/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

ITT we express our deep hate for people that support Mokou pairing Kaguya.

I hope they all face the eternal pain of the deepest flames of hell.

[Anonymous No.]

Shut up, Mokou

[Anonymous No.]

>>7740721
Nice try OP (´・ω・｀)

[Anonymous No.]

I don't "support" it, but I do enjoy the possibly ideas behind it.

Though the outright deredere stuff is a little too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7740714
>>7740714
If I suppose the pair as a violent hate rape relationship, do I really support the pairing?

You know, I'm thinking rape by tying over growing bamboo and feeding daily for 300 years kind of rape.

[Anonymous No.]

It's sorta cute. They have to face the terror of being the only things left in the universe some day after all.

[Anonymous No.]

The thing about TeruMoko shippers is that they will inevitably win in the end simply due to the inexorable march of time.

But even disregarding that, I don't see what's particularly objectionable about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7740877

The question is that works generally spin around Mokou being too much "hmph you're the only one that will not die too so I love you but I don't want to confess so omg I'll keep killing you OMG SHE HUGGED ME WHAT DO I DO"

The situation they found themselves into could lead to many good ideas like stated by 7740838, but it's not what happens.

And I preffer Keine x Mokou myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7740897
If you put it all that way, pretty much all ships are bad because one of the characters usually gets a silly characterization. Like, you know, Alice. Going grim with it isn't a sure-fire solution anyway since more recently they've been getting along significantly better anyway.

The real question is why people get so frustrated when people draw things they don't like.

And it's because your ships are incompatible and you know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7740918

You got me there.

Anyway, I guess raging is somehow a good way to bring the topic up.

However, going a bit back, I do not see the "we're going to be the last ones standing anyway" as a excuse to forget everything and go full-love.

I gues there's just not enough space, time, and monetary return for the kind of development necessary to dive deeper into that, even if it were not in a lovers-relationship way.

[Anonymous No.]

I for one want Kaguya to rape Mokou until she breaks. After that Mokou becomes addicted to it and craves for more. Then, one day, Keine comes to visit her. She hears strange noises and slowly steps into the house. She then sees Teruyo fucking Mokou into oblivion while Mokou is drooling and ahegaoing.

[Anonymous No.]

Eh, Kaguya with Mokou is fine. I don't care much for it myself, but it's fine.
What's fucking infuriating is the hundreds, literally hundreds of doujinshi, romantic or not, pairing characters with different lifespans to get some cheap, boring, unoriginal drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741086

THIS. If you can't break her body break her mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741147

>Implying the one where Alice nearly died of starvation because she was working too much on a way to transform Marisa into a youkai didn't move you to tears.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741158
>starvation
>magician youkai
billnye.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741158
>Implying Marisa isn't powerful and smart enough to transform on her own if she really wanted to.
I cannot get behind such concept. :P

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741170
> :P
Stop this.
It's shitposting even if it is ironic

[Ordinarywitch42 No.]

BITCH I CAN BECOME A YOUKAI ANY TIME I WANT, I'M JUST LAZY AS FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

Alice doesn't give a damn about it and Marisa could become a magician youkai on her own if she wanted to in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

I think >>7741158 is talking about the doujin where she wants to make her a youkai against her will. And I think that she later fight with mokou on her way to take the hourai elixir from eirin.

>>7741171

>Implying youkai don't need to eat even once in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741212
>>7741158
>>7741170

>implying

>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.]

What is even more tiring than the greentext and the reaction images is the people constantly getting mad at it and posting /v/ or /a/ links everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741223
>>>/b/
>>>/v/
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741223
No, the greentext and shit is much worse.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7741050
Wait, huh? Not enough time for the eternals to put aside their differences?

Or do you mean in the Touhou timeframe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741212
Magician Youkai
In the case of those who were originally human, when in the course of their study of magic they learn "abandon food" magic**, they become magicians.

**Magic that allows you to compensate for not eating food via magic power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741244

But what if you use too much magic power? Can you die from magic starvation?

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7741253
It's not that they feed off magic or anything, it's that they use magic to remove the need to eat.

Though technically they could be the same, if you think about it. Depends on the specifics, but it doesn't really matter. That's being way too specific to expect from Touhou canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741212

Oh my, this is relevant to my interests. Which doujin is that, exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741235

I mean in the timeframe of a doujin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741170
There's a sad story about that one.

Well, there's a story for pretty much any situation under the sun, but I remember one about this.

