Alright. Let's settle this once and for all.

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Alright. Let's settle this once and for all. Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:32:19 2011 No.7976330 [Reply] [Original]

What the fuck is Yukari's actual ability?

How the hell does "manipulating boundaries" work and how does it makes her so powerful?

Why is it that between 東方妖々夢 and 東方地霊殿 , it varied so much that it feels like even Zun couldn't figure out how the fuck to actually use it?

Why does she have the best hats and who designs them?

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:34:11 2011 No.7976334

You cannot settle someting once and for all when you can't even come up with a consent of what you are discussing. Besides, her power is so wide that it can count for much more than just boundaries. If anything, boundary manipulation is self explanatory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:40:21 2011 No.7976358 File: 58 KB, 240x320, 1312947154997.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This should explain everything for you, OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:41:21 2011 No.7976361 >>7976334 >If anything, boundary manipulation It really, really isn't. Boundaries of what? Magical boundaries? Scientific ones? Waves and particles? Sub-atomic particles? How do you even exploit that shit to your advantage?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:43:48 2011 No.7976367 >>7976361 >Boundaries of what? Of anything, duh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:44:45 2011 No.7976371 >>7976367 >How do you even exploit that shit to your advantage?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:45:15 2011 No.7976375 File: 136 KB, 498x299, 1293.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7976330

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:45:44 2011 No.7976374 OP ISN'T THINKING WITH PORTALS

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:46:46 2011 No.7976376 >>7976371 Be creative.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:48:17 2011 No.7976381

>>7976361
>The ability to manipulate boundaries is a terrifying ability capable of fundamentally undermining reality.

>As far as we know, everything is built upon the existence of boundaries.

>Thus, the ability to manipulate boundaries is by logic an ability of creation and destruction.

>It essentially creates a new being, or rejects the existence of a being.

>Among the abilities youkai are known to possess, this is one of the most dangerous, being comparable even to the power of gods.

>It's said that this ability is not limited to physical space, but also applies to pictures, others' dreams, and even stories.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Yukari_Yakumo

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:48:48 2011 No.7976384 Can Yukari manipulate the boundaries of her own powers, thus making her all-powerful?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:48:48 2011 No.7976385 File: 388 KB, 720x2473, motherfucking Yukari.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i guess its time to post this...

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:49:22 2011 No.7976388

>>7976381
Rather, all semantic thought is based on boundaries. Therefore he powers are unthinkable because she can manipulate anything you can think of. That doesn't mean her powers are limitless, just incomprehensible to a being that uses division to understand the world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:51:22 2011 No.7976394 So why did she lost to lunarians?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:52:51 2011 No.7976395 File: 24 KB, 800x600, what now.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7976374 ???

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:53:59 2011 No.7976396 >>7976394 She let them win to accomplish a different goal. Basically she used them and their moon-sized egos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:53:59 2011 No.7976397 In the end it doesn't matter battle-wise because lolspellcardrules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:53:59 2011 No.7976398 >>7976394 She lost on purpose. That whole thing was a plot to weed out troublesome youkai.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:55:49 2011 No.7976402

>>7976385

I haven't seen that before, so it entertained me a lot.

On a related subject, do you people think that Yukari can manipulate boundaries related to non-physical things?
Ex: Youmu's sword can cut hesitation, so obviously some youkai can affect the non-physical.
Maybe Yukari can manipulate boundaries of loyalty or sanity, if such things even exist.

It's worth noting though, that boundaries for many non-physical concepts are constructed by us to make them easier to understand, so maybe Yukari's powers don't work that way.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:56:21 2011 No.7976404

>>7976396
No she didn't, stop pulling things out of your ass, she lost plain and square with her whole army of youkai to them.

