WHAT THE FUCK?! Seriously, /jp/, Umineko EP8 got its 50% patch released and I see no threads? I'm disappointed.

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Anonymous Wed May 11 03:04:43 2011 No.7334524 [Reply] [Original]

WHAT THE FUCK?!

Seriously, /jp/, Umineko EP8 got its 50% patch released and I see no threads?

I'm disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 03:14:43 2011 No.7334558 >>7334524 looking at her, one could only wish their mom was that awesome

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 03:16:43 2011 No.7334563 Means people finally realized how incredibly terrible it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 03:16:43 2011 No.7334565 Umineko is shit, what else is there to say.

>>	SAGE SAGE Wed May 11 03:17:43 2011 No.7334568 File: 19 KB, 400x500, hi5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7334563 >>7334565

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 03:19:43 2011 No.7334571 File: 362 KB, 581x480, 1301624612987.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7334563 >>7334565 >PAY ATTENTION TO ME, I'M A FUCKING FAGGOT

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 03:21:43 2011 No.7334577 Umineko is shit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 03:21:43 2011 No.7334580 >>7334571 I don't recall seeing anyone in here type that, perhaps you're quoting someone from a different thread?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:07:43 2011 No.7334679 It's just 50%. Almost all the interesting stuff is in the second half.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:15:43 2011 No.7334695 Link where?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:15:43 2011 No.7334696 Professor fucking Layton puzzles.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:32:43 2011 No.7334733 >>7334695 http://witch-hunt.com/links.html

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:47:43 2011 No.7334771 People were spamming threads about it earlier but I guess it's past their bedtime now.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:54:43 2011 No.7334783 >>7334771 Kids spamming threads about a shitty 50% translated game? I wonder what is next. Spamming a shitty incomplete demo english made porn game?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:57:43 2011 No.7334791 >>7334783 >I wonder what is next. Kids samefagging and calling others kids, trying to look cool.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 04:57:43 2011 No.7334792 umishit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 05:04:43 2011 No.7334802 >>7334524 >that feel when oh wait not this thread. i just somehow don't feel like playing it after ep7. i mean we all know about Yasu and shit. feels like there's nothing new except ange suicidan and all that shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 05:08:43 2011 No.7334810 File: 77 KB, 640x480, 557.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well, maybe you should actually start a discussion, if you want one.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 05:13:43 2011 No.7334825 >>7334810 As if that's possible with the ridiculous amount of butthurt and trolls.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 05:21:43 2011 No.7334848 >>7334825 You're on /jp/, what did you expect. Just ignore them and continue.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 13:36:43 2011 No.7335947 I would never torture myself with partials.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 13:41:43 2011 No.7335974 >>7334783 There was spam of a shitty demo of a shitty shooter where people complained how it was shitty. /jp/ is shitty thus the home of shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 13:43:43 2011 No.7335980 I'm still at the Layton part, but I'm liking it so far. It's fucking depressing but not shit, and of course not on EP6 level.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 13:44:43 2011 No.7335983 Everyone already read it five months ago, that's why you don't see any threads.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 13:45:43 2011 No.7335986 >>7335983 That's what they wanted you to believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 13:48:43 2011 No.7335993 I would rather wait for the full patch.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 13:52:43 2011 No.7336012 I finished reading this in first week of January, and was quite disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 11 21:32:43 2011 No.7337562 File: 395 KB, 613x370, alreadydead.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I share in the OP's disappointment. Bump.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 00:30:43 2011 No.7338082 File: 205 KB, 850x631, Battler trollface 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > mfw EP8 explicitly confirmed Genius Battler theory

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 00:32:43 2011 No.7338084 Hey well, OP. Hold onto that feeling. Keep it close. Never let go.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 00:35:43 2011 No.7338090 File: 179 KB, 740x740, madotsuki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw when trolls spam the same messages about umineko being shit try harder

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 01:02:43 2011 No.7338157 >>7338090 using mfw, greentext, still thinks umineko isn't shit, should I continue on or just tell you to get out of /jp/

Anonymous Thu May 12 04:15:43 2011 No.7338640

Finished the partial patch awhile ago. Think it took me maybe 8 hours to get through. Chapter 8 must be pretty small if this is only 50%. I thought the puzzle parts would take me longer but it was not so.

