/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

A lot of people are wondering what's going to happen in Japan in the upcoming days and weeks; damaged nuclear reactors and aftershocks are bound to keep a rational person on their toes.

The main problem, however, as I see it, is the Japanese government. History has shown us that governments are incompetent and inefficient. My point is this: why not let the market sort out this mess? Market forces are what make the world turn round. Businesses, made up of passionate entrepreneurs, will undoubtedly provide Japan with the solutions it needs; why would the Japanese want a bunch of career politicians and jaded bureaucrats to take care of such an important problem?

Governments always justify their actions with reference to the 'common good' or 'helping the disadvantaged', but we all know -- and let's be honest -- that this is always an excuse; government just wants to put its nose where its not wanted and control people's lives. To the people of the affected areas (and my heart does go out to them), I say, what would you prefer: control over your own destiny, or a fat cat politician from Tokyo telling you what to do? No doubt, the majority would prefer to make a choice about who provides the relief effort, containment of a possible nuclear accident, and rebuilding of the damaged areas. By forcing itself upon the Japanese people, the government is taking away their freedom of choice.

[Anonymous No.]

And besides, in a hypothetical situation where affected individuals want the government to help them: why should the rest of the Japanese foot the bill for the bad decisions of others? Those affected knew there was a nuclear reactor nearby; they knew that Japan was situation near a fault line; they knew all the risks, they took them, and now things have gone wrong. That's a shame, sure, but when you take a risk you have to accept the consequences, not go cap in hand to the government to bail you out (like the banks). It's downright immoral to force tax-paying, hard-working, regular Japanese folks to pay for the relief effort of people who refuse to take responsibility for themselves; why should people be coerced into paying for the results of risks they did not take? Why should government be given free reign to bully people like this?

Still, that is a hypothetical scenario. The Japanese are an upstanding people with an entrepreneurial spirit who will no doubt fight tooth and nail to get the government off their backs, out of their towns and away from their nuclear facilities.

[Anonymous No.]

Get the fuck out of here.

[Anonymous No.]

Take your shitty flawed political views out of here.

[Anonymous No.]

They will be fine in a month. And Japanese Earthquakes are not Otaku Culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090352
Elaborate, please

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck are you posting this here, you fucking cunt. God.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck off, scumbag.

[Anonymous No.]

Agreed OP.
The free market will fix it.

[Anonymous No.]

OP, what you're saying sounds interesting, but for some reason I want able to fully read through what you posted. :(
Could you bullet point it for me?

[Anonymous No.]

lol randroids

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090373
> :(

Out, and take OP with you.

[Anonymous No.]

...so, anybody have a link to pull out some info about what's happening?

[Anonymous No.]

Moral people want to help their neighbors survive and be happy as they would like their neighbors to do for them, I know you'd love to have a society in which no one cares about each other unless immediate personal profit is involved, but some people aren't pieces of shit like you.

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking Japan, stop having these problems. Just keep pumping out your stuff.

If someone like ZUN ends up dead, I'm not standing for it. I'll cancel my Japan account and play Korea instead.

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>>7090381
There are these things, right, called news websites. You should try checking one out. I hear there are quite a few of them on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

Corporations and businesses are not and have never been altruistic beings. They are mechanistic, highly specialized hierarchical institutions designed to expand and maximize profit.
Individuals within these structures may be the nicest people in the world, but the "market" has never been a vehicle intended to exercise their best qualities. Far to the contrary, I'm afraid.

If you want to see how the "market" "fixes" a country, look at Haiti. That's a country whose government and public sector has been repeatedly attacked and undermined by foreign "markets".

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>>7090381
watch the TV, it's not that hard

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>>7090383
It's actually about profit in the end even for those good-hearted folks. It's just true that if more people survive society can be rebuilt faster, as long as they, as much as you, take delight in helping others.

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>>7090398
TV? Haven't watched that in years. Do I even have one anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

Ayn Rand was a Jewish whore and the soviets should have finished her off when they had the chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090383
Quit your pathetic, hypocritical moralising. You aren't fooling anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

Letting businesses handle problems that a government should usually tend to is sadly a common practice and has lead to the worst problems everywhere so far.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, I'll be honest, I stopped reading and started posting midway through that. Because ya know what? You're wrong.

The sane investor does not look at Japan right now and say, "wow, that crisis is an opportunity!" unless he's running a scam. With worries of radioactivity, 10% of the population without power, people now homeless and without property, free market forces, which rely on people HAVING STUFF to work, won't do jack shit.

If you wanna sell bottles of water at $20 a pop, yeah, you might actually make a lotta money in Japan right now in the right area. You'd also be an asshole. And you'd also be doing no real good for their economy, just yours.

...If you're trolling, 10/10. I'm raging.

[Anonymous No.]

A bad politician/government is a terrible thing, but there is no such thing as a good business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090394
Impossible.
Haiti is run by black people.
There's your problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090345
>The Japanese are an upstanding people
>confirmed reports of people posing as government officials or journalists to be let in and raping women

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090399

Actually, yeah, that's true, it's for profit. It's best to cooperate and help each other in a way that is mutually beneficial rather than parasitic. Mutual support makes the whole stronger, parasites kill their own food source.

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>>7090420
You've dodged the issue entirely. The issue here is who would do a better job, and who gets to decide who would do a better job, of taking care of the disaster aftermath. On the one hand you have businesses full of experts, and on the other, distant bureaucracies. The former have a profit motive and high expectations for their career; the latter, a mild public service ethic that seems to grow weaker and weaker by the year. In this scenario, the choice of primary disaster relief provider is by no means a clear one, and should be left up to the affected populations to choose. There is also a wider issue involving the morality of coercing the unaffected population to pay for the risks taken by those who live in dangerous areas -- why should they be punished for choosing to live in a less disaster-prone area of Japan?

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>>7090420

>The sane investor does not look at Japan right now and say, "wow, that crisis is an opportunity!"

sou nan dess kar

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090394
Also remember that these foreign "markets" are highly subsidized and protected by their respective governments. There is basically no such thing as a functioning "free market" economy in the real world. It's one of the biggest unchallenged myths in the American ideology, much bigger than creationism.