[Anonymous No.]

Why hate Mokou and Kaguya? Maybe because they have it so good?
You will never experience the satisfaction that comes from a night of explosive intimacy in which you share your body in every way with your partner, all while having out of body experiences as your soul swirls around her's between extreme bouts of lovemaking which drive you beyond the flesh.
And even worse you'll never wake up the next morning with bones broken, covered in bruises, her marks of love all over you, shots of burning pain electrifying your spine everytime you shiver in the cold morning dew. You'll never cling to her for warmth, feeling your body slowly mend, body temperature steadily rising, one of the only times you will appreciate the feeling of healthiness and life.
You'll never be the first to be able to move in the morning, rolling on top of your still recovering partner and pinning her below you for a gentle encore of tender loving tempered by soreness and empathy.
You'll never be the second to recover either, involuntary tears staining your cheeks as she loves you while the tingling pain fades away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741326
being with the same person until the end of eternity, that must be really horrible

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741334
It beats being alone, that's for sure.

[/jp/ Smog Subsider !A0XGKONtPA No.]

>>7741342
no it doesn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741334
They have been together for all this time up until now and they still "kill" each other on a daily basis with neither minds another, what is horrible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741326

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741342
Not really, no. Not by a long shot.

[Anonymous No.]

The reason why Mokou so wanna kill Kaguya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741369
If you get bored of the company you can always find some burnt-out planet to hide in for a few millenia until you feel like talking again. Being alone forever would just suck.

[/jp/ Smog Subsider !A0XGKONtPA No.]

>>7741394
what g eufkc am i reading is ther e adeeper meaing to this psot ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741326
And after idly waiting a thousand trillion years, when the last black dwarves fade into nothingness, the universe finally ends and only these girls exist in an infinitely thin mist of elementary particles. After another period of waiting so inconceivably long, as time eventually loses importance and meaning on a fundamental level, the universe is perhaps reborn due to the effects of time and statistic. And now these entities, very different from the girls they once were, have to live through another universe, only to be forced to do it again, for time, and space, evermore. Perhaps, knowing that somewhere out there their long lost sister share their torment, but they are never to meet again, lost over the eternally vast reaches of spacetime. Or maybe they've forgotten.

Sounds swell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741392

THAT'S JUST SO WRONG

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741416
There's a snag in your story. Kaguya has the power of eternity, which freezes the arrow of time and defies entropy. No endless quiet darkness for these two.

Really, it's quite convenient that such a power would be attached to a Hourai person.

[Anonymous No.]

>not shipping Keine and Mokou
Shit, what are you crazy crackers doin'!?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741432
Fucking tohoo and their nonsensical powers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741461
Gotta love it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741439

Hey, you should go on ahead or they'll go out of ZUN popcorn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741394
I have been fine with it for this long I dont think and eternity would be any worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741569
How long is that, two years? Twenty? Try two thousand and then call Mokou back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741569

Yeah, don't toy with evaluate such a thing as spending two billion years locked with the same humans watching them die the same ways over and again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741602
I did, she could care less as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7741147

Well, with one of the more common pairings (Sakuya and Meiling), that's a subject that's even broached upon in the games themselves, although obviously in a different context.

What's annoying is how few bother to go into the idea that Sakuya isn't actually human, or that her powers let her live longer, or something along those lines.

[Anonymous No.]

But Kaguya does act quite tsundere for mokou since she keeps sending assailants even though she knows it won't do shit.

Although a hateful mother-daughter kind of relationship would be more likely.

[Anonymous No.]

I would spend an eternity with /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

I for one think Kaguya really loves Mokou, but teases her lots.
Meanwhile Mokou honestly hates her, originally for her father but she's long since stopped caring about that, and now just hates her as a person. Kaguya is a bit sad about that and hopes her hatred cools in time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7742456

As long as they give a plausible background for Kaguya to love someone who hates her, that one is ok - simplicity does not imply lack of quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7743964
Didn't mokou give up her hatred of kaguya and now she's just really irritated that she keeps sending people to kill her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7743986

You mean officially? There's nothing like that.

Besides, real hate isn't something you just "forget" out of boredom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744107
Then again, in the Inaba manga there isn't much hate, more like a rivalry between friends.

inb4 Inaba manga isn't canon, ZUN approved of it so it is canon fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744120
Actually, as the guy who wrote >>7744107, I wasn't aware of that.

