waste your time eating?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445431
You're really terrible at this.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember reading one of the Touhou questionnaires that thwiki.info did. A lot more people appreciated Touhou more for its characters, music, and setting than its gameplay (which is already pretty good, in my opinion).
http://thwiki.info/th/vote7/result_anq.html
Here it was. At the very bottom. This was the seventh, which was conducted at the beginning of 2010.
(Speaking of which, there's going to be another one this year...they're apparently delaying it for the new ZUN book coming out)
(Rough translation) Which three aspects of the Touhou series do you find the most appealing:
Out of 22207 people:
Characters 74.61%
Music (Original GST) 84.78%
Fictional world-setting 40.14%
Enjoyability as an STG 22.58%
Secondaries (playing/enjoying) 22.47%
Music arranges 14.95%
Just put up the stats that seemed the most significant/relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686
When I try to open that picture it directs me to the 4chan homepage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445809
>gameplay
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/gameplay/

[Floex !2dWQG/dNBk No.]

>>8445812

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445815
Go away, icy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444959
People can like Touhou however much/long they want, but
>Just slap Touhou on it, and it'll sell.
this phenomenon really is an unfortunate consequence of it all. It's difficult to find a reason to make anything that isn't Touhou.

Try to make an original work, and unless you have a true blockbuster on your hands, if you'd made it Touhou it would have been more successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686
People can like Touhou however much/long they want, but
>Just slap Touhou on it, and it'll sell.
this phenomenon really is an unfortunate consequence of it all. It's difficult to find a reason to make anything that isn't Touhou.

Try to make an original work, and unless you have a true blockbuster on your hands, if you'd made it Touhou it would have been more successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686
I much rather suck some filthy patchy anus rather than titty. I would prefer it in fact ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445815

This guy is a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445895
True, perhaps. But it's rather cold to presume that this is what everyone is doing.

Sure, you can slap Touhou on pretty much anything, but I personally think it takes more to go far. Incidentally, it sells because people love Touhou, and people started drawing Touhous because they loved them. If people didn't love Touhou there wouldn't be any artwork to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

Joke's on you OP, I've always browsed /jp/ for everything except Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

I basically love everything about Touhou except the actual danmaku series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8446030
Congratulations, you're a secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8446060
He's an elite secondary. What are you? Some bullshit primary who's awful at shooters in general?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8446060
>>8446069
Yes, I am a secondary. Is that derogatory here? Don't start an argument for my sake.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is generic shit. Why /jp/ can unironically assert that it has superior taste and then ramble on and on about the merits of Touhou is beyond me. Cognitive dissonance much?

[Anonymous No.]

I lost interest in Touhou around when UFO came out. I don't really play the actual games anymore, I definitely don't waste my time on crappy Touhou-based doujin games like I used to, and I don't even look up much Touhou fanart. I just look up specific artists that I like, all Mystia art, and occasionally Remilia or Tewi. Only Touhou H-doujinshi I bother downloading now are by my favorite artists or if the cover just looks too good to resist (then in the latter case half the time it turns out to be disappointing and I delete right away).

And I never downloaded Touhou remixes even when I was still really into Touhou, drives me crazy how they're like 95% of every comiket thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686
fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>8446092
>>8446171
I have a feeling you people are part of the ones who do nothing but shitpost on /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8446199
fuck no, I stay away from /jp/ most of the time now simply because it's nothing but shitposting and occasional Touhou. I'm here for VNs and other doujin games, but discussion of those is so infrequent that I end up spending way more time on /a/ now (after I avoided /a/ like the plague for years after the split).

I just felt like getting it off my chest when I saw this thread, but yeah I guess I can see how my post would make me sound like someone who lost interest in /jp/ yet still hangs around just to shitpost

[Anonymous No.]

>>8446285
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444713
>there is still doujin games and stuff.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0JVqiUa_2g
>Touhou Blue Temple ～ The Genius of Sappheiros

You cite that as an example of a 'good' doujinsoft? It looks like an outdated (retro) Final Fantasy game that was modded with Touhou sprites. Am I the only one who's sick of people at Comiket taking an existing game and painting Touhou on it? Here's some examples:
-MegaMari (Megaman with Touhou sprites).
-Super Marisa World (Super Mario World with Touhou sprites).
-Koumajou Densetsu (Castelvania with Touhou sprites).

And so on.

[【スパーキー（④ ＾ヮ＾）】⚡ !FCr.DTJy2k!!54bDy3LQvy8 No.]

