/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Okay I know I'm late as fuck on this, but with Fate/Zero being a current thing, I decided to dive into the Fate/Stay Night visual novel.

Anyway, I wanted to ask: Does this bitch have aspergers or something? She talks to everyone like they're nothing but objects and can't seem to grasp even the most basic of emotional signals from anyone. Seriously, what's her problem?

[Anonymous No.]

she's a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039950

Her problem is that she's an irrational bitch/anime waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a bit upset I chose today to get banned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039959,1
Is there something you want to say?

[Anonymous No.]

>Rin
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

RIn really didn't have a route if you ask me, it kind of wasn't even focused on her at all or really even about her.

[Anonymous No.]

She's a slut going through cock withdrawal.
Or this >>8039954

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039959,2

I will take any excuse to post in a Type-Moon thread. We haven't had any good ones lately.

I'd just want to participate, not say anything in particular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039970

What is this shop based on? Who's the starting point?

[nght_of !kNGhTSucXc No.]

I always thought some kind of daddy complex that makes her despise every man that's not her father, but then she met Shiro and I realized she was
just stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039950
But Shirou is a thing. A sword. A dull one at that.

[Anonymous No.]

ANOTHER thing that kinda got me scratching my head was that if you choose to go to the temple right away, you get your ass shanked by Caster.

However if you DON'T, then Saber ends up going alone and she fights Assassin? And then Shirou shows up anyway? And then nothing happens?

Man what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039995

Some of the cause/effect relations in FSN aren't entirely logically sound. This is symbolic commentary of the unpredictable nature of causality and fart poop butt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039995
Shiro poops swords and then all dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040003
This is honestly the best summary of FSN I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.]

Nasu is a godawful writer

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get why some people seem to think Rin is a bitch.
Is some mild sarcasm and teasing really too much for you guys?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040023
We hate her exactly because of that. She acts like your average selfish 3D pig instead of an unrealistically perfect 2D waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040022
Don't you mean Takajun is a godawful translator?

[Crimson Annihilator No.]

>>8040023
Ditch that bitch.
Come play with me instead, and make me some omelette.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040040
Only she uses a momento from her dad father to save Shirou's life before the prologue is even done. Rin tries be a coldly logically magus, but she really is too nice to pull it off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040062
>don't need foreplay she said.

[Anonymous No.]

The sex scenes are also pretty awkward/hilarious.

[「ロリアキ」 No.]

>>8040041
I'd say both are true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040064

It did lead to Shirou getting a good stage name if he ever goes into porn.

JACKU HAMMA

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, is there really porn in this? What the fuck? From what I've been reading, porn wouldn't make sense at all.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sad that there's so little porn of that one bad ending in heaven's feel. You know the one...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040078
Magic and sex are always closely related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040078
You don't even know about the mana exchange? Maybe you should leave the board so you don't get hit with other spoilers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040078
Mana transfer = Sex

Fate: Shirou! Berserker is catching up to us! Let's have hot threesome with Saber to give here mana for the upcoming fight.

UBW: Shirou! The only way you can utilize the Reality Marble is to have hot sex with me and stack up on mana!

HF: Senpai! A magical cockworm is forcing me to get penetrated and if I don't, I will go batshit crazy!

[Anonymous No.]

But of course Rin is a bitch and it's funny how fanboys are trying to find any DEEP explanation of her behavior when she's just a generic tsundere-supporter of the main character(s) Saber and Shirou.

She's also pretty obsessed with dickings, yep masturbated on ShirouxSaber, had sex with Shirou (and Shinji, Lancer, Archer behind the scenes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039950
>Does this bitch have aspergers or something?
Quite possibly yeah.
>She talks to everyone like they're nothing but objects and can't seem to grasp even the most basic of emotional signals from anyone.
Yet you don't seem to have any idea about actual Aspergers or anything related to high functional autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040113
>yep masturbated on ShirouxSaber
And you wouldn't?

[Anonymous No.]

I know that feel OP. I hate Rin too. Stupid Twin Tailed bitch should fuck off for awhile while I have Shirou choosing his own battles and tag teaming Gilgameshes anus with Saber.

I'll never forgive you Nasu for not giving a route called "NO HELP FROM RIN". HF came close to that, but then she sticks her head in at the end.

>>8040431

He's probably just complaining more about Rin rather than trying to support the whole "Does she have assburgers?" thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040113
Rin: Saves Shirou's life multiple times
Sakura: Tries to destroy the world
Which one is supposed to be a bitch, again?