I'm starting to read it in this very instant - hope the thing is good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744120
It's been referenced in other works anyway, it's unoubtedly canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744120

The nature is too lighthearted, and Mokou acts out of character.

>>7743986

You got it spot-on.

>>7744120
Nope. Counter-fuckyou, the manga wasn't written by ZUN and the games are more canon than anything will ever be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744271
Wow, such a Mokoufag that he even removes canon in order to fit his preferred interpretation and treat it as canon.

How sad, nobody's gonna take you seriously like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744285

>removes canon
I explain the image I used. Are the games not canon enough for you?
Like I said, due to the lighthearted nature of the IotMaE, everyone acts somewhat out of character.

Cage in a Lunatic Runagate is a much better example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744285

Don't get me wrong, I like Inaba, and it's funny, but find it ironic how you tell me I can't be taken seriously when I say things like THIS actually happen.

Mokou genuinely dislikes the girl. Though I wouldn't say she HATES her, but as >>7743986 said, Kaguya irritates her, and her overall impression is that she avoids Kaguya. CiaLR left of a similar impression, but leaves a clear message that Mokou hated Kaguya at some point.
Putting all this together, I really doubt Mokou would go out of her way to fight Kaguya out of nowhere. And daily. I think it was due to the lighthearted nature of Inaba that made her do it, and out of character.
It would make much more sense if their fued was along the lines of, Kaguya gets a sort of delight and sends people to kill her- Mokou puts up with the assassins, and this perpetuates their 'conflict'.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't mind it so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744297
You're only using a basic inference out of the image. Did you know that what Mokou did is actually a writing technique? It's basically explaining something in a conversation whereas in a normal convo, one would only think about it to oneself at most, since it's so common. It's made for the reader to know what's going on in more deep manner. The fact that Mokou acknowledges this fact does not mean that her grudge against Kaguya is gone.

Also, you're saying that since it isn't grimdark it isn't canon? Sorry bub, but even if ZUN didn't write it, he treats it as canon and has referenced Inaba's events in other works of his, just suck it up already, it's not dissing Mokou or anything.

Some people really can't take that their grimdark interpretation is taken out of canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744339

I'm already far ahead of you and deleted it before you even posted, because I knew you were going to head for the
>hurr dur not grimdark enough for you?
bullshit.
Even if he did approve of it, his original image of Mokou and the writer's image of her are clearly different. In this way, I dismiss Mokou in Inaba as being out of character.

And yes, it is dissing her. She's not a tsundere. Her personality is supposed to be more restrained and cool than anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744332
You're using the fact that Inaba isn't grimdark like CiaLR so you deem it as unworthy of being treated as canon.

How ironic that the games' story and especially the dialogue are absolute jokes yet you treat them as the ''pure canon'', which they are, but they contradict your argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744354

What the fuck.

I said that Mokou's character in Inaba are jokes because of the nature of the 4koma. That's why I dismiss it.
I treat the games dialogue and story very seriously. But I dismiss the tsundere-type personality the fandom promotes so much in Mokou that Inaba somewhat implies.
That said, I dislike the TeruMoko pairing. It's not like Mokou at all. And Kaguya over there would only love Mokou sadisticly, if anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744352
Oh sure, treat your deleting of your post as being ahead of others instead of realizing your mistakes, really nice.

Anyways, their personalities in both Inaba and IN aren't actually that different, say as much as you want about her ''oh man her quotes are so cool'', because it's obvious you're trying to absorb yourself too much into YOUR interpretation of her IN portrayal as in to deny any other personality development. Even if ZUN had actually written Inaba, you'd just dust it off and say ''it conflicts too much with IN therefore I will not acknowledge it''.

Thing is, how can you not acknowledge it when ZUN has mentioned the events of Inaba in other canon works? For me, she doesn't differ of what I would expect her to do from what I've read of her IN dialogue, it's just expectancy, and you're blocking it, and that very fact is denying you from changing or developing your own perspective of a character and instead only use their first appearance as the one and only base.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744367

>because it's obvious you're trying to absorb yourself too much into YOUR interpretation of her IN portrayal

Oh, don't even go there. We both know ZUN was going for the cool character type when he made Mokou the Extra boss. See for yourself.

There's a reason why I use the game as base for canon, by the way. Inaba is a 4koma. It has a completely different atmosphere, and I find it completely laughable that you take it so seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

Inaba would have been better if it were like this.

[Anonymous No.]

