/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

TERA Online General

-Talk about TERA
-Discuss Elin
-Post Elin pictures

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sltjhZa_jY0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40UKr8Irl4U

[Anomynous No.]

Do we have screenshots of the cosmetic changes yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7122480
No, not yet. I don't know why they would censor anything anyway.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7122496
Some of the cloth armors are quite revealing. I don't like the fact that they're changing them, but it won't keep me from playing if they're minor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7122515
It makes me wonder what they will look like naked. It really wouldn't make sense to change the armor and not this.

[Anonymous No.]

This not related to /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently they are planning on having Australian servers though, which given the heavy reliance on low-ping is a very good thing.

That being said, I'm very disappointed that they've decided to censor the game in spite of utterly overwhelming opposition.
If they put in place some method to circumvent or revert the changes on a client-side basis I'll certainly play the game, but I'll have to pass otherwise, regardless of the server allocation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7122539
How can they have thighs like that but no butt?

[Anonymous No.]

We can't even PLAY this. What's the point of even having a thread about it?

I'm not trying to sound like a douchebag, but this is worse than the WoT threads we had. At least we could play and discuss that in a timely fashion.

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Pay MMO anyway, no one on /jp/ will play it.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

sometime soon a special closed beta should be up(mfw Elin race will be off since they are getting 'changes' and those would be..some tights to some of the armors as they said...)
also why so goddamn butthurt

[Anomynous No.]

>>7122588
They can have silly anatomy like that because they're a fantastic race.

Hell, most of the males of the races have nigh-impossible physiques too.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I really like the scenery in TERA. It's a shame it will be pay to play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7122648
it wont be as shitty as a free 2 play with item shop mmo

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

If they leave the designs the hell alone, yes. If they change them to be less slutty then what's the goddamn point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7122676
I wouldn't mind paying if it isn't like 100000000x other shitty f2p/p2p/whatever MMOs out there.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

WoW with gimmicky combat.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7122733
Well, they aren't actually changing the designs of the sluts, just the pure little girls.

!!Caution, post contains sarcasm!!

[Anomynous No.]

>>7122735
Well, one of the things TERA has going for it is that it's am action MMO. Instead of clicking/targeting, you're actually aiming your shots and skills.

[Anonymous No.]

I wasn't planning on dressing my Elin like a slut, but censorship still pisses me off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123205
Same as this anon, I was going for archer so none of my armor is getting censored, but it still gives this moralfagottry after taste from those shitty companies.

[Remilia Scarlet !NOUx2Remio No.]

Hopefully everyone that mad over a cosmetic change just never plays; things will be a lot more fun without them.

[Anonymous No.]

sorcerer will be getting hit by this pretty hard, and it's the class i plan on maining

they've lost my purchase if the tights look like crap, sad to say, as i've been really interested in playing it on release. i've dabbled in the korean version a bit, but not much motivation to play an mmo you can't understand. quite awesome though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123231
censorship is censorship, and i'm not too happy with the potential ruining of their beautiful outfits either. if the tights look good and fit in nicely then it's all gravy, but the situation sucks for people who planned on playing an elin, and you're either trolling or retarded to not see that.

[Anonymous No.]

>Add bloomers/stockings to the Elin
This is my fetish so i am totally okay with this and now i will fap even more.jpg

[Remilia Scarlet !NOUx2Remio No.]

>>7123243
Been planning to play Elin since they were revealed, and I am not in the least bit bothered that they are putting pants on pretty much all the slutty cloth armor. So no, the situation only sucks for people who planned on playing Elin in the March test, which is a very select group in the first place. As far as the actual game itself? Nothing will be ruined for Elin players. They look and play the same, they just have pants and one altered animation. How is that game changing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123251
>one altered animation
People keep saying this but there has never been a official statement on this.
And the one post about the Elin changes they said they would ONLY add clothes to sluttier outfits.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.

[Anonymous No.]

Will the change be worldwide or just in NA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123251
my character has quite a lot to do with me playing an mmo, so yes, it is game changing. there's a reason i'm not playing rift right now.

the only way i'd boycott the game over it is if they're just completely, ridiculously ugly tights. i'm hoping they're not, but i'm pretty sure they'll be waist high tights and there's not much you can do with that without adding to the perceived "problem" with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123256
I haven't seen anything official announcing that changed idle animation thing and a mod over at the forums had this to say:

>The only planned change for the elin is that we will be adding colored tights to a few of the armor models. That's it, most of the armor models won't even change.

src: http://www.tera-online.com/forums/showpost.php?p=316210&postcount=1317

I am a little disappointed at the censorship but I'll still be playing Elin regardless, and Slayer armor doesn't look slutty anyways, so no real loss for me there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123274
confirmed for na/eu so far

who knows about jp, they're a bit tsundere lately

[Remilia Scarlet !NOUx2Remio No.]

