just read it. thoughts?

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Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:41:52 2011 No.7092220 [Reply] [Original]

just read it. thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:45:52 2011 No.7092232 Reported.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:48:52 2011 No.7092241 Thought the whole "massive earthquake ending all life in Japan" sounded a bit fake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 18:52:52 2011 No.7092266 >>7092241 The idea of a Takuma currently raping and setting fire across japan right now warms my heart for some reason.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:23:52 2011 No.7092386

Golden at moments (Takuma's introspection, Tanomura in general, that nameless businessman dude that gets posted so often), but the ending went out of control Junji Ito style (with none of his badassery), which pretty much ruined it for me. It was mostly good until the first cops showed up, afterwards it's all downhill. The whole lol holy order thing posed a good moral dilemma, but had no place in that story.
The "good" ending felt kinda lukewarm compared to what happened in the alternate one. It just feels bad disregarding such huge twists (and not concluding some, like Takuma) and giving a "DAIJOBU LOL" ending instead.
Aroe's death was great, unlike the events before it

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:25:52 2011 No.7092401 >>7092386 I thought the normal ending was the best part of the game by far personally. Been years since I read it though

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:38:52 2011 No.7092451

>>7092401
It's not unimaginable that you liked it.
It's not idiotic by itself, but it completely took away the tragic atmosphere (that dominated before Takuma's adventures took place), at least for me.
Maybe I'm just mad because I identified with Takuma too much, and then got scared when he turned into a monster. But still, Tsukasa going Guts-mode and everything falling apart was just too unrealistic for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:44:52 2011 No.7092475 I had a hard time reading through the rape scene in the normal ending. I was pretty upset. Hibari best girl.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:47:52 2011 No.7092496
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the writer did a really bad job of making Takuma unlikable, he was the only reason I kept reading after the fight with the three looters, I didn't think any of the other characters were particularly interesting

Takuma's story is a must-see, I almost cried after hearing him describe his feelings when Nozomi was being raped

tl;dr Takuma is my nigguh

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:51:52 2011 No.7092512

>>7092451
I thought the descent of Takuma into madness was one of the most interesting part of the game

>>7092496
You aren't supposed to find him unlikable in a LOOK HE IS A VILLAIN kind of way.
One of the best thing about him is that he feels terribly human and probably very relatable for most people who read games like Swan Song.
So when you see what he becomes, you of course become uncomfortable wondering if you would have done the same thing in the same circumstance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:52:52 2011 No.7092518 >>7092496 oh yeah, I thought it was cool when he raped everybody everybody seriously, everybody even the retarded girl

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:55:52 2011 No.7092530 >>7092512 >I thought the descent of Takuma into madness was one of the most interesting part of the game It was a good premise, but I didn't like the execution. >>7092496 Takuma and Nozomi are a great couple.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 19:58:52 2011 No.7092543 >>7092518 I just realized that of all the characters in the novel, he has by far the most ero scenes Aroe, Hibari, Nozomi, Yuka, and three nameless other girls

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:00:52 2011 No.7092556 File: 18 KB, 398x343, badumtiss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7092241 rimshot

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:04:52 2011 No.7092580 >>7092543 I somehow missed Aroe's. Is it in one of the bad endings?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:04:52 2011 No.7092577 File: 884 KB, 816x638, swansong2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Normal Ending > Good Ending The good ending was just incredibly fake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:06:52 2011 No.7092591 >>7092577 That kinda felt forced as well. LOL I WAS AN EVIL BITCH ALL ALONG, SUCKS TO BE YOU

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:07:52 2011 No.7092601

>>7092580

you have to choose 'act like a beast' when in the argument with Yuka

its one of the bad endings, but the h-scene in particular isn't that brutal like the one with Hibari it's actually kind of endearing he spares her life, but Tsukasa is killed by mistake by one of the members of the vigilante corps

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:11:52 2011 No.7092613 >>7092591 Not evil, just a slut. And it was obvious from the beginning. And her revelation wasn't forced at all, I thought it flowed really well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:13:52 2011 No.7092621 >>7092591 Forced, forced, can't you guys stop misusing words like this? I wonder what you think isn't forced.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:15:52 2011 No.7092635 >>7092621 Forced = What I dislike. Just regard all posters who use that word seriously as retards and carry on.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:15:52 2011 No.7092637