[Anonymous No.]

A libertarian took a shit on my floor and told me the market would fix it.

Pic related, it's a typical libertarian.

[Anonymous No.]

Libertarianism is a mental disorder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090462
When the Kobe earthquake hit the government took forever to deploy the self-defense forces to assist the area. The first group that helped distribute water and rations to survivors was the Yamaguchi-gumi, the biggest, most violent yakuza organization in the country.
If the yakuza are protecting the people, than should the government be subsidizing them and giving them equipment and hiring contracts (legally I mean)?

This time around the self-defense force arrived on the scene right away. As far as I can tell they're doing the best they can.
I'd rather see a big public organization under civilian control like the JSDF given the power to deal with stuff like this, even if it means bureaucracy to go with it, than an opaque, closed off world like the Yamaguchi-gumi or another private corporation (structurally they're virtually the same, minus the violent in-fighting.

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>>7090520
>If the yakuza are protecting the people
They aren't doing it to be nice, it's a mixture of a public relations campaign and a way to get people to owe them favors.

Like in WWII, in the US the mafia would refuse to back up the unions that would hurt war production.

[Anonymous No.]

Fine whatever, I'll help people for free while you help them for profit.
I'll undercut all your business and others will join me, suck it.

[Anonymous No.]

Aw hell yeah, always glad to see another market anarchist fighting the good fight.

But even sol, this shit is not otaku culture. Reported.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090542
NOPE! You'll be at a disadvantage in the long run because you wasted all your time and wasn't compensated for it, making you less ready next time.

That is why [capital C] Capitalism is a race to the bottom.

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>>7090345
Reported, go back to /new/. Oh wait, you can't. Try /int/, they might like threads like this.

When making a thread on /jp/ ask yourself the following: Is it 2D? Cute? Doujin? Not /a/ or /v/ related. If you answered yes to any of the aforementioned things it belongs on /jp/.

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>>7090520
>If the yakuza are protecting the people, than should the government be subsidizing them and giving them equipment and hiring contracts (legally I mean)?

Why the flying fuck should the government be subsidizing them? The Yakuza weren't waiting around, were they?

Also, socialists(That is, every non-market anarchist) make me laugh when they assume that market anarchy=people MUST pay for X service. Hey, guess what? So-called "Internet Piracy" would not be feasibly enforceable because of the exuberant costs.

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>>7090537
That's only part of the picture, the US government repeatedly hired mafias to break up union strikes and intimidate leaders, both in Italy and in Japan, never mind domestically.

That says more about the way the US system deals with unions in the defense of "markets" than anything else, if you ask me. And how much the "markets" are closely tied to governments (legal violence) and strangely and less well published, underground corporations (the mafia - illegal violence).

[Anonymous No.]

>why not let the market sort out this mess?

Uncontrolled markets never last.

That said I wonder how the Yen is doing. Now might be the time for me to finally start importing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090572
But it isn't "Not /a/ or /v/ related". Bumping because of your inability to just hide threads and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090572

>If you answered yes to any of the aforementioned things it belongs on /jp/.
>yes to any of the aforementioned things it
>any

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090520
If the Yakuza can provide a service to customers, faster and more efficiently than central government, then what does that tell you about the state? The government is sluggish because it has no profit motive or aspirations as an institution -- it already has a monopoly on power and a financial base that no corporation could even dream of.

You have raised an important point, though. The Yakuza provided fast, efficient and effective relief for those at Kobe, but the Yakuza deals with drugs, gambling and prostitution, meaning any relief effort was assembled and put into action on a purely ad-hoc basis. With good organisation and a profit motive, they provided better than a state institution that plans and prepares endlessly for these sorts of event. The point is, if the Yakuza can do that much, imagine what a fit-for-purpose, legitimate business could provide. It would have the planning and preparation of government, with the efficiency and motivation of the Yakuza. The relief efforts would far outstrip anything seen then or now with these recent disasters.

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>>7090575
I don't really get what you're getting at.
But the internet is a good example of a service that a market could never produce on its own.

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>>7090580
>Truly uncontrolled markets have never existed

Fixed. There are plenty of "lawbreaking" ones like TPB, or the good ol black market.

[Anonymous No.]

The tsunami was caused by the global warming

[Anonymous No.]

Genuine libertarian here;
OP actually made me chuckle. But lets get something straight, when you're talking about no government at all, you're talking about anarchism.
When you're talking about a government that plays no role in managing the economy, you're talking about Ayn Randian libertarianism (still a bit wacky imo).

I personally go with Milton Friedman. As he put it, there are things which it is desirable for government to take care of. Disaster relief happens to be one of them.

At the moment OP is doing the same as calling all socialists Stalinist/Maoist communists who want total wealth distribution and authoritarian economic policy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090575
>socialists(That is, every non-market anarchist)

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>>7090596
Except for the fact that every innovation that has happened to the internet is a result of market forces...?

Besides, there were plenty of internet prototypes already around when the government made its move. Learn your history before making a statement like that in the future.

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>>7090572
>Japan General
>recent events not affecting Japan

Do you know where you are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090606

Thank you.

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>>7090606
You're a genuine lolbertarian all right. Milton Friedman is a piece of trash, try reading up on Rothbard.

>>7090608
Problem?

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>>7090572
>Japan General
>recent events not affecting Japan

Do you know where you are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090611
On the Touhou / Eroge culture board.

[Anonymous No.]

What will happen when the Japanese Stock Exchange opens? Or will it?

If companies/individuals begin declaring bankruptcy over this due to no insurance/under insurance/insurance company failure what happens to the yen and does it spread to other exchanges?

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>>7090611
>Japan General

Are you blind?

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>>7090345
Hahaha yes cause the free market will fix everything. Get off your ass and start reading up on what you preach. You will realise very quickly how wrong you are. You are not only conservative in a way that not even true republicans would back you, but you are insinuating that the Japanese are American.

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>>7090621
>On the Touhou / Eroge culture board.
>not Japan General

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>>7090537
That's only part of the picture, the US government repeatedly hired mafias to break up union strikes and intimidate leaders, both in Italy and in Japan, never mind domestically.

