Possessed by Phoenix Thread 6

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

One of the longest Touhou RPGs around has been translated! Genius of Sappheiros brings back the glory days of classic 2D JRPGs, Touhou style!

A mysterious fog is sapping the energy of youkai across Gensokyo, but not of humans. Reimu and pals bust some heads as they head out to discover the source behind this latest incident!

Prepatched game with expansion set:
http://www.mediafire.com/?a8c1by6btaid7

Latest patches:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9an3jjay8z6eqgc/Game.pak
http://www.mediafire.com/file/twngax8i8hd5rhx/Img.pak

NOTE: Please run the game on Windows 95 compatibility!


Previous Thread Numbers: 7848236, 7882358, 7898431, 7912929, 7923916

[Anonymous No.]

Bumping my cock dude

[Anonymous No.]

I know the drop rate in this game is retarded, but can items for making personal weapons (like Magic Mushroom, Silver Plate and so on) be dropped by enemies?
I made a broom for Marisa for the 2 MP per turn and a sword for Sakuya because it looked cool and my GOD DAMN IT sense just kicked in.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7932876
Yes but it's a 0.1% chance so don't count on it. That's 50-100 times rarer than equipment and material drops!

They are much easier to get in the expansion (and it's guaranteed) so don't worry, you'll be able to get everything eventually. But forge wisely in the main game!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7932876

A few monsters in the records say they drop them, though I can honestly say I've never seen one drop. I do hear that after a certain point they become more common though.

[Anonymous No.]

is China really undead as listed in the bestiary?

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7933043
She's listed as Youkai. You can see what enemies are in battle as well by the icon they have when you look at them.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any weapons I should synthesize for characters who aren't completely melee-oriented?
Right now I only seem to care about weapons for Sakuya, Mokou and Youmu, and Nitori is getting neglected.

[Anonymous No.]

any fix for freezing on skill use? Im running in japanese app locale in win95 compatibility mode and i get the same problem. I get crashes occasionally after cutscenes and freezes in combat sometimes when i use skills. Its quite frustrating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933184
Depends, really. Just don't waste materials on useless things like Alice's early boots.

Good stuff to get are at least one 2x multiplier broom, green eye, Byakuren IND scrolls etc.

Just play normally and hold out a bit. If you're dying horribly at a particular portion a weapon or two won't make much difference. Only buy things once every few tiers, or if they're notably good.

[Anonymous No.]

goddamn I finally beat tewi only to have raisin status everyone and kill me. I managed to get through on the third try though so now I'm at inner eientei. should I rearrange my party back to what I was using before?

[Zuliani !AkaneKe6Z6 No.]

>NOTE: Please run the game on Windows 95 compatibility!
Goddamn it, so that was why it was not working.
I was checking the options, and there listed my pc specs, and the Pixel Shader section said my was less than 2.0, do I need a better graphic card to play this game, or I won't run in any issue with the current one I have?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933191
Applocale isn't enough for this game. You need to change your system locale to Japan.

[VIPPER No.]

To anyone that's actually played, is this game any good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933214
Honestly, I just barely got past the whole intro bit. Was bored to tears by the end to it. Maybe I'll try actually playing soon, but damn it does not look promising.

(/jp/ is going to have a shitfit after reading that)

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933213
game is running fine for me without either. on the other hand when I close the game and try to do something else shit goes crazy. can running in the wrong region settings cause system instability?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933214
Story is slow and boring
Game gets incredibly fun and tactical and dangerous starting from Alice's bossfight.

[Anonymous No.]

game isn't running for me at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933214
Story is excuse plot, difficulty is random encounters can kill you easily tier, to progress without grinding you will need to rebuild your party and respec your characters often, details are immense, every weapon has its own sprite, hundreds of spells and abilities, over a hundred of those are learnable by Satori who is the blue mage, blue magic learning is pure bullshit and people are thinking about patching it themselves, material drops are also a bit bullshit so patching that is also being considered, each character has their own distinct feel playstyle and skillwise.

It's a pretty decent RPG, just touhou themed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933267
it's malware bro

[Anonymous No.]

the abysmal drop rate for materials reminds me of the Golden Sun crafting. It's the same choice - either crafting very wisely or grinding like there's no tomorrow.

I don't know why I even bothered with Bomb Gohei.

[Anonymous No.]

So what are all characters you get to have in your party eventually?

And can you pick and choose the ones you'd prefer to have, or is it the usual "100s of choices! Only 5 actually work though!" sorta thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933338
You get like 12 I think and the game forces you to split the party a few times so you'll end up using most of everyone to some degree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933338
* Reimu Hakurei
* Marisa Kirisame
* Sanae Kochiya
* Aya Shameimaru
* Patchouli Knowledge
* Sakuya Izayoi
* Nitori Kawashiro
* Alice Margatroid
* Satori Komeiji
* Youmu Konpaku
* Byakuren Hijiri
* Fujiwara no Mokou

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933338
Reimu, light magic mage and healer.
Marisa, black magic mage.
Sanae, healer and buffer.
Aya, speedster and turn manipulater.
Patchouli, barbarian, black mage, and geomancer.
Sakuya, assassin, barbarian, and time mage.
Nitori, elemental marksman.
Alice, tank and defender.
Satori, blue mage.
Youmu, samurai.
Mokou, brawler and fire mage.
Byakuren, light and dark element mage, buffer, debuffer, status inflicter.

Use of every party member and strategy is required if you don't want to have to grind to get through the game. Especially since you need to split the party in several areas.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone else get frustrated when you have really useful skills that don't unlock until level 99 or whatever? it wasn't so bad when I was getting a new spell every couple levels, but now I'm around level 30 and I don't think I'm getting a new one until 40 or so.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7933389
I try to not spoil myself to future rewards. No need to tantalize yourself.

>>7933370
Mokou's not a mage though, it's all high powered fire physical attacks. Rather, she's also the character that can cast reraise. Satori is debuffer and status inflicter as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Why-why can't I take it eajy ;_; Everys trying to kill me ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

hurrrr

pretty neat formation though

[Anonymous No.]

RNG fights are lame.

There's no strategy with a 1/5 chance of losing the fight in a single turn when Satori does a phase change.

[Anonymous No.]

Do characters in the inactive group gain exp/pow?

[Anonymous No.]

Also, do those exp+/pow+ earned items have to be equipped by active party members/commander? Just got Sakuya, Patchy and Nitori and wondering what effect this will have on overall levels/POW.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7934415

pow yes, exp no

[Anonymous No.]

How do i beat Komachi? She uses the spare change money attack that deals 200+ damage to everyone and moves 2-4 times per turn. I'm using Sanae as tank buffer healer in the moriya wall formation Byakuren as debuffer, Reimu Mokou Sakuya as nukers Aya as commander.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7934526

Use Sanae's buffs if you use her. Spam light magic to decrease the damage of Komachi's attacks. If you use Youmu, you can use Asura's stance along with that attack that reduces attack power.

Basically, increase defense, debuff komachi, spam light to increase the light terrain(And therefore reducing Komachi's damage).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7934526
Try debuffing her attack or accuracy, or buffing your physical defense and evasion, make sure to equip mostly physical defense shields, and use Alice in the Freefight formation. You can also spam as many light spells as you can to turn the Land so all of her moves will do less damage. If she decides to toss money on first turn herpderp, you may have to restart. Komachi is weak to magic and will counter-attack physical attacks nearly always.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7934539
>>7934545
Byakuren buffing her IND and debuffing Komachi while Sanae buffed the party. Sakuya kept dying to the instant death. Can death effect be avoided through spells?

[Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv No.]

Welp

[Anonymous No.]

