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What is the most difficult Touhou?

I only play 6 and 11 for now

>> No.7148080

8

>> No.7148093

3.

>> No.7148101

For me it was TH11 (ignoring the PC98 games). Took more tries to clear Normal than it took to clear Normal, Hard & Lunatic combined in TH08.

Haven't tried 10, 11 or 12 on Lunatic though, but I'd assume 11 Lunatic to be the hardest. 12 has some nasty bullshit going on but it gives you a ridiculous amount of lives and bombs.

>> No.7148134

That's like asking "Which would you rather attempt to live through? A nuclear bomb exploding at the epicentre of a walled-in flat field covered in mesh and outlined with minefields on both sides outdoors while you're held at gun point in that exact location by 5 people who don't and won't give a shit that they're about to die, or the wrath of the entire Chinese army barenaked alone armed with only a pistol?"

>> No.7148166

They're all easy.

>> No.7148170

Excluding PC98 games, 11 is the hardest.

Fairy wars is also brutally hard, but it's short, so things kind of even out.

>> No.7148172

I wish I could even beat 6.

I'm so terrible, I make it to Remilia with a continue and still can't beat her.

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7148205

11 is the hardest.

>> No.7148212

SA, without any hesitation. And anyone saying that the PC-98 games are harder hasn't played them seriously.

>> No.7148233

>>7148172
I've only ever made it to Remilia once, with only one life and no continues and died almost immediately.
Usually, I can't even get past China, and Patchy is 99% complete death with no continues.

>> No.7148239

Shuusou Gyoku

>> No.7148246

SA is by far the hardest

>> No.7148257
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>>7148101
>12 has some nasty bullshit going on but it gives you a ridiculous amount of lives and bombs.
THAT IS IF YOU ARE ABLE TO GRAB DEM UFOS

>> No.7148262

>>7148239
If you're naming non-Touhou games, I might as well throw out Futari 1.01.

>> No.7148267

easy/normal: 11
hard/lunatic: 12
extra: 11? Maybe? I beat that one first so I have a hard time judging it relatively.

Honorable mention to 12.8.

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>>7148262
>SG
>non-Touhou games
you lost me.

>> No.7148277

Touhou is a low-tier shooter. It's one thing to masturbate to the copious amounts of /d/ pornography of it; but it's completely another to actually play it, especially when MAME and Cave both have games that are far superior.

>> No.7148284

>>7148277
Thanks for posting.

>> No.7148285

I 1cc'd 6,7,8,9,10 normal. For me the hardest was 6.
Also hardest Extra stage by far.

>> No.7148296

As a Normal modo player, PCB was always the hardest for me, until UFO made me hate Touhou. UFO is the only one I've never beaten Extra, and I haven't touched a Touhou game in almost a year now.

EoSD Normal is a joke, same with IN, MoF was only hard until I got used to the bomb/power system and started bombing moar, SA was just a matter of stage practice mode. Youmu always kicked my ass so much harder than Orin, it's not even funny. I could only beat PCB Normal with SakuyaB and spamming bombs (which just felt lame and wasn't enjoyable playing that way), just about every other one I could beat with multiple shot types.

Only beaten Hard in IN with Border Team, and with multiple characters in PoFV (PoFV Lunatic only with the broken anti-AI characters)

>> No.7148301

For me it's a tie between 11 and 12. 12 for me is one of those games that you can do extremely well at one run then do absolutely shitty on another, and while I don't have that problem in 11, the difficulty of it lies elsewhere.

>> No.7148333

>>7148272
Anyway, SG is not harder than SA (at least on Normal difficulty).

>> No.7148338

For me, on Normal....

UFO > SA > PCB = EoSD > IN >> MoF

UFO is messed up. I can do the last stage on 2 lives easy with SanaeB, but I can't get a good run going at all with ReimuA.

>> No.7148342

>>7148284
Just saying, considering everyone here is elitist as all hell, I'll never get why they assign such importance to Touhou of all things.