The only thing I didn't like about the good ending is Tanomura suddenly getting a boner for Takamura and letting him off scott free, good for Takamura, but it wasn't really believable that he could get away with trying to murder Tanomura, ordering mass rapes, murders, etcetera

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:16:52 2011 No.7092640

>>7092613
I said "felt", which means, that's what I got out of it. I'm not denying you could have found it better.
It "flowed" well, but it was really unnecessary to the story, like most things that happened near the end. They could have made 2, better, separate VNs if they just put less content in Swon Song. Takuma's dictatorship, Yuka's confession, the entire holy order and a few other things aren't bad ideas by themselves, but certainly stray far from what the beginning offers you. I didn't like that. You can argue if it's bad or not, but you can't argue that the plot changed pretty explosively.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:17:52 2011 No.7092646 >>7092640 spoiler tags?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:17:52 2011 No.7092650 >>7092637 There are stories of parents who forgave the murderers of their own sons, and even offered them a second chance in life. Newsflash. There are some people out there who are amazing at forgiving.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:18:52 2011 No.7092651 >>7092635 >>7092621 >Forced = What I dislike. Close, but let me rephrase >Forced = What felt unnatural to the plotline Don't get butthurt over me insulting your favorite VN, I have a right to an opinion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:19:52 2011 No.7092658 >>7092646 Meh, it's not like anyone with common sense would go into a thread about something he didn't finish anyway.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:21:52 2011 No.7092667

>>7092640
How is putting the finishing touches on the characterization of the fucking main heroine in a character driven game "unnecessary"?

And of course the plot changed "explosively", the whole situation was basically like having a bomb ready to blow off at any moment.
Most people are much weaker than you think, people like Tanomura are a big exception, the situation deteriorating like this is very easy to understand.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:25:10 2011 No.7092681 [DELETED]

>>7092658
Can't you imagine a situation like this:

Oh boy, time to browse /jp/ for a bit and then I will read this VN I just downloaded / am playing.
Okay, now let's scroll down a bit and- <your spoilers here in the last 5 replies>.

People end up reading without realizing about it. Be considerate.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:25:52 2011 No.7092679
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>>7092650

this isn't crashing his father's pickup into a telephone pole mass rape and murder, framing Tanomura for murder, trying to kill him, and driving him out of the school, this isn't including all of the shit he would of GONE ON to do if he hadn't been captured

nobody in the real world gets away with that

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:27:52 2011 No.7092693

>>7092667
>How is putting the finishing touches on the characterization of the fucking main heroine in a character driven game "unnecessary"
She barely got any discernible characterization before that. The childhood part was pretty good, but her confession sounded like something they'd put in their extra, to make the "tragic" ending even shittier for Tsukasa (who doesn't seem to give a fuck, anyway).
>the situation deteriorating like this is very easy to understand.
I'm not denying that, it's not hard to understand what happened. It's the execution that irked me. Compared to great writing at some parts, it really stood out. The free-for-all riddled with convenient catastrophes isn't particularly good, writing-wise.
I may be trying to get across something that you can't really understand with the few arguments I'm providing. Don't bother going into further discussion if you can't get into my line of thought, for your own sake.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:27:52 2011 No.7092691 >>7092679 not to mention 'forgiveness' is not the same thing as 'justice'

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:30:52 2011 No.7092711

>>7092679
Tanomura lost his family. He's pretty insane, it's not impossible for him to forgive the unforgivable.
>>7092681
>be considerate
This is not the general /jp/ tone, don't make me stand out. My post wasn't that spoiling anyway, if you aren't familiar with the names or the story.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:35:52 2011 No.7092748

>>7092693
Yuuka got a fucking lot characterization, and a lot of her confession was easily predictable in hindsight.
You must have really missed it, seriously.

And I'm not saying I don't understand some of your claims but I really think you have some really wrong expectations of fictions in general.
Even the greatest classic can be seen as "forced" or having "convenient" development.
Personally due to the way it was written and composed I saw Swan Song as a story made like an opera . The progression of the story, the deterioration of the situation, and the final "swan song", it really felt like it followed most of the codes and I really appreciated it.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:38:52 2011 No.7092754
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>>7092711

hey guys I know I conspired to kill thousands of Americans and I personally ordered my men to kill hundreds of Americans and thousands more in the conflicts that followed but I DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:39:52 2011 No.7092760 File: 26 KB, 594x396, lol2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7092754 Osama-kun, your so tsundere, we can't stay mad at you~!