[Anonymous No.]

Rin's personality may be shit to some, but I feel her actions redeem any sort of hatred one could hold against her, at the very least.

[Anonymous No.]

Rin is tsundere done right, with snark and sarcasm rather than over-reactions and violence. Also, Shirou would have been royally fucked if Rin wasn't explaining everything to him every step of the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040681

>Shirou would have been royally fucked if Rin wasn't explaining everything to him every step of the way.

Exactly why FSN wasn't any good

[Anonymous No.]

I liked the prologue where you play as the smug bitch.

But no, you're stuck in Mr. YOU LOST ME.

Fuck this shit. I might as well play as the bitch instead of having her teach the retard how to breathe, but I guess her not having a penis doesn't qualify her to get mad hax in Nasu's universe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039950
She's really a lonely girl, isolated from being the heir to a prestigious line of magi. She isn't able to communicate feelings well.

[Anonymous No.]

>can't seem to grasp even the most basic of emotional signals from anyone
Yes, that does describe one of the main characters, but Rin is not who comes to mind.

I quite liked the exchange between Archer-Rin, since they're both smart-asses, but it's really wasted on Shirou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040744
Oh come on. Cut the guy some slack.
If you look at the actual content Shirou comes off as a guy that is in fact notably considerable at reading people. He just have bit of a quirk to him under certain situations.

Initially, he blatantly olbivious to the notion of someone possibly actually endearing such feelings for him, and it's in fact very easy to assume that he in fact might even have thought that no one should love a guy like him, being the empty and self-destructive guy he felt made him.

It's always when related to himself. And he doesn't even really begin to accept that he too could have a loving relationship until much later.

Otherwise Shirou knew others very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040709

> I guess her not having a penis doesn't qualify her to get mad hax in Nasu's universe

Several of the most hax people in Nasu are women. Playing as the most useless guy in the setting was part of the point. Rin is still more powerful anyway.

[Saten !RuikoS6Dzs No.]

Sudo~

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040822
Isn't the only one who likes Rin.

[Sudo !Tohsaka8ks No.]

>>8040023
Because they can't handle a strong woman that isn't deredere all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

Rin is mostly dere. She hardly beats the MC up for no reason like other tsundere. She says shit about killing her own sister but she's too nice to do it. She saves MC every goddamn time.

If she is a bitch you need to watch this thing called ZnT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040880
Tsun is actually more about being a tease than to be outright violent and or to carry actual malicious intent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040880
>She hardly beats the MC up for no reason
This has what to do with tsun?

The point is she is rather cold to Shirou in the beginning while at the end being dere for him. Tsundere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040908
Being cold is less hostile than engaging in outright violence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040927
And?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040078
I had that reaction ages ago when I got to that part.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get all the Rin hate. I don't remember much about the VN, but I don't remember ever feeling insulted or anything by her. Maybe because she acts like I'd actually expect an expert on a subject talking to a complete noob on said subject. It's just realistic.

On the other hand, I disliked Sakura since the "living with a girl? I'm fucking moving in" scene. My osananajimi can't be this cliche.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8041395
>osananajimi
>Sakura

[Anonymous No.]

>>8041522
It's the archetype, I know they don't know each other for that long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040661
>Which one is supposed to be a bitch, again?

Sakura is a poor victim of extremely mind/body-breaking abuse thanks to her beloved parents that threw her away. Meanwhile Rin has perfectly fine childhood, genki da~yo, sex symbol of the school, etc. Rich tsundere bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040826
>Because they can't handle a strong woman that isn't deredere all the time.

Ahahahahahaha.wav
You know, only weak pussies find tsundere-girls attractive just because they need to be dominated by them and cannot into normal relationships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8042184
> perfectly fine childhood
having your sister stolen, father killed and your mother going nuts before ten hardly qualifies as perfectly fine childhood. Not comparable to what Sakura had to go through, but still.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8041590
Shiro is the only thing keeping her sane and not horribly broken.

[Anonymous No.]

SOMEBODY RECOMMEND TO ME VISUAL NOVELS OR EROGE

[Anonymous No.]

>>8042193
>having your sister stolen

Not like she cared at all about that.

>father killed and your mother going nuts before ten hardly qualifies as perfectly fine childhood. Not comparable to what Sakura had to go through, but still.