Afterwards, seeing as how she couldn't beat them, she faked another invasion for the entire SSIB timeline just to steal their sake and piss them off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:56:48 2011 No.7976406 >>7976402 >>It's said that this ability is not limited to physical space, but also applies to pictures, others' dreams, and even stories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:57:46 2011 No.7976408 Why are people ignoring the hat question OP presented?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:59:15 2011 No.7976412 >>7976408 Her hat is shit and OP's taste is shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:59:45 2011 No.7976413 >>7976408 I don't like her hat

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 01:59:45 2011 No.7976414 >>7976408 In all honesty, I didn't even see that question before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:01:45 2011 No.7976428 >>7976412 >>7976413 I hope your cocks get wormholed into your dead fathers' anuses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:02:45 2011 No.7976433 >>7976385 If she's so powerful why isn't she omniscient? Don't even try to deny, you know she isn't.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:02:45 2011 No.7976435
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Someone should make a Portals game about Yukari. The player will be able to manipulate boundaries like turn night into day or water into sky. It could also have a plot involving boundaries between love, friendship and other interpersonal stuff.

If someone doesn't make this I will have no choice but to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:04:15 2011 No.7976441 >>7976433 because she's a woman, and women are dumb

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:04:16 2011 No.7976449

Yukari is the strongest species of youkai in Gensokyo. End of debate. Read the canon descriptions of the characters and read the books.

-Yukari is the ONLY youkai that ZUN speculates "might be the strongest youkai." ZUN's words, not mines. In the case of Yuka, he only references her insanity.
-The ability to manipulate flowers is NOT EQUAL TO the ability to manipulate boundaries. Yukari is the only Touhou where ZUN said "this power is on par with the gods." Yuka, not so much. And the magic powers Yuka gained could have been gained by any character. Any speculation about said powers are just fanon wanks, as the only definition of it available is moe.
-There is no defense against or weakness to Yukari's hax. -- ZUN, Perfect Memento.
-ZUN said Yukari only hangs out with higher class/powerful youkai like Suika. I doubt Yuka is even on Suika's level.
-Yukari is the only Touhou capable of "destroying Gensokyo with ease", thanks to her boundaries hax.
-She's one of the smartest and oldest youkai that may have had a hand in the creation of Gensokyo.
-Last but not least: nobody knows how the fuck she does anything, ever

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:04:47 2011 No.7976445 >>7976433 Because this >>7976441 And she's weak to cock.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:05:16 2011 No.7976450

>>7976408

I just don't feel like Yukari's hat is especially good, so I decided to ignore that part of the question since it didn't interest me.

Also, Yukari's hat seems a lot like Remi and Flan's hats anyway, so it's not super special to me. (obviously it's not the same, but it's the same general idea of a piece of cloth with ribbons on it)

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:07:46 2011 No.7976459

>>7976433
As stated in PMiSS, Yukari does in fact have the type of power that her fans claim. The time, energy, resources and concentration needed to wield such abilities is anyone's guess though. There's most likely limitations to how much she can do at any given time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:07:46 2011 No.7976462 >>7976433 >If she's so powerful why isn't she omniscient? Because her powers defy semantic reasoning which is based on boundaries. Her powers are not infinite, just beyond comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:10:48 2011 No.7976479 >>7976462 Stop right there. >Her powers are not infinite >manipulates the boundaries of her own ability Well there you go.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:12:18 2011 No.7976490

>>7976449
While Shikieiki's combat capacity is never directly referenced, at the conclusion of ZUN's "A Beautiful Flower Blooming Violet Every Sixty Years", Yukari Yakumo believes that herself, Yuyuko Saigyouji and Reimu Hakurei to be together "no match for" the Yama.

I mean, Shikieiki's "ability" is just the power to distinctly judge between good and evil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:12:18 2011 No.7976493 Yeah, but can she eat her own power to manipulate boundaries? I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:13:47 2011 No.7976497 >>7976490 I imagine that's a "on her own turf" kind of thing, since she's the ultimate judge of the dead.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:13:47 2011 No.7976498

Yukari may be nigh-universal-omniscent in abilities but she still has the weakness of being a mere lady.