>>7934739
It's a status effect, so resistance prevents it.
Sanae's RES buff is probably the best one she has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7934739

The first thing you should do is have Sanae buff your RES. Also, increase her POW points in her buff-related talents(Increase effect and duration). That will guarantee you an immunity to death at almost all times. Put the anti-death accessory which you should have now on your melee fighters.

[Anonymous No.]

Increase Sanae's buff talents(Duration and Effect). Your characters will almost be immune to the Death status effect. Put an anti-death(You should have one by now) item on your main melee fighter.

[Anonymous No.]

Do I need to apply the latest patches to the prepatched game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7934811

The prepatched version is patched to the latest version, so no.

[Anonymous No.]

for soem reason i cant make the game run, put the Win85 compatibility and nothing, even on the config when i try to change stuff there it resets when i open again >_<

[Anonymous No.]

Any general tips before starting ? Or should I go and discover everything by myself ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7935033
just one thing: expect to die a lot.
When you die in a dungeon, you get thrown to the outside minus the gear you got in the run. Exp stays however.
Game saves automatically.

[Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv No.]

Is there a way to stop Tenshi from doing her Genesis spell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7935900

I don't think I've encountered that spell when I fought her. What's it like?

[Anonymous No.]

Man stage 18 must really love me. I just got my second character specific item drop from here. In the same run. At least I don't have to worry about losing them, I'm pretty much wiping the floor with this place. The 3 save points are really sweat too.

[Anonymous No.]

Just made it to the Palace of Earth Spirits and spent the last half hour trying to fight or run from Mind Flayers and losing before I even made a move. It's really a shame, I want to like this game so much but I just don't have the patience for fights that are closer to impossible than difficult.

[Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv No.]

>>7936014
She starts healing 5k per turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936077
Equip paralyze-resist gear. You probably have one or two pieces at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936085
I don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7935900
She'll only use that move if you apply a field spell. (This includes Marisa's last word)
So don't use any field spells for that fight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936099

You know, I was wondering why it said not to use field spells. I thought it meant don't use stuff that changes the elemental fields like Thunderclap, but I used it to keep Tenshi's healing low and didn't understand why it said that.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7936077
But that's the thing, you're don't have to win all the fights. You can heal and walk back in and keep, enemies won't respawn for a good while. That said, you can also exploit their weaknesses or use gear strong against their status effects. Don't think of dying as a bad thing though. You should even die strategically if you're not carrying anything rare. Closing the game is the same thing as dying except without the death count. You want to die a lot for formation rewards.

It's the Immortal Fighting style!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7933370
>Patchouli, barbarian

oh god what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936124
But they have no weakness, picking up gear or materials that can actually be useful is just a crapshoot with low odds, and even with a few resist items they can ruin the fight before you have a chance to do anything about it. Dying over and over again trying to run from a fight until you get a party you can handle isn't fun, it's just stupidly frustrating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936144
I think the game is too REAL DEAL for you.
You should stick with final fantasy where you just press X.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936077

Sanae + dagger + 3 points into dagger skill for +20 speed + points into casting speed + RES buff spell at the beginning of every battle with flayers

The cats in that dungeon drop the Quickblade, which gives another 25 speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936144

Stick on the accessory to resist paralysis on Marisa (which you should have), and blast them with lightning. Doesn't take more than a couple shots, and you should be fine unless they kill her. I died a couple times to them too, but they're nothing more than paralyze and insta-death, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936077
use Sanae, her res up spell basically protects you from those status, if you that scared then put points into her buff tree so she gets faster cast spell

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936144
Flayers are weak to stab. Use a spear or Gun on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936144
Lazy ass casual can't stand when a game keeps him on his toes. Toughen up, soldier.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7936144
Dunno, I enjoy dying and just getting back up a lot since it's Mokou style. It's just part of the gameplay. You keep all exp and pow and they generally don't respawn unless you die alot.

But frankly, if enemy encounters are tough, you need to rely on your Metal Gear skills! The majority of enemies can just be avoided, or tricked if you literally run circles around them.

Also, they're weak to lances, and there are ways to deal with them even early on. Aya can prevent you from getting ambushed and give you higher priority to run, at least.

Their biggest weakness though is their own medicine. They've very vulnerable to instant death.

That said, they're certainly among That One Enemy of the game.

>>7936138
It's totally true! Behold, MACHOULI!

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's wrong that I spend all my materials on Byakuren.

I need to stop this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936190
Not sure how that's much of a problem since the materials her weapons need aren't very useful for much in general besides the golden ingredients. Now iron, you gotta be careful with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936179
But..But..Hitting elemental weaknesses and non-stop re-use of healing and revives are the only strategies that RPGs are about!

Humph, who needs strategic sense! I'll just play a game of reactionary measures! I get hurt i potion, someone dies I revive, bosses should be just auto-attack fights with items needed!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936263

Actually, I'm guilty of the heal and weakness hitting spam. That's what I've been doing since they very start of the game, if it doesn't work one way I try a different way to get the heal spam working. It's gotten me to stage 17 so far so may as well keep it going even if it won't be effective later.

[Anonymous No.]

i downloaded the game, but how do i install it? I can find no installation application in any of the 5 parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936291

Just run 東方蒼神縁起.exe. I'd also suggest reading the README that was with the download, just in case.

[Anonymous No.]

What area of the forest of magic has the most Apostles and Yuki Onnas?

[Anonymous No.]

the fuck? just fought Wriggle and Mystia and they both died from the death status effect cause by Youmu's lv10 Katana skill. Is this suppose to happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936308
This is one of the game's charm points.

Average-level Reimu one-shotting Okuu with Sanae 3-bomb commander and Byakuren buff
Spamming Byakuren 25-scroll party-buff so Shougorori desperately dispells non-stop and does absolutely nothing else
Reisen/Tei's crappy abusable RES stat etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Youmu goes 4 turns and two Octopus Maelstroms by herself against Chihiro. Jesus fuck I am so fucking in love with her.

Also, took down Akame with only Sakuya and Mokou. So much burst damage. Time to see if the team I made can beat Kagami.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7936356
Mandatory "Kagami's Hyper Fang Rush is the only missable in the game" alert

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936216
But I'm using things for accessories too. Like a the stage 16-17 specific mat on induction necklaces and shit.

>>7936356
Whelp, my team got decimated by Kagami. I have no idea what order I want to take these women on, seeing as they all have a chance at gimping my team.

[Anonymous No.]

What does the AT stat do? I see it on my character screens and Marisa has like 300 more than everyone else.

I'd look through the thread, but ctrl+f would probably give me 100 different results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936401
That's till you level silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936356
You can do it with Mokou and anyone. Or just Mokou if you want to try your luck and have her be the first battle.
Just put para resist and hope for either a crit or a double. If you get a double + both crits you can probably one round her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936158
Thanks, this one worked out for me. Gave up for a bit and then went back to it, and just finished up Satori. I dunno if I just missed a lot of chests, or have no luck, because I just don't have a lot of the status resist accessories, and it seems like a waste to synthesize them when materials are so hard to come by and it'll only help against certain enemies, and in the case of mind flayers they can still wipe a party out anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936301
For whatever reason, the application is only 13kb and wont do anything when I attempt to run it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936303
a couple screens down from where you fought alice

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936417
hahaha..no. this requires a specific set-up for one-shot to work against Akame. doubles don't work either the massive damage requires Mokou to equip a specific spear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936488
Doubles don't what?