Her father always kept a distance so I guess it wasn't a big loss for her but who cares, nothing bad happened with her even if she lost her parents. Nothing at all, all TM-victims like Kohaku, Sakura or Asagami had waaaay more cruel life behind their shoulders.
Rin is a typical school #1 generic tsundere, she doesn't even suffer like Asuka from NGE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8042207
Just because there's people who suffered more it doesn't mean she didn't. In any other game it'd be a tragic enough childhood.
>Rin is a typical school #1 generic tsundere
Right, I guess I posted a couple of times too many already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8042191
>just because they need to be dominated by them and cannot into normal relationships.
It's somehow as if you don't get the concept of a tsundere at all.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>8040880
Rin does kill Sakura in Mind of Steel and Geas bad ends. She's not that nice.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I thought most of /jp/ liked tsunderes, I'm actually proud to find out you don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8043191
liking or disliking entire archetypes is pretty stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040826
>>8042191
I hate people like this, who constantly need to argue "liking [archetype] makes you [negative character trait]". They're basically implying that you should define yourself by what kind of characters you're attracted to. It's like people who choose what music to listen to based on the image it gives them, only worse somehow.

>no brah i'm not the kind of guy to put up with any shit from a woman, i prefer meek and submissive women so i can be the boss in the relationship, that's how i roll man
>look at me man, i'm so fucking manly that i could only be satisfied with a woman who is at least as strong as me, what's the matter boy, can't handle that?

Fucking douches, both of you.

[Anonymous No.]

OP here. Just got to this scene.

Gilgamesh is Alpha among Alphas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8043247
Go for the true end

[Anonymous No.]

Saber gonna get raped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8043247
Damn right, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8043252
>>8043324
>>8043337
Am I really the only one who hated him, and thought he was a horrible fighter who can only rely on gate?

[Anonymous No.]

OP again.

If Shirou can reproduce any sword, why doesn't he reproduce Ea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044011
Don't they go over that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044014
Yes, OP is just retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044011
The materials needed to reproduce Ea don't exist within Unlimited Blade Works, as they are not Earthly in origin. Even if you can see the plan for something's creation, if you don't have the materials, it's useless. It's a similar reason as to why Excalibur cannot be crafted correctly: it's like a machine with parts missing, because they simply can't be replicated, so the machine works, but is degraded and threatens to break at any moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044014
Yes. Therefore, no one should answer him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044011
Ea is made of primordial materials that do not exist on Earth. It's a weapon that predates the concept of a "sword" and is only referred to as such because of its ability to cleave the world in two.

i.e. typical Nasuverse fare

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044014
>>8044019
Oh, okay cool, I didn't know if they answered it or not. I'll keep reading.

[Anonymous No.]

WOW. ALPHA AMONG ALPHAS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8043159
But that was Shiro's decision wasn't it? She just spared making him do it himself. Though I only remember one of those bad ends.
I never understood how saving the world AND keeping your body alive, plus and Illya, and a number of other people, was a "bad end". It should be considered a "normal end" or a "pragmatic end" or the like.

>>8042184
Having a traumatic childhood doesn't excuse you from having murderous tendencies, and acting on them. Yes, it may be understandable. No, it doesn't make you any less of a bastard/bitch. And you shouldn't go unpunished either, as Sakura goes on both her ends, and a number of bad ends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044051
For the same reason Sparks Liner High is considered just an "End".
lolNasu.
Though, Sparks Liner High was probably the best scene in all of HF.

[Anonymous No.]

>Tohsaka Rin

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044062
You mean Rider.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044059
Which one was Sparks Liner High again?
How do you people remember all of the names? Or have you played it recently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044103
The one where Shirou fights Dark Saber and wins, albeit at the cost of his mind.
And I only know the names of MoS and SLH.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044097
They just made it as a dirty dream with Rider, but it was originally supposed to be an H-scene with Rin that they decided to get rid of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044103
Mind of Steel and Sparks Liner High are very often thrown around by armchair eroge writers, it doesn't take much to remember the names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044106
Source or shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044051
>Having a traumatic childhood doesn't excuse you from having murderous tendencies
Having all evils of the world corrupting her mind does, though.
>acting on them.
She never does, except for Shinji, Kotomine, Hassan and Zouken. Angra Mainyu was the one responsible, and it got its punishment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044134
I only read it off of here on /jp/. It was never explained that it was really Rider. If you think about it the setting sun during the scene would make it fit perfectly with Rin's good end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044187
>the setting sun
Yeah, and the mood of that ending perfectly fits that rather nightmarish sex scene too right.