She gets tense when people don't look up to the topics she is trying to make interesting, like the radio tower in OSP. Her getting angry-ish in SSiB was also cute and proof that her face muscles can turn that way, albeit without honesty in that manga's case since it was her plan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:14:18 2011 No.7976505 >>7976330 Well at the same time we can talk about flandre's ability which is to be able to destroy anything and everything. If it exists couldn't flan destroy it, even yukari?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:14:47 2011 No.7976502 >>7976490 Shikieki's ability is to inspire productivity in her subordinates. She just never uses it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:16:48 2011 No.7976509 >>7976505 >If it exists couldn't flan destroy it, even yukari? boundaries of reality, gone, etc.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:16:48 2011 No.7976511

>>7976402
>On a related subject, do you people think that Yukari can manipulate boundaries related to non-physical things?
Word of ZUN is that Yukari's power affects all boundaries including actual physical boundaries, theoretical boundaries, allegorical boundaries, and so on.
In fact, there is a boundary between what her powers affect and what they can not affect, and Yukari can manipulate _that_ boundary as well.

Her powers encompass everything that can be defined.

In any other story Yukari would be an annoying and dull Mary Sue, however.she isn't because Touhou isn't about being powerful or strong, it's about tea parties and making flower petal patterns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:16:48 2011 No.7976513 >>7976398 No, it was a plot to get precious treasures... but Yuyuko wasn't interested in any of that and brought back some delicious sake instead. You wouldn't think ZUN (sorta) wrote it until you get to that point...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:17:17 2011 No.7976517 >>7976511 >and making flower petal patterns. Why do we never discuss these powerlevels?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:18:45 2011 No.7976524 File: 1.33 MB, 1640x1872, 453545345.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7976449

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:20:17 2011 No.7976533

>>7976511
>Touhou isn't about being powerful or strong, it's about tea parties and making flower petal patterns.

So Yuuka is the most powerful for sure then, right?
Flower Power lends itself toward flower petal pattern skills.

Although Sakuya probably has the best tea for parties...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:20:47 2011 No.7976537 >>7976517 Yuka is so strong becauase her ability is about flowers so it's only natural she would be good at making flower danmaku.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:21:49 2011 No.7976544

>>7976505
Touhou's abilities don't work on concepts, except Yukari and Reimu's (to a certain extent).

There's something that isn't very clearly defined, by having an ''ability'' one does not necessarily can use it with their mind and stuff happens. For example, in Flandre's case, the ''destroy anything'' refers to grabbing something akin to an object's axis and crushing it with her hand.

We also don't know how other potentially hax abilities like Yuyuko's work, but it probably has something to do with butterflies.

Yukari rifts the boundaries physically by splitting reality itself into an otherwordly dimension/realm that has the appearance of a trippy dark world filled with eyeballs. We've yet to see her change the laws of physics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:22:19 2011 No.7976547 >>7976544 >Touhou's abilities don't work on concepts, except Yukari and Reimu's >>7976402 >Youmu's sword can cut hesitation

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:24:48 2011 No.7976551 >>7976547 That's not concepts in general.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:24:48 2011 No.7976552

>>7976544
This is where limits might show up, changing physical laws is very tricky business, as the sheer calculation to make a local bubble change is still massive, let alone universal. Changing one aspect of the laws means editing the others to work with it in a way that won't make it collapse in on itself

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:26:19 2011 No.7976563 >>7976544 The eyes aren't actually canon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:26:20 2011 No.7976557 I think's ZUN's reasoning was something like, "When everyone is overpowered, no one is overpowered"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:27:20 2011 No.7976564 >>7976551 Hesitation is a concept. Argument debunked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:28:19 2011 No.7976568 >>7976557 "So I better create someone REALLY overpowered."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:28:19 2011 No.7976570 >>7976563 She has eye related portal things in Hisoutensoku, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:29:19 2011 No.7976571 >>7976564 Provide context of the ability, it may just be a creative way of saying she's so fast that she doesn't give her opponent time to think, or herself

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:30:20 2011 No.7976575 >>7976571 That is pretty obviously not the case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:31:19 2011 No.7976582 >>7976575 Could you please provide context rather than repeating yourself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:31:48 2011 No.7976580 >>7976564 >in general You'd be saying she can cut through Yukari's powers.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:32:49 2011 No.7976584

I'm surprised how nobody ever mentions how Yukari is the smartest youkai in Touhou canon. Eirin without a doubt has more knowledge than her (due to her lifespan) but she's still just a human at the end of the day. (She's technically not a Lunarian either seeing how she predated the Lunar Capital's existence.)