That says more about the way the US system deals with unions in the defense of "markets" than anything else, if you ask me. And how much the "markets" are closely tied to governments (legal violence) and strangely and less well published, underground corporations (the mafia - illegal violence).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090614
>Murray Rothbard
>nutso anarchist who thought private companies should provide security, defense and justice

Sorry, but those are exactly the things that I believe ought to be left to a government.
If that's the sort of society you want to live in though, and those are your political beliefs, that's fine by me. We still agree on 90% of things (if you ARE a libertarian) than most other people's political views.
But it would be nice if you didn't treat anyone with different political views like a retard or an idiot. Even Democrats and Republicans can be smart.

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>>7090611
On the Touhou / Eroge culture board.

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>>7090412
Hahaha yes cause the free market will fix everything. Get off your ass and start reading up on what you preach.

>>7090344
You will realise very quickly how wrong you are. You are not only conservative in a way that not even true republicans would back you, but you are insinuating that the Japanese are American.

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>>7090642
>>7090621
>>7090611
>>7090619

Please stop.
This isn't Japan General.

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>>7090638
I never said socialists were not smart. I merely believe that they're misguided, like you are. How much have you read up on Rothbard, anyway? Did you just get to the "Believes absolutely everything should be left to the markets" part and not explore his reasoning?

I'm just curious because I was of a similar mind merely three years ago.

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>>7090472
But it isn't "Not /a/ or /v/ related". Bumping because of your inability to just hide threads and fuck off.

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>>7090614
>Problem?
A lot of people oppose an anarchic free market economic model, but this doesn't automatically make them socialists. A fundamental part of socialism, often overlooked nowadays, is worker control of industry. NO ONE thinks this is a good idea anymore, which is why socialist parties moved to the right. The people you seem to be talking about are more accurately described as social liberals.

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>>7090592
Sounds good to me, but if you're describing a government-established independent (and for-profit) company, how is that any different from JR or US Postal?
These are companies that work pretty well despite being more or less public. JR runs on a continual deficit, it could never survive without government intervention, but its rail lines service some of the biggest and difficult stretches of terrain in the country. There are private lines that offer better rates and faster services in some parts, but only in dense metropolitan areas where it can be affordable for them to do so, and they still have to be carefully regulated for safety standards, duplicating the bureaucracy you see in the public companies.

But then again what is the JSDF then?

I think this idea of market anarchism can only function (maybe) in a very hypothetical world where everybody is exactly equal, has equal means and similar means of production, a kind of tribe - the kind of pre-industrial world Adam Smith was thinking about when he was writing about English agriculturalists. In other words: a very "communistic" setting. If you ask me, that's probably why Adam Smith could be more accurately labeled a socialist if people actually bothered to read his book.

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>>7090665
What are you talking about?
I think it's a great idea.
When was the last time any government or higher power let it happen? The few times it did happen, in revolutionary Spain and in Israel during the Kibuzim years, it worked pretty well.

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>>7090657
No, I've read up a bit. I understand that government coercion and robbery (taxes) is undesirable in all measures, but things like privatised justice, incarceration, national defense.. I've not been convinced that these would be viable in the modern world.

[Anonymous No.]

>Rothbard
Jewish
>Ayn Rand
Jewish
Are you free market guys positive you're not just going along with something that sounded right.

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>>7090428
I never said socialists were not smart. I merely believe that they're misguided, like you are. How much have you read up on Rothbard, anyway? Did you just get to the "Believes absolutely everything should be left to the markets" part and not explore his reasoning?

I'm just curious because I was of a similar mind merely three years ago.

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>>7090665
You advocate complete government control of law enforcement at the very LEAST.

How, pray tell, is this not socialism?

>>7090679
Why not? Their public counterparts aren't exactly proving the case to keep them.

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>>7090684
Take your soedgy antisemitism elsewhere, you paranoid freak.

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>>7090694
I've always thought of socialism as government ownership of the means of production. Factories, farms, mines, power-plants, fisheries.
Policing and justice is a service industry. So i'd just define it as a public-sectory service.

I see what you're getting at though.

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>>7090694
Socialist theory is an economic model, not a law enforcement model.
It's basic principle is worker control of production. It's really a moral thing. A socialist believes that a worker should be in control of what he/she does. Which is strangely enough the same thing that a Libertarian believes. Actually a very coherent and rational political stand point is "Libertarian Socialism".

The difficulty is that both terms have been warped out of their original meaning by pundits and propagandists indent on alienating the US public from any kind of meaningful political discourse. If you destroy the meaning of words, the PR industry has discovered, you can eliminate the discussion and undermine political thought. And so "libertarianism" and "socialism" which should be best friends have been somehow fashioned into mortal enemies. This is something you only get in America. Europe is much more sane about this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090708
You are right, that is what socialism is. Idiots like to take it to mean anything that they oppose though.

[Anonymous No.]

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE OTAKU IN THIS THREAD??? IS THIS THE "NEET POLITICAL DEBATE" HOUR?

FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone in this thread is reported
Take your shit to /int/

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>>7090714
>Actually a very coherent and rational political stand point is "Libertarian Socialism".
Get off of 4chan Noam, no one takes you seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090721
Reported for anime screenshot.
Go back to /a/.

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>>7090720
No, he is not right.
Socialism has nothing to do with government control of production, except in the perverted Trosky-Leninist context which then attempted to smear the word "socialism" on every diabolical program they invented.

Socialism at its inception was all about worker control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090723
Shut up I'm old.
Now listen to me mumble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090714

Hey, I already identify myself as a libertarian socialist!
But this type of discussion is really not /jp/ material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090714

"Socialism" was also later coined by the "Social democrats" and it is indeed synonyms with "Cultural Marxism" at this point.

Economic socialism isn't a very just way to get people to work for themselves again as far as I'm concerned anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

There's already too much freedom. People that commit billions of dollars worth of fraud at places like WorldCom, Enron, Tyco, RiteAid get off with a slap of the wrist. Everybody that willingly took part should be executed along with their families.