>trusting anons on /jp/ without asking for sources/investigating yourself
Full retard.

It's not the first time that Nasu has you fuck in your dreams, and that one's very off-character for Rin and Shirou. Also, while yes, Rin getting only one sex scene seems odd and there may have been plans to have another one, that doesn't mean it'd have been like this one, or even using the same CG's. The way I see it, they/Nasu choose Rin for this scene because she's the heroine with less sex scenes, and that's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044162
>conveniently ignoring the rest of the conversation
Kotomine confirms Sakura is the one doing the killings using Angra Mainyu's power, but retaining control of her actions. She doesn't mean to kill every person she killed, but her murderous thoughts plus the power of the Grail made it happen.

It's as if you were a sociopath and you could people with a thought. You'd be killing person after person without even meaning to, but doesn't excuse you from all those murders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044162
I forgot to add, being corrupted by "all the evils in the world" doesn't make you evil. Remember Shirou's fight vs Kotomine in Fate? When he gets into contact with it, he doesn't consider turning evil but his mind gets almost broken instead.

The reason Sakura's mind doesn't break is because -it's already broken- Avenger is protecting her while it's yet to be born.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044187
> It was never explained that it was really Rider
It's implied from one of her conversation with Shirou. And how many characters do you know that have square pupils? Rin sure as hell doesn't normally.

[Anonymous No.]

OP here again.

I'm on UBW, now and jesus fuck I've heard CASTAA NO MASTAA like, a hundred fucking times in the last ten minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

....
EMIYA SHIROU: MASTER DETECTIVE

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045152
I was looking forward to some touching and gasping

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045152
I absolutely didn't remember that guy.

>>8045085
I didn't remember I played it without voices either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040078
>porn
There is no porn, only CG dragons

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045152
Continued.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045264

Life must be a constant string of incomprehensible mysteries for Shirou.

[OP No.]

...Oh my god Kuzuki just fucking RUINED Saber's shit. Like, straight up NO FUCKING CONTEST.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045152
I don't get it.
>>8045264
It would have made more sense with this image.
Are there any more situations like these?

[Anonymous No.]

So... umm, why is Shirou this dumb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045495
Shirou is secretly a neutron star. This is why he is so dense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045495
He's incredibly smart, he just isn't understood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045495

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045511
So this is the politically correct excuse we use nowadays to not hurt the feelings of dumbasses? Interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

One of these days, we should compile all of the hilariously stupid things Shirou does, thinks, or says in FSN. There's probably a reason why he's thought of as a bumbling idiot even in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045544
We did. In 2008, when everyone else read the VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045544
>There's probably a reason why he's thought of as a bumbling idiot even in Japan.

Cause he needs Rin to do pretty much everything for him,thats why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045562
Then why don't we have that compilation now? We can't mess with newsluts who only watched the anime without one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045544
>even in Japan.
But he isn't really. They made a few crackjokes on his inability to swallow romantic approaches, and it spawned a few doujins.

They do nothing of the sort resembling "Hurr Shirou is dumb/dense" that you see on /a/, or here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045544
Half of that is due to poor translating, the other half is standard eroge mc denseness fare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8045544
in fact, the very first thing Shirou tells Rin is something obvious.
"You're up early, Tohsaka."

[Anonymous No.]

>>8046548
shit like 早いな is perfectly common

[Anonymous No.]

>>8046559
well, even Tohsaka thought it was weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8046563
She reacted on the notion of him reacting to her being up early.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>8044051
In the Geas bad end Shirou decides to save Sakura, but Rin uses the geas she put on him to paralyze him while she kills Sakura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8046943
"Having killed Matou Sakura, Rin will go mad unless she obtains the Holy Grail.
She will try to win for her beliefs and you will try to destroy the grail for your ideal."

The only reason people put her as heartless here sometimes is because of how the empathy/sympathy scene was translated/written and how people misunderstood it completely, failed the point of it, and interpreted it in ways almost opposite of what it actually tried to convey.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit Lancer is a total fucking bro.

[Anonymous No.]

OP again. I'm almost done with UBW and I have to ask.

What the fuck happened to Fuji-nee after being held hostage by Caster? Is she STILL at Rin's place? She just kind of drops off of the map after that bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8047040
Was the text always this big?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8047244
For some reason, it's big for me. I have no idea why, but it doesn't really cause any problems, so I've ignored it.