And on a side note

I fucking raged when Battler & Beato didn't ask if you could select more than one Culprit. I did not figure that shit out till the last hint because its then and only then that they even bring the possibility to the table

Anonymous Thu May 12 04:45:43 2011 No.7338680

>>7338640
Yeah, I also thought that there must be only 1 culprit at first. But there are only few people who could have done that, if you misinterpret the rules a little (I read it in Japanese). But with a few hints it should have become apparent that those people couldn't have been the culprits, therefore there must be several of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 05:01:43 2011 No.7338715 So I heard Kyrie and her husbando is the culprits. Then was the autopsy back at ep1 a lie ?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 05:18:43 2011 No.7338748 >>7338715 Everything was a lie. I think that's why I don't care about Umineko anymore. I used to get incredibly excited when patches were released, but now... The magic is gone, man.

Anonymous Thu May 12 05:46:43 2011 No.7338796

>>7338715
No, it wasn't. Those episodes are detective fictions with the different culprit and the goal altogether. Yasu planned to make something similar in reality, but as you can see her plan was hijacked, so she's not the culprit in reality, but only in her fictions.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 08:10:43 2011 No.7339046 >>7338715 >So I heard Kyrie and her husbando is the culprits Nope its Sakutaro Who would've thought that something so fluffy would have the motive to kill people...?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 09:08:43 2011 No.7339077 Where can I download EP8 ? Also how long would you say that it takes to read this patch? I usually don't use partial patches but ill make this an exception.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 09:19:43 2011 No.7339090 >>7339077 The internet 7, 8 or 9 hours

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 09:32:43 2011 No.7339105 >>7339077 http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=183263

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 09:45:43 2011 No.7339126 >>7339090 >7, 8 or 9 hours For half an episode?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 12:51:43 2011 No.7339654 >>7339126 That's probably including time spent thinking about the puzzles, but the episode is pretty long to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 13:05:43 2011 No.7339719 Does the slice of cake you choose have any effect on anything?

Anonymous Thu May 12 13:40:43 2011 No.7339916

>>7338640
Actually, right at the very start (either right before you start solving or as the first hint), they say you can assume that there are accomplices. Add to that the fact that they keep mentioning 'a culprit' instead of 'the culprit', plus the definition as 'one who murders', and it's pretty obvious there's multiple culprits.
What annoyed me was that the George's family theory didn't work when you solve it. I wasted three guesses on that, just to have Erika prove later that it's a perfectly valid solution.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 14:43:43 2011 No.7340230 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y03OC80eDXc This song is awesome.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 16:16:43 2011 No.7340631 >>7339916 But it's a valid solution only if you use twisted logic. And if you're willing to use twisted logic, the solution could be almost anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 16:30:43 2011 No.7340708 >>7340631 And "almost anything" is different from the revelation how? captcha: forawa Dudney

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 16:32:43 2011 No.7340721 Started reading 30 mins ago I can't believe an episode with Ange and beatrice outside meta can be this boring, when does the shit hit the fan?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 16:34:43 2011 No.7340731 >>7340721 When Erika happens.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 16:35:43 2011 No.7340736 >>7340631 What twisted logic do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 16:38:43 2011 No.7340752 >>7340731 Oh, they're talking about that explosion at 24:00 and suspension music just started, she's coming, isn't she?

Anonymous Thu May 12 16:40:43 2011 No.7340759

>>7340736
George could be a culprit because it's defined as 'one who murders', he doesn't need to have murdered somebody on 1986 Rokkenjima, as long as he's murdered somebody.

>>7340631
No, there's only two answers that can be reached through that logic.
Krauss and Natushi were confirmed dead in second twilight, so they couldn't have helped Jessica beyond that. That only leaves Battler, George and Maria as potential culprits. It was explicitly stated that after the second twilight, the first twilight culprit has killed 6 people. Exactly 6; not five, not seven, SIX. This rules out Maria + Rosa, as Rosa would have to kill 5 in the first twilight and 2 in the second twilight.

This leaves only George + family and Battler + family as potential culprits.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 16:56:43 2011 No.7340820 >>7340759 You see, you're obeying the rules. If you do that, of course there's no other choice. But twisted logic is twisted because you twist them, find holes in them or interpret them differently.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 17:06:43 2011 No.7340866 >>7340820 Erika was also obeying the rules. She was just thinking out of the box, she did not violate any of the rules. Any answer that fits with the rules is a possible answer, even if it's not an obvious answer. But you can't just ignore the rules.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 17:17:43 2011 No.7340931 The mackerel Dessert quiz, which one is it?