Ran is said to have supercomputer intelligence, yet Ran herself said that Yukari's intelligence is beyond hers.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Ran

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:34:47 2011 No.7976590 This thread made me accidentally find that Reimu's the only one who has canonically called Yukari an old hag. Mmhmmpheaah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:35:47 2011 No.7976592 >>7976582 Shikieiki route victory dialogue over Youmu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:36:15 2011 No.7976593 >>7976584 >she's still a human at the end of the day What about it? Does that automatically remove her ''rank'' despite being more knowledgeable than her or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:38:19 2011 No.7976604 >>7976593 Uh. Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:39:18 2011 No.7976612 >>7976592 I think you're taking the quote out too far and too literally

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:39:48 2011 No.7976611

>>7976571
>Provide context of the ability, it may just be a creative way of saying she's so fast that she doesn't give her opponent time to think, or herself
Youmu's can cut through a ghost's hesitation, causing it to reach enlightenment, reach Nirvana, and thus cease to exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:40:16 2011 No.7976616 >>7976604 ...how?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:40:16 2011 No.7976617 >>7976611 Shikieiki said human hesitation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:42:16 2011 No.7976623 >>7976616 Knowledge and mental capacity are 2 different things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:42:45 2011 No.7976624 >>7976616 Youkai > humans Like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:43:47 2011 No.7976629 >>7976623 Yukari doesn't have more mental capacity than Eirin.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:44:45 2011 No.7976634

>>7976584
>Ran is said to have supercomputer intelligence, yet Ran herself said that Yukari's intelligence is beyond hers.
There's a very real chance that much of Ran's "supercomputer intelligence" is a result of being Yukari Yakumo's shikigami. Being able to channel a portion of her master's intellect is enough to make her a mathematical savant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:45:47 2011 No.7976637 >>7976629 Says who?

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:47:46 2011 No.7976646
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>>7976593
>What about it? Does that automatically remove her ''rank'' despite being more knowledgeable than her or something?
Eirin was born on Earth. She was the mentor of the sage who founded the Lunar Capital. Since she's a human she has the same limitations as any other human. As described in Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red, youkai like Ran are supercomputers compared to humans. Yukari happens to be a youkai who's smart compared to even youkais.

SSiB was a game of wits between Yukari and Eirin, and in the end Yukari out smarted her. Eirin is like a computer with a 500GB harddrive and an outdated 1-GHz processor. Yukari by comparison is a computer with a 2MB harddrive and an Intel Core i7 3.4 GHz processor.

Yukari isn't 1/10th Eirin's age yet she's already able to outwit her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:49:46 2011 No.7976656 >>7976646 >2mb heh

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:50:15 2011 No.7976665

>>7976637
We can't confirm who's smarter than who.

We can only make assumptions out of established facts, for one, Eirin is older than Yukari and has had access to technology and knowledge that is way more advanced than current humanity's, which is the most advanced thing that Yukari has based herself of.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:50:44 2011 No.7976662

>>7976646
>Since she's a human she has the same limitations as any other human.
And where is it said that humans have certain immutable limitations?

>SSiB was a game of wits between Yukari and Eirin, and in the end Yukari out smarted her.
I really doubt Eirin actually gave a fuck about the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:51:43 2011 No.7976669 >>7976646 I must have missed that part, because it looked more like Eirin was testing her former students.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 02:56:13 2011 No.7976689

>>7976646
>As described in Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red, youkai like Ran are supercomputers compared to humans.
BAiJR says Ran is as smart as a supercomputer; it says nothing about any other youkai being supercomputers.

For the record, where does Ran being smart come from? If it's just her calculating the width of the Sanzu, she could just be really good at math...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:01:15 2011 No.7976716 >>7976689 It doesn't matter. The point is that Yukari is even smarter than her.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:08:17 2011 No.7976732

>>7976665
>We can only make assumptions out of established facts, for one, Eirin is older than Yukari and has had access to technology and knowledge
I'm not really impressed by the Lunarian's technology. It is canon that humans at one point gave the Lunarians a hard time during the Lunar war. We're talking humans from the 70s. If you factor in all the disadvantages humans would have in space, it's amazing they were able to give the Lunarians such a hard time. Bringing a small army to the moon back in those days would have bankrupted a few countries.