Businesses, like over-grazing, over-reproducing wild animals, are stupid and shortsighted in nature. They forego the long-term if it means raising next quarter's earnings a few dollars. Look at the hunters in 18/19th century America that drove bison and deer to near-extinction. Those animals were only saved when the government stepped in and carefully managed hunting. The same deal with modern business - they'll drive an entire country into the ground if it means a few extra bucks. Too bad those extra bucks are worthless if the country goes to shit.

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>>7090698
Hi Jew. I'm not trying to be anti septic-tank or whatever you called me. I'm just saying, don't be so fast to jump to a new ideology. The most reoccurring thing I hear from laissez faire capitalist is, "I used to think like you 3 years ago before I did research." This blissfully ignorant confidence of quote unquote, enlightenment is unscientific and ultimately self defeating. When I made the step from a theist to an atheist, I took care not to allow 'faith' to power my new understanding of evolution.

This thread doesn't belong on /jp/. 4chan in general has already proven it's not mature enough to handle politics, economics and nationalism.

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>>7090725

happy now you pisshit faggot? suck my suck

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090726
No, that's communism, where the workers own the means of production (and there is no state at all).

>>7090725
Reported for filing frivolous reports.

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>>7090726
Cool story bro but reality and history proves you wrong.
A free society can only be build upon a free-market system. Free market is not the same as corporatism or capitalism.

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http://boards.4chan.org/a/http://boards.4chan.org/b/http://boards.4chan.org/v/http://boards.4chan.or
g/int/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090736
>businesses don't play long-term, only go for profit

Tell that to Japanese Keiretsu that makes losses for years and years in order to take market share from competitors

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>>7090747
Name me one "free society" built on that principle then.
I know I can't.

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>>7090345
I have been reading, watching and hearing abount Japan since friday night. After filtering myself 90% of the content I gathered, I do believe the government are doing things slowly, but at the same time following all the procedures that a cluster of natural immense disasters dictates.
Just my two cents. And I know I'm being an hypocrite, but is true, this is not /jpolitics/ either.

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>>7090345
Find Waldo.

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>>7090737
>"When I made the step from theist to atheist"
>He didn't instinctively feel from childhood that there was no god

Haha go back to church reverend.

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>>7090756

America prior to getting a central bank.

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>>7090768
not sure if sotaiseriron

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>>7090762
>>7090766
>>7090768
Time to start another thread!

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>>7090756
Free as in you can setup your own eroge company if you want to and no fucking dickhead has the right to sabotage it because he doesn't like it.

Also, it's really ironic that all first world countries are 40%-60% state-socialist.

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>>7090767
So, before 1791?

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>>7090778
>Also, it's really ironic that all first world countries are 40%-60% state-socialist.
By your logic medieval absolutist monarchs were socialist because they have moralistic laws and burnt 'witches' at the stake.

Socialism does not mean what you think it means, and you cannot apply it to anything you don't like.

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>>7090741
Socialism as a political movement was based around workers taking over factories, mills, etc. and kicking out the bourgeois owners. Clearly, what happened in the Soviet Union was the bourgeois owners got replaced by the government, but that has little to do with ideology and more to do with what Lenin saw as protecting the revolution. There weren't marches in the streets of Europe calling for state capitalism and there never have been. It's important not to confuse ideology with what happened in reality, because they're very different. In general, state control of industry is a neutral policy instrument, not a part of any specific ideology. The British and Nazis both nationalised during WW2 -- were they attempting a transition to a worker-controlled economy?

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>>7090762
>>7090766
>>7090768
>>7090781
Reported for spam\flooding.

[Anonymous No.]

Jews did the earthquake

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>>7090747
And, of course, we have never had a free market.

Ergo, the mythical "Free society" has never existed.
>>7090736
So fucking what if a few bison species go to hell?

>There's already too much freedom. People that commit billions of dollars worth of fraud at places like WorldCom, Enron, Tyco, RiteAid get off with a slap of the wrist. Everybody that willingly took part should be executed along with their families.

The only way their frauds were exposed were via free market methods(EEEVIL SHORTSELLING), yknow.

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>>7090767
So up to 1913, before the Fed?
The economy of the US over the whole first century of its existence was one of the most protectionist the world had yet seen. Its wealth was entirely built by careful tariffs enabling it to monopolize and export a series of highly valuable cash crops to Europe - mainly Tobacco and Cotton.

England and France were only able to pull themself away from the monopoly of American cotton when they got their hands on Egyptian cotton, largely by usury - lending massive sums to the monarchy at high interest until French (later British) companies owned all the plantations. All this of course they did calling it a "free market" .

Back to the US:
Never mind that those cash crops depended on an immense slave system - the fact that you're describing the USA in those decades alone voids the "free society" part in my book, unless you're a wealthy white land owner, but even in that case, you benefit from all those government tariffs and protections, don't you? So it's scarcely a "free market" either is it?

[Anonymous No.]

Markets are artificial, manipulated systems, not naturalistic, self-regulating systems, so there is no state of natural equilibrium for markets to return to, so market forces cannot correct themselves or anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090809
HAARP and UVB-76 did 9/11 and Haiti earthquake.
100% undeniable truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090823
Read up on the Austrian Business Cycle Theory before making assertions like this.

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>>7090778

No irony found and that's quite impossible as America is literally the ONLY first world nation.

I'm assuming that you're implying that "predatory pricing" was a common practice or even worked out most of the time which is laughable. The fact of the matter is little would be stopping them from doing similar practices today, but it'd be completely unnecessary as government is sanctioning oligopolies already through things like licensing associations and corporate welfare.

Do you honestly think wall street would look anything like it does now if they didn't have the government to bail them or squash competition? Do you honestly think you'd some how be lessening a corporations influence on people by giving a government more power? The same government who props them up at your expense?

[Anonymous No.]