[Anonymous No.]

I like this VN.

[Anonymous No.]

Kind of off topic but I just read the crossover Hill of Swords and have to say it was an awing experience, if the vn is even half as good I'll have to finally get around to reading the fate/stay night vn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8039950
The problem is yours, for failing to understand the charm of the best heroine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8047331
She's annoying, doesn't develop and her route isn't even about her.

[Anonymous No.]

Saber is ankward and silly.
Rin is the worst kind of tsundere you may ever dread to encounter.
Sakura is a slut.
Pick your poison op.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8047331
>best heroine
>the one who actually went ahead and got preggers with another man in another route
Until I get confirmation that Arturia actually wanted to bone Lancelot, Rin isn't all that good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8047345
>Sakura is a slut.
How?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8047347
I don't particularly like Rin but that was plenty motivated by how magi families work in the setting, and despite what moege would make you believe the heroines lives go on even without the main character in the picture.
That's a pretty shitty reason to dislike her.

[Anonymous No.]

Non virgin = slut

[Anonymous No.]

Welp, Unlimited Blade Works True and Good End complete! Time for Heaven's Feel!

Though I'm not sure if it gets any better than the UBW Good End, though. Dat delicious implied three way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8047957
In case you're not doing a "get all bad ends"-run, you should at least get the mentioned "Sparks Liner High" bad end. It's awesome.

When Rider comes to kill you, pick #1 or #2
NOT #3 "Give her the answer to the previous question."

[Anonymous No.]

>>8040711

Well, while I wouldn't say she is a bad person, she IS kind of lacking in the wisdom department. She is supposed to be the guardian of the city, and yet allows a war like this to happen on it, expecting the Masters not to attack people, and the Church to handle issues with frackin' Heroic Spirits, and the fact that there have been civilian casualties in past wars. She's got great intelligence, but below average wisdom.

That and pure common sense should tell her not to do some of the things she does, whether she was raised one way or not.

Sakura: Nee-san, take senpai and run away!
Rin: *thinking* Hmm, she is acting quite strangely, why would she tell us to run away when she just attacked us? And Ilya just said she was possessed by something evil. Hmm, what to do....I know!
Rin: Don't worry Sakura, I'll come and kill you.

Cue me facepalming at my screen.
Oh Rin.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>8048031
Yes, Rin acts like an idiot with Sakura, such as by rejecting her plea towards her and thus leaving no avenue but to attack her near the end of HF. No matter whether she wanted to save or kill her, egging her was a wrong move.

Of course Nasu has said that Rin has the dojikko trait and tends to screw up in important situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8048044
She shouldn't have hit on her sister's crush either while the poor girl was bedridden.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044388
>>8044409

You're wrong about that, and you took what Kotomine said to an extreme. Take this from CM3:

>Blackening of Servants
The black mud in the Holy Grail contaminates the souls of those who touch it. It goes without saying for mere humans, and supernatural beings like Servants are no exception to this either. The contaminated person's personality reverses toward the orientation of evil. This is madness caused by touching Angra Mainyu. This is called "blackening". There are those who can use the black mud as part of their own power thanks to the properties of its contamination and those whose powerful egos have stayed back its mental pollution.

Source: http://completematerial.pbworks.com/w/page/40075809/Unsorted-Translation-%28arai%29

This counts for humans coming into contact with it as well, she was most certainly very effected by it. Kotomine's speech in the forest is only half-right(he speaks in half-truths anyway), and she would never have wanted things to turn this way without being polluted by AM, note the:

"It goes without saying for mere humans, and supernatural beings like Servants are no exception to this either. The contaminated person's personality reverses toward the orientation of evil. This is madness caused by touching Angra Mainyu."

Sure, the girl had negative emotions, but the point was is that she would never take things this far without AM. Her self-esteem issues and uneasiness, even a bit of resentment toward Rin? They are all her, but not nearly as exaggerated.

Take this for example, you have two people who are sadists, but one actually likes to view S&M on the net and might try some spanking with their lover. While another actively rapes and commits acts of violence toward others. The same fetishes, but working at different degrees.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8044388
No, he says nothing like that. What he says is that the shadow is permeating her mind and forcing away her sanity with its magical energy in order to form. It sometimes acts upon her negative inner thoughts, but that is due to its nature as a Grail that corrupts wishes and fulfills them in the most destructive way possible.