And before you downplay the Lunar conflict, yes, they really did have a hard time defeating the American military of the 70s.

>You bear a large sin. You abandoned your allies, letting them die, while you're the only one here living happily.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View/Translation/Reisen%27s_Scenario#Reisen_v
s._Shiki_.28Episode_Final.29

>The rabbit had escaped from the front line of a war, leaving her allies behind...
>Humans were invading the moon?
>These filthy humans are exploiting the power of the moon and trying to build a base here. We've been urging them co-exist peacefully with us, but they never listen. We're up against a wall. We've decided to declare a final war against them.
>The tide of war is currently slightly in their favour... Their modern weaponry is far better than we expected. But don't worry, we have the wisdom and pride of our millennia of history... We will never lose.
>Dear Reisen, a war will be starting soon. Please come back and fight at our side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:10:17 2011 No.7976741 >>7976732 Did the Cold/Korea/Vietnam Wars happen in the Zunverse?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:17:47 2011 No.7976768 >>7976741 I believe one of the wars was mentioned.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:17:47 2011 No.7976771

>>7976732
The level of technological advancements doesn't mean that you're automatically going to insta-win against something such as a whole country known for having nukes and absurd ambition.

Keep in mind, they fought off Yukari and her youkai troops a millenium (?) ago, it means they have power in terms of what can affect fantasy beings like them instead of a civilization who has spent every year of their existence enhancing their military, whereas the Lunarians barely cared anymore since they deemed their society ''pure''.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:22:17 2011 No.7976783

She may be nearly all-powerful in her abilities, but she's still affected by anything that doesn't have to do with that, like social themes.

Here's a little canon of insight of Yukari and her somewhat irresponsible mishaps.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Seasonal_Dream_Vision/A_Beautiful_Flower_Blooming_Violet_Every_Sixty_Y
ears

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:25:17 2011 No.7976792

>>7976771
Youkai have natural weaknesses against a lot of things humans can wield. The Lunarians really don't have any excuse. America as a country has only been around for 200 years. The Lunar civilization has been around for millenniums; not to mention the fact that all Lunarians live a lot longer than humans. Longer lifespan means more collective knowledge. They must not be too smart if they let humans catch up to them like that.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:32:01 2011 No.7976815

>>7976792
As I said, the fact that you're more knowledgeable does not mean you'll be able to defeat the other in combat. Eirin is said to have unimaginable amounts of knowledge due to her absurd age, she's only focusing in medicine in her time on Earth and she can pretty much solve and even create any kind of organism-based anomaly using genetic knowledge that is only reachable in science fiction works, at the sole reach of a pill which she sells to villagers.

And, she's the Watatsuki's tutors. They may have as well not focused on military field since it had been well over a millenia since their last conflict, in which they had won easily using only their abilities.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:42:01 2011 No.7976846 [DELETED]

>>7976836
I really can't help but find the Lunar War thing kind of stupid, really. It's the one gigantic thing that does not mesh with any of the rest of Touhou, at all, not thematically, not in terms of continuity, with any of the other canon material out there, the games, the comics, the CDs, nothing.

Seriously, what is up with that.

But hey, it's there, and Gensokyo accepts everything, so whatever.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:46:16 2011 No.7976859

I really can't help but find the Lunar War thing kind of stupid, really. It's the one gigantic thing that does not mesh with any of the rest of Touhou, at all, not thematically, not in terms of continuity, with any of the other canon material out there, the games, the comics, the CDs, nothing. Seriously, what is up with that.

But I guess it is what it is, so whatever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:48:16 2011 No.7976871 File: 120 KB, 872x1200, 1317214080317.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yukari is the strongest. She controls the spoiler image

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 03:50:47 2011 No.7976878 File: 15 KB, 400x300, pic-775-medium[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7976771 >whereas the Lunarians barely cared anymore since they deemed their society ''pure''.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 10 04:44:50 2011 No.7977073
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Jesus, this thread again? Kopipe time.

