/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thinking about getting into Touhou. I hear that it takes a lot practice and excellent coordination, so I thought it'll be something I could enjoy.

Seeing the wiki, I notice there is a lot in the series. So, since Touhou seems to be one of /jp/'s things, I figure I could come to you guys for some advice.

First, for someone who never plays these sort of games, which one would be the best for newbies?

Second, which one is often consider the hardest in the series?

Finally third, what are some advice /jp/ can share?

Your information would most be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

Hold shift for focused movement.

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

It's an stg just go download it and play it. Do you give this much thought to every game?

[「ロリあき」 No.]

>newbie
We don't take kindly to your kind 'round here.

[Anonymous No.]

Impersihable night/Perfect cherry blossom

Subterranean Animism/Undefined Fantastic object

[Anonymous No.]

1) PCB
2) SA
3) Hold shift for focused movement.

[Anonymous No.]

>First, for someone who never plays these sort of games, which one would be the best for newbies?

7 or 10. They are reasonably easy and the mechanics are simple to work with.

>Second, which one is often consider the hardest in the series?

11 on normal mode, 12 on hard and lunatic. 2 has the hardest extra.

>Finally third, what are some advice /jp/ can share?

Don't play on easy, when in doubt hold shift.

[Anonymous No.]

Easiest: Imperishable Night

Hardest: Subterranean Animism

Tips: Start on Normal and don't get angry when you die. A lot of the fun of Touhou lies in fanmade stuff. Don't mind the terribad art.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7536997

Not every game, no. But there is no harm in asking questions.

>>7537002
>>7537003
>>7537005

Excellent. I'll at least know where to start and work my way from there. Thank you.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

Any game on easy mode... except IN, it will fuck up your death-bombing skills.

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

>>7537024
>Any game on easy mode.
No.

[Anonymous No.]

If you want to play really difficult shoot em ups don't play Touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm thinking about getting into Touhou.
Why?

If you want to join circlejerks of touhou doujins and yukkuri: Well congrats you don't even have to play the games.

If you want to play a good bullet hell shooter: You're looking at the wrong place, Touhou is mediocre at best.

[Anonymous No.]

1: PCB
2: UFO or SA
3: Learn from your mistakes -- you'll be making quite a few. Learn to instinctively know where your hitbox is so you're not looking at it 100% of the time. Practice, replays and Youtube are your friends. Set goals that are just out of your ability and work toward it.

And the easy modo meme is old. Play it until you're confident enough to dabble in Normal. Then Normal until Hard. Hard until Lunatic. Unless you learn better by getting tossed head-irst into something.

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

>>7537032
Yes op, download Ketsui instead. Thank me later.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>7537029
I demand arguments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537043

Maybe I have bad taste, but I couldn't get into Ketsui. Is that just me? Different guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537024
>death-bombing
But, Touhou bullets are so slow you don't even need to death-bomb out of trouble most of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537038
Just remember that "confident enough to dabble in" doesn't necessarily mean 1cc. Don't stick to any difficulty with the benchmark of 1cc'ing it. Once you can complete it and think you can 1cc it in a good/lucky run, give the next difficulty a try. The 1cc should come easily after playing on a higher difficulty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537005
It's very rare that I agree with the advice /jp/ gives in these kinds of threads.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>7537051
Deathbombing. Think of it like a condom, it's better have it and not use it, than to need and not have it.

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

>>7537045
How much time have you given it? I try not to judge games until I've earned the second extend, generally.

But even so, not everyone has to like every shooter. As long as you like other top tier games, your taste is unharmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537053
Pretty much. I started playing around on Hard around the time I got near-1cc runs. It's amusing how some cards drastically change with just a few added bullets.

Really, look at Icicle Fall on Easy and Normal. Just one bullet changes the whole thing.

One thing that people aren't saying, don't stick to just one game. Play a few of them so you learn to dodge different patterns and not get into a rut dodging the same old stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537073
The story of me and just about every other shooter out there. Oh hey, Giga Wing 2 is pretty aw-- wait, where's the death-bombing... FFFF--

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537078

I've played it a few times, admittedly I'm not very good at these sorts of games though. The only games I play regularly are Touhou and Fever SOS, which is probably my favorite one by far even though it destroys me worse than any of the other games.

[Suigin !fKazami5bE No.]

>>7537042
Copypasted from the master himself:
Only way to get better is play the higher difficulty you're aiming for originally.

Trying to 1cc normal? Play hard a few times, and beat it even if you continue. When you go back to normal mode, it will feel like ezmodo.

Only problem is when you get to the point of lunatic, there isn't anything else harder than that. But once you get that good you know every spellcard and its just about reflexes

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537095
By the time you get to Lunatic, after playing your way through Easy/Normal, you should have the flow of the stages and bosses down pretty pat, and have learned what there is to learn.

That or you start playing 2nd loop Cave shooters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537045
It's not that weird. The lock shot is kinda strange, i could see that putting someone off.
>>7537078
But but but what if you're playing a game with no extends?

[Anonymous No.]

1 - PCB or MoF
2 - SA
3 - Learn which bullets are aimed at you, and learn to control them instead of letting them control you. Also learn when to hold still, when to nudge yourself gently to the side, and when when to dive across the screen.