>>7123256
Nothing official. Just more general speculation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123276
yeah, it'll mainly affect mage classes since most of the outfits in question are cloth/robes

[Anonymous No.]

Black Cocks General

-Talk about VIDEO GAMES
-Discuss HOTGLUE
-SPAM VITA pictures

[Anonymous No.]

Well i dont mind colored tights i guess..
The loss of gyrating hips on idle animation would be fatal though.

Then again lets hope Tera is more then just Aion 2.
But to be fair i have my doubts when it comes to any MMO these days.

>Picture half-related

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123279
Gah, I was hoping it would only be for NA.

Guess I'll wait and see how much they've changed, didn't think I'd feel like this but it could but me off from playing it. If not for the delicious lolis it's because the devs listen to moralfags too much and that never leads to good things.

[Remilia Scarlet !NOUx2Remio No.]

You know why they listened to moralfags on this issue? Because this is a pay to play game; they have a commercial aspect to consider. Why risk alienating the people who are most likely going to bring them the most profit? If this was free to play, maybe these complaints about Elin no longer being as exposed as you'd like would have more leverage, and probably be a bit more valid. Business is business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123338
Its because most mmo players are 12 year olds, and soccer moms dont like half-naked little girls no sir!

Cant_be_helped.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123346
A socker mom won't approve of any females in TERA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123346
That's only for US. In Europe even comics involve naked little girls. See "Le Petit Monde de Pétassine".

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

Why would 15 year old children play TERA?

[Remilia Scarlet !NOUx2Remio No.]

>>7123362
"Women" are allowed to be whatever whores they want. Not that anyone throwing moral stones paid any attention to how an Elin is anatomically designed. It looks around 4 feet tall and has a cute face, so it's clearly a child. Maybe if Castanics were pint-sized, they would be getting pants, too. Still, very minor. Wait until something like animation related changes are announced; that would be something worth caring about.

[Anonymous No.]

Bump for video games

[Anonymous No.]

Played a bit of open beta.
All I have to say is that I didn't like the feeling.
I don't know how to describe it.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys realize there is a 99.999% chance that a nude patch will come out within the week it's released right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123393
I seriously doubt that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123371
>Because of the rating-debate between our american partner and us there could be some changes in the racial design of the Elin.
I like how this Frogster dev is not being affirmative at all in his sentence.
http://tera.onlinewelten.com/articles,id469,0,interview_with_henning_schmid_english.html

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>7123389
Open beta you mean korean beta the one where you have 500 ping?

I wonder why it didn't feel right...

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1ZNEfJ-f5o

[(Sage goes in the E-mail field) No.]

DAT DUCKING LOLI HIPS AND ASS AND THIGHS

:( I really want my own child-bearing hip loli to sit on my face forever and ever :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123393
And you don't realize that this isn't about whether you will be able to mod it or not.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ can be the little girl and complains that they can get some tights..hell i would complain too cos bare legs are fine too D:

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123676
>D:
ECKSUDEE

[Anonymous No.]

>I don't like censorship but I'm still going to support bad companies that do it

This is why we can't have nice things.

[Anonymous No.]

My biggest concern with TERA is that they won't add attack speed latency compensation for the western release. Right now the game waits for however long your ping is before it executes the attack you told it to use, which means that on a warrior that's supposed to attack once every 0.4 seconds, a 200ms ping means you attack 2/3rds as fast as a 0ms warrior. This also means you're totally screwed in PVP since you can't make your target flinch enough to lock them down like you should be able to.

Aion had the exact same problem and they never fixed it. The community reps in Aion responded to a huge in-depth post explaining exactly what it would do (which was 100% correct), and said that they didn't think it was a problem. I dunno. I really like the art style of eastern MMOs, but the non-responsive dev teams that think everyone lives in Korea/Japan really burn me out.

Here's a video showing off the difference latency can make in terms of attack speed in this game. It's not pretty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbRuXAnYing

CATCHPA: lctin eunuchs

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123393
Which is pointless if the player is the only one who sees it. I want to show everyone my sexy legs, not just myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123738
Oh god it's exactly why i rage quit aion
playing a gladiator with 200-250 ping is so painful...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123738
I can see the problem, but I'm not sure I understand your suggested fix. Should the game guess what key I'm going to press before the packet has reached the server?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123738
Holy shit, that's utterly stupid.
Wouldn't the simplest thing be to have two protocol commands "Start attack" and "Stop attack", so that latency has no influence on attack speed?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this game somehow related to that Aika?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123880
Not at all, except for country of origin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123849
>>7123738
Solution: move to korea

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123738
Tera is being played like a FPS so it's pretty normal for that to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

Since when are MMOs rated?

And why single out the race that is the ONLY reason for playing your stupid grind-for-fun korean shit mmo?