Touhou is to shmups what Naruto is to Anime and Tsukihime/Umineko are to Visual Novels. The only people that think it's anything more than mediocre are the types that have never played one of the classics.

>> No.7148347 [DELETED] 

ITT: People who think they're a better lifeless pedonerd than you because they're better at danmaku and played old-school mind shatteringly difficult NES games that represent the absolute pinnacle of all past and future gaming judge the quality of games purely by how hard it is even though all games of the giving group are all still ridiculously hard even if they're easy by comparison instead of judging by how entertained they were.
nb4 someone replies to this post by saying that if it weren't for the difficulty, they wouldn't play Touhou because, clearly, they prefer to play games that are both terrible and hard, with the quality of the game having no baring whatsoever on their motivation to keep playing.

>> No.7148363

>>7148342
tbh, I never played any shmup other than Touhou. But when I watch videos of Mushihime-sama Futanari, it looks like it's alternating between streaming and pure randomness. I don't understand what's so great, not to mention Cave's Yukari-like obsession with PURPLE.

>> No.7148399

>>7148342
Because this is the Touhou board.

Tastes are largely arbitrary anyway.

>> No.7148404

>>7148363
Don't troll

>> No.7148417

>>7148233
Sakuya is the one who takes alot out of me.

I could beat Remilia if she didn't turn into a bat at the last part everytime I bomb.

I've made the decision not to play any game after 6 til I beat it though.

>> No.7148418

>>7148347
>stupid, illiterate post
>claims Touhou is "ridiculously hard"

You're autistic.

>> No.7148421

>>7148404
I'm not trying to troll, I just want CAVE fans to explain why Touhou is mediocre and other shmups are better. (with reasoning other than "it's too easy")

>> No.7148426

>>7148417

That may not be the best idea. Sure, it should be the game you focus most on, but ultimately playing other games occasionally will help you too. I did that with MoF and it helped quite a bit, and my eventual victory was the best feeling I've ever had. Sadly I can't 1cc MoF on Normal anymore since I'm out of practice(not counting Marisa B mind you), although I can still 1cc IN B route and maybe PCB, I haven't tried recently.

>> No.7148438

>>7148421
It's pointless to try to argue with them. Western shmups only play for survival.

>> No.7148439

Touhou can be arbitrarily difficult if you put stupid restrictions on yourself. Gold Medal Fairy Wars or something.

>> No.7148463

Hey guys.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35736

>> No.7148493

>>7148463
How reasonable. I don't give that board enough credit.

>> No.7148495

>>7148421
Touhou is mediocre because ZUN is unoriginal as hell. Several of his scoring systems, shot types and patterns were lifted directly from other shooters, his pre-Windows music was sampled from a whole slew of console RPGs and his setting is nothing to write home about (Fantasy Land? Seriously ZUN?). The only reason Touhou became popular in the first place is the same reason shit like Kon and Lucky Star became popular: it features a cast of cute girls with no actual personalities, which allows delusional manchildren to project whatever qualities they want onto them.

Ask yourself this--if the characters were replaced by spaceships or something that couldn't easily be anthropomorphized into a cute girl, do you think that /jp/ would give a fuck about Touhou?

It wouldn't.

>> No.7148497

>>7148439

Or never use bombs.

>HE USES BOMBS!
>LOL
>lmao
>rofl

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SA demo version.
/thread

>> No.7148503

>>7148495
so what

>> No.7148505

>>7148495
Funny, because I would.

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>>7148426
You might be right, at this rate I don't think I will ever beat EoSD, so I should beat some of the easier sequels first.

Curse you Remilia.

>> No.7148515

>>7148509
.. I can't even beat Patchouli on hard.
;_;

>> No.7148514

>>7148495
So in other words, you've never played any of ZUN's games.

>> No.7148513

>>7148495
>his pre-Windows music was sampled from a whole slew of console RPGs
To my knowledge, this is only the case for the very beginning of Casket of Star.

