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Anonymous Tue May 24 19:27:02 2011 No.7392527 [Reply] [Original]

http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=10477

I'll just leave this here.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:28:02 2011 No.7392528 NANIWA NANIWA

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:30:02 2011 No.7392532 > Hi, I'd like the games my developers make to phone home their computer stats and if possible, what paths they've concluded in their eroge

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:31:02 2011 No.7392534 He's fucking lost it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:34:02 2011 No.7392538 Who the fuck uses renpy anyway?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:35:02 2011 No.7392540 Yes, a pornographic game uploading my personal data to his servers is a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:36:02 2011 No.7392543 I still don't really get why one should bother with Renpy over say, the various N/ON-Scripter builds, or a custom engine altogether were it to include some other arbitrary something.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:36:02 2011 No.7392545 File: 9 KB, 220x216, look at that baka! just look at it!.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Like my firewall would allow it.

>>	None !Tr0LLOLIuo Tue May 24 19:36:02 2011 No.7392548 >>7392538 me

>>	voting fag !4JisgaepTY Tue May 24 19:38:02 2011 No.7392552 >sends hardware info >everyones bitching about HURR DURR SENDING MAI DATA Retards. Most programs already do this without telling you.

Anonymous Tue May 24 19:40:02 2011 No.7392555
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> It's largely because asking would be relatively intrusive, as it requires people to make a technical/legal decision whenever they start a game. How annoying would it be if google analytics asked you to make a decision each time you visited a website?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:40:02 2011 No.7392557 >>7392552 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:41:02 2011 No.7392561 I DIDN'T TRUST HIM UNTIL I READ HIS RONALD REAGAN QUOTE BUT NOW I FEEL SAFE. ~GOD BLESS~

Anonymous Tue May 24 19:42:02 2011 No.7392568

> Well, I work in the ITS industry, so I _know_ that it's considered perfectly fine to collect data about passing cars without asking. As far as I know, there's no such ordinance allowing or disallowing it - it's just considered public information.

This makes it okay.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:44:02 2011 No.7392570 Installing Katawa Shoujo will put spyware on your computer and send your data to this neckbeard engine developer.

Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU Tue May 24 19:46:02 2011 No.7392572

>>7392534

I think he really has.

Is he implying that visual novels require significant enough resources to warrant such intrusive prophylactic data collection?

Unless the medium takes a fucking quantum leap forward in terms of game play, which we all know is unlikely, none of this even makes sense on a conceptual level.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:46:02 2011 No.7392571 I'm fine with this. Most websites collect more than he wants.

voting fag !4JisgaepTY Tue May 24 19:48:02 2011 No.7392575

>>7392572
>intrusive

- The version of Ren'Py and the platform it is running on.
- The name of the video card manufacturer.
- The version of OpenGL and the current driver version.
- Information about the limits of the hardware (texture size, number of multitexture units, etc.)
- Information about available extensions (if known).

full retard

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:49:02 2011 No.7392578 I think the ironic part is that he wants to know why some games run suboptimally and it hasn't occurred to him that HIS SHIT CODING might have more to do with it than OpenGL

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:50:39 2011 No.7392580 >>7392570 KS uses renpy 6.11, and they aren't upgrading so as to keep people from porting the game to android, psp, ds, etc. So while it ~may~ steal your information, it won't be going to this fat lard.

Anonymous Tue May 24 19:51:02 2011 No.7392583

About anything Microsoft or Google have already done this for years and years already.
Then again, it doesn't make it any better, and this data isn't exactly sent to the same established players, but that might only be a marginal issue.

Don't know of any interesting Renpy stuff though, so alright. May or may not check out Katawa Shoujo in some distant future. Then again, as it is now it looks as if even Duke Nukem forever might beat them in terms of getting released.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:51:02 2011 No.7392584 >>7392575 Wait until some sneaky game developer tweaked it and put a keylogger.

delta Tue May 24 19:52:02 2011 No.7392589

>>7392570
Actually I will take this one opportunity to say that I'm raging about this like no other. Yes, this thread was linked on #k-s. You may now proceed to do the inevitable, and probably also change your mind to think this is a great idea because I think otherwise. But whatever, do your thing, /jp/. I said my bit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:53:02 2011 No.7392590 >>7392584 That's trivial to do with or without this.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:53:02 2011 No.7392592 File: 52 KB, 677x209, lol.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Every game comes with a free copy of the developer's file path!

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Tue May 24 19:55:39 2011 No.7392598 >>7392580 >they aren't upgrading so as to keep people from porting the game to android, psp, ds, etc. Well that doesn't make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:56:02 2011 No.7392608 >>7392584 Oh yeah they can just blame it on renpytom. "He's the one who put that keylogger, not me!"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:57:02 2011 No.7392611 File: 65 KB, 410x272, vg65284_never_go_full_retard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7392568 Pytom, once you go full retard you can never go back...

Anonymous Tue May 24 19:58:02 2011 No.7392618

>>7392598
I deleted my post since that guy apparently showed up and he can do a better job explaining it than I can (if he feels like it)

But the ks dev team has been really shitty about people porting the game elsewhere because they think its the same as using their resources.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 19:59:02 2011 No.7392621 >>7392618 It isn't? I mean, doesn't that mean, by virtue, using their art, writing, and music?

Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Tue May 24 20:01:02 2011 No.7392627

>>7392618
Well, of course it is, but I don't see any reason to take measures against it. As long as the person's not getting any profit of his own off of it it's no different from piracy, which is going to happen whether they do anything about it or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:04:02 2011 No.7392636 File: 33 KB, 500x219, titlehackers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7392608 Beware the...

Anonymous Tue May 24 20:05:02 2011 No.7392638

>>7392621
I don't think so, but mostly just on precedent. Did anyone flip out when Cave Story got ported to everything? What about translations, why are those different (that's full on altering text!)? But this isn't really the thread for this discussion.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:06:02 2011 No.7392643 >>7392638 >Did anyone flip out when Cave Story got ported to everything? Yes, Cave Story 3D, ruined forever. You missed the shitstorm.

>>	delta Tue May 24 20:10:02 2011 No.7392660 Okay, if you actually want answers and/or explanations I can do that, but I'm not going to bother if all you're going to do is the usual KS DEVS xD thing. What's it going to be?

>>	Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA Tue May 24 20:11:02 2011 No.7392664 >>7392643 I think he was talking about stuff like the PSP homebrew.

Anonymous Tue May 24 20:12:02 2011 No.7392675

>>7392643
That's not what I meant, I meant devs taking measures to restrict a free game to one platform.
I was thinking more of how it got moved to phones and psp and such and Pixel(?) was actually pretty supportive of having his work reach a wider audience. And again, why is it different to translate a game to reach more people, but putting it on a phone or game system (with homebrew) is forbidden?

I understand not wanting people to use sprites or music in their own games or for profit, but that's clearly different.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:14:02 2011 No.7392680 >>7392660 Why don't you just fuck off? Nobody here gives a fuck about your shitty cripple porn games.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:16:02 2011 No.7392688 GET OUT KS DEVS! STOP ADVERTISING YOUR SHIT HERE IN 4CHAN!

>>	delta Tue May 24 20:18:02 2011 No.7392696 >>7392680 >>7392688 fine with me, sayonara then.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:19:02 2011 No.7392705 >>7392680 >>7392688 >>7392660 i.e. Don't bother

renpytom Tue May 24 20:20:02 2011 No.7392707

(This is the Ren'Py creator here.)

Right now, I haven't decided if this is something I want to go ahead with. The current design has a checkbox, on the quit screen, that controls if data is sent or not.

I'll just point out that nothing has been decided or implemented at this time. This is me throwing out an idea for a function (this isn't really a feature, but it may help me implement other features) for a future version of Ren'Py - and feedback from people will help me decide if it goes in or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:21:02 2011 No.7392710 >>7392707 suk mah dik

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:23:02 2011 No.7392718 >>7392696 Yeah! Go FUCK OFF and attentionwhore elsewhere! Reported for KS advertisement!

Anonymous Tue May 24 20:23:02 2011 No.7392715

>>7392527

Fine with me. I wonder how would OTHER people in this thread find out their target customers...

OH WAIT, THEY WOULDN'T, BECAUSE THEY "WOULD" BE TOO COOL TO FIND THE REAL USERS AND WOULD CODE ONLY FOR THEIR FAVORITE OBSCURE DISTRO OF LINUX OR BETTER YET, VERSION OF WINDOWS.

gg, /jp/ haters.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:24:02 2011 No.7392720 >>7392707 Reported for advertising enjoy your ban.

mugenjohncel !!lsNOT2DQXWT Tue May 24 20:27:02 2011 No.7392728
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>>7392696
Hi Delta! It's me your friend Uncle Mugen!... (hugs)

Please go advertise and beg for attention somewhere else... this is /jp/ land... here, everyone loves Uncle Mugen...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:28:02 2011 No.7392732 The only people making games with this are 14 year old girls on deviantart.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:29:02 2011 No.7392734 >>7392728 Oh, go stick an onion up your asshole.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:31:02 2011 No.7392740 >>7392696 >>7392707 Who told you about /jp/?

>>	mugenjohncel !!lsNOT2DQXWT Tue May 24 20:32:02 2011 No.7392745 File: 91 KB, 450x337, uncle-mugen-de-geso.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7392734 Oh... it's you again Onion Stalker-kun

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:35:02 2011 No.7392753 File: 12 KB, 511x494, python.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	renpytom Tue May 24 20:35:02 2011 No.7392754 >>7392740 Who doesn't know about /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:36:02 2011 No.7392761 >>7392753 You prefer C++? Or possibly... whitespace?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:36:02 2011 No.7392762 >>7392745 I don't really know what you mean.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:45:02 2011 No.7392792 File: 77 KB, 1280x720, Sion is aghast.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7392761 What, do you actually prefer FIOC to braces?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:49:02 2011 No.7392807 >>7392792 I prefer whatever is right with me... right now it's python, in the future it might change. Still, I wouldn't bash any programming language just because of its syntax. Hey, even Piet is cool, if you like colors (I don't - in my programming).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 24 20:53:02 2011 No.7392821 File: 36 KB, 504x662, Happy Sion.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7392807 Whatever floats your boat. It's just so restrictive and cumbersome and -ugly-!

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