Kanji is archaic and needs to be abolished.

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Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:35:05 2011 No.8022868 [Reply] [Original]

Kanji is archaic and needs to be abolished.

>>	ReiNya~<3 Sat Oct 22 01:37:04 2011 No.8022871 Then what is the Chinese language? You big idiot.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:41:03 2011 No.8022881
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>>8022871
One big shit of a language.

Do you think I'm making up some crazy argument? There is actually a fairly large discourse going on in Japan right now regarding this very subject.

For example, this recently published book 'Kanji is the Destruction of the Japanese Language'.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:42:03 2011 No.8022885 The whole language of Japanese is archaic and needs to be abolished. Things would make more sense if the whole world just adopted the dominant language of the world, english.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:42:33 2011 No.8022882 Nah, advocating the destruction of languages is 1984 shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:43:33 2011 No.8022886 The Roman alphabet is archaic and needs to be abolished.

>>	Hotel Moé Sat Oct 22 01:44:34 2011 No.8022887 File: 64 KB, 500x376, 1299801814003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just do everything in hiragana.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:46:33 2011 No.8022891 We should all just learn Galactic Basic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:46:33 2011 No.8022892 >>8022886 Let's get rid of the letter "q" as it's worthless and faze out synonyms too. EVERYTHING SHOULD BE SIMPLE!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:47:03 2011 No.8022893 >>8022882 >abolishing kanji >destroying the entire language Ever heard of hiragana and katakana?

>>	Ruby Sat Oct 22 01:51:33 2011 No.8022905 Why? It provides instant recognition of a word in a single character. >>8022887 Hiragana can be interpreted to have multiple meanings, and given that Japan does not believe in spaces between words, anything written in all hiragana would be ugly to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:53:33 2011 No.8022913 >>8022905 Then just add the spaces. They already do it for text meant to read by kids.

ReiNya~<3 Sat Oct 22 01:54:33 2011 No.8022916

Anyone who thinks Japanese would be better off with just Hiragana and Katakana is an ENORMOUS idiot. So are you suggesting they replace Kanji with something else? If you're suggesting they just adopt another language you're still an enormous idiot. So what are you saying? Just because you can't learn Kanji you hate it probably.

>>8022881
>>There is actually a fairly large discourse going on in Japan right now regarding this very subject.
Those people don't mean what you think they mean.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:55:34 2011 No.8022919 >>8022868 got a source for that OP?

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:56:02 2011 No.8022924

>>8022905
There are too many kanji, and it is difficult to remember how to read and write them. This goes for foreigners and Japanese people.

Processing kanji is more time consuming on word processors and computers.Text that uses a mixture of kanji and kana requires kanji conversion, which is inefficient in comparison to text that only uses kana or rōmaji.

It can potentially cause class warfare.

Nothing wrong with writing everything in hiragana and katakana. Just use spaces.

The homophone argument is a shit argument because we deal with homophones just fine in English, and it's not like you can speak in kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 01:57:33 2011 No.8022926 >>8022893 It takes a massive shit on culture among other things, I've heard they're also considering scrapping katakana and just using romaji. I'm not interested in your newspeak, I'm not a cave man I like a little complexity in my languages.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:02:03 2011 No.8022954

>>8022919
'My Younger Sister Can Read Japanese Characters'
僕の妹は漢字が読める
http://www.hobbyjapan.co.jp/hjbunko/kanji/

>>8022913
Exactly.

>>8022916
Read up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_script_reform#Modern_kana_usage

Phonetic alphabet master race.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:04:03 2011 No.8022960 >>8022926 >scrapping katakana and just using romaji This sounds like an awesome idea. Though I'd be content with just abolishing kanji.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:20:05 2011 No.8023028

Subliterate Japanese would be subliterate in any other language; given how godawful westerners who are interested in Japan are, a barrier is actually a good thing; so far as I can tell there isn't a substantial difference in the time it takes for children to achieve literacy, likewise reading speed.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:26:05 2011 No.8023060

>>8022926
>complexity in my languages.
Why use only 10 symbols to represent the broad range of natural numbers then?

We should use a combination of 50,000 different symbols to truly represent the complexity and importance that counting and math has in our life and culture.
Simple writing in math is what makes people lazy towards it and is the main reason the average adult can't even do simple two digit multiplication without using a calculator.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:30:06 2011 No.8023086

>>8023060
You don't realize this because of your autism, but people with non-broken brains don't individually consider each digit of a number except where prompted. 47 is 47, not 4 x 10^1 + 4 x 10^0. This is even reflected in language: look at the Danish numbering system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:31:06 2011 No.8023088 Fact: Tale of Genji was written entirely in hirigana.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:36:07 2011 No.8023110 So many gaijin wanting to learn a language but are to half-assed about doing it that they want the beautiful aspects of it abolished. And this is why most gaijin are idiots.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:38:37 2011 No.8023119 Why don't japanese and other asian use the korean alphabet? i heard it's the most logical alphabet in the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:41:37 2011 No.8023130 >>8023119 Korea got smart and abolished kanji from their writing system. Hangul is a perfect example of effective reform. Japan should take note.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:42:08 2011 No.8023134 >>8023119 Nobody likes Koreans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:45:08 2011 No.8023144 They should at least reduce the number of kanji. Enough so that Japanese and others can be able to learn most of them and be able to read the fucking newspaper

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:46:08 2011 No.8023149 >>8023134 So all westerners use the latin alphabet because we like romans?