The only reason anybody plays korean MMOs is because they want to be the little girl. Not because they want to run around wearing pants or whatever the fuck they're going to do.

There's hundreds of korean MMOs out these with way more skimpy lolis that this.

They need to westernize the gameplay, not the character designs.

Also, this game is pay to play isn't it? So all my rage is for naught. I prefer to play f2p games.

[Anonymous No.]

1. Have some characters wear tights
2. Make special tights the same color as the characters' skin
3. ???
4. PROFIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123936
Poorfags gonna poor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123738
Wouldnt this be solved if asians and non-asians had different servers?

[Anomynous No.]

>>7123936
>MMO ratings
since always. Not that it matters because online interactions aren't rated and that's all the game does.

>Why/Only reason to play
Because they think they will make more by mitigating the risk of a public backlash than they will lose from pissing off players. Seriously, this is the reason. It's the same reason that every other negative game change ever is done. It doesn't change.

>So all my rage is for naught. I prefer to play f2p games.
and thus, for all your anger over this, they wouldn't have made any money off of you anyway, thus you're a zero loss to them.

>They need to westernize the gameplay
Now this I would like to see some elaboration on as I'm not sure what you mean.

P.S.: I'm not defending the changes; I don't like them either.

[Anonymous No.]

Would this be solved if asians and non-asians had different servers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123936
gb 2 maplestory

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123936
cool story, poorfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124044
> P.S.: I'm not defending the changes
> item by item rebuttal

Don't look now, but you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124050
>>7124054
Woah bros chill out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124054
>>7124014
/jp/ is totally about spending money and not being NEETs. Most definitely. I can tell you people are not new to /jp/ at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7122470
>>7122631
>>7122725
>>7123377
Did someone say day 1 buy?
Because I thought I heard someone say day 1 buy.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm actually looking forward to a real pay to play game so it shuts out the retards and the shitty pay to win you get with f2p MMOs. I'm sick to goddamn death of dying by vanguard fencers and lily rain eve's in Cosmic Break. This would be much more fun I believe.

The changes to Elin make me very very very sad. Fans already know what she looks like dumbasses and can find pictures of her online, changing it now is far beyond too late and can only serve to piss off the fans, it's like taking out the lesbians in Sailor Moon when all the little girls I knew watching it would talk about how 'they were lesbians in Japan but now they're cousins'.

So I'm torn between wanting to play something that looks delicious and has taken out the shitty cash shop for profit and not wanting to pay for a game that thinks it needs to censor things for an American audience. I want to play but I also want to beat the shit out of the devs for being morons.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7124061
>answering questions = rebutting arguments
What?

[Anomynous No.]

>>7124061
>answering questions = rebutting arguments
What? Stated opinions are arguments now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123877 >>7123738
There is no auto-attack, which is the core issue here.

It's a TPS dropped into an MMO world. It's the same situation as any shooter, and people with shit pings have never been able to compete on even grounds in those.

Unless there is some magic fix that can let people with shit connections somehow have 20 ping, I can't see changes to accommodate them as anything other than doing terrible things to the game. As an example, if you've played Cosmic Break, you've probably seen the ridiculous effects that "accommodating" for people with shit pings can have on gameplay.

The thing I fear most with their proclaimed "Westernization" of the game is a change to core gameplay. If I wanted a normal sterilized MMO, I would have bought RIFT when it came out recently.

[Anonymous No.]

I might give the game a shot, IF the chop-job isn't too horrific... I'll wait until I hear what some of you have to say about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124149
>Westernizing the gameplay
>Another WoW Clone
Nope.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124181

Unless of course there's another super cute, colorful moe-MMORPG out there already..

[Anonymous No.]

>no idea what this is
>skim the thread
>yet another another corean MMO?
>I guess I was wrong
>looks dumb.
>probably going to be another Aion

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124232
>reactionimage.png
>greentext
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

So, when will they announce what the censorship will be like?

[Anomynous No.]

>>7124746
Well, they've already given a rough description of what the changes will be like, but when they actually come out with comparison screen shots is anyone's guess at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone figure out how to extract the models and use them in MMD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123520
Does it feel substantially better now than before?
I never really got out of the beginner town.
I think I got up to the point where you have to climb that long vine up that takes forever.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124003
>Make special tights the same color as the characters' skin

[Anonymous No.]

>>7125044
Damn even the drawings are getting censored?

[Nadie No.]

>>7124892
Why don't just make the models in 3dmax and then export it to MMD?
Fuck, why do you use MMD at all? Just use 3dmax.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124111
http://www.tera-online.com/forums/showpost.php?p=311444&postcount=35

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126176
Almost as good as tenkla and her red clam meat.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit, a Tera thread? How many of you all are on Mystral? Seams most of the NE crowd thats playing the Korean version is on that server.

[Anonymous No.]