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:43:52 2011 No.7092767 >>7092711 The general /jp/ tone is you should use spoilers only /a//v/ shitposters like yourself think it's alright to run around posting all the spoilers you want without using spoilers.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:44:52 2011 No.7092772
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>>7092748
>Yuuka got a fucking lot characterization
I probably missed it, it's possible. But it still feels like a cherry on top of the cake of misery, added there just for cosmetics. But I guess some people love cherries.

>wrong expectations of fictions in general
High expectations aren't necessarily wrong. I want to enjoy what I read as much as I can, not partially.

>Even the greatest classic can be seen as "forced" or having "convenient" development
Often less obvious or overdone, but that depends on the definition of classic, anyway. I don't remember SnU having deus ex machinas (excluding the fighting). And that's just VN territory, let's not go into literature.

>Personally due to the way it was written and composed I saw Swan Song as a story made like an opera
Whelp, you got me, I hate opera

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:45:52 2011 No.7092775 >>7092754 Those were americans so we are not even mad or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:46:52 2011 No.7092781 >>7092767 What was spoiled, anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:46:52 2011 No.7092783 >>7092754 >>7092760 >>7092775 >>>/int/

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:46:52 2011 No.7092784 >>7092772 >I don't remember SnU having deus ex machinas (excluding the fighting SnU barely had characters and was really streamlined, it was just much simpler in design.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:47:52 2011 No.7092788 File: 88 KB, 478x360, 1298159247286.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7092775 > implying 4chan /jp/ isn't made up entirely of lonely, overweight Americans

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:51:52 2011 No.7092799 >>7092788 Everyone knows /jp/ consists entirely of Icelandic little lesbian girls.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:51:52 2011 No.7092801 >>7092784 I'd appreciate SS more if it wasn't complicated for the purpose of being bloated and longer. SnU's just an example for deus ex machina, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 20:58:52 2011 No.7092832 >>7092801 SS, complicated? I don't even understand your complains anymore.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:06:52 2011 No.7092854

>>7092832
It's probably not the right word(at least not without a context), but I don't want to bother arguing with you people, who are that much emotionally involved with what we're discussing.
DISREGARD THAT, SWAN SONG IS PERFECT AND HAS NO FLAWS WHATSOEVER

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:08:52 2011 No.7092862 Goddamn, why is /jp/ so fucking horrible these days?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:09:52 2011 No.7092863 >>7092862 Personally, I blame you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:10:52 2011 No.7092866 >>7092862 Because 4chan is horrible. You knew this day would come.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:10:52 2011 No.7092867 >>7092862 Being a passive-aggressive cunt rarely helps

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:11:52 2011 No.7092872

>>7092854
Stop being so butthurt, Swan Song isn't even close to being one of my favorite eroge, heck last time I read it was about 3-4 years ago.
And you should stop being so condescending with your "you people" or "emotionally involved", it felt like you believe your opinion alone is some sort of objective pov and that others who don't agree are just being emotionally manipulated.
That would be a good joke.

Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:16:52 2011 No.7092879

>>7092872
>Stop being so butthurt
Projection
>Swan Song isn't even close to being one of my favorite eroge
No one cares
>heck last time I read it was about 3-4 years ago.
Take off your nostalgiagoggles
>it felt like you believe your opinion alone is some sort of objective pov and that others who don't agree are just being emotionally manipulated
See, what you feel doesn't have to be the same as what I feel, because I don't feel like that at all. Use that logic on most above posts and be in peace.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:20:52 2011 No.7092890 There are really some pretty horrible posters in /jp/, probably the reason why all discussions that aren't about Umineko die so quickly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 13 21:27:52 2011 No.7092915 The first half or so was really good, then it kept getting shittier and shittier, to the point where I just wanted the game to be over and wasn't moved at all by the ending, despite how badly it wanted me to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 14 03:35:52 2011 No.7094379 And that's why you guys don't deserve anything to be translated.

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