Anonymous Thu May 12 17:47:43 2011 No.7341079

>>7340931
That's the only one I simply couldn't figure out and just had to brute-force.
The answer is the letter 'I'..

The foods are categorized by taste, and the letter given to them are the second letter of the taste: sWeet, sOur, sAlty, sPicy and bItter.

I personally couldn't figure it out because A) My tastes are fucked up anyways, so I can never describe what food tastes like; B) I had never tasted half of the foods mentioned; and C) As far as I know, lemonade is SWEET, not SOUR. I have no idea how the fuck Ryukishi managed to categorize it as sour.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 17:49:43 2011 No.7341085 >>7340931 Oh wait, that's a different one. The Dessert quiz... Hint 1: Read the text very closely. Hint 2: Think outside the box, and check again what is asked of you. Answer: It's asking for a DESERT, not a DESERT. The correct answer is 'Sahara'.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 17:51:43 2011 No.7341088 >>7341085 >>7341079 Thanks, I had trouble with both of those, really. Arigato, Quiz-kun. It got a bit stale after a while, but atleast the quizzing is over now.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 17:52:43 2011 No.7341093 >>7341088 I enjoyed that part, actually. I loved the solution to Krauss's companies and office problem.

Anonymous Thu May 12 17:54:43 2011 No.7341098

>>7341093
I read it, thought it was at random, read the 'Ask eva' thing, and then clicked for 3rd floor, instantly realizing that it was the 4TH floor, only medal I didn't get.

Now they're having the party for all the meta magic people, Im guessing Erikas finally gonna show up.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 17:59:43 2011 No.7341114 >>7341098 Woff, even Lion and Williard showed up, by god, was ep 7 awful or what? Also is it just me or are they talking backwards and being a bit too meta outside the meta all the time?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 18:02:43 2011 No.7341126 >>7341114 By now everything is meta.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 18:05:43 2011 No.7341137 So Six year old ange just woke up, followed a cat into the dining hall and found a bunch of murdered people, cool. And at the same time there's a party going on, oh gosh. Things sure are picking up.

Anonymous Thu May 12 18:12:43 2011 No.7341167
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I begin to understand why nobody likes EP8 after reading the patch:

- Profesor Layton puzzles are fucking eyesore.
- Battler as a GM is incredibly annoying, moreso than in ep 6.
- The only redeemable part comes after Ange follows Bern and shit gets real with the Goatalypse, and even then it's R07 wanking at all of his magical characters.

Still, Will is such a fucking badass. Headbutting giant goats and shit. Also, motherfucking Erika.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 18:15:43 2011 No.7341180 Im right at the part where they decide to fight bern who has taken Ange as a hostage (And killed alot of people? no?) I have work in 7 hours, if we remove 3-4 for sleep, Do i have time to read all the translated stuff?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 18:18:43 2011 No.7341194 >>7341180 No. And absolutely no if you plan on solving Bern's game by yourself. Its another puzzle if you didn't know.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 18:24:43 2011 No.7341218 >>7341194 She's locked in the room with the corpses and the door out is locked, ain't reading this at 1 am. Sleep tight /jp/

>>	Anonymous Thu May 12 18:25:43 2011 No.7341225 File: 231 KB, 471x354, 1280361761993.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7341218 Crap I said locked twice.

Anonymous Thu May 12 18:53:43 2011 No.7341377
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>>7341167
I still enjoyed the first 50% enough to spend all of my free time reading. IT'S BEEN THREE DAYS WITCH-HUNT WHERE'S MY 100% PATCH DAMMIT

>and even then it's R07 wanking at all of his magical characters
No, not really. It's R07 insulting his fans. And it was awesome, because I agree, especially with this part.