Mb it's well know already, but rediation leakage was confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, listen to me for a moment, a'ight? I don't care if it's not related to this thread. Just listen!
Yesterday, I went over to Yoshinoya for a simple meal. Yes, THAT beef bowl house, Yoshinoya.
But the whole restaurant was so crowded, I couldn't even find a seat for hours!
Then I saw a poster that said "Special offer! 150 yen discount".
I thought to myself... geez, that's so fucking amazing. You guys don't even normally visit Yoshinoya.
All you bastards came here just for that stupid-assed 150 yen discount.
Just for that 150 yen. ONE FREAKIN' FIFTY YEN!!
Then I saw some parents & children. A family of four eating out at Yoshinoya. Damn, so much for that bitch's home-cooked

family feast.
Then one of the little brats said "Daddy's gonna order a large beef bowl".
I couldn't believe it! Uuuuuggh, are you out of your fucking mind!?
Shiiit, i'll pay you 150 yen just to move your stanky fat-ass out of a seat.
Dude, you just don't go to Yoshinoya for that lala-oh-i'm-so-happy dinner bullshit.
It's where you pick a fist-fight with the fucking guy sitting across 'yah in that U-shaped table.
Kill or be killed. Heh... now that's the kinda shit I like.
Ladies, kids, stand back... 'cuz everything's gonna get FUCKED UP NOW.
After waiting for ages, I finally found an empty seat. But then, the guy next to me ordered by saying "A large beef bowl

with a LOTTA' gravy".
Dude, that just pissed me off even more. Shit, you just don't say "lotta' gravy" nowadays, ya' freaking bastard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090762

Thank you very much, King Habsburg. Anything you might want to add to that?

[Anonymous No.]

>America is literally the ONLY first world nation.
wat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090852
How the fuck can you say "lotta' gravy" with that "oh, i'm so fucking cool, hur-hur-hur..." look!?!?
Damn, I was THIS CLOSE to standing in front of his face and yelling "DO YOU EVEN LIKE EATING THAT MUCH FUCKIN' GRAVY!?"
For a freaking hour, I was THIS CLOSE to doing that.
Shit, I bet you just wanted to use the words "lotta' gravy" out loud. Wow, you're so clever.
Dude, you gotta be like ME. See, now I know what's "all that" in Yoshinoya.
What's cool right now to say is "Negi-daku". That's it!
You see now, a large beef bowl with a lotta onions & an egg is what the hardcore Yoshinoya freaks eat. Like ME.
Saying "Negi-daku" means that you get less meat, but they put a WHOLE MESS of onions.
Mmmmm... a large beef bowl with onions & an egg, now THAT'S what I call a meal.
But anywhoo... ordering that is kinda' like a double-edged sword. Cuz' then the waiters might notice you the next time you

come by.
So yeah, I can't reccomend this to noobs.
For you, just go order a beef and salmon combo. That's as far as you can go, you know what i'm sayin'?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090841
>Austrian Business Cycle Theory
Total bullshit that has no real world relevance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090847
>No irony found and that's quite impossible as America is literally the ONLY first world nation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090855

Learn what that means.

PROTIP: it has nothing to do with how good or shitty your country is.

[Anonymous No.]

Meido please if you are here
I beg of you
Delete this thread
It is in no way related to /jp/
And the only purpose this thread will serve in the end is attract more spam to this board
And i believe this is something neither of use would want
So please meido...
Help us

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090852
>>7090858

Oh wow.
I haven't seen this in ages.
This is why I still come back to /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

free market != free trade

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090855
I believe that he is using the Cold War definition of 1st world, allied with America (as opposed to 2nd world, which was Soviet allied, and 3rd world, which was unaffiliated) and is playing off the idea that the world hates America now, thus no country is first world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090860
Niice attack there bro, mind elaborating on your denial before saying things like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>America is literally the ONLY first world nation
:V

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090841

Psssh, the Austrian School? Nigga, you be trippan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090863
If you want to see meido, spam CP. That's literally the only way our fucking shitty mod give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090345
>>7090348

Bullshit. The members of the so-called free market also want to control people's lives. In fact, practically everyone wants to control everyone else's lives. So? Nothing new under the sun. The government is there to act as a check on the free market, and the free market is there to check the government. Remove either one and your country fails

Oh yeah, and I prefer my transportation to be subsidized by my taxes. Thank you for noticing

[Anonymous No.]

Flawed vision of the world is flawed

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090409
Ayn Rand was Jewish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090872
>Remove either one and your country fails

Except for the fact that there has never been a free market. But even pockets of elements of free markets(Like the Mafia and Yakuza) have shown they are -far superior- at keeping the peace than dribbling cops.

>>7090870
How so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090869
>>7090861
>>7090855

Alright, after looking it up I was mistaken. but it still has nothing to do with how good or shitty a country is and most of Europe doesn't fall under first world

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090866
I didn't want to think that, because it's so outrageous, but I guess it's the only thing you can draw from what he said

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>Japan are xenophobes and dicks to everyone outside their country
>Ask all of them for help

you slants deserve everything that's happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090863
If you delete it now, when several people are following, at least 3 of them will take it upon themselves to make another thread.

And fuck the janitor, that fucking idiot wouldn't know a good thread if he started it. He frequently deletes 3 pages of mediocre threads and leaves 10 pages of shitty ones. Not to mention /b/ raids that never get deleted while he is busy deleting shit. At least this one isn't a Pearl Harbor one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090878
About half of Europe is first world and the other half is catching up fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090872

>The members of the so-called free market also want to control people's lives.

It's almost like we should have decentralized states so they can run themselves without imposing their ideology on other states, kind of like some kind of confederacy or something!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090847
Did I say that? Socialist do preach that though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090877
>But even pockets of elements of free markets(Like the Mafia and Yakuza) have shown they are -far superior- at keeping the peace than dribbling cops.
The fucking Mafia is a peacekeeping organisation now? Oh Internet, you never disappoint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090877
>But even pockets of elements of free markets(Like the Mafia and Yakuza) have shown they are -far superior- at keeping the peace than dribbling cops

By pointing guns at people and murdering offenders? Oh yeah, not to mention shooting innocent bystanders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090814

>So fucking what if a few bison species go to hell?

Yes let's wipe out an entire species of animals just so I can get a cool new decoration!