Yukari is still pretty popular among most of us, the problem comes more from fans hyping up her strength and making her out to be the mother fucking Flash of Touhou; able to achieve anything with her poorly defined powers and ought to be able to defeat anyone.

It ignores a key part of Yukari Yakumo, she's a schemer. A direct show of force simply isn't Yukari's style, it never had been and never will be. Sure it's fun for doujin artists like Chado to draw up a massive DBZ style fight, or for neck beards to argue about her capabilities, but the thing that makes Yukari so attractive as a character in the first place is her evasive twisted nature. Nothing she does is what it seems, schemes within schemes Yukari plots on the very long term in ways only a few could begin to comprehend.

For a true powerhouse character with combat ability, you need to look to youkai like Suika and Yuka, Yuka especially because of her direct nature. For a powerful but direct mastermind you've got Kanako who is clearly working towards her own agenda but it's not exactly hidden. In comparison Yukari's methods are convoluted to the point where it borders (oh ho) on insanity, she approaches problems from completely unexpected angles obfuscating her objectives with both clear and hidden feints.

The point is, when someone fights Yukari, she is never really serious, often smiling as she laughs off a defeat and retreats having spun the circumstances to her favour. Yukari has never been a direct force kind of youkai. She is a schemer by nature and her powers only support this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 04:46:20 2011 No.7977082 >>7977073 I'm pretty sure the argument is finished....your just repeating everyone

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 04:48:49 2011 No.7977086 Yukari is a lovecraftian god, able to distort reality as you know it. That doesn't mean all lovecraftian gods are all-powerful or able to do anything, they are just utterly beyond your ability to understand.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 04:56:49 2011 No.7977111 Yuari has no ability persay, Shes got the "my guy is the best because I say so" ability. Its vague because it can be twisted to do anything and everything, because they said so!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 06:31:27 2011 No.7977291 >>7976524 Fuck you. I dislike yaoi, and think Kurama is awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 14:41:39 2011 No.7978582 File: 182 KB, 492x712, tzeentch.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7977073 There really was no plan. but when defeated or victorious, says "Just as planned" Yukari is Tzeentch

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Mon Oct 10 18:55:46 2011 No.7979578
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>>7976634

Maybe. That would make Touhou lore clash a lot more than usual with folklore, where the nine-tailed fox is best compared to something right out of the Cthulhu mythos, intelligent beyond the limits of human comprehension. And since it's confirmed that even in Touhou nine-tailed foxes - or perhaps even Ran specifically - are at the top of the food chain as far as beast youkai go, would seem strange that so much emphasis would be put on Yukari taming her is she wasn't a significant power in her own right.

In either case, sort of funny how Yukari's turned out the way she is, seeing how her basis is in a really mundane, unremarkable youkai - an incorporeal youkai that inhabits gaps. Sort of like how the sunekosuri is the youkai of "that feeling when you felt something brushing against your leg even though you're absolutely certain nothing did". Although unlike Yukari's kind, the sunekosuri manifests as a giant chinchilla or something.
On second thought, haven't read much about said gap dwelling youkai. Can't even remember the specific name. Maybe they actually do manifest as refined ladies in dreamlike quasi-gothic fairytale clothing, stranger things have happened.

>>7976524

There actually are yaoi fangirls that still know about Kurama?
Thought he was firmly in fujoshi territory by now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:20:43 2011 No.7979651 >If we are to go by the #1 ending being canon, Tenshi and Suika are the only people to have defeated Reimu

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:23:46 2011 No.7979660 >>7978582 >tzeentch no Tzeentch is the changer, he has no one form and is forever warping and twisting

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:26:18 2011 No.7979667 The abilities of the strongest youkai are beyond the scope of human comprehension. tl;dr It's Touhou. I ain't gotta explain shit.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:27:17 2011 No.7979672

>>7979651
>If we go

There's your problem.

SWR is proved to have all of its routes being canon in a specific timeline.

I've yet to see a clarifying remark about IaMP's routes.

