/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Let's talk powerlevels /jp/.

Suika is right up there with Yukari and Flandre, isn't she? So what about Yuugi and the other two devas?

And where exactly do you think that the touhou deities fall in terms of power rankings?

Let's hear your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955738
Depending on the plot, whoever is the heroine will outrank whoever it is that is her foe. Thus making powerlevels useless.

Just how Yuyuko can beat Marisa or Reimu even though they defeated her in the past.

But if you want to talk powerlevels, Shikieki Yamaxanadu is the most powerful Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

Eirin never gets enough credit in powerlevel discussions.

She's easily the strongest magic user in Gensokyo.

Her charm that enveloped the entire earth inside of a giant pot wasn't even her strongest spell, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955749
>Shikieki Yamaxanadu is the most powerful Touhou.

That's a given.

She's a Buddhist deity, after all.

I'm curious about Kanako and Suwako though, how strong are they exactly?

Shinto deities can be killed after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955764
I doubt their are very powerful, perhaps a bit above an oni. They are not abrahamic deity material, since they are just as flawed as the greek gods, not to mention dependent on faith in order to survive.

[Anonymous No.]

what makes the onis so strong exactly

we know that Suika can do shit like shatter the sky as though it were a pane of glass, but how do we know that Yuugi is also that strong?

[Anonymous No.]

Remilia is just a Ventrue or Toreador 500 years old Elder vampire. Fladre is quite probably a Malkavian, just as old as her sister.

I wonder if the sunlight fairy Sunny Milk could harm them with her powers? Hmm...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955807
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Oni

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955807
Strength is just the essence of what is an oni, it is an intrinsic trait under the same laws which govern hamartia in classical tragedy.

They are oni because they are strong, and strong because they are oni. They are incapable of lacking strength.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955818
She can only refract light and make things invisible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955843
Yes, but she is a manifestation of nature, namely, the light of the Sun. She can heal wounds by exposing herself to it. I wonder how close her connection to it really is?

And we need a werewolf too. Somebody has to keep the vampires in check.

[Anonymous No.]

In Yukari's Aya interview, Yukari says that, as her shikigami, Ran's power can be pretty much equal to her own, if she's obedient and stuff.

So then is Ran up there with Yuka and Flan and everyone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955865
she's good with numbers. That's awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955865
oh and if Chen ever decides to be obedient and stuff, then her power could be about level with Ran's

so Chen has the capacity to canonically be one of the strongest touhous, doesn't she

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955873
Well she does show up in extra stage now doesn't she?

[Anonymous No.]

How op pic manga/dodji is called?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955873
GRIMSOKYO ALERT!
GRIMSOKYO ALERT!
GRIMSOKYO ALERT!


As long as Yukari is around... yes.

But Yukari is spending more and more of her time asleep, and has shown concern about the future of Gensokyo, which might mean she is coming close to the end of her lifespan.

Yukari is dying, and what will become of the border once the one who maintains it is gone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955880
Yukari doesn't maintain the border by herself you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955883
Are you really expecting the lazy ass Miko to do something?

I remember Yukari yelling at her to get off her ass and train more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955880

>Yukari is dying

This is my pet theory:

Gensokyo isn't a secluded paradise or a refuge. It's a seed. Yukari is the greatest benefactor of mankind in fact. Once the time is right (probably has something to do with the outside world and what goes on there) Gensokyo will once again rejoin the world, ushering in a new era of renewed spirituality and mythical creatures. She's not dying but simply extending her lifespan in order to actually see her plan succeed.

Also that's why she spirits away humans to Gensokyo. She wants to show it to people from the outside, so that they become aware of it and begin to be certain in Gensokyo's actuality.

[Voile's other Hermit !!YEZvwvDFX75 No.]

>>7955897
This reminds me somewhat of the plan Fujimoto had in Ponyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955901

Never watched it I'm afraid.

Then again we aren't sure if Yukari is actually sleeping or traversing the outside world instead. Something like that was mentioned by ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

Will the other two devas ever appear in game?

And the fourth deva has never even been seen yet, has she.

Because isn't the third one supposed to be that hermit girl from whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955888
I can imagine Sanae butting into the border business if Reimu doesn't seem interested. Fits with her character to be incredibly concerned about spreading faith while having no regard for the well-being of outsiders, in a kind of 'intense humanitarian' way.

But assuming the border weakens or outright fails, we might be seeing some Gensokyo-meets-reality action.