>The only way their frauds were exposed were via free market methods(EEEVIL SHORTSELLING), yknow.

If it weren't for (government mandated!) financial reporting, they might have been able to continue for a while longer.

In the case of WorldCom, it was a team of heroic auditors that worked in secret to uncover the frauds and blow the whistle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090877
>But even pockets of elements of free markets(Like the Mafia and Yakuza) have shown they are -far superior- at keeping the peace than dribbling cops.
Just like the gangs that control Somalia have kept it a peaceful utopia? Just like the Mexican drug cartels have been improving Mexico?

Surely you are trolling...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090889
And become victims to several forms of warfare from stronger & bigger political collectives. Small states are weak and easy prey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090892
Indeed it is! Try reading up on your history.
>>7090893
>By pointing guns at people and murdering offenders? Oh yeah, not to mention shooting innocent bystanders.

Sounds like your average law enforcement officer.
>If it weren't for (government mandated!) financial reporting, they might have been able to continue for a while longer.

You didn't bother to read what you quoted at all, did you?
>>7090900
Somalia has been doing better than most African shitholes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090909
The fuck are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

World Nuclear News has more information on the situation at the Onagawa nuclear power plant: It says a "technical emergency" was declared at 1250 after radiation levels at the site reached 21 microSieverts per hour. Within just 10 minutes, however, the level had dropped to 10 microSieverts per hour, WNN adds. The plant's three reactors remain in a safe shutdown condition at below 100C and the Tohoku Electric Power Company has reported no other issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090909
8.9/10

[Anonymous No.]

How long do you suppose a sovereign government can sustain an enormous debt and keep the economy going steadily and evenly?

I call indefinite because currencies can be manipulated, new money can be created, governments can pass new laws to tackle new "crises", etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090904

We could still have an organized military, kind of like the EU. And there are quite a few states larger than many countries.

Americans hate each other, we've got a large population and people identify with their state far more than the country, instead of putting up with each others bull shit we should just split and that'll be the end of it.

Of course this is never going to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090909
>Somalia has been doing better than most African shitholes.
THIS IS WHAT LIBERTARIANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090919
>>7090929
What's wrong?

>>7090930
America is already headed straight to hell. Of course, Rome didn't fall in a day, etc. I'd give it another 50 years altogether.
>>7090935
Son, I never said Somalia was a paradise, or even anywhere near the criteria for true market anarchy. But again, Africa is a shithole altogether, don't you know that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090930
By the way, I think Ancient Rome kept its deficit act going for several centuries before falling to the barbarians (who migrated in a stampede and caused trouble of their own, explaining why Rome fell -the Roman deficit and debt had nothing to do with it).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090930

Yeah just print dat money I'm sure nothing bad will happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090943
I don't necessarily mean printing that much money that quickly!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090942
What you think you know and what you actually know are two very different things.

Please don't make a fool of yourself like >>7090878 did.

[Anonymous No.]

OP, you are literally evil.

[Anonymous No.]

The tsunami is almost beautiful. It's like washing away society.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090951
o btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090935

It's true, it's far better with war lords than it was when it actually had a government It's still not anarchy or libertarianism though, and it's not like it matters, a slightly better nigger shithole is still a nigger shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090943
>Robert Mugabe
>fucked up economy with hyperinflation
>still helping to run Zimbabwe's government
>Yes, Zimbabwe is still around

[Anonymous No.]

after all, the dreaded anonymous isn't a selfish conformist that can't see past the rules of society. but he still have hard times thinking out of the box. you all have to go over the concept of status quo and morality. a change in world politics and mostly in the education of the society's priorities is needed in order to survive as a specie in the long run. the actual consumist-wise run to the resources and market gain is wrong just because it's a exponential growth system closed in a much bigger renewal-cycle system. this road can bring humanity to misery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090930
Really?
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_function

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090955

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090950

How did I make a fool out myself? By misinterpreting terms that I thought hadn't changed since the cold war? It's nice how you didn't even attempt to tackle my argument.

[Anonymous No.]

You kids are all small time, let me show you how its done

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090964

>The main cause of hyperinflation is a massive and rapid increase in the amount of money (including bank credit, deposits, and currency) that is not supported by a corresponding growth in the output of goods and services.

So.... does a government that doesn't want to pay debt have to actually pay a debt? While it may have laws saying yes, it often has the ability to weasel around those laws and do tricks such as Quantitative Easing (buying up its own debt so it is its own creditor), and, of course, printing money. So long as the economy has excess capacity, it shouldn't be a problem. Inflation becomes an issue when excess capacity is reached, such as, say, us banging into Peak Oil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090345
neocapitalist pigs?
on my /jp/?
now Ive seen it all

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>7091001
Is it wrong to want to molest Cirno?

Hey libertarians, if you ran a country, would fucking 2d characters be legal?

Under socialism, would I have to share my Waifu with the community?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090987
There was no need to, since we essentially agreed on every point aside from that. Haven't you been keeping track of my posts?
>>7091005
Even those measures have a limit. Rome decayed and burned, the barbarians simply picked at the ruins.
>>7091016
>Running a country
Why would there be a need to do that? You could live the hikkomori experience and not have to give a shit about paying taxes, even through proxies like your parents!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091005
>gas prices hurr durr

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091024
Mainly because the Barbarians were sneakier than the Romans.

[Anonymous No.]

For those uneducated people that doesn't know what government's sole purpose is in societies.....They conduct human behavior....nothing more nothing less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091035
No, because Rome was already gone. Again, please read up on your history instead of assuming Rome was able to survive those destructive practices. It's quite blatantly false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091038
So do free-market actors.