I admit, I do have a poison charm on, and it does take a bit of RNG, but it works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936488
You do realize a crit with the blind fist weapons hits for 9-10k. If you get the double attack proc and somehow crit again that's 18-20k.
Otherwise the double attack will hit for ~10k no crit, and you only need Mokou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936516
but my method doesn't require any RNG. if i had Sanae's last word buff, the damage could have been 26000.

you can try your dumb method all you want but the chances of happening is stupidly low, it's not even worth trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936539
and it was simply an added bonus. She can still win the fight on her own most of the time with no crits or occasional attacks, or with 2 people nearly 100% of the time.
Don't see why you feel the need to attack someone that was pointing out that you can use her and any one body to finish that fight in order to make the others easier you don't need 2 of the more useful characters.

Unless your goal was to 1 shot every boss, good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936553
Your numbers are a little stretched. I don't think your points are moot, but winning alone most of the time? No way. And there is always a chance she will get gibed by 1000 needles.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you only get the expansion characters in the post game?
Also, why is it that sometimes, my outfield character get power-ups? I remember that Aya I left out there getting some extra points at least once or twice, even when I wasn't using her.

[Anonymous No.]

Just beat Kagami and didn't learn Hyper Fang Crush. No regrets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936557
little? more like he stretched it by a lot.

>>7936564
characters not in party still get P's but only half as much than the actual gained in battle.

[Anonymous No.]

Been meaning to ask this, but do you stop gaining P when you hit max level?

Is there a limit to that shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936598
level 99 is the max.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7936598
No, growth and level are completely seperate

[Anonymous No.]

Trying to learn frost from Yuki Onnas is a bigger pain in the ass than petro breath and mind blast combined. Is...uh..."Gen sea of rapture" as endgame an area as it sounds? Because otherwise I'm considering waiting until I get there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936589
>>7936557
Just tried it 10 times in 2p with Marisa as a body hitting for ~700 but adding fire land. No failures, but Marisa always died, and the boss died on round 4 or 3 if there was a crit or proc. 1p was 6 of 10. If she didn't proc her extra attacks or crit she was dead because round 5+ seems to have a large chance of 1000 needles.

Small trials, so it isn't statistically sound, but that's way more than enough chance considering the fight lasts <1m and if you die you just close the game and you are right at the save point before with your party already set up. Makes it so you can have full parties for the other two which people seem have trouble on.

pic is lucky hit, highest non-crit.

[Anonymous No.]

I just beat alice. Now I'm using her as a tank, but right now she really can't take a hit. Where can I get better equipment for her.


Also, are you expected to grind for equipment in this? I need some fire stuff because these enemies hurt like hell, but finding materials isn't so easy.

[Anonymous No.]

Technical question for those who have Windows 7 Home: how did you get around the East Asian Languages problem? Was going to play this on a laptop but its OS is Windows 7 Home Premium, whereas my home computer is just XP

[Anonymous No.]

>>7936756
all three are equally easy imo. it's the matter of whether any of the three will pull off BS moves in the beginning of the fight.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, so I just beat Satori and got her in my party. I've been reading the horror stories at learning skills, and I'm not really that 100% completionist, I just want another useful party member. How should I go about using her off the bat? Are there any easy skills to learn as soon as you get her that are useful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937465
get mind blast from the mind flayers and shadow burst from the priests in the next level. satori can do lots of shit but she seems to run out of mp really quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937465

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros/Characters/Satori_Komeiji

First I'd go back to the SDM and learn some of the single target elemental skills, except for Demon Shock, unless you get lucky, because it's a 1% base learn chance. For a Dark skill, try to find something that uses Energy Drain and get it from that. It's one of the most used skills for me and I don't think I could live without it.

After that, you might wanna go get Flame and Cold, or some breath skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937512

I forgot to mention it, but someone else did for me. Mind Blast is an awesome skill to have. Mind Flayers suck though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937465

One of the best things Satori has early on is Scan.

Seing enemy HP and weaknesses are quite useful for new areas.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone else dislike elemental attacks because you feel like you need to have one attack for each element and you don't want to dedicate 4 slots to it?

[Anonymous No.]

Hopefully 4chan's posting thing is working as it should now...
Do those bonuses you get from putting points into things in the growth menu stack? For example, does a Sakuya with 20 points in 2H Sword Training 3 get 160 more PATK (because of the +20 and +50 from level 1 and 2)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937571

No, I don't think so. Because I've noticed MP gains from skill trees are very minimal. I think it's like, if you have a 10% MP boost and then spec into a 20% MP boost, your 10% becomes 20%, instead of having 30% or whatever.

If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937571
doesn't seem so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937592
>>7937588
>>7937571
I think it should atleast, since putting 20 points into staves for anyone makes them regen 3 mp per turn.

[Anonymous No.]

Part 5 and part 2 are dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938022

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm trying to learn Refresh from an Undine in Stage 17, but apparently Charming this thing doesn't work or something. I have about 140-150 IND, I'm buffing with Hyper Trigger, debuffing its RES with Youmu, and yet I had about 10 Charm fails in a row. What gives?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7932818
I downloaded all the files from the mediafire link but it didn't have the installer. Can i get a link please?

[Anonymous No.]

I've got 25 points in Sanae's buffing tree, and her RES buff still isn't cutting it against Cirno. Some people still get frozen and Momiji kills them. What should I do?

[Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv No.]

>>7938414
Use Reimu's barrier. Then proceed to beat the living shit out of Momiji before she kills you.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck fuckity fuck fuck FUCK!

WHY WON'T YOU LEARN IT?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938414
Cirno is quite vulnerable to fire...
enchant Nitori with fire, and Rage-Eight that idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938666
you know that in each battle, you only have one chance to learn a spell? If Satori gets hit with it and no learning occurs, you have to leave and engage again.

Yeah, learning is kinda retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938666
You can't learn Blizzard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937994

The bonuses definitely do not stack. You are right about the mp regen on the staves, but that seems to be a bug or a typo. Marisa's broom's say 3 and actually give 3 per turn instead of 4 if they stacked.

It's pretty easy to check, just check what a stat is with a growth bar empty, then again when it's full. Mokou's Patk only goes up by 70 with a maxed Phoenix tree, you only get 50 Patk by the end of axes.

>>7938043

I'm pretty sure Undine is immune to charm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938691

Well fuck me, I could have sworn I read that I could on the Japanese wiki. Maybe I got mixed up somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938710
You can learn Frost if you want an all-targeting ice attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>praying mantis
>taste for murder
>prey upon elephants

What.

[Mush !lYtRBoeK.2 No.]

Just started playing here, kinda lost in growth options.

What should I focus on? Should I spread myself out? Are the Boost lines worth it, or should I only spend on skills? Weapons? Why can't I even equip the ones I found?

I need a bit of direction, my autism won't let me continue without knowing what I'm getting into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938773
You can redistribute points as much as you want, at any time you want. Explore!
I usually use the stat boosts as filler until I get enough points to go further down a tree that matters.
You don't need to put growth into weapon trees to use them, though you should if the character is going to be using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938773
The points for growth should depend on the character and your own preferences. Play for a bit, pick up some new gear and decide for yourself how you should spend those points. Also, you can undo how you spent them just in case you aren't happy with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938773
Oh, and you can't equip stuff you find until you return to the world map with it.

[Mush !lYtRBoeK.2 No.]

>>7938783
>>7938788
The ability to undo points? BRILLIANT.

Now I can test, explore, and take it easy to my heart's content. More games need to do this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938773

I know exactly how you feel.

First, you can redistribute your growth points freely at no penalty, so try whatever you want.

Second, as strange as it is, you have to leave the dungeon to be able to use any of the equipment you found. If you die before, you lose it. If you got it from a chest it does go back to that chest o it isn't a big deal.

Third,
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros

Also the manual that came with it helps.