PoFV is also a bit hard to figure out, it's clear that Reimu's route is one of the canon ones but it isn't clear if Shiki did went ahead and beat everyone afterwards or if it's like Cirno and Sanae's route in Soku.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:30:21 2011 No.7979683 File: 146 KB, 324x262, 1317508037783.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "Who fucking cares how it works, just blow it the fuck up." - Kirisame Marisa

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:32:52 2011 No.7979693 File: 92 KB, 800x540, 1316501475704.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yukari thread no sexy yukarin pics /jp/ i'm dissapointed >>7977073 this

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:34:51 2011 No.7979701 File: 414 KB, 600x578, shiki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7979683 Attributing quotes that never happened to characters is a sin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:36:50 2011 No.7979711 >>7979701 Oh, everything's a sin with you, Eiki!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:39:49 2011 No.7979729 File: 193 KB, 356x288, 1317508037783.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "Who fucking cares how it works, just blow it the fuck up, da ze~." - Kirisame Marisa Now canon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:41:19 2011 No.7979735 >>7979729 Marisa doesn't swear that much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:45:19 2011 No.7979744 >>7979735 A lot gets lost in translation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 19:56:08 2011 No.7979768 >>7979744 I find that hard to believe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 20:46:01 2011 No.7979964 File: 72 KB, 295x123, magiceye.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7976433 She is omniscient, at least in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 21:21:16 2011 No.7980072 File: 288 KB, 620x877, 0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yukari's special ability this thread ends here.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:23:18 2011 No.7980259

>>7976404
Plain and square?

Please tell me you were joking and that you aren't actually that stupid.

It's plain and SIMPLE, or fair and square. Stop sounding like a babbling moron. There is really no excuse to get that wrong unless you're still in elementary.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:26:49 2011 No.7980265 >>7980259 Your snob level is off the charts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:30:48 2011 No.7980270 >>7980265 I feel sorry for you if people in your country are considered to be snobbish because they attended school instead of beating off behind the bike shed. You have my sympathies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:31:17 2011 No.7980271 >>7980072 The ability to be a filthy harlot? A most vile wretched whore of Babylon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:37:18 2011 No.7980286 >>7980270 >>7980259 Whoa buddy, God forbid you make a spelling mistake, you might commit suicide from the huge ass ego you're showing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:40:56 2011 No.7980292 >The abilities of the strongest youkai are beyond the scope of human comprehension. Everything is ALWAYS beyond the scope of human comprehension. Might as well resign yourself to getting your ass handed to you by little girls.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:41:52 2011 No.7980293

>>7980286
If it bothers you that much, why don't you just stop butting into other peoples conversations?

It seems to me that you're the one with the overswelling ego. Like anyone here cares what you have to say you dirty impoverished third world manchild.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:42:57 2011 No.7980298 File: 324 KB, 500x583, d759efc1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7980271 is that you moses?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:43:53 2011 No.7980303 >>7980293 Whatever you say, bub. If it makes you feel better.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:45:26 2011 No.7980307

>>7980292

Cirno's ability to launch icicle spikes can be explained via thermodynamics; create the spike by lowering the temperature in a region of air to solidify the water particles, then lower the temperature in front of it to condense the air, creating a vacuum that "sucks" the icicle where you want it to go.

Yukari's ability to make up and down a contiguous and indistinguishable medium cannot be explained. You're welcome to grasp at straws if you'd like to try.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:47:57 2011 No.7980320 >>7980303 What an impressively dog-brained comeback, excuse me while I fetch a rag to clean off the fecal particles that you just sprayed over my monitor with that brain-rotting reply.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:48:59 2011 No.7980321 >>7980307 No, that's the way it could be explained if it were the outside world and you were using humans' common sense. Inside Gensokyo, everything's magic, a magic different from the offensive magic used by the magician youkai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:50:25 2011 No.7980333 >>7980307 If you're trying to rile up an argument then look for someone else.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 22:51:25 2011 No.7980335
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>>7980321

"Did somebody say "magician?" Just blow it the fuck up, da ze~." - Kirisame Marisa

We're either arguing lolphysics or arbitrary power levels invented by a drunk Jap. It's all as pointless in the end.