[Francis York Morgan !mbHjxjfHlA No.]

>>7537094
I'm still buttdevastated about the apparently cancelled Dangun Feveron / Fever SOS XBLA port. I love that game.

Ketsui is a tough game though. Maybe you would like something that eases you in a bit more, like Espgaluda. That's another great game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537114
Crimzon Clover's Simple mode has a pretty good difficulty curve for beginners. And if you have a Flashcard or whatever, Ketsui Death Label also has a decent, though it's not as lengthy a game. It does get you used to no-hit box dodging and plunging into bullet streams faster than what Touhou normally throws out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537114

I might give that one another go some time. Admittedly it was another one of those games I didn't get into, although that was more because I didn't give it much of a chance. Maybe I'll try it again soon, but I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537128
Just play Raiden Fighters.

Raiden Fighters is what all the cool kids play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537155

It reminds me of something I played years ago. Dunno if it's the same game though.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see why everyone thinks PCB is the easiest one to start out with. I say start out with EoSD, and work your way up from there. Also, this game gets very discouraging, just keep at if you want to get better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537175
Then you don't know how cherry works.
Because of it Ran is the easiest extra stage boss and even Yukari is pretty easy compared to Koishi for example

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537189
I thought IN had the easiest extra stage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537204

Apparently the only reason it's considered easy is because of the fact that you can abuse Spell Practice or something. I'm not very good at these games, so I find IN Extra to be pretty tough. Then again, they're all tough in my case. Ran is currently the easiest for me though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537175
PCB has a good learning curve and, unlike EoSD, shows your hitbox. For someone starting out, knowing why you died and how close you are to death is pretty important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537175

EoSD, without patching, works by very different mechanics than the other games (no visible hitbox, different sizes of bullet hitboxes I think, almost no deathbomb time, fewer bullets and less dense bullet patterns to make up for different mechanics). It is a terrible game to start learning how to play. I still ruin my ability to play the other games in the series every time I seriously try to play it.

[Anonymous No.]

>First, for someone who never plays these sort of games, which one would be the best for newbies?
Touhou 7 - Perfect Cherry Blossom is the perfect game when trying to get into this
Touhou 6 - Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil is also a good choice though might prove to be a bit more difficult for beginners
The Touhou games 1-5 are irrelevant. Inb4 buttmad
8 is far too easy mode and will build bad habits, 9 is a gimmick, 10 will give you bad habits of bomb spamming, 11 will be FAR to difficult for someone just getting into the games...same for 12.

>Second, which one is often consider the hardest in the series?
It's usually between Touhou 11 - Subterranean Animism or Touhou 12 - Unidentified Fantastic Object...Personally I think the former is harder.

>Finally third, what are some advice /jp/ can share?
-Practice makes perfect, a good chunk of this game is just memory anyway.
-Never just stay at the bottom of your screen
-Normal too hard? play some Lunatic Boot camp. After waves of lunatic bullets, you'll find fucktons of new paths between bullets on Normal. Also they'll seem to move much slower. Shit's like being fucking Neo in the Matrix, man.
-Hold shift for focused movement

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537189
Outside of one or two cards, most of Yukari's aren't that much harder than. I really can't tell the difference between Descent of Izuna Gongen and Boundary of Life and Death.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>7537095
If you invent a game, it doesn't automatically make you the best on it (well, it does when you are the only one who knows about it...)

I recommended OP to start at easy mode because he said he never played this kind of games, but he could grind on normal and eventually he'll get good at it, in the end, everyone can become a GOD in any game if you grind enough.

Ok OP, now you are going to play SA Lunatic for the next 5 years.

[Anonymous No.]

Im not sure why everyone says SA lunatic is hard, in all honesty EoSD lunatic seems harder, plus SA throws lives and bombs at you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537239
>The Touhou games 1-5 are irrelevant. Inb4 buttmad

Saying "inb4" doesn't matter if you only invite the very comment you're inb4ing, Anon

You are also a faggot and probably a secondary. The PC98 games are great

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537434
I don't believe he argued about their quality, but rather that they're irrelevant, which has a ring of truth to it since the only thing Touhou 6+ have in common with the first 5 is Reimu, the Hakurei Shrine, the Yingyang Orbs, Marisa, and her ability Final Spark. Oh, and Alice and the grimoire. I don't believe anything else plot-wise transfers.

[Anonymous No.]

I started with UFO when UFO first came out

I turned out ok at the game (I've beaten Nue, Koishi, and now Suwako).

[Anonymous No.]

Who the hell came up with the term "secondary" in the first place? What is it even supposed to mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537473

[Anonymous No.]

Start with Lotus Land Story, dabble a bit in each game chronologically from there, stick to what you like most. Come back to the first three later, if you want.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>7537506
Members of the fandom who do not in fact play the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537506
Secondary means you

[Anonymous No.]

you don't get into Touhou. Touhou gets into YOU

[Anonymous No.]

>>7537506
>Who the hell came up with the term "secondary" in the first place? What is it even supposed to mean?

/jp/ did.

http://archive.easymodo.net/jp/thread/949292

[Anonymous No.]

>>7538541
Why isn't there a series like Nounai Kanojo's, except instead the outsider gets futa raped by everyone in turn