Free market worshippers promote the free market without much rationalizing and explanation of why they think it's superior to government. They take free market superiority as a basic assumption and wrap the rest of their arguments around it, ultimately coming to conclude that the free market is superior, resulting in a circular argument smacking of the "proofs" of the existence of God and correctness of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091039
Ah, but Rome was gone in the first place because the Barbarians were sneakier than the Romans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091038

Actually they're the monopoly on force, that's all a state is and only a masochist or someone with Stockholm syndrome would want one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091060
Nice argument by assertion there. I have already mentioned multiple instances of free markets and pseudo free market activities picking up the government's slack(Yakuza and fraudulent companies getting busted by short selling) and you just stick your fingers in your ears and insist that didn't happen? Such a shame...
>>7091071
No, it's because they were not able to continue it "For centuries" like you originally stated. Please stop clinging to that notion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091071
>barbarian immigration into Roman Empire
>potential barbarian support of other barbarians
>barbarian-member-of-Roman-army fail
>poorly designed political structure of Roman empire centered around authoritarian leaders with no clear method of succession

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091039
The problems with the Roman money didn't necessarily have to lead to collapse. The Byzantine Empire was using Roman currency until long after the sack of Rome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091060

Well we could do things in moderation here, is it really too much to ask to cut back on all the fucking permits, fees, and other shit you need to start a business? Efficiency isn't the devil, kids starting a lemonade stand aren't going to start shitting in your drink if the government doesn't step in.

[Anonymous No.]

And now apparently a volcano is erupting?

Tenshi, Murasa, Okuu, and Mokou: WHY DO YOU HATE GLORIOUS NIPPON SO BADLY

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091099
The history of Roman currencies suggests otherwise.

Early Republic Values[4] (after 211 B.C.) Denarius Sestertius Dupondius As Semis Triens Quadrans Quincunx
Denarius 1 4 5 10 20 30 40 24
Sestertius 1/4 1 1 1/4 2 1/2 5 7 1/2 10 6
Dupondius 1/5 4/5 1 2 4 6 8 4 4/5
As 1/10 2/5 1/2 1 2 3 4 2 2/5
Semis 1/20 1/5 1/4 1/2 1 1 1/2 2 1 1/5
Triens 1/30 2/15 1/6 1/3 2/3 1 1 1/3 4/5
Quadrans 1/40 1/10 1/8 1/4 1/2 3/4 1 3/5
Quincunx 1/24 1/6 5/24 5/12 5/6 1 1/4 1 2/3 1
Augustan Values (27 B.C. – 301 A.D.) Aureus Quinarius Aureus Denarius Quinarius Sestertius Dupondius As Semis Quadrans
Aureus 1 2 25 50 100 200 400 800 1600
Quinarius Aureus 1/2 1 12 1/2 25 50 100 200 400 800
Denarius 1/25 2/25 1 2 4 8 16 32 64
Quinarius Argenteus 1/50 1/25 1/2 1 2 4 8 16 32
Sestertius 1/100 1/50 1/4 1/2 1 2 4 8 16
Dupondius 1/200 1/100 1/8 1/4 1/2 1 2 4 8
As 1/400 1/200 1/16 1/8 1/4 1/2 1 2 4
Semis 1/800 1/400 1/32 1/16 1/8 1/4 1/2 1 2
Quadrans 1/1600 1/800 1/64 1/32 1/16 1/8 1/4 1/2 1
Diocletian Values (301 – 305 A.D.) Solidus Argenteus Nummus Radiate Laureate Denarius
Solidus 1 10 40 200 500 1000
Argenteus 1/10 1 4 20 50 100
Nummus 1/40 1/4 1 5 12 1/2 25
Radiate 1/200 1/20 1/5 1 2 1/2 5
Laureate 1/500 1/50 2/25 2/5 1 2
Denarius 1/1000 1/100 1/25 1/5 1/2 1
Late Empire Coin Values (337 – 476 A.D.) Solidus Miliarense Siliqua Follis Nummus
Solidus 1 12 24 180 7200
Miliarense 1/12 1 2 15 600
Siliqua 1/24 1/2 1 7 1/2 300
Follis 1/180 1/15 2/15 1 40
Nummus 1/7200 1/600 1/300 1/40 1

In other words, Rome kept changing its currency... due to inflation... from the early Republic to late Imperial times... a period of several centuries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091083
>Actually they're the monopoly on force, that's all a state is and only a masochist or someone with Stockholm syndrome would want one.
Who wouldn't want a single entity that is subserviant to the people to control violence? Do you want to leave justice and armies up to the market? That is a fucking stupid idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091108
I agree with you on dumping bureaucracy and stupid regulation. I just don't see the need to do away with subsidies or even government deficits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091035
Rome overstretched itself, the (western RE) city society became corrupt, nihilistic and degenerated and was incapable of changing back and fight for the 'greater good of Rome' when the Barbarian Invasions happened. When Rome had reached the point of no return, military dictators had to take over, trying to save what couldn't be saved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091122
>changing its currency
In other words, it wasn't keeping to a single currency. The US, on the other hand, is. Stop it with the ellipses.
>>7091128
> Subservient to the people

Hehe, good one.

[Anonymous No.]

Reading this thread made me realize how much I miss /new/.

;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091138
Essentially they were repeatedly redominating the currency. And as I've said, the Roman-Byzantine Empire managed to survive for many, many centuries with the abysmal policies you so describe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091138
Oh, and what >>7091137 said.

Stop acting like Rome was just fine.
>>7091142
I do too, man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091133
Governmental social programs are meant to uphold social peace within society. That's why Somalia is not a 1st world country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091137
>military dictators

Well, what do you suppose a Roman Emperor was? A military dictator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091158
Somalia is a shithole for many many reasons. It was a shithole back when they did have a functioning government and it's a shithole now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091142
Go home then faggot, and take all the /r9k/ retards with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091128

>subservient to the people

A government will never be subservient to people, ever.

Also there's more than one anon and I'm not an AnCap. I'd prefer to defend myself and let common law take the place of statuary, personally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/newnew/

[Anonymous No.]

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/co470020

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091138
Sure - America's inflation never got to the point where it needed to change the currency. But if the political environment were to change in favor of deficits being perennially acceptable instead of a political liability, America might replace the dollar.

>Japan
>yen

As for Japan, whose deficit is 200% of GDP, how come it still has the yen?