How exactly is this Korean garbage /jp/ related? also what kind of retard pays to play a game?

Reported, take this shit back to /v/, you'll have a lot of fun talking to other kids who steal their mom's credit cards to pay for this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126465
they also added the cosmetic change to the elin would be panties and ONLY panties. As for the westernization? They tinkered with the lore. And if you care about the lore you are a massive faggot. This game plays like Monster Hunter and an FPS in most regards. In short its a real time platformer withy RPG gimmicks. If you don't like it this game is NOT for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126490
Excuse me my brain lost a cell the cosmetic change was stockings or something along the lines. LETS COVER A FETISH WITH A FETISH!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126480
No. Get out of /jp/ you shitty faggot. People like you have no right to stay here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126480
But Pangya, Aika, Vindictus, and Mabinogi are all ok right?

[Anonymous No.]

How does one go about creating an account for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126515
Wait for the Japanese Beta Test. We'll all be playing it!

[Anonymous No.]

I play a Berserker. Shes the most awesome thing I have experienced in gaming since Samus. She carries a giant axe. She kills legions of monsters at a time. Her crits shakes the earth and thunder is her harbinger. After she makes the sky rain blood and she alone is standing, she prances off like a deer.

[Anonymous No.]

Will the japanese version have some kind of confirmation shit like kssn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126595
Not a ssn but I have ran across sites that require a Japanese address. Its blood hard to fake one to. Generally their games revolve around credit cards like ours do.

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

Slayer class sounds interesting. Berserker would be my 2nd choice along with Archer. Kind of surprised that there is no generic rogue class though.

[Anonymous No.]

oh boy yet another grind-centric gook mmorpg and this one isnt even free like the rest of its kind

[Anonymous No.]

>Make VN thread on /jp/
>Get called a newfag, cancer, and told to head off to /a/ for wanting to discuss an 'entry-level' VN

>Post MMO that has borderline pedo pandering attributes
>1390851 posts and 131 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

No /jp/, you are your own cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126615
Stop crying. Your shitty normalfags erotic games will never interest /jp/. Start posting about something with half naked lolis if you want our interests. Not happy? Get the fuck out and go to some normalfag's forum because we're not gonna change for you. FUCK YOU. EAT SHIT. DIE. FUCK. YOU. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126615
>post a vn recommendation thread

Fixed for you.

[Man-Pedo !r9.w91chTo No.]

>>7126615
Goddamn pedophiles

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

>>7126616
VNs = /jp/
Make sure you tailor the threads around the time of the day/day of the week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126620
Yes and? We are also allowed to not like shitty VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126615
He thinks pedo on 4chan is new and interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126615
If you are so displeased with the board, why don't you go to /a/? They love entry level VNs over there last time I checked (which was a long time ago but I don't think they're in any danger of ever developing good taste).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126614
Best grind Ive ever experienced. Sometimes when im out questing ill find that I leveled and killed 10times over what I was supposed to. Its just fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>people complaining about 200-250 ping

shit son, i live in aus. i have a connection that on a good torrent and low useage day gives me 300kbps. I play SC2 at platinum level and Halo: reach at onyx level with 350ms ping.

Excuuuuuse me.

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

>>7126628
What is the standard mob spacing and numbers like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126631
it's normal
not too dense not too far apart

except for the small guys that travel in little groups

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126623
I'm new to VNs, is Tsukihime a shitty one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126631
Greatly depends on what area you are in. I can gather up 10+ mobs at a time in some areas and am forced in to 1 at a time in others. There are also group mobs, batches of fast little critters with low hp and a single normal mob that acts like a sort of captain. Its a ball when you can get a bunch of shit at a time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126625
Personally, I don't care if you bitch and moan since I'm posting board-related threads; I browse whatever board I feel like during the day. I'm just pointing out that /jp/ is the cause of its own cancer as evident by this thread.

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

>>7126637
>>7126639
What class(es) do you play?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126643
see
>>7126586

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126640
Try to stop using 'cancer', it makes it obvious you have been here for a very short time and come from /b/ or a board heavily influenced by it (/a/, /v/). Which brings us to how online game threads have been a tradition on /jp/ for a significant amount of time (look up the timestamp of posts regarding Megaten or Aispace on the archive), while 'entry level VNs' have been discussed to death, some of them before /jp/ even existed.

You are coming into an established community and becoming frustrated when it's pointed out nobody has any interest in discussing a 'board related' topic that everyone already discussed to exhaustion. Then take that frustration out on a thread you judge to not be relevant, according to your own made up rules or the official rules that were always ambiguous and pointless. When there is another board willing to discuss your topic of choice. All because 'you browse whatever board you feel like'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126660
Especially considering there's a website for VN information.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh wow did not know there was a TERA general

Im still on mystrel, dying for a group to quest with at 48.