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:49:08 2011 No.8023163 christ i hope moot just makes a new board for koreaboos to keep this kind of shit thread from happening

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:49:38 2011 No.8023159 >>8023144 Implying that Westerners can read the newspaper knowing only the kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:50:38 2011 No.8023166 >>8023144 Just learn the jouyou kanji, you cock. You don't need to know 50k.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:53:38 2011 No.8023170 Writing is a medium, not a goal. A complex looking writing isn't always a meaningful one.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 02:56:38 2011 No.8023176 >>8023159 >>8023166 http://t.co/K68jiyt This explains what I mean, faggots

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:01:39 2011 No.8023192 >>8023176 Some random guy talking about his mentally handicapped girlfriend proves what exactly?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:01:39 2011 No.8023193 >>8023176 Full link http://youtube.com/?rdm=4o960d37k&reload=3#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DF9IFBn-Ms6A%26feature%3Dyoutu.be&feature=youtu.be&v=F9IFBn-Ms6A&gl=US

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:05:09 2011 No.8023209 >>8023192 Take what ever message you want from it. Weird guy is weird, but has a point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:06:09 2011 No.8023215 >>8023192 Exactly. HURR DURR CLASS WARFARE becuase some people are too stupid to study their native language. I bet his whore girl friend is going for a sociology degree.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:09:12 2011 No.8023232

Kanji is pretty much the easiest part of the language right after the kana, it just takes a bit more effort.
Saying "kanji is soooo hard and stupid!" equals to "I'm a lazy fucker".
And once you can actually read japanese texts with kanji you'll see why people laugh at you when you tell them to "just use kana!"

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:10:12 2011 No.8023236

>>8023176}
This hooligan is a bit retarded.
But that made me wonder just how many people study literature or philosophy in Japanese. Since it's a highly ambiguous language, I'd guess that even when they can actually read every old or uncommon kanji, they'll have a real hard time understanding the meaning.

Sure, that will keep retarded people out, but will also make it hard for young people to get interested about Japanese literature in their youth (other than light novels). Smart people are more likely to get into science and math rather than humanities, which is beneficial to Japan since they're all about technology.

Rather than dividing people into groups, this works more in favor of a given academics agenda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:32:12 2011 No.8023302 >>8023232 So English should have a character system too? ww

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:45:44 2011 No.8023325 Whatever, kanji looks cool. Now katakana...that shit is just stupid. An alphabet with characters that are almost completely dependent upon brush strokes to be recognized in an age where no brushes are used.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:53:44 2011 No.8023333 >>8023325 Please, the only ones you might ever get confused are シ　and ツ or ン and ソ.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 03:55:15 2011 No.8023340 >>8023302 I don't see what's funny about showing your incompetence, but suit yourself

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Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:02:44 2011 No.8023362

>>8022892
I agree, but it would need to be gradual.

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

Generally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeiniing voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x"— bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez —tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivili.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:05:15 2011 No.8023374 >>8023333 Those were the ones I was referring to, but does that somehow make it better? Language should be efficient. Me straining my eyes to see if it's slanting up or down is just a hassle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:05:15 2011 No.8023377 >>8023362 5 star post, seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:07:15 2011 No.8023385 >>8023377 Thank you, but I can not take credit for that. Mark Twain wrote that. This bullshit argument about complexity in a language has been going on for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:08:44 2011 No.8023388 >>8023377 Read it before. Not original.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:10:44 2011 No.8023401 >>8023302 I've seen this seriously argued on 2ch before.

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:12:45 2011 No.8023409

>>8023362
This doesn't really say much. Of course, if you take it to the extreme you would strip the language of it's coherency. However, making it a tad more phonetic and getting rid of c wouldn't hurt.

Also "y", doesn't make an "i" sound, so replacing it makes little sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:14:15 2011 No.8023420 >>8022954 >'My Younger Sister Can Read Japanese Characters' >僕の妹は漢字が読める >Japanese Characters >漢字 Pick one

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 04:14:45 2011 No.8023418 >>8023409 Why try to fix what isn't broken? Everyone over the age of 6 can figure out how it works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 05:00:57 2011 No.8023554 >>8023420 I know you wanted to be really clever and all, but japanese kanji don't got a lot to do with chinese hanzi anymore nowadays, besides the rootes from a 1500 years ago

Anonymous Sat Oct 22 08:22:59 2011 No.8023944

>>8022885
>Things would make more sense if the whole world just adopted the dominant language of the world, english.
This. It would make everything so much easier in life for everyone, but between the hand wringing lefties on this side and batshit insane nationalists on the other, it's sadly never going to happen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 12:49:03 2011 No.8024494 File: 95 KB, 500x375, neckbeard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8023110 >yfw

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 22 14:53:42 2011 No.8024791 >>8023944 I'd rather pick a proper phonetic language then if you want to make it easier for everyone.

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