>this debt argument is really more about Japan than about the USA

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091199
>But if the political environment were to change in favor of deficits being a political liability instead of perennially acceptable, America might retain the system.
I fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.]

this post is very deep

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091209
>Tea Party
>"tax-and-spend" name calling
>deficit and government bankruptcy doomsday stories by various publishing authors
>tax revolts

hurr durr

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>200 posts and 25 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

guys..

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091179
>A government will never be subservient to people, ever.
The government is always subservient to the people, it is only obvious when they organize and overthrow the government. Sometimes they are too scared, but a tyrannical government cannot last forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091220
That's really funny coming from you.

[Anonymous No.]

Some useful news

http://www.ustwrap.info/multi/nhk-gtv::nhk-world-tv::yokosonews

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091214
yeah. Like I want to be on the Nazi Forum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091219
We've run a deficit for 29 of the last 30 years, and somehow presidents managed to retain their terms. People are bitching about the taxation more so than the debt.

[wtH !hWtHG71Z1c No.]

>>7091220
>fuck
>not hell
HELL i dont know what to do....

[Anonymous No.]

Thread reported.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091128
Actually multi-national corporations and financial institutions do control the western state monopolies of power, because otherwise the bankster bailouts wouldn't have happened.

Democracies represent interests, that is the interests of the forces with the best arguments. And because the public have always been asleep sheep, their interest don't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091209
It is a political liability, that is why republicans are so happy to run them up. They think that if we spend like crazy now, future generations will be so starved for cash that they will have to refrain from necessary spending that the conservatives think are socialism, like public education.

It's called STARVING THEN BEAST, look it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091214
/jp/ - Otaku Culture

1. All things otaku welcome!

o·ta·ku Noun (plural) /ōˈtäko͞o/

otaku plural

1. (in Japan) Young people who are highly skilled in or obsessed with computer technology to the detriment of their social skills

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091232

Let's face it, I don't see a problem with governments retaining perennial deficits. It's more of an issue of law and custom than of the actual numbers much of the time (and the rest of the time, the problem is that the rate of spending is too much too quickly; if the inflation and spending proceeded more slowly, people would be able to adjust and there wouldn't be hyperstagflation, which is what a hyperinflation turns into).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091251
>Deficits and debts are an issue in Japan.
>Japan is an otaku topic

hurr durr

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091232
Money is all about trust and once the trust is shattered then it's hair-cut time for the public which could even lead to total disintegration and civil wars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091251
Otaku is a very vague term anyways, and it can be subjective too, so arguing about the meaning of /jp/ is moot.

[Anonymous No.]

>free market
You mean the wage-slave market?

Why would they want to waste valuable time finding the dead bodies and rebuilding the homes of slaves? You're silly. So long as the workplace is in working condition, they don't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091267

If the entire issue revolves around trust, then a culture which accepts deficit spending but still trusts the money will continue to deficit spend, while a culture that decides deficits are dangerous will seek to restrain deficit spending. And what's to say that both cultures won't last a good long while, so long as they both know what they're doing?

[Anonymous No.]

What will happen when Capitalism breaks? As in, people can no longer trade their labor for money, because everything has been obsoleted by computers and robots?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091294
We'll need to switch to some form of entitlement economy. But the fiscal conservative trolls aren't going to like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091294
Capitalism cannot be broken, if people are too lazy to get other jobs, then fuck them, that is a personal failing of their own, not Capitalisms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091294
Population decline

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091298
Of course, we might be able to swap labor for money by proxy (by giving everyone ownership of a few robots).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091294
The rich will build a completely automatic self-sustaining space colony and then nuke the surface to oblivion because they don't want to dedicate any time or resources to helping others who do not have their superior qualities of "being born into success" and/or "being a sociopath with a knack for fraud and theft."

Honestly, though, the former would be more likely to help you out than the latter. The greatest weakness of capitalism has always been that it rewards those who are willing to do anything for profit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091307
Because automation happens because human laborers are too lazy to do their job, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091294
Extermination programs, population control and a new neo-feudal era lead by the power elites because such a society wouldn't be sustainable

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091334
No, it happens because they demand outrageous compensation for doing little more than a monkey can be trained to do.

See: United Auto Workers union.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>7090345

>A lot of people are wondering what's going to happen in Japan in the upcoming days and weeks;

A lot of people, meaning, not /jp/ related.

>over 100 posts.

Are you fucking serious?

Come ON.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091369
>not /jp/ related
What is /jp/ relared?

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>7091381

> relared?

I'm sorry, I don't speak Retardese. Did you mean 'related'? As for that, you might find out for yourself, if you lurked some more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091369
That's funny coming from you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091369
When Arc is complaining about the state of the board, you know you're totally fucked.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>7091390
>>7091387

>Discussion about Arcueid

And I thought /jp/ hated tripfag circlejerks. Dear, dear. We really are in top form tonight, aren't we?

[Anonymous No.]

Bump to spite the nigger tripfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091398
See, a tripfag circlejerk is a uniquely /jp/ shit thread, whereas in the last few days we've been flooded by garden-variety shit threads, so it's actually preferable.

Not really, I just like shit posting, that's all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091364
Automation happens when an automaton can do a job more reliably and (more importantly) less expensively than a person can. That's the thing, though: the amount of things automatons can do increases every day as technology develops. Eventually, we may reach a point where the only meatbags needed in a company are the puppetmaster at the top and a handful of creative people. This is where capitalism breaks: the world cannot support billions of puppetmasters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091398
I'm not discussing you. Your attempts to avoid things while bathing yourself with self-attention amuses me.

Well, now this is some kind of discussion instead of a mere comment. Feel free to post whatever, the board will remain awful until people forget about the earthquake hype.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>7091414

>Not really, I just like shit posting, that's all.

Of course you do, you're Anonymous. Speaking of which, I'd better go fill up my daily Shitpost quota before you gentlemen decide that I've gone soft. Ciao.

[Anonymous No.]

Arc started to argue with himself again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091369
Tsunamis and nuclear accidents are the precise reasons hikis exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>7090500
Michael Savage! Hi!

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>7091460

autism.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091460
No, hikkikos are the reason that tsunamis and nuclear accidents exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>7091153
boo hoo, nobody ever responded to this.

[Anonymous No.]

lol