>>8444686
I have 0% interest in touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>8448933
You realise nobody wants you alive, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8448933
0/10
trying too hard kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>8448920
>outdated (retro)

Given the current state of gaming, this is a good thing, and you should know it.

Especially if you subscribe to the "mechanics are more important than contents" school. There's literally nothing new (much less new and good) coming out recently anyway, so why not just copy the good sources and be frank about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8444686
>more than 80% of it is utter garbage.
Considering Sturgeon's law, that's actually better than average.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8445356
The problem with Sonic the Hedgehog (or whatever video game) remixes is that they don't have ten thousand conventions per year dedicated to them, where millions of new arrange albums are released, so getting arranges of them is a bit harder.
I guess I could lurk OCRemix for a bit and try to find something nice, though, but I am a lazy person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8448920
>It looks like an outdated (retro) Final Fantasy game that was modded with Touhou sprites.
And it's a bad game because it looks like another game! How dare people not be 100% original!
Also, I'm pretty sure you completely lost the point of these games somewhere. These games exist because some fans wanted to make a Touhou-based [game] clone, not because it sells millions. Don't tell me that Super Meat Boy with a sheep (did it ever get uploaded?) is better than all of those simply because it has an original character instead of Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8449046
Retro != good.

Please wipe that smegma off of your nostalgia goggles please. The fact of the matter is this, a lot of retro games are outdated. There are some classics out there that stand the test of time and are perfect in their simplistic form, but most can be (and has been) improved.

I just wish more of the Touhou fan games were like Cavestory. Cavestory takes what's good of several retro classics and improves on them. As long as Cavestory exist, I won't allow you apologist get away with your bullshit.

Your fag status:
☑ TOLD
☐ NOT TOLD

[Anonymous No.]

>>8451861
If you are the same person as that (and you most likely are, given how you brought this thread back from hell), you haven't even played those "retro" Touhou games that suck so much, so you can't really opine on them and compare their retroness with Cave Story. So yeah, TOLD REVERSAL. As for improvements, most of the ones I've played so far did have a few things that were different from the games they were based on, but since I am incompetent I don't know if they're improvements or not. All I know is that I had fun playing them.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if the people here actually play the games. From what I see, it's just buttwankery about the music and the art.

Which is kind of sad, because music is mediocre and the art is shitty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8452107
There are good games and there are bad ones, just like all fan games. Since some people actually enjoy those games, you would have to assume they are fun to some people.

Just don't be ignorant and believe that your opinion is somehow a fact. "Art is shitty and music is mediocre" applies to any and everything. There will always be people who think like that and there will be ones that do not.
That is the beauty of opinions you know? If there were many more people following your opinion, then maybe you are right, but then again, most people don't care that much to input their opinions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8452713
There's limits to subjectivity. The God Father I & II are better than the God Father III. This isn't an opinion it's a scientifically provable fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8452723

When it comes to touhou music, if you like 75% of the songs, its questionable to know if you actually like the songs, or if you like the touhou label. I have given touhou music an extensive listen-through, and there are some gems, some gold, some copper and some poo. Its fine though, it really is. Whats wrong with that? No one has the capability to make a fresh song that is a great hit Every.Single.Time. When it comes to touhou music, you have to understand its origins. It's for a video game, its for about 1-2 minutes of a section of gameplay. Of course theres going to be some floppy songs, but its amazing that theres some songs that are still being arranged to this very day (even some because they are good songs and not because of their origins!).

I don't support blindly arranging 2hu songs for the label, thats something I hate. When you see a song and you think "not from touhou, not gonna bother" thats when you should hit yourself in the dick. Vice versa as well "oh man its 2hu i love it gonna put it on my playlist!"

It really isn't a bad thing or an insult to say that some of ZUNs songs are not good, one mans creativity just cant make a super hit every time. It's okay! I still admire ZUN for his talents and the surprising amount of great songs that will be with me forever.

Ill name some songs that will live with me for eternity:
Septette for the Dead Princess
Kagome-Kagome
Infinite Nightmare
Broken Moon
Centennial Festieval for Magical Girls

In short: I do not support actively targetting a mans music because a hefty portion of it is mediocre. However, I also do not support actively praising a mans music because SOME of his songs are great. Just because chocolate is brown doesn't mean everything that is brown is tasty.

[Anonymous No.]

The music never gets old for me. I also like the characters and the various fan art associated with them. As for the actual games, I've never liked. I prefer Cave shooters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8452809
Mah nigga.