Lastly, I would argue that Sanae's Res buff that she gets at level 5 is the best spell in the game. Get used to it because status effect absolutely rape you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938805
>Lastly, I would argue that Sanae's Res buff that she gets at level 5 is the best spell in the game. Get used to it because status effect absolutely rape you.
This, this, this. Almost every difficult encounter can be made MUCH easier by having Sanae buff your RES at the start.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Alice a useless bitch, all her abilites are greyed out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938805
>>7938807
instead of buffing RES, I would use Illusionary Dominance instead and nuke the enemies whenever you see those permanent-assholes. Mind Flayer, i look at you!!

>>7938811
put a shield on her.

[Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv No.]

>>7938811
Equip a shield.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938705

Explains a lot. How am I supposed to learn Refresh, though? Doesn't seem like Control works either.

[Anonymous No.]

I want the original ISO. Where can I download it?

[Anonymous No.]

Running through Netherworld right now.

Found the second silver chest but no other silver key anywhere in sight. I checked the Japanese wiki and it states that the silver keys are in areas E and J but I don't see a key in neither of them. I know I picked up and used one key already but I don't remember which key it was. Is the other key trickier to find and I'm totally missing something?

[Anonymous No.]

Nevermind I found it, I didn't take one of the damn teleporters that WASN'T a way back to the serpent road.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I get to that chest in level 4, which is right behind a wall of fire? I don't see any passages leading there and sadly I don't have a fire extinguisher.

[Anonymous No.]

Man I really wish there was a solution to this over time lagging. After running the game for a while, it really starts to lag, and running past monsters become impossible,
the screen freezes for about 2 seconds before I see where I can see where I am.

I really do love this game though, the only thing I don't really like is how useless regular attack is.
My team is primarily Melee and focuses on buffs and debuffs, so even though I destroy everything, I'm really mana dependent.
Sometimes I wish I had the option to just use regular attack to take down some enemies before I start to fall behind.
I'm grateful for how many play styles work in this game though. Is there anyone here who can actually use res regularly? The shit is nearly impossible for me, because if anyone dies
it basically means I lost, with all the buff losses and stuff.

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>>7938906
Later in the game when you start finding and crafting more weapons with slayer, regular attacks do very well as well as weapons with status ailments that are being buffed.

I go more for the magic sweeping team for encouters. Spamming AOE spells. A lot of people go for a chaser abuse party, other go for a fuck them up with status like para and petri.

Weird about the time lagging, I don't think I've seen anyone else post with that problem...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7937465
I said this last night and holy shit is this addicting. I picked up mind blast before I went to bed, and spent about an hour and a half getting everything out of SDM except Demon Shock, I had a good fifteen chances on it or so but figured I'd go back when I can finish off the Satori tree. It's more fun than I expected, though, and I just got really lucky and got Shadow Burst on my first try scanning through the first few fights in Netherworld.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938929
Well I'm already pretty late in the game, well at least in the pre expansion, running through stage 20 now.

Sakuya's auto attack does do well vs. her slayer targets, but my other two damaging melee are Mokou and Youmu. They're pretty much useless when it comes to auto attacks though. Though Youmu doesn't have MP problems.

I'm guessing the lag is some sort of memory leak. Restarting the game resets it, so when I see it start, most of the time I start heading to a save of out of the dungeon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938906
It only should happen if you keep the game open for a really long time. Like 12+ hours. Just restart the game when you have the chance.
Mokou's normal attack is for afflicting status effects with her fists with no mp. You are much better off using Mach Punch to do it though. Blind and Silence are both heavily crippling and the fist line lets you increase the chance of the debuffs landing greatly
Youmu's does instant death I believe, but normal attacks aren't really meant to be great. you can use low level against targets with no slayer.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7938765
Elephants are chumps

>>7938958
Did you reduce the number of backup saves? The default is 999 backups which can cause lag...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939128
I did previously, but I just checked and the game managed to make 999 saves before the change. I've deleted most so I hope I see some improvement. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Anonymous No.]

Hina was kind of lame. I bought her down to about 40% and prepared to one shot her by stacking 5 varities and 2 def downs than firing off a Idling Wave with a fully buffed Reisen for 80k+, but she still survives with about 10% hp even if you try to do that and casts all reflect.
Of course she went down easy as pie when I swapped in someone with reflect ignore, but still.

[Anonymous No.]

are there any tricks to not run out of mp? constantly running back to the shrine to refill is annoying since it lets the monsters respawn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938958
You're not alone there, the game can get laggy pretty quickly here too (my computer is pretty damn old, by the way). Apparently, that happens more often if I spend too much time on the menus.
I wish someone would translate the config.exe so I could know if it's possible to change anything in there.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't experienced any slowdown while playing the game, but after I close it this kind of thing starts to happen until I reboot my computer.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow Final Finger is pretty boss.
Oddly enough on many things Remilia is tanking better than Mokou, but Mokou is doing more damage. Maybe I'm just running a bad setup with her.
So far Reisen and Yuugi are the powerhouses though

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939386
Wow.
My bet is that it does something to the video memory, so if you don't have a somewhat good graphics card it will consume everything. I know for a fact that I don't (mine's a puny GeForce 6200, for example) and the game slows down quite marvelously in here.

[Anonymous No.]

I've gotten the two youkai mountain rocks from the chests as well as a lucky drop from a crow. I made Alice's rainbow greaves with the rock I got from the crow, but none of the other weapons look that interesting. I'm considering getting Youmu and Sakuya's character specific armors due to that. What did you guys get for tier 4 equipment?

I'm also right before Kanako and Suwako now and everybody's about level 30. Well scratch that since 4chan isn't working and I can't post, beat them after retrying a few times before Youmu got to use her last word on her second turn. Then it was a matter of whacking on a petrified Suwako. Now the party's like 30-31.

[Anonymous No.]

>Aya uses Illusionary Dominance.
>Yukkuri sisters run immediately before any other party members can act.

Damn it, Aya!

[Anonymous No.]

Oh god the second part of Youkai Mountain is so hard... after the second miniboss

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939529
It seemed fairly easy to me. Alice makes the tengus a joke. Simply have her wind spectrum to make those tornados be insignificant or little legion if you don't want any of your other characters dazed. Bring mages with wind spells to make sure the tengus die fast as well. Didn't have any trouble at levels 27-30 at least.

Also got Satori a multi target wind spell to complete the set.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939546

Just made it to stage 12, I still think i'm gonna have trouble with this, what party did you use?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939546
Acid burst is water? Huh.
Is it any good? I've been looking at frost, but acid burst debuffs, so if it does good enough damage...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939577
I'm pushing up with this thrown-together team and doing fine. Marisa can oneshot the tengus with her stardust bomb, but they aren't posing as big a threat as you'd think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939606
derp

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939577
Mostly the same except I was using Nitori and Satori in place of Reimu and Marisa there.

Nitori's high ACC was useful against the tengus, but so is magic. Keep in mind her attack techniques are quite strong and wide hitting and don't use bombs, she might run out of MP though. consider her switchable with Marisa really.

Satori didn't do much besides cast shining stars and plasma ball, but the plasma ball really helped against the tengus. Oh and acid storm when fighting those fire based enemies later on.

I also remember using Byakuren a bit who was specced for induction. I had her cast makai butterfly a lot. If you build her for IND that charms the enemies quite frequently. It's quite useful in the since it takes enemies out of the fight for as long as they're charmed. Also magical attacks don't uncharm enemies when they hit them most of the time.

Alice's little legion skill is invaluable here. Tornado? Bamf, 0,0,0,0,0 damage on Alice and she already took her turn so nobody's dazed. Any physical attack? Alice's defense is so fucking high it laughs. I also gave her an upgraded death protection accessory. Also you can just use spectrum mystery if it's a very obvious fire based enemy party.