This game has WAY too little solo content at higher levels. I ding 48, do my solo quests, and only get 20% exp.. need to grind repeatables for the other 80%.

And now im running out of repeatables. At least the tokens sell for quite a large sum so my 50 gear won't be a problem.. if i ever get there

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

Any idea on the release date? Just says 2011 where ever I look.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7126758
Probably late 2011/early 2012. I'm going to hazard a guess that even they're not sure when it's going to be ready.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone explain what the HELL this is? I've never played an MMO before. What makes it good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7127258
>I've never played an MMO before.

I thought you played Mapplestory. You were grinding some rings a few days ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7127261
I remember playing Pangya and quit after I was matched up with a player literally half my age.

[Anonymous No.]

What is this, another shitty Korean mmo in my /jp/, I don't even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7127295
This is not your /jp/. Fuck back to /a/.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7127258
What makes MMOs good is you get to play a game with many other people at the same time in the same world. You can understand, I hope, why the concept is frightening and alien to the denizens of this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7126758 >>7127185
I was poking around a few days ago and there was a post by some nerd with a blue name that said they are aiming to have a public test around the start of summer.

So it will be some, probably-significant, time after that ends.

[Anonymous No.]

Ive been thinking about playing a healer to make some of the endgame content easier but I cant decide if it shoudl be a Mystic or Priest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7123874
You let the player press the button before the attack is ready, and let the server execute it as soon as it is. WoW does it, Guild Wars does it, plenty of games do it. There's really no issue with trying to figure out a solution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124149
Whether it's FPS style gameplay is irrelevant. The problems you see with ping in FPS have nothing to do with the attack speed problem. In FPS games, ping hurts your reaction time. There's no effect on how often you can shoot a gun whatsoever. If FPS games don't have the problem, there's no reason TERA should.

There's plenty of ways to fix the attack speed problem. You could have the client start the attack animation and skill cooldown immediately when you press the button, then cancel them if the server doesn't approve. You could let the player press the button 200ms before the skill is finished, then let the server use it as soon as it's ready. You could let the player queue one skill in advance.

I've heard people raving about how FPS gameplay means ping is unresolvable when they don't even have a clue what ping is or how to fix it. If you have something to say about ping, give specific reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7124149
First off, do you even know what auto-attack is or how it's used? Mages, Warlocks, and Priests in WoW don't have auto-attack, yet they don't have any attack speed problems due to ping. In fact, whether anyone has auto-attack at all is irrelevant since the vast majority of damage for all classes in WoW comes from activated attacks just like it does in TERA, yet there is still no problems with ping penalizing attack speed.

Second, what do FPS games have to do with attack speed latency problems? FPS games don't have attack speed problems due to latency either. It doesn't matter what your ping is it won't affect how fast or often you can shoot. Ping affects your reaction time. That holds true in FPS games and TERA. It's irrelevant to your attack speed in FPS games and it should also be irrelevant in TERA.

There's plenty of ways to fix the attack speed problem. You could have the client start the attack animation and skill cooldown immediately when you press the button, then cancel them if the server doesn't approve. You could let the player press the button 200ms before the skill is finished, then let the server use it as soon as it's ready. You could let the player queue one skill in advance.

I've heard people raving about how FPS gameplay means ping is unresolvable when they don't even have a clue what ping is or how to fix it. If you have something to say about ping, give specific reasons.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7132610
The TERA Races stand by this informative and helpful post.

Also, for those interested in reading some industry work on the topic:
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Latency_Compensating_Methods_in_Client/Server_In-game_Protoc
ol_Design_and_Optimization

[Anonymous No.]

It seems like the censored images of the elins will be posted in a few hours on En Masse forum. Let's prepare to rage forever.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought games like this usually have a Japanese version. We should wait for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135121
It will be out soon. Anybody ready to make a English patch so we can enjoy a translated version without stupid censorship?

[Anonymous No.]

The game isn't even out yet and pixiv already have a fuckload of elin's fanart.

[Anonymous No.]

Does this game have an english version?

Is this the game i've been hearing that will have an altered, more PG version for western players?

Seriously considering playing this MMO

[Anomynous No.]

>>7135185
En Masse Entertainment is translating the game.
We will see what has been changed later today.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>7135426
Really!?

[Anonymous No.]

>shit ass pc
>CRT master race
>keyboard has cracks all over it
>mouse is half dead
>can only play ragnarok
Tell me /jp/, when is this coming out because I think I'm gonna go out and flip burgers to save up money to buy a new pc.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7135427
http://www.tera-online.com/forums/showpost.php?p=324795&postcount=1993
So states the community representative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135468
Don't be a faggot; build your own

[(Sage goes in the E-mail field) No.]

>>7122470
Character predictions.