>Ask yourself this--if the characters were replaced by spaceships or something that couldn't easily be anthropomorphized into a cute girl, do you think that /jp/ would give a fuck about Touhou?
Consider this: does /jp/ give a fuck about Deathsmiles?

>>7148463
There's a lot of truth in there. But IMHO, CAVEfags saying Touhou sucks because it's easy are as stupid as Touhoufags saying every other shmup sucks.

>> No.7148518

>>7148513

/jp/ doesn't care about deathsmiles because most of us will never play it.

>> No.7148524

>>7148518
I didn't like that it was sideways.

>> No.7148522

SA by far
IN is probably the easiest

>> No.7148527

>>7148503
>so what
So there's your answer. People think Touhou is good for the same reason that the /a/ crowd thinks Bleach is a masterpiece and FSN is the epitome of visual novels--they don't know any better.

If you become more knowledgeable about the sources that "inspired" ZUN, you'll come to the same conclusion on your own.

>> No.7148535

>>7148513
SoEW stage 4 theme.

>> No.7148536
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>>7148495

Is this kopipe? I'm sure I've seen it before or maybe it's the same guy...

>> No.7148540

>>7148497
Gold medal Fairy Wars is not only no bombs, it's also no freeze. As a side note, freeze is the only thing that even makes Fairy Wars playable since Fairy Wars normal looks like regular Touhou lunatic, based on patterns alone.

>> No.7148544

Sigh... Just delete your thread OP...

>> No.7148545

>>7148495
>the same reason shit like Kon and Lucky Star became popular: it features a cast of cute girls with no actual personalities, which allows delusional manchildren to project whatever qualities they want onto them.

It's funny when people say this. Slice of life media is character driven since there's no plot work with. While characters in these series typically follow set character archetypes, to say they have no personality blatantly shows one has hardly watched or read anything in the genre.

Touhou on the other hand is definitely popularized by giving the fans the ability to do what they wish the franchise, but there's really nothing wrong with that.

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>>7148421
To be perfectly honest, I'm having more fun playing Touhous than CAVE games. But then again, what would I know. I'm just a random scrub that can't even 1CC Ketsui's first loop or SA hard.

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7148550

Do you guys like Gundemonium?

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>>7148347
>That sentence.

>> No.7148554

>>7148544
And I don't mean that in a bad way, I just mean this won't add up to anything any more.
Thread is unsalvageable now.

>> No.7148556

>>7148495
I like the world of Touhou though. I like this fantasy-like world where every now and again something occurs that needs a little investigating and the journey that Reimu, Marisa and so on go through.

You can't just ask people if they'd enjoy a game if the characters were removed or changed in a major way. They're required to fit the story. I'd still enjoy the atmosphere I get when I play if the characters were men or personified animals of some kind.

I enjoy the plot for Touhou. I've played plenty of shmups that start off with a bland introduction about starting in the world 3000 where an alien race has invaded Earth and you are a new recruit to counter the invasion.

I'm not a huge Touhou fan. I've played a lot of the games but I don't have specific Yukari, Okuu, Cirno folders, etc. I'm not into the fanon and in some cases, I deliberately avoid Touhou doujinshi (in the case of hentai, the quality of the story is often so-so and disappointing) but I still enjoy the game.

As for /jp/ enjoying Touhou if it didn't have any little girls, I suppose not but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a popular 'obscure, indie' shmup on /v/.

You can't say Touhou is mediocre because ZUN is unoriginal. Whether or not ZUN is unoriginal or not, your point is not confronting secondaries and fanon which are a tremendous part of the Touhou culture. Touhou isn't just about the game, no matter how some people might prefer. A lot of it is about people's interpretations and their doujin work.

>> No.7148558

>>7148552
I was responding to... something else... Just ignore it.

>> No.7148560

>>7148527
I did that and that didn't happen, in fact it made me appreciate it more.