My strategy was simply to thin out the enemy enough in the first turrn while Alice was little legioning or spectrum mysterying. Also this was her equipment, I was using aluminium mail and a ruby shield before the mana shield dropped off a rafflesia and I found the youkai mail in a chest.

Also don't be afraid to run back to the start to save your found treasures or to run past and away from enemies. Juking skills are invaluable in this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939598
Decided to do a comparison for you. It seems frost does a bit more damage, but acid storm is less MP and can debuff PDEF which is good if you have physical attackers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939672
And now I remember it says it lowers enemy PATK instead of enemy PDEF. Translation error?

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, PDEF is what gets debuffed it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

I equipped satori with raising heart and gave her star blaze and falling stars. what other magical girl spells should I have her learn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939514
you should put some points in reporting if you're going yukkuri hunting

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to play with a Joypad? Everytime I try to change the controls in the config.exe it just resets itself when I close it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a good strategy to grind either Udonge or Tewi for exp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939727
You misunderstand. Aya casted Illusionary Dominance. I didn't mean the yukkuris ran away before that. I meant Aya cast Illusionary Dominance then before any other member of my party could act, the yukkuris ran away completely ignoring the fact my party had headstart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939743
You'd be better off farming power. Power means so much more then levels.

[Anonymous No.]

I seem to have run into an issue; my firewall seems to detect the game as malware. Should I just let it through as a mistaken classification?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939756
well that is quite strange a minor bug maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939777
Did you get the game from the links in the OP? If so then it's very likely a false positive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939514
She's TRYING, ok!? She's TRYING! It's not her fault she got gimped in this game!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939789
Ah, I suppose that might be it.

[Anonymous No.]

Nitori's second-rate cucumbers are going to be the world-saving plot device, I just know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939697
>>7939546
what enemy did you learn that shining stars move from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939817
Angels. I got mine from apostles in the forest of magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939817

You get it from those angel enemies. The guys with the Power and Virtue and whatnot types of names. Watch out that they don't kick your butt though, first time Satori learned it, the thing moved twice in one turn and killed my party. I got it later on anyways, but that still frustrated me.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanako and Suwako have an awesome collective sprite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939777
This fellow again.

I seem to have run into another issue; it looks as if the game froze on me when Reimu was taking about how hot the sun is and the game refuses to run if I don't use NTLEA to do so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939827
>>7939832
looking at my satori again apparently I've been using that move all along. I could have sworn it was called something else though. maybe the translation from the english wiki is different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939914
How about you read the readme file that comes with the download so I don't have to tell you that you need to run the game in 95 compatibility mode and with non unicode programs set to japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Currently at Inner Eientei. Feels like I'm totally outclassed by everything.

[Anonymous No.]

Death to shitty RNG paralysis spam really isn't that annoying. Losing rare items drops is sort of annoying but tolerable since they become more frequent later on in the game. What is annoying is losing every chest you've opened without saving/leaving a dungeon because you figured a save spot would be coming up and you didn't feel like spending 5 minutes just backtracking to the last save spot, possibly having the game crash for no fucking reason. I think someone mentioned a way to revert back to a slightly older save in a previous thread but I'm blanking on how exactly it was done.

Need to take a break for now

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940002
Inner Eientei is ridiculously tough. Put 25 points in Sanae's buff tree and use her RES buff at the start of every battle, and use an actual tank. Mokou's good here, both for tanking and damage, and her latest fists have a silence effect, which is very, very useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940046
Just got wiped right now. Feels bad. All dem items. Really going to need Sanae for this one. Even the death tip says so. All the enemies either have debuffs everywhere or double-turn high-damage moves.

[Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv No.]

>>7940059
Brotip: use Mokou's Mach Punch + Silence gauntlets and laugh at how harmless the time stopping bitches become.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940079
I'll have to backtrack then and grab some seeds/peaches. Fresh out of both.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Mokou learn so few spells?
Also...
>Final Finger
Please tell me this is what I think it is.

[Anonymous No.]

Deleted the rant, only had to go 2 or so backups to find a save I liked. Only bummer is losing the Sponge Armor upgrade for Mokou.

About how much speed does Sanae need to beat Mindflayers to act first, and this obtainable with a level 15 Sanae who does not have a quickblade?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940088
Do it. The silence fist is very worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

Freakin' Komachi. I only just barely survived using Alice, Sanae, Mokou, Marisa and Patchy. Boosted fire field, matk and fire damage through the roof and spammed fire spellcards with chance of double attack for 1500-2000 damage per round. Everyone just sacrificed themselves for Patchy to pull through as the last touhou standing and deal the killing blow.

The game promptly crashed in the next cutscene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940092
I personally haven't given much thought to Mokou. How do I spec her growth? points in punch for mach punch, points in the physical tree that raises her attack time, points in fire land heal+def

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940110
Komachi has the amazing ability to be horrendously hard for some people are pitifully easy for others. I don't know how she does it.

[Anonymous No.]

what does the lever on the left side of outer eientei do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940121
My issue is that I built a Physical powerhouse team around melee attacks that hit the whole field or did a ton of single damage, without the need to rest. Against Komachi my main team just did pitiful damage and was instant death countered. Thus, I had to resort to level 12 spell casters and hold on to dear life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940085

Tacking onto this post: I'm wanting to use a Mokou, Sanae, Byakuren, Marisa and Patchouli formation on my way to get Satori. Only things I'm really not liking about this setup are not having a fast enough Sanae for RES and being weak in the physical damage department. Thinking about using freestyle/gensoukyou's fastest for the extra speed boost and Byakuren for Aya or Sakuya but they're horribly underleveled.

Equipment wise, are there any character only weapons available this early in the game worth spending materials on for synthesis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940002
>>7940059
I didn't use Sanae at all and I got through Inner Eientei at about levels 22-26. It was actually pretty easy for me.

I simply used Mokou, Sakuya, Youmu, Marisa, and Nitori. Get Marisa's laser tree to slayer effects, get Nitori one of her craft guns, get Sakuya her 3rd tier sword and kill everything before it can kill you. Also Mokou had her silence fists.

It worked pretty damn well. Simply prioritize moon maidens then ninjas. Shouldn't have many problems really. Those moon maidens can't time stop you when they're already dead or silenced. I think I only really wiped once going through Inner Eientei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940158
Having trouble with Satori's dungeon?
Around that time I just ran from any group that had more than 1 mindflayer. Otherwise, all the damage spells unload on the flayer first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940121
>>7940110
I think it is hardly for people without Byakuren.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940121
>>7940110
It is only hard if you dont use Byakuren.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940173

Only reason I'm using this group is because it seems to be the best for using melon sword, white lance, and game axe thing. Now that I switched in Sakuya for Byakuren, Mokou can go back to her fists and at least counter attacks. If all else fails, I have Aya as the commander so that I can just force my party to act first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940158
Score a quickblade from the cat things in the Palace of earth spirits, Give to Sanae for have really fast turn order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940158
dump more points into Sanae's buff tree for faster cast time, at lv3 there's a +50% cast spd up

[Anonymous No.]

going through inner eientei I think I'm having more trouble with mp than I am with enemies. I can kill the moon race easy enough with nitori's spitfire attack, but she runs out really quickly that way.

[Anonymous No.]

Was author tried to create shittest intro?

"Ohh! the mist!"
"Look! it the mist"
"Mist must be cause of this"
"Mist must be cause of this"
"Mist must be cause of this"
"Mist must be cause of this"
"MIST!

Some faces must be punched

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940274
you might try Byakuren spamming her 1st commander spell during each battle.