>>7955897
My perception of Yukari is that she never let go of the Lunarian Invasion failure. Given that the strength of youki is proportional to how much they are feared / believed in, perhaps such an 'incubation' plan is a means to that end. Bottle up all youkai and supernaturial beings (weakened from decreasing belief) for a few hundred years to protect them from a Lunarian counterattack, use abducted humans to seed belief in the supernatural for a while, reintroduce the supernatural to humanity and gain a huge boost in belief, use the surge of power to launch a surprise attack against the Lunarians. Fits with Yukari's long-term planning and general apathy towards Gensokyo as it is currently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955910
Yukari "failed" the first invasion on purpose to teach the youkais a lesson.

[Voile's other Hermit !!YEZvwvDFX75 No.]

>>7955910
For the sake of viewpoints, what says Yukari doesn't spirit people away to

1. Keep a human to youkai balance if it tips in to youkai favor.

2. youkai food, humans are delicacies to them, and the gensokyo human residents aren't going to be a very good snack considering they're used to the youkais' presence, whereas an outsider is not, and would be more afraid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955918
Indeed. Think about it. Youkai eat humans, but it's really hard to properly kill a youkai. Of course human numbers need to be given a boost every now and again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955918
The purposes aren't incompatible.

While abductions are clearly necessary to ensure youkai within the border have humans to believe in them (and to occasionally consume), it's not a sustainable practice. There's no lack of belief in youkai in Gensokyo's human settlement, so youkai numbers will continue to grow, and so will the amount of abductions needed to sustain them. Eventually the combined human and youkai population will fill Gensokyo's borders to bursting.

As the eventual overpopulation of Gensokyo occurs, the border will need to be opened up to a world that at least has suspicions about supernatural existences. Creating a few abductees who have been awed/piqued/traumatized will make a starting framework for a worldwide belief in youkai. With the border opened, the youkai within being strong and numerous through abductions, and the world without believing in youkai due to catch-and-release abductions, the youkai will be able to flourish outside the border.

[Voile's other Hermit !!YEZvwvDFX75 No.]

>>7955933
That would cause wonder as to why Yukari; a youkai, would want to keep a balance in the first place.

Of course it could just be a game, but that's not very engaging, it could also be that she just wants to keep things the way they are. Though outsiders aren't too terribly fit for gensokyo, maybe they're brought in every few centuries to keep the human gene pool from stagnating too much.

That is interesting to a degree. What sort of criteria do the humans she takes fit? The first one would be that they have a weak connection to the outside world, few relatives, worldly desires, reasons to wish to stay where they are, as well as few who would notice their absence or question it too much.

but a regular human isn't really good material for gensokyo, outside humans are pretty low on the spirituality thing these days, so against youkai or a number of gensokyo's elements, they wouldn't fare too well unless there's some sort of in-between boot-camp of sorts. Either that or find the few unconnected but sturdy spiritual souls that may exist outside.

>>7955947
With a little manipulation, both populations can be kept in check. Too many humans and she can pull a few strings to increase the number of youkai-related deaths, perhaps this might be cause for an incident or two. Too many youkai? Get people like Reimu or other exterminators on a warpath to cut some down to size.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7955959
But what is the purpose of simply keeping both human and youkai populations below a fixed number? If the creation of Gensokyo was to protect youkai, what better way to protect their existence than to plan for an eventual re-emergence into the world? There's far too many possibilities of failure if youkai are kept within the border for eternity.

[Voile's other Hermit !!YEZvwvDFX75 No.]

>>7955987
Unless Yukari's excursions in to the outside world are to learn everything and I mean EVERYTHING about it, doing something like that would have an unknown outcome, if Yukari is trying to incubate a sort of youkai resurgence and take control of the world or something, then sure. Otherwise doing something like that is going to have obviously a very big effect, and considering earth's or even Japan's current population in comparison to back when the barrier was put up, its either going to be a mayhem and hell for humans, which would paint Yukari as rather callous towards humans, or the youkai are going to find themselves in a bit of a hard spot, but then that goes in to the whole business of how weapons affect youkai, and it throws it in to new territory considering it goes on to human turf

Of course all the time sitting in gensokyo has also made a number of youkai considerably more passive, but there are plenty of more feral ones to go around.

and if she's got a plan to open things up, why is she working with the maiden of the border to keep it running smoothly?

[Anonymous No.]

The spell card system was put in place so powerlevels wouldn't come into play. However, I'd probably put Yukari up at the top even though she's probably not the strongest in a fight. She just seems like a character that never truly loses, since everything all keikaku doori for her. I'm pretty curious about Ran, though. Going by what I've read she seems stronger than all the other servants/non-heads, but how strong is she really?