Anonymous Fri May 13 06:34:43 2011 No.7344123
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>>7340759
Pfft, okay.
You see, Erika's statement is really a can of worms. The culprit of the first twilight killed 6 people you say? No problem, they killed them off the island. So let's say the culprits are Kyrie, Rudolf, Eva, Hideyoshi, Rosa, Battler, George and Maria at the same time or almost any combination of 3+ of those. Therefore, all of their purple statements about each other are lies and each of them killed someone off the island earlier. How is this, everyone?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 06:42:43 2011 No.7344138 >>7341167 >- Profesor Layton puzzles are fucking eyesore. I liked those puzzles ;_; they were a nice change of pace. Although I gotta admit that doing like 17 of them in a row was grating. I kinda felt like Ange after the end of it all.

Anonymous Fri May 13 06:59:43 2011 No.7344149
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an umineko thread! perfect.

/jp/ i just came back from analysing my reality under the principles of certainty, love, miracles and infinity.

I would like to ask; what do you dream of /jp/; I want to make my dream that special place just for you.

and /jp/; can you tell me what love really is?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 07:25:43 2011 No.7344179 >>7344149 Without love it can not be seen. That is what love is.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 08:08:43 2011 No.7344227 What does text that is in purple indicate? clues?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 08:13:43 2011 No.7344232 File: 69 KB, 640x480, s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7344227 Read the rules. It's as red, except for the culprit, that can lie with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 08:28:43 2011 No.7344249 Okey fuck, who's the culprit? what am I missing?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 08:38:43 2011 No.7344261 >>7344249 hint: there's more than one culprit how the fuck do people go this long without being spoiled on this

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 08:54:43 2011 No.7344277 >>7344261 I picked that Battler and his parents did it after reading alll the hints. Am I right?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 09:09:43 2011 No.7344301 >>7344277 yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 09:30:43 2011 No.7344344 >>7344277 >after reading alll the hints >Am I right? Nevermind that the answer is outright told in the last hint.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 09:41:43 2011 No.7344384 >>7344344 Yeah, true, After that last one it was kind of easy. And fuck yes, Erika finally showed up, this is where shit picks up, i hear?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 09:50:43 2011 No.7344410 >>7344384 This is where patch ends.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 09:57:43 2011 No.7344437 So....who did all the murder in ep 1? Do witches exist ? I think it's hightime we got some answers about this. I'm tired of wading through texts and empty hints without any definitive answer.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 09:58:43 2011 No.7344443 >>7344410 The preview was nice. Was the best part, in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 09:58:43 2011 No.7344444 >>7344437 It's all in the catbox. or Evas diary

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:01:43 2011 No.7344454 >>7344437 >So....who did all the murder in ep 1? That was obvious since episode 4 and answered in episode 7.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:15:43 2011 No.7344501 >>7344444 >>7344454 Go on and spoil me all the fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:21:43 2011 No.7344516 File: 86 KB, 1240x336, Gohda.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7344501 It was Gohda.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:26:43 2011 No.7344531 >>7344516 Oh Gohda,you so mad

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:27:43 2011 No.7344533 >>7344437 >who did all the murder in ep 1? Yasu is the culprit. >Do witches exist ? In short, no. They are creations of different writers or the authors themselves.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:37:43 2011 No.7344556 File: 259 KB, 446x600, 1304171441769.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >fictions in fictions >4 games straight

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:43:43 2011 No.7344561 The preview was the best, to be honest, Sea of goats, fights, Van dines, Knoxs, almost no mention of the story until the very end of it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 10:50:43 2011 No.7344569 So let me get this straight,each episode of this story..game..whatever has different culprit ? Also why the fuck is Yasu the culprit of first episode ?

Anonymous Fri May 13 10:52:43 2011 No.7344577

>>7344569
Each episode has a new game where different people are killed under different circumstances, the old premise was that Battler had to prove that all of the murders could be done without magic, ergo, denying the existence of witches and fantasy.
And then shit got complicated EP 5 - 8 and by now it's all meta.

Anonymous Fri May 13 10:58:43 2011 No.7344591

>>7344577
>by now it's all meta.

Meaning these "murder mysteries" are fantasies in fantasy land ?

If that's the case then I'm having a very mixed feeling about it right now. I mean,what's the point in solving anything anymore if there just isn't 1+1=2 answer ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 11:00:43 2011 No.7344597 >>7344591 By now we've reached a point where we aren't watching a ongoing game, and sometimes get interrupted by the witches discussing a theory, now they've all sort of floaten together,

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 11:03:43 2011 No.7344607 >>7344597 And....the last game came out following this pattern...without solving anything but bye-bye niichan Battler ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 11:04:43 2011 No.7344613 >>7344607 The 50% patch ends with them coming together trying to solve shit, with ange having found Evas diary, which is rumored to have all the answers.