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 23:04:49 2011 No.7980392
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"It is a serious question among them whether the Africans are descended from monkeys or whether the monkeys come from them. Our wise men have said that man was created in the image of God. Now here is a lovely image of the Divine Maker: a flat and black nose with little or hardly any intelligence."

- Marisa Kirisame, "Imperishable Night"

Anonymous Mon Oct 10 23:16:38 2011 No.7980465
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"It is a serious question among them whether the Africans are descended from monkeys or whether the monkeys come from them. Our wise men have said that man was created in the image of God. Now here is a lovely image of the Divine Maker: a flat and black nose with little or hardly any intelligence, da ze~"

- Marisa Kirisame, "Imperishable Night"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 23:18:26 2011 No.7980474 File: 10 KB, 173x228, 1316395255505.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7980465

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 23:35:59 2011 No.7980530 >>7980335 >>7980392 >>7980465 Your posts are very humorous, and provocative to some. Please continue what you're doing because it's very entertaining.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Oct 10 23:37:14 2011 No.7980537 >>7976557 hardly, marisa is easily the weakest character, take away her master spark and shes weak as fuck. It'd be better if she could do master spark without that ... forgotten the name for it, that stone thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 23:49:17 2011 No.7980571 >>7976646 >Yukari isn't 1/10th Eirin's age yet Huh ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 10 23:57:43 2011 No.7980596 >>7980537 It's a mini-hakkero, contrary to what people normally believe thanks to dei shirou, it's not a source of power, but merely something akin to a light passing through a mirror, except this one uses magic fungi powder instead.

Anonymous Tue Oct 11 00:02:43 2011 No.7980610
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"No rational man, cognisant of the facts, believes that the average negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the average white man. And, if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathous relative has a fair field and no favor, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites, da ze~"

Marisa Kirisame, "Oriental Sacred Place 2," 40-41.

Anonymous Tue Oct 11 04:34:56 2011 No.7981265

>>7980571
Eirin helped establish the Lunar Capital, which was like tens of thousands of years ago. Some vague hints suggest her existence actually predated that of our own species. That said in a true game of wits between her and Yukari it's hard to say who'd actually win... in terms of raw power and abilities Yukari definitely would, but Eirin (and her former students) is/are better at setting traps. Of course, said traps are usually detected by Yukari far in advance, so... fuck, just talking about it would take all day. I can see why Yukari likes to send Ran to do shit for her if possible, Ran's even taken over the duty of regularly analyzing the barrier around Gensokyo to make sure Reimu's doing her job (I forget where this was mentioned but it was definitely in one of the written works).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 11 05:41:28 2011 No.7981307 I thought SSiB proved Yukari's superiority over Eirin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 11 06:10:01 2011 No.7981347 File: 140 KB, 675x612, whatthehellbegoingonupinhere.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7980610 They invented rock and roll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd5JqEvu5tA

Anonymous Tue Oct 11 06:18:31 2011 No.7981354

>>7976330
I like how when she first appeared she was some lazy, pet abusing youkai that you didn't even know if she was really strong or not.

Then she became the great mastermind behind things and the one keeping the barrier up and untouchably powerful, super intelligent, and oh so mysterious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 11 06:28:01 2011 No.7981365 >>7981265 If Yukari really is as power as the people in the thread say, I doubt even Eirin could make a trap that could be dangerous to Yukari. She could probably change the boundary so that Eirin's the trapped one or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 11 06:30:32 2011 No.7981367 >>7976646 >youkai like Ran are supercomputers compared to humans. Able to preform more and more complex calculations in shorter time but ultimately less intelligent?

Stalker of Omsk Tue Oct 11 06:31:32 2011 No.7981370
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I like Yukari because he reminds of smiling Xellos. Even colour is the same.

Also it's worth to be friendly with him. Free portals, free time cards for WoW and other nice things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 11 06:35:03 2011 No.7981376 File: 110 KB, 1019x723, heavy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7976646 Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe. Maybe. I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet.

>>	Stalker of Omsk Tue Oct 11 06:51:08 2011 No.7981411 File: 127 KB, 884x633, shitposters after ruining portals threads.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7981376 Unusually I wish I had my steam account and could buy hats.

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