Personally, I have a much larger problem with her bombs. Purgatory Impale is just too good. Oh well, there's always Rage 8
Nitori in general is damn good for the mid game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940292
that only lets me use 1-2 more spells every time she uses it so it's not a very good solution. as for nitori's elemental attacks I've barely been using them. giga crash is nice if I run into a big group of those computer part things, but I've mainly been using her gun attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940307
If you enchant her with Ele weapon and hit ele-weak enemies with the Giga Crush, Hilarity will ensue!

[Anonymous No.]

how long is this game?

[Anonymous No.]

Just beat Satori (twice STOP CRASHING PLEASE) without any problem at all, but boy I did not expect that Elixir. Not that it slowed me down too much, though, as Sakuya had gotten to use Sakuya's World that time.
The only annoying part was when she used the Earth mode at the beginning of the fight. Please take damage satori

By the way, is there some kind of elemental damage bonus just taking elements in consideration? As in, for example, Fire dealing more damage to Earth property targets just because they're Earth, and not because they have a weakness to Earth.

>>7940421
People in other threads have said that the main game, not counting the expansion, is around 100 hours. oh no

[Anonymous No.]

Ah yeah, forgot to mention that playing around with the VRAM size on the config.exe didn't help much against these slowdowns I (and some other Anons, it seems) am having. Bummer. According to that thing, there isn't really much more I can do to make the performance better, other than changing those lines in Game.ini to 16 bit colors (which I've already done).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940432
That's awesome. Will be downloading this, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

so um, how do I apply the patch?

[Anonymous No.]

goddamn this boss fight is fucking horseshit. even with slayer effect master spark only does 800 damage, and when I finally get their health low kaguya fully heals them both. I tried using sakuya's killing world to prevent healing, but then I slowly die to eirin's net shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940604
there is one easy way out.
mess with Kaguya's mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940610
none of my characters can do that though and changing my party setup would mess up my exp. I'm trying to win with raymoo, marisa, nitori, sakuya, alice, and youmu. I'm not really having trouble staying alive, but I just can't do enough damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940623
you're not another one of those stubborn people who refuse to train their party equally?
You should. Unless you've beaten the game already and perfectly know what to do.

Seriously, just use Byakuren. She is the most situational of your guys, true, but if used right, she does MIRACLES.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940432
>By the way, is there some kind of elemental damage bonus just taking elements in consideration?

ELECTRIC - EARTH
FIRE - WATER
LIGHT - DARK

Each element does massive damage to the one adjacent to it. Remember back to the elements tutorial at the very beginning of the game.

>>7940623

Set up your killing world correctly.
Make sure sanae's attack up/defense up buffs are used, make sure everybody is fully healed, and have at least 1 (reimu's doesn't count) last words ready before you enter.

And then, try to get the boss as low as possible before entering killing world and going nuts.

If you want to take the "MY STRAT WILL WORK FOR THIS FIGHT SO HELP ME GOD" approach, you either have to grind your ass off or be patient (it may take 2-3 fights for everything to be set up right and with decent boss skill RNG not fucking you).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940630
no my party is even which is why I don't want to change the setup. it took me like 4 hours to get through eientei because I kept restarting every time I got hit with removal because it ruined my exp balance. I guess I could switch my entire party but that would be kind of lame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940659
Why would you do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940679
Hyper autism

[Anonymous No.]

ok here are the setups I've been using. reimu and marisa have the exact same exp totals. sakuya and nitori have 7 exp less. who should I use to beat kaguya without mesing up my party balance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940795
Try grinding for hours.

[Anonymous No.]

So, I've just started playing this...any tips for a begginer? Something I should look out for?

Also, how do I save?

[Anonymous No.]

I just started playing this. Trying to discover which key is A X Y and how to save for now. After that important achievement, is there anything in particular I should look out for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940795
>Sunshine Lunch
nigga you serious?

[Anonymous No.]

Guy who was trying to get Refresh from the Undine yesterday here.

Do you think casting Reflect Wall on her would work? I feel like I'm out of options here to learn that fuckin' skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940931
google translate gibberish search gave me this

Andain 210 (Xuanwu Lake) learning disabled
>Andain
means probably Undine
>disabled
there you go.

who else has it?

turtle spirit 252 (Great Temple),
Sphinx 271 (clot Gorugon)
321 Admiral (level 3 abnormalities)
Large immortal 344 (hate magic forest)
Oh procrastinator 369 (unrelated to hate Mound)

[Anonymous No.]

>>7940975

Ah, I see. Thanks a ton.

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

I can't see why people would just want to stick with one team. I enjoy using different strategy with different parties. Even parties that look like they suck I eventually find a good way to use them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941232

Character favoritism is my reason.

[Anonymous No.]

Aww man. Nitori finished off Momiji with her rifle. It reminded me of when I was a kid and dad shot our dog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7939514

illusionary dominance doesen't apply till your next turn

[Anonymous No.]

Just got Satori, what are some handy and accessible skills that she can learn? Figure I can try to item/pow grind while trying to make her useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941359
Mind blast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941369

I'll work on that one when I get her to around 10 or so. What about abilities in SDM or Forest of Magic, excluding that Undine ability that someone in the thread thought could be learned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941352
that's peerless wind god, the field spell
illusionary dominance is the bomb skill that the player's team move first on the turn it is used
>>7941359
energy drain
those single elemental spells from the fairy mages in SDM

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941379
Flame and Frost, the All-attacking spells.
But I would come back muuuuch later. Satori is horrible until about level 20. Trying to learn anything will only make you rage.

With 30 she can get the awesome Petro Breath. And stage 11 offers Area Heal.
Why the fuck is Mass Heal so expensive anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941383
probably because it heals the whole map like Sanae's bomb heal. anyone gotten the single heal from Kaguya? i missed it and wonder where you get to learn it again

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941377

I've seen Energy Drain mentioned a few times in thread but can't find on the wiki what monsters have this skill.

>>7941383

Well, I'm doing this now since I need to help level some characters I've been neglecting. Course, the longer I wait to learn, the more exp she'll gain from fights I guess. What stage would be a good time to bother with Satori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941393
I think the Zombie Fairies have Drain. Does dark damage, pretty nifty.
Another nice spell is the Light area effect star rain thing...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941393

She starts to pick up a lot during Youkai Mountain, at least that's what I think. Some people say otherwise, my Satori didn't get good until then, I kept her in my party from since the time I got her.

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

Yeah I finally got lucky for it to cast mass heal on me, then I saw the high MP cost. Oh well, good enough as a back up heal.

Also got lucky and learned Fire Breath as I was trying to get Flame. I know breath's damge is sort of weird, but it would seem that Flame is generally better than firebreath. What's the trick to breaths?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941393
i would say when you have better equipment and at a higher level
>>7941409
high hp meaning putting +hp eq on her

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941359
All the spells from the mage maids in scarlet mansion (should get you an earth, fire, water, and elec spell, very handy to have all 4)
blood suck from bats in scarlet mansion.
the drain from the ghosts in the scarlet mansion can also be learned.

The easiest way to learn stuff is to level the shit out of satori, then go to the current dungeon and kill off all other party members until they stop coming back to life, and then going to a low level place with the spell you want. When all the spells are targeted to satori, it's much less of a hassle to get the monsters to target satori with them.

Also, having a maxed learning tree makes things easier as well, which you'll need to level the shit out of satori to get anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941449
You can just stack IND on Byakuren and use control. With Youmu as the commander it is even easier. You can also just do a 1 person party.

[Anonymous No.]

What does this mean? I get this error when I try to start.

Japanese local is set

Running it on Windows 95 compatibility

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941460

install direct x 9

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>>7941412
Ah, so the higher Satori's hp is then?

Does it still use MATK or just HP?