Or this

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>7744388
By that logic, why use the games as the base for canon, when most of the interactions are just a few sentences of "let us do battle" dialogue mixed with a bit of jerkass and witty one-liners? Most of the background information is in the text works ZUN publishes, and the Three Faires manga was explicitly made to give a better sense of regular Gensokyo when people aren't fighting, and from a more objective point of view.

[Anonymous No.]

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Interview_on_Nae_Radio_(September_2009)

The jokes from Arata's Udonge book?
Z>I gave him rough instructions on the usuals and the conclusions
Z>Which characters to show up, only those.
(everyone sounds their agreement)
Z>If I don't do that then he (the mangaka) cannot think of jokes.

>Instructions.
>Conclusions.
>Which characters to show up.

Is canon too hard for you?

[‮ gubthgiN elggirW‪‪‪‮‪‪‬‬‬‬‬ No.]

IM GETTING SO

HEATED

JUST THINKING ABOUT

IT

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744580
This. Marisa references RPG video games in SA, the dialouge in the Touhou games have never been especially serious.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744690

> dat filename

[Houraisan Kaguya !NEATnUrmu2 No.]

I don't like it, but that's more of me not liking Mokou.

But I guess it beats the alternative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744836
What is the problem with that, sir?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744847

HOW DARE YOU SHOW UP IN MY THREAD

[Anonymous No.]

>>7744332

I'll have to agree with this guy after reading it (took me way longer than expected, ugh).

Inaba's Mokou IS out of character. I can accept it as canon without a problem, but the story is too much of a "peaceful funny slice of life" to explore the Mokou-versus-Kaguya theme with any other focus than situations when it's taken as "rivalry between friends", like the fishing competition thing. They don't want to run away from the focus of the manga by going deep in a topic such as eternal hate, and besides I don't think the two girls are so childish as to go around exploding stuff and igniting the forest every time they see each other's faces.

So, yeah, it's canon on how about life goes on the bamboo forest and Eientei, but I don't think it can be taken as a main source on the personalities of any of the characters, and a lot less on the Mokou versus Kaguya theme.


inb4 not grimdark enough 4 u

[Anonymous No.]

>>7746881
Why does the fact that they don't want to kill each other as much as IN deny their personalities as canon?

Even in IN it was a game, like every other Touhou, they used poetic sarcasm in very short dialogues which only showed how much of a damn they did not give...like every other Touhou.

The mangas are made in order to squeeze more info out of the character that the games' shallowness cannot give, the fact that the mood differs from the incarnation does not give you the right to right out block it.

Or do it if you want, but don't force it on others, because it's established as it is and there's no going back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7746891

I did not block it as canon, just as perpetuator of how the relationships between the characters work.

A manga has a focus, and Inaba's is to be funny, slow paced and relaxed, even as it's revealing things about the Touhou universe. The "reality" in which the characters live in and interact is not submerged in that same slow pace and relaxation, and that's why I do not consider it a fatal point to define their personalities and relations.

And I'm not forcing this on anyone. If you think Inaba is to be taken as a representation of their definitive personalities, it's ok by me; I'm just not that fatalist, and I don't think ZUN intended his fans to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7747723
>The "reality" in which the characters live in and interact is not submerged in that same slow pace and relaxation

Yes it is, this comic proves it. The fact that you're denying it means you're not accepting _fully_ its canon status. You keep saying that you don't want it to be ''grimdark'' but you keep bringing it up one way or another. The game is also not serious, unfortunately you think it is.

>I don't think ZUN intended his fans to be.
ZUN was the one that gave hints to the artist on what to do, if he had disagreed then he would have scrapped the whole thing or some of it. Another thing is that you think that ZUN wanted _your_ way of things, which is wrong, otherwise he wouldn't have let someone else do the writing (with hints given from him) and told him to do it humour style.

The fact that the manga is humourous does not rule out anything, you're a bad fan for thinking that. If you really like Mokou, you would accept all of what is added to her personality, not stay on your own forced interpretation that doesn't allow any sort of change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7747753
This.

Repeating >>7744583
ZUN was the one who gave the "instructions" and the "conclusions" on how the manga should go. Just because the Mokou in Inaba isn't what you expected to be doesn't mean she's "out of character". Besides, if you compare closely the Mokou in IN; Inaba; and BAiJR, they aren't actually that different. Even BAiJR describes their relationship as "a cat-and-dog relationship" which is on the same line as Inaba.