Pedobear - /b/
Loli - /jp/
GAR paladin class - 14 year old boys
White hair Sephiroth skinny emo human faggots - 19 year old emo trash

I'd roll a pedobear, a loli and the huge silver troll-like character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135472
I know, I already have a plan for a 400 usd budget build. I'm just wondering if I have enough time to save up money before the game comes out.
>TBA
God damn it.

[(Sage goes in the E-mail field) No.]

>>7135481
Drop by /g/ and ask them closer to the time. I'm sure you can knock a little off the price with their help. Also, mention the loli and they'll be extra happy to join in the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135492
I actually made that build with them few months ago, and the guide doesn't apply to me since I live in a 3rd world shithole, philippines, and no I am not mugen and there's very limited parts that I can get here.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>7135497
Just be sure to get a good GPU it's all about the GPU with games these days.

I have an old as shit Core 2 Duo E6700 2.66 Ghz and I switched my broken 8800 GTS to a 460 GTX and I can play everything on 1920×1080 with high x4 or higher AA and AF on stable framrates.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7135481
Mind you, a budget build won't be able to run the game like you see in the thread. I'm fairly certain even mine will have a hard time running on high settings (ran me ~1000 in 2009).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135504
I could care less about the quality really, I've been running this bad boy for years now and anything, ANYTHING, will be better than this, that I know at least. I've endured emulating DS games with ~10 FPS, I don't think there's anything else that might disappoint me.
>>7135502
The plan is a 555BE (hopefully I can unlock it into 3 or even 4 cores) and also a gtx460, should be able to run these games fine I think.

[(Sage goes in the E-mail field) No.]

>>7135497
That sucks, anon. However, better hardware will be coming out constantly so your guide will be obsolete by then. There may be some good AMD processors coming out soon with bulldozer, but that's probably a huge troll, where Intels new Sandybridge will get a shrink by maybe Jan, so things will likely fall in price. Those processors can get up to 4-5ghz overclocked on air cooling. There's also a new nVidia 'nextgen' card coming soon, probably a GTX590 or maybe 6XX, so there'll be price drops all around.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

>>7135513
Actually this build should enable you to run Tera on 1920×1080 very high max AF AA with mostly stable frame rates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7132610
You completely missed the point of what I typed, mostly due to my sloppy writing, and probably in part that you decided you were more knowledgeable than I am, due to your extensive experience with World of Warcraft and 360 shooters. I won't bother picking apart the many other problems with what you typed.

Of course there are ways to fix the problem you described, but they all have trade-offs. One of the "fixes" is already in place in the game, and you're seeing part of what it does in that video.

[Anonymous No.]

Just as a general note for the more recent comments about game performance:

This game ran totally fine at 1920x1200 / max settings in most situations for me on my 1.8Ghz Core2Duo and 2GB of ram, video card is HD4890. There were points, though, where it dropped down to a slide-show, such as on the flying mounts where it's trying to load of stuff really quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135568
Apparently you know nothing about client-side prediction.
Your entire post contained not one piece of information relevant to the topic. Not only that but the reason he's right and you're wrong is specifically your refusal to explain the "many other problems" in his post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135568

This is >>7132610
You started out saying that no auto-attack means you can't just have an auto-attack toggle like the guy you responded to was saying. You then went on to say that Third-Person shooters have this same problem which is absolutely not the case. In fact, third person shooters DO have auto-attack since you can simply hold down the button and fire at top-speed no matter what your ping.

You mentioned Cosmic Break as an example of the problems latency compensation can cause, and while I'm not familiar with Cosmic Break's latency compensation in detail, I know that Cosmic Break's ranged attacks are evaluated server side, and its melee attacks evaluated client side, neither of which would be relevant to TERA. Client-side hit detection is moronic. There's really nothing more to say about that. The projectile speeds in TERA are also much much slower and last for far less time than those in Cosmic Break, which is why I expect to see fewer problems with latency in TERA than other games regardless of the solution.

But in any case, all of those things are relevant only to general latency compensation. They have absolutely nothing to do with attack speed compensation, which was the entire point of this thread. It seems like you completely missed the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135568

This is >>7132610
You started out saying that no auto-attack means you can't just have an auto-attack toggle like the guy you responded to was saying. You then went on to say that Third-Person shooters have this same problem which is absolutely not the case. In fact, third person shooters DO have auto-attack since you can simply hold down the button and fire at top-speed no matter what your ping.

You mentioned Cosmic Break as an example of the problems latency compensation can cause, and while I'm not familiar with Cosmic Break's latency compensation in detail, I know that Cosmic Break's ranged attacks are evaluated server side, and its melee attacks evaluated client side, neither of which would be relevant to TERA's attack speed problem. Client-side hit detection is moronic. There's really nothing more to say about that. The projectile speeds in TERA are also much much slower and last for far less time than those in Cosmic Break, which is why I expect to see fewer problems with latency in TERA than other games regardless of the solution.