Anonymous Fri May 13 11:47:43 2011 No.7344747

>>7344569
Ep 1-4 were mysteries, Beatrice's games, that you need to solve. Chiru episodes just provide hints and answers. The mystery part was solved in ep7. Entire episode is dedicated to explaining the back story and motives of the culprit, with Will finally solving it at the end and properly putting Beatrice to sleep.

>If that's the case then I'm having a very mixed feeling about it right now. I mean,what's the point in solving anything anymore if there just isn't 1+1=2 answer ?
If you ask such questions it's doubtful that you even thought about it at all, much less were "solving".

The culprits in "real world" were different, than in mystery fictional stories, that Beatrice presented you. There probably was no mystery in real world. "The real world" mostly concerns just Ange, it's just a subplot and there's nothing to solve there.

Anonymous Fri May 13 13:05:43 2011 No.7344976
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Umineko got way too meta for its own good. Everything is fictional or symbolic or a lie from an unreliable narrator who is himself fictional or symbolic, and there's just nothing left for the reader to attach himself to. The various games, purportedly solvable, apparently never happened on any level, leaving open the question why anyone should bother. There was also a real world event which either is or isn't solvable, or maybe it's what happened in ep 7, or maybe not, and Ryukishi sure as fuck isn't going to tell us. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do here, other than be grateful I pirated this M. Shyamalan level overambitious trainwreck.

Anonymous Fri May 13 13:12:43 2011 No.7344988
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>>7344591
In episode 7, it is revealed Episode 1-4 are fictional stories made up by Yasu. They never actually took place. The culprit in those stories is Shkanon/Yasu.

After the 1986 Rokkenjima incident, countless people made up countless stories about what could've happened on that island. Every single game was a what-if story about the Rokkenjima incident. 1-2 are confirmed to be written by Yasu, 3-4 are implied to be written by Yasu, 5-6 are implied to be written by Hachijo Touya or however you spell it. Episode 7 explains all of this, and reveals the culprit of ep1-4 to be Yasu. Ep5's culprit remains unknown because the game ended prematurely. Ep6's culprit is Erika.

Episode 8 is all about how nobody knows what truly happened during the 1986 Rokkenjima incident. Therefore, the meta-version of 1986 Rokkenjima (the version as viewed from multiple dimensions) is one where any all and possibilities are true at the same time, and is therefore called the 'cat box' (read up on Schrodinger's Cat to find out what they mean by that).

At ~50% of episode 8, Ange finds out that Eva, the only 1986 Rokkenjima survivor has written down what really happened during the Rokkenjima incident in her diary (the 'Book of Single Truth'). This new truth would eliminate all other possibilities, thus destroying the cat box.

Pic related: It's what Ryukishi07 thinks about people like you. Even if ep1-6 are fictional in-story, they're still mysteries. Don't stop thinking.[/spoilers].

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 13:20:43 2011 No.7345009 >>7344976 >never happened Guess what? Any story, unless it's a documentary, never happened. You mustn't enjoy anything.

Anonymous Fri May 13 13:27:43 2011 No.7345028

>>7345009

There is a difference between the emotional impacts of something that's fake but pretends to be real, and something that's fake and at every turn points out its fakeness. Umineko currently has approximately three levels of fakeness between the story and the reader, for no reason other than to be cute.

Anonymous Fri May 13 13:37:43 2011 No.7345052

>>7345028
I'm sure you're really smart and definitely knew about the fiction theory when you read 1-5 episodes, which are the core of the story, and it made it uninteresting for you.

In ep6 and ep7 the 3rd level of "fakeness" (side characters of the story on the gameboard) becomes obsolete and the story focuses on revealing the answer, all sides and back story of the main character - Beatrice. Even though everything is revealed on the 2nd level of "fakeness", it's still relevant to the past reality, that drove Yasu to that day.

ep8 serves as a closure for the series and Ange's subplot.

Anonymous Fri May 13 13:50:43 2011 No.7345072

>>7345052
>I'm sure you're really smart and definitely knew about the fiction theory when you read 1-5 episodes, which are the core of the story, and it made it uninteresting for you.