Though I hear that breath attacks aren't generally worth it, I like to mess around with different things.

I had her going poison with her green eyes for a bit with her green eyes, always Venom, rarely Toxic. Her IND is just to low right now, need more gear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941481

Breath skills are physical, I believe, indicated by the small fist on the skill icon.

That's what I like about Satori. She can be a physical character, a status-inducer, a caster, or a status-inducing caster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941522
>She can be a physical character, a status-inducer, a caster, AND a status-inducing caster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941481
Breath Attacks aren't really worth trying to learn on purpose because they are 1%, because you'll learn them eventually as you grind for items or whatnot.
They are pretty useful though, as they count as physical elemental attacks like chasers, Sanae, Mokou, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941481
it's a physical attack, but the more hp you have the more damage it does hence why it says affected by hp

[Anonymous No.]

Since you guys are already discussing Satori: How can I teach her healing skills? When I use control on enemies that should know them there is no option to actually use them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941643

You need to charm for Area Heal, but you can control for Mass Heal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941643
most defensive skills are gotten through charm

[Anonymous No.]

How many silver chests are there in Netherworld? I've obtained 2 keys but only 1 chest in that area where you can loot a celestial peach.

Speaking of peaches, I have 2 now, got lucky from one dropping. Still haven't decided on who to make an upgrade for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7941987

only make an upgrade if you go to a new area and, out of nowhere, get your ass royally kicked by everything.

If you can make it to the boss, your party should be strong enough to defeat said boss with the correct strat.

save your mats whenever possible.

You'll want a peach for mukyuu's fisticuffs, eventually

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus, what's the drop rate on peaches? 3rd one I've had drop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942042
lowish, less than 10% i am guessing

[Anonymous No.]

Still trying to figure out a good use for Satori. So far I've learned Mind Blast, Shadow Burst, Demon Shock, and the four elemental skills from the faries in SDM. I thought I'd try to use her as a third-string caster behind Marisa and Patchy for moving through dungeons, but the damage is pretty underwhelming, especially on the dark attacks on fairies that are weak to dark. Anyone use her this way? I figured a full 25 points in satori would be best for the mana reduction on skills and damage increase, and I only have two extra points which I threw in staves and gave her a staff I picked up, but I'm wondering if it'd be more worth it to craft her second-tier eye(still on stage 7). Her MP is brutal, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942238
The only good damage use for her until endgame+ is to set off multi-target chasers. If you aren't doing that then you want to use her as a debuffer / support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942238

She starts off slow, and starts to pick up later on. Around where I'm at she's a bit better than Marisa actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942238
Take 5 points out of Satori, you don't need that last 25% that much. Put it in staves and you have some more MATK. You'll want to put 3 more points into staves for MP regen. At that point it's 30 power level. When you get another 6 points put that into stave for the next MATK increase. Another 7 points after that, take those 6 points out of staves and put 13 into Third Eye for the larger ATK increase as well as MP bonuses. Then with the next 6 points after that put it back in staves to get stave training 3 again. That's all the bonuses to her magic Satori can get.

I think why people say Satori comes around by then is that's about when she gets enough skill points to be built like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942287
Meant to say when Satori comes around by Youkai Mountain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942238
Satori's worth isnt display much in pre-expansion as most of her top tier skills show up in the expansion.
she's mostly going to be a mid-tier support for you until later on

[Anonymous No.]

>>7938805
The touhou wiki has moved to http://touhouwiki.net , update your bookmarks.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck Yuyuko. Can't get her with mdef down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942482
what do you mean? That the debuff will not hit?
increse Byakuren`s IND with Hyper Trigger, then Star Fire. Should work.
Then blast em with fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942485

Yeah, I've equipped her with every piece of IND gear, maxed out the tree with IND, and for 7 turns nada.

Course, it doesn't matter now since when the debuff finally hit, even with Alice using her doll guard on one person, death resist gear on alice, Sanae's last word, Sanae's party RES up, and Mokou's 3 bomb autores, I still lost to Resurrection Butterfly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942501
seems that Mokou bomb (which grants reraise) won't save you from that. Relying on RES is probably a shitty idea.
The best method is Reimu Barrier

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942509

Going to try that next, was just using Sanae since I didn't realize that Evil Sealing Circle upgraded to Omni. Also, was using Sanae to spam RES/PDEF/heal until Youmu died.

Unrelated, my verification code has a spoiler alert on it.

[Anonymous No.]

I have my PC on Japanese locale and all, but when I play the game, it just freezes right after the first three things Reimu says.

What's causing this problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942525

1. Run in admin
2. Run in Win95 compatibility
3. Make sure you have directx9

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

25 hours in, almost done with stage 8. Why is this game so good? They had to have been working on this for years or something, so many sprite and attacks.

Some of the random encounters are getting a bit tougher, seems like the enemies here are faster too. Also, now I have the Raising Heart to go with my dropped Bardice. If only they had a set bonus...

Still not sure what I should have Satori be...mind blast and her other aoe spells are pretty good, but poison with her green eye is also very good if it lands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942549

Satori is great but I wish she wasn't such a mana hog early game. All the good spells she can learn cost 10 mana or more to use, and at level 22, that's like 15 spells and she's done. Even with Staff MP regen 2 it's still not enough to keep up with her consumption. I know it gets better later on though cause this is my 2nd playthrough.

[Anonymous No.]

is it worth getting physical skills on satori just to take advantage of vampiric staff?

[Shadnic !!bO11sNeWKVv No.]

>>7942549
>25 hours
>stage 8

Oh God. I must be doing something wrong.

I'm 79 hours in and i'm only starting stage 16...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942706
I'm 44 hours in and only starting stage 13, I even wasted a few hours fo learn Satori some skills and to farm a few peaches. Levels 30-31 as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942766 here.
Oh yeah, I also backtracked heavily to find a few missing chests.

[Anonymous No.]

Can Youmu use shields with her unique weapon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942799

Yes, she can.

[Anonymous No.]

>You must download mediafires toolbar or upgrade to pro to download these files.
>Okay ill download your fucking toolbar
>Previous version has been installed, please uninstall it so your installation can be completed.

What the fuck?

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>>7942836
Whoa, when did mediafire require you to download a toolbar?

I hope this isn't new...

[‮ suomynonA‪‪‪‮‪‪‬‬‬‬‬ No.]

>>7942836
What. I don't see that anywhere; downloading the same as always.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it not start?
It does not give me an error or something but nothing happens when I start the exe in 95 mode.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942853

Have you done >>7942547 and enabled East Asian Languages?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942836

[Anonymous No.]

It doesn't open at all; writes something about DirectX 9.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942872

Then you don't have Directx9. just google it

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942870
>>7942866
Just download them seperately at the same time, idiot.

[‮ suomynonA‪‪‪‮‪‪‬‬‬‬‬ No.]

>>7942870
Well, try jdownloader then.

[Anonymous No.]

this is strange for those that have problems with screen crashes, i have w vista and stop running it in w95 comp and start running in vista comp and the screen crashes stop even at cutscenes really weird

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942876
So, DX11 doesn't work?

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

From my experience, having it set at 95 mode or XP mode has lead to pretty much the same thing. XP mode won't give you strange dx9 errors though.

Then again, I use applocale instead of changing my sytem locale. Doesn't seem to do anything bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7942900

DX11 drivers are probably too advanced for this. Sounds stupid I know but I had a similar problem when trying to reply Myst years later and had to downgrade to QT4 or whatever was popular when the game came out as it was coded for that version only.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I cheese Kanako and Suwako? Are they a fun fight if fought normally?

[Anonymous No.]

How do i install this damn thing correctly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943102
If you're getting it from the OP, you don't. Unzip it all somewhere and play.