>> No.7148564

>>7148513
>To my knowledge, this is only the case for the very beginning of Casket of Star.

About that...

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8558246

In ZUN's defense though, it really is much less noticeable for his later games.

>Consider this: does /jp/ give a fuck about Deathsmiles?

They give more of a fuck about it than Ikaruga or Radiant Silvergun, despite the fact that a lot of people got into shmups through those.

>> No.7148571

>>7148560
And I don't mean that I went "lol purple everywhere, 2hu is better". I spent a lot of time playing arcade STGs and love the ones I stuck with. I don't know why I'm bothering to reply.

>> No.7148583

Touhou is the only shmup I need.

>> No.7148593

UFO if you play it the way it's meant to be played.

>> No.7148598

>>7148593
This thread isn't about that anymore.

>> No.7148606

>>7148598
i didn't bother since a 60 reply thread on /jp/ is like a 250 reply thread on another board.

>> No.7148617

Playing a top down shooter for its characters is like playing an FPS for its story.

>> No.7148626

>>7148564
The majority of these comparisons are big stretches.

PS also recorded from a crappy emulator

>> No.7148627

>>7148564
I've never seen Deathsmiles mentioned here, while I see Ikaruga pop up occasionally.

>> No.7148634

>>7148593
I wonder how they compare for top scoring. You have to do some ridiculous graze shit in PCB and SA, and in MoF if you die once it's over.

>> No.7148657

>>7148617
I fail to see your point. I'd play a game for the story. Especially an FPS, since they're so easy nowadays it'd barely be a noticeable bother. I'd do it if the story was worth it, that is. The problem is not with the idea, the problem is that such a game has never existed.

And Touhou does have good characters.

>> No.7148662

I like Touhou's story, it's nice and simple.

>> No.7148675

>>7148617
That stuff is for when you're not playing, which feeds back and makes you enjoy the game more. Most Touhou fans spend most of all of their time in that "between plays" mode, however.

>> No.7148692

>>7148675

Sadly true for me. I'm waiting for Ten Desires. I have no desire to 1cc the games I haven't beaten yet because I am currently too discouraged to go on as well as playing other games too. But I'll start again once it comes out, I promise.

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7148745

I just died during Kanako's last spellcard using Marisa B.

TH10 is the hardest, you have to bomb all the time, specially on the fucking waterfall.

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>>7148692
I'll believe in you.

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>>7148745

>MoF Stage 4

>> No.7148814

>>7148798
I am still shocked by how dumb that stage is every time I play it

>> No.7148829

>>7148634
For me UFO has been the easiest game for me as far as scoring, since I'm good with the memorization stuff.
I find the SA scoring system the worse, since the item value resets completely once you die. At least with MoF it's not too hard to build your point value up again unless you die consecutive deaths.

>> No.7148835

Yuugi's shakles a criminal can't remove was a interesting and challenging card in the demo, a pity ZUN caters to casuals and made it a freebie in the full release.

>> No.7148839

>>7148814

What problem do you have with it? The only part that really gets me is Momiji.

>> No.7148848

>>7148839
I always bomb through that part for points. I hate the black star spraying things since the stars dance around too much and they're a huge drain on your faith.

>> No.7148863

>>7148839
Just the way half of it is forced slow streaming with no freedom in how you tackle it. And then the waterfalls that would be fun except the white bullets are enormous and make it near impossible. Basically, except for a couple parts, it's too rigid, and I have no idea how he found that fun, especially when the stages before and after are actually good and let you move around and through things how you want to.

>> No.7148887

>>7148839
I hate the part right before momiji, fairies spawning randomly. If I'm not right under Momiji when she apears I have to bomb (or die).

>> No.7148919

>>7148863
MoF has good stages, especially on lunatic where you have to actually U stream (not having to graze helps too), but then you get to 4 and it's just wham welcome to the shit zone. Stage 6 sucks too but it's short and fast. I like Aya though.

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