But in any case, all of those things are relevant only to general latency compensation. They have absolutely nothing to do with attack speed compensation, which was the entire point of this thread. It seems like you completely missed the point.

Also, WTF is with the CATCHPA system!? "ebials φάρμακον" Greek!? Are you kidding me!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135568

This is >>7132610
You started out saying that no auto-attack means you can't just have an auto-attack toggle like the guy you responded to was saying. You then went on to say that Third-Person shooters have this same problem which is absolutely not the case. In fact, third person shooters DO have auto-attack since you can simply hold down the button and fire at top-speed no matter what your ping.

You mentioned Cosmic Break as an example of the problems latency compensation can cause, and while I'm not familiar with Cosmic Break's latency compensation in detail, I know that Cosmic Break's ranged attacks are evaluated server side, and its melee attacks evaluated client side, neither of which would be relevant to TERA's attack speed problem. Client-side hit detection is moronic. There's really nothing more to say about that. The projectile speeds in TERA are also much much slower and last for far less time than those in Cosmic Break, which is why I expect to see fewer problems with latency in TERA than other games regardless of the solution.

But in any case, all of those things are relevant only to general latency compensation. They have absolutely nothing to do with attack speed compensation, which was the entire point of my post. It seems like you completely missed the point.

Also, WTF is with the CATCHPA system? "ebials φάρμακον"?! Greek!? Are you kidding me!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135592
And apparently you can't read. What of it?

Anyways, here's a nice list of things that are absolutely incorrect or idiotic, since I'm terribly bored and have nothing better to do:
>FPS games don't have attack speed problems due to latency either
>It doesn't matter what your ping is it won't affect how fast or often you can shoot
So he's played a handful of shooters and is ignoring the plethora of cases where these can, indeed, be seen. Not to mention the even greater number of MMOs where the same (firing rate) issues can be seen due to latency effects.

>Ping affects your reaction time
What in the fuck am I reading.

>You could have the client start the attack animation and skill cooldown immediately when you press the button, then cancel them if the server doesn't approve
It already does the equivalent to that without wasting time showing you that you aren't attacking, while also preventing you from wasting your cooldown (more applicable to the skills that aren't the equivalent to "auto-attack", which is what is shown in that video).

>You could let the player press the button 200ms before the skill is finished, then let the server use it as soon as it's ready.
You certainly could, yes. You might want to think about the interaction between client-side displayed cooldowns and server-side forced cooldowns and when the projectiles are first shown firing on your end, and then when they are actually allowed to fire. This is nearly identical to, and just as useless as, the next comment:

>You could let the player queue one skill in advance.
Really now. Queuing actions in an TPS? I can't even tell if your whole post was supposed to be in jest after reading this.

But anyways, feel free to post something useful yourself. Perhaps even something that touches on the very serious issue that both of you were completely ignoring, yet is inherently connected to giving the client-side more control of what's happening in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7135828
>Anyways, here's a nice list of things that are absolutely incorrect or idiotic, since I'm terribly bored and have nothing better to do:
>FPS games don't have attack speed problems due to latency either
>It doesn't matter what your ping is it won't affect how fast or often you can shoot
>So he's played a handful of shooters and is ignoring the plethora of cases where these can, indeed, be seen. Not to mention the even greater number of MMOs where the same (firing rate) issues can be seen due to latency effects.
So since there are crap FPS games that don't fix the problem, it can't be fixed?

>Ping affects your reaction time
>What in the fuck am I reading.
If my ping is 200ms, then things I'm seeing are 200ms out of date, thus my reactions are delayed 200ms. What the heck did you think ping was?

>You could have the client start the attack animation and skill cooldown immediately when you press the button, then cancel them if the server doesn't approve
>It already does the equivalent to that without wasting time showing you that you aren't attacking, while also preventing you from wasting your cooldown (more applicable to the skills that aren't the equivalent to "auto-attack", which is what is shown in that video).

Obviously not or there would be no attack speed problem.

[Anonymous No.]

Continued...

>You could let the player press the button 200ms before the skill is finished, then let the server use it as soon as it's ready.
>You certainly could, yes. You might want to think about the interaction between client-side displayed cooldowns and server-side forced cooldowns and when the projectiles are first shown firing on your end, and then when they are actually allowed to fire. This is nearly identical to, and just as useless as, the next comment:
If latency variations make the attack request arrive early, then have the server execute it soon after. It shouldn't be a difference of more than 15ms. Regardless it'll cause no more problems than plain old vanilla lag would.

>You could let the player queue one skill in advance.
>Really now. Queuing actions in an TPS? I can't even tell if your whole post was supposed to be in jest after reading this.

I have yet to see anyone give any reason why this wouldn't work. If you're making subsequent attacks, you've almost always got your target stuck in one place or right in front of you. TERA is not a game where people run around shooting each other.