[Anonymous No.]

any recomendation in accesories for Alice in general grinding?

[Anonymous No.]

...you know, Byakuren, if you actually LOOKED at the enemies, you'd probably hit more often.

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>>7943134
Well, +res is nice, since everything but blind and poison stops her from defending your party. I have lost battles because she got paralyzed or stunned and my poor mages in the line formation got it handed to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943134
Use someone else unless you are in stage 20-21.
Otherwise stack mp, use mach kick/shield against a breath user. -perm acc are good too, like the ribbon.

[Anonymous No.]

Bump limit.
Wow, these threads are going pretty quickly nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

Cat tanks, oh my.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943182
That's why I always stuck with Hinotori Skydance. Even if Alice isn't using hourai doll they'll still attack her the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943510
Same, for most of the random battles in that formation you can use Mokou, Sakuya, or Youmu and they work well enough.
Hell for the mid game Mokou probably works better. I used Sakuya though because its not often games let me have a tanking maid, but I used generic weapons for the shield.

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>>7943510
So overrated.

Aya's speed formation will usually let you wipe most mobs before they can act. And of course line will allow alice to protect the whole party, so AOE spells that cause ailments are less of an issue.

I just don't like a formation with def down, since my mages will die in a shot if they choose not to hit the tank.

[Anonymous No.]

well I managed to beat kaguya and eirin only fucking up my exp a litte. once I get these youkai rocks should I make an assaut rifle for nitori or should I save my spare parts for the machine cannon later?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943554
Yeah at 4% chance for your backline vs 20% in line formation.
I'm not cool with bringing dead weights to the party when most of the time you can kill them in one round with +15% attack/mag. Alice is amazing for the very hard stuff, but in all other cases she is very lackluster unless your entire party is mages.

Formations greatly affect who they attack. in Skydance / Posion Shield its 75% to attack the tank while other formations are 50% at most. If you are truly killing them before they attack there is absolutely 0 reason to bring Alice at all, instead bring another damage character or Reimu and use Sonic Stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943554
I don't get why Marionette Parrar abuse is so hot, I've apparently gone through like half the game underleveled and haven't used it for anything but bossfights.

Also the damage boosts help quite a bit more for sweeping since sweeping the entire enemy team in one turn is unfeasible unless you use bombs.

From a person who uses every single character equally it also serves well for tanking when you're not using Alice.

[Anonymous No.]

is it possible to get aya's evasion to the point where enemies can't hit her at all?

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>Sonic Stream.
Yeah, I meant to say that instead of Aya's default speed. Should have said Aya's 2nd formation.

But I usually don't use Alice for mobs, she is pretty useless, even if you give her the best weapon you have. Though it is nice to have her for THAT encounter (like that elephant that dominated me in stage 8, sad since Satori learned the move as my party was wiped out.)

Really, the problem I see with Skydance is when the enemies greatly out speed your party and/or use a ton of aoe spells. Alice takes care of the easily.

[Anonymous No.]

mokou is hot.

[PH Lol player No.]

So far, so "where are my fucking sunflower seed drops dammit". Can't build shit so I can stomp some Ninjas.

Any area dark spells for Satori early on? Hate it that no one has reliable Dark area attacks that don't guzzle bombs like water.

[Anonymous No.]

About halfway through stage 7. Do people normally still try to use the Melon Sword, White Lance and Gamer Axe? Sure, they aren't my most powerful weapons but I usually just tack the sword on my tank since it's better than their default weapon (haven't synthed any upgrades yet) and throw the axe on either Patchy or one of the physical chasers since it allows the use of shields+patchy's book is bleh for casting. Only thing I ever have trouble using on a normal basis is the lance, which is a shame since I'm more interested in gaining extra POW than exp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943625

Can't you learn that dark breath-like thing Shades and other monsters in Netherworld do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943616
Satori as the tank

I don't even know where to begin, going for the one turn kill then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943594
Same reason chaser abuse is next in line. It lets you end every battle until stage 18+ in one round with the same actions. Sanae, Marisa (or Alice for balanced), Nitori, Patchy, Satori can handle pretty much even battle with ease and can last for 40-50+ battles if you use Byakuren's mp commander skill. On light/dark weak mobs Patchy has to bomb away though.

>>7943625
Can learn 'Shadow Burst' from the Monks in the netherworld.

>>7943629
I used the power lance in every battle but boss battles even post game. I stuck it on either Sanae, Satori or Byakuren.

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>>7943629
By stage 7 I had a better version of most of the basic weapons either via chests, or mostly lucky drops. I'd recommend at least synthing a few character weapons by stage 8 for your better charcters, like Mokou's status inflicting fists, Satori's green eyes, +IND scroll etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943640
couldn't do the one-shot at mokou's current level, she was level 60. didn't want to go grinding to level 84 to get her best skill, although that attack will probably boost the damage around 10-20% more which still falls short on one-shotting.

[Anonymous No.]

how much does the lance increase power gain by? I didn't realize you could put it on your commander so I haven't been using it so far. I'm about to start youkai mountain with power level ranging from 35 to 44. how much more would I have if I had been using it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943678

Probably similar to the melon sword so something low like 5%.

What's a good way to deal with Principality units? They are highly resistant to magic and my melee just aren't hitting hard enough to take them out without relying heavily on bomb techniques.

[Satorin !KOMEijI/Jg No.]

>>7943689
Angel type right?

Most Angels and Demon type creature have Barriers that reduce all incoming damage by a varying percent. Exorcism allows you to bypass that by whatever % the level of exorcism is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943689
5% of 5 is only .25 though, so assuming it rounds up to 1 you're actually getting 20% more from a 5 power fight

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943644
I don't chaser abuse either. I pretty much frequently made the lowest leveled characters I had my party. The only time I don't do this is for bosses and Inner Eientei where I made a sweeper team consisting of Mokou, Sakuya, Youmu, Nitori, and Marisa that didn't use chasers.

I haven't stuck with a single exact strategy so far throughout this game. Simply fought the enemies with whoever's lowest level.

[Anonymous No.]

There supposed to be an equal number of upgrade character-specific items at the end of every stage, excluding possible rare drops? A lot of my characters have 3 at the end of stage 7 but Patchouli and Aya only have 1 each, still haven't synthed anything.

[Anonymous No.]

according to the wiki I'm missing some treasure but I have no idea what it could be or where. are there any really good items from cheststhat I might have missed that I should check for specificly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943819

Synthesis materials probably

[Anonymous No.]

First of all, GOD DAMN IT YUYUKO. Not only your fight is a pain in the ass, and taking care of each of you and Youmu one at a time is almost impossible, but then you go AoE nuke when you die. You bitch. At least my Sakuya was guarded for that turn, ahahahaha. TAKE THAT.
I will now proceed to masturbate to her.

And second, can I find a transcription of the game's translated text somewhere? I figured that since you can skip cutscenes to make the game not crash, you could watch them up until the last line then skip them at that point. Well, it seems to have worked once, unless I didn't get to the last line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7943819
Make a list of all pieces of eqiupment you own. Those are easiest to check for. Also check the treasure chests with footnotes. Those are the ones you most likely missed. I missed like four chests in the Magic Forest alone as well as the raiden shield in the Underground Palace. There's a mat hidden through a hidden passage in Former Hell that's not the one you see blocked off by flames.

[Anonymous No.]

By the way, does Youmu only target the frontmost line? I wanted to try Hinotori for a second, but after thinking a bit about that it would most likely be as suicidal as using the Hakurei formation again.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, if this thing is fully translated, why doesn't the wiki reflect that? I don't really want to waste time on Komachi again to see that scene.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

New Thread!

>>7944089