I didn't when they first came out, but I did when it was spelled out in later episodes. Before that I thought trying to solve the games would be a worthwhile endeavor. Afterwards, I fail to see why I should bother. If they're not real even in the context of the story, who gives a good goddamn what happened in them? It makes no difference, not even within the story, since they're explicitly fiction within fiction.

Besides, the answer is some implausible, illogical, dishonest and unsatisfying Shkanon bullshit anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 13 13:59:43 2011 No.7345102 >>7344123 But if George killed Kanon then theres no reason for him to have killed off the island. Though I think I might be missing something as no one has ever mentioned this.

Anonymous Fri May 13 15:36:43 2011 No.7345316

>>7345102
Everyone involved implicitly understood that there were only two ways for Kanon to die. Either he died indirectly by someone murdering Shannon, which was impossible for George, or Shannon erased him. That could have been influenced by George, but it wouldn't count as him committing the murder according to Bern's rules.

Anonymous Sat May 14 13:16:43 2011 No.7348472

>>7345072
>Before that I thought trying to solve the games would be a worthwhile endeavor.
It is.
>If they're not real even in the context of the story, who gives a good goddamn what happened in them?
A lot of people?
>It makes no difference, not even within the story, since they're explicitly fiction within fiction.
So what? It's fiction, but you still can empathize with characters. Besides, they contain clues to the stories and personalities of the real people.
>Afterwards, I fail to see why I should bother.
When it was "spelled out", i.e. ep6, you should have already pretty much solved the game. So yeah, you shouldn't have bothered with solving anymore and concentrate on enjoying.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 13:24:43 2011 No.7348490 >>7348472 >worthwhile endeavor An answer like ShKanontrice isn't worth anything.

Anonymous Sat May 14 13:40:43 2011 No.7348536

>>7344988
Didn't EP8 state that EP1 and EP2 were message bottles written by Beato? That makes Yasu the culprit for those, and not for EP3 and EP4
And Yasu can't possibly be the only culprit. Looking back on Bern's game in EP8, you definitely need accomplices to manage to get closed rooms like that. And Bern's game was almost exactly the same as EP1, so we can be 99% sure that Yasu had at least 2 accomplices.

Anonymous Sat May 14 14:12:43 2011 No.7348654

>>7348536
At least she carried out the 1st twilight of ep3 and Nanjo's murder. With the rest probably being Eva.
Maybe ep4 was done by Kyrie or someone, but at least she was alive long ago to kill her and insert stake in her skull.
She had three main accomplices: Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo. Also whomever she buys with her jewgold, like Eva-Hideyoshi in ep1 or Rosa in ep2.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 14:13:43 2011 No.7348658 >>7348654 >long ago Long enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 17:52:43 2011 No.7349630 >>7334558 >secretly hates her daughter >wants to massacre her son >doesn't even know that she got her kid babyswapped Oh yeah, god tier mom here.

Anonymous Sat May 14 18:07:43 2011 No.7349683

>>7344437
>do witches exist
You're fucking retarded if you think this is still a possibility.

>So....who did all the murder in ep 1?

Yasu. It's a fiction, like EP2, so it never actually happened, but if you go through each event with Shkannontrice as the culprit then you can fully explain the entirety of EP1 with human tricks.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 14 18:20:43 2011 No.7349742 >>7349630 >secretly hates her daughter That never happened. >wants to massacre her son She doesn't really wants to massacre anyone, unless you stand in her way. Too bad if you do. >doesn't even know that she got her kid babyswapped How's it her fault?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 04:26:43 2011 No.7351839 Wasn't there, like, ten times more interest when the 50% patch for episode seven came out?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 04:41:43 2011 No.7351881 >>7351839 I guess people still had hopes for EP8 to salvage some of the train wreck

>>	Anonymous Sun May 15 04:43:43 2011 No.7351898 >>7351839 that was before people finally realized how umineko was never going to salvage the fuckhole of a story it had made itself into.

Anonymous Sun May 15 04:56:43 2011 No.7351962

>>7351839
What's there to discuss? Puzzle answers?
Ep7 had a lot of actual story. And with 50% patch you could even speculate about it.
Ep8 you should just read to enjoy. There are some points worthy of discussion, but they are almost all in the second half.

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