[Anonymous No.]

either try the Korean game or ask someone that plays it how the lag is handled.

You can speculate back and forth about a million things, but the fact is that unless you have a clear picture of how the systems are interacting (especially in pve) your guesses are really only considering a general case at best. Especially since most fps, Korean, and Japanese games don't consider the case of people having ~300ms at all, and just assume people will have <100ms and do minimal work.

There is no doubt that really bad lag (say 400-500+) is going to cripple the gameplay completely. PVP is also probably going to be pretty iffy. How that affects the dungeons though can be completely different.
The fact that the collision is going to be between slow wide arcs/objects and not fast impossibly small objects (bullets) only makes the situation easier to handle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136190
>Especially since most fps, Korean, and Japanese games don't consider the case of people having ~300ms at all, and just assume people will have <100ms and do minimal work.

And if they do that I can guarantee TERA will flop like Aion did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136244
I can agree with that, especially if it is lacking in other areas. I also don't know what their break even point per server and capacity is.
Aion didn't flop because of lag though, so it is pretty deceptive to bring that up. It flopped because of a combination of race imbalance, pvp class imbalance, lack of content, and lolprogressisrandom bullshit, which is far worse. There are people who will stay if lag is biggest problem by far.

Anyway, the game isn't in a state that would considered 'acceptable' by the western MMO market, so I highly doubt they are going to be rushing the game out. More likely the Korean version will milk the people who bought accounts for awhile, and just terminate them all if the western version brings it up or if they cause problems to the community.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.tera-online.com/content/tera-onlinecom-races-elin
>The Races section on TERA-Online.com has been updated with the elin race page

[Mir Teiwaz Artonelico !Mir0hpNNP. No.]

So wait... to get around possible problems related to EU laws and Elin looking like little girls, they made them look like small, fat rednecks, that look even more like children?

...no, I'm not going to try and make any sense of this...
I just hope they just took a really bad pic for the race page.

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

The censorship on the Elin isn't as bad as people were thinking. There is a large chance that revealing armor will pop up down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

Was there suppose to be more to this page?

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>7133112

-Demon/dragon thingie with notably less demonic looking female.
-Recycled galka.
-Combat poledancer, combat bikini 1.
-FFXII hair.
-Combat bikini 2.
-That other guy from Twilight.
-Combat bikini 3.
-WoW anno 2007.
-Anthropomorphic animal race with human female.

Someone got paid to design this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136831
dat face

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136831

Fuck this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136891
>>7136867

That face. It's as if they are trying to make the Elin more 3D and less 2D like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136831
nope

[Anonymous No.]

>>7137057
The face is nothing new, they just chose one of the worst representations possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3bNsQ_dD8A

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136831
Order cancelled.

You fucked up.

[Anomynous No.]

>>7137090
Well, bye.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7136831
pre-order canceled and reporting thread

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way i can play this game now?

[Anomynous No.]

>>7137219
Get a Korean SSN and Phone Number.
Sign up for the Korean version.

[PRINNY !nLFbzB/0pw No.]

>>7137057
I hardly even looked at the face I was looking at the thighs But I hope that the customization has better looking faces than what has been shown...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7137090
http://tera-online.cc/uploads/gallery/main/69/popori_f_l10.jpg
They're using this model. Too lazy to upload it directly as I'm off to fap now.

[Anonymous of Croatia !na1byG1GU. No.]

I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about ping I'm going to list examples.

>Call of Duty 4
Semi auto mouse shooting trick, ping shooting to the scroll wheel make it sensitive as fuck you can shoot bullets faster then a machine gun can. How man you can shoot depends on your ping. Maybe it has to do with packets not ping but the higher the ping the slower you shoot it's obviously visible.

>Ragnarok Online
Full of no superlow cooldown skills like double strafe where the lower the ping the more you could shoot per second. If you were an EU player and played on a US server, you'd visibly see he US guys could spam DS and other skills a lot faster then you could. Also that trick with rotating the character by binding the rotation commands on smile shortcuts too was affected by this, I could make 2 spins in a second using my Logitech G15 macro on a EU server compared to not even one on a US server.

So there are the examples I know off.

The bigest problem I see with the game is you will dodge shit too late, you will miss moving shit because the attack input arrives too late it's just like playing a FPS on 200+ ping. If you're some sort of "pro" player or tourney fag forget about playing it on other continents.

I know in my days of Call of Duty 2 clan playing days I refused to play on 100ms servers, and clanwars were not played until both sides had below 100 ms ping on a server.

[Anonymous No.]

You can see that in the pic her face seems incredibly derpy, but trust you, it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

Guess I'll reach out to my extended family in Korea that I never bothered connecting with just to try this game out. Priorities, fuck yea

[Anonymous No.]

I BUTTASS when I play TERA Online