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7003050 No.7003050 [Reply] [Original]

Who is the better detective /jp/?

Battler?
Erika?
Or Willard?

Discuss.

>> No.7003051 [DELETED] 

Battler

>> No.7003054

Willard solved everything before the 4th game.

>> No.7003056

Sherlock Holmes

>> No.7003055 [DELETED] 
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Kunkun.

>> No.7003057

I really liked Battler. One of the few characters that really clicked with me while reading.

But we all know Conan would make all of them look like amateurs.

>> No.7003065
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Victorique

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>> No.7003074

>>7003054
But he had an outsider's view of the subject. Unlike Battler, who was stuck in the cycle watching it as it happened, and was likely distracted by the continual death of his family.
Still, Will was actually able to explain it, instead of just keeping it all a secret like Battler. Sure his explanations were annoying riddles, but it was better than Battler's "explanation" game.
I'm not even giving Erika any credit at all.

>> No.7003078

I doubt Willard would have done things any better at Battler's age, and with his loved ones involved.

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>> No.7003089

>>7003078
Except Will used to be a heartless, love-ignoring, detective of the SSVD. In his earlier years, he probably wouldn't have been much better than the unnamed detectives at the start of Episode 7.

Now I'm partially curious to how Victorique would've dealt with the Rokkenjima murders.

>> No.7003091 [DELETED] 

>>7003089
>Now I'm partially curious to how Victorique would've dealt with the Rokkenjima murders.
Magic~

>> No.7003136

Battler - Neglected the heart
Erika - Intellectual Rapist
Willard - Solved Everything and put Yasu's soul to rest

Will is the best

>> No.7003141

Will is the best detective. This shouldn't even be a question.

That being said, Battler was just a confused kid. He did about as well as you can expect in the circumstances.

>> No.7003150

>Battler?

Laughing_girls.jpg

>Erika?

Rely on haxs and isn't interested in finding the truth

>Or Willard?

Gary stu

>> No.7003162

>>7003150
>Gary stu

This. Willard disgusts me.

>> No.7003163
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The great detective knows.

>> No.7003166

>>7003136
>Solved Everything
...with the knowledge obtained by the other two and with the help of the greatest authority, that makes people spill the beans without torturing them first.

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I prefer Battler.

>> No.7003182

>>7003166
Will was nice in that he actually walked you through his thought processes, so you could see him putting things together in a way that made him seem competent. He was basically the only one genuinely interested in understanding the mystery. That's what makes him come across as the best detective even more than the act of "solving everything"--he had a visible maturity and thoughtfulness Battler and Erika lacked. Of course, he's older and more experienced, so that's to be expected.

Will also managed to get Kinzo and Rosa to talk before/without pulling magic BS on them, though. You don't have to undercut what he really did bring to the table that the other two didn't have to understand that, uh, Battler at least was in a different position that made things a lot harder for him. Hell, Will acknowledged himself that Battler's circumstances were different from his in a way that made things easier for him.

>> No.7003183

Battler had the easyer, he just sitted and writted fanfctions

>> No.7003190

>>7003162

Don't be hating on Will just because he isn't an incompitent faggot. Seriously just because he didn't spend 5 episodes solving the mystery he is a gary stu

>> No.7003198

>>7003190
You seem to forget they are all fictional people.

Will just came in, solved everything and done. Truly a great character. They should've put him in episode 1!

>> No.7003209

>>7003190
This. Being good at your job =/= Gary Stu. He didn't just pop in with all the answers, he'd read the previous games, spent some time gathering information, thought about it, then presented the answer. That sounds... like a normal detective to me.

The presentation of Will's character was good in that you got enough of a sense of his personality to make him feel well-rounded enough for the purposes of his role. He's a lazy, arrogant asshole with a shady history. But the story isn't about Will or exploring his problems, so it's kept on the back-burner.

>> No.7003224

Awakened Batttler = Will > Erika

>> No.7003230

So what was chiru's overall plot? I can see the overall direction of the first 4 arcs as Beatrice trying more and more tricks to get Battler to give up, but Chiru just seems all over the place with Beatrice keeping dying and then being fine and then dying again.

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Battler is fucking stupid, as few as he could care about the promise he should have at least a vague idea about it, in EP4 Beato made it blatantly clear for him and he still had no clue.
Erika does not even get near to what she is supposed to solve.

Will is the boss.

>> No.7003241

>>7003230

>Erika

>Answer to Beatrice's heart

>Erika

>> No.7003247

Rather than who's the best, who is the worst?

Personally I can't choose between Erika and Battler. She may be vastly intelligent with hax skills but she has no care for the actual truth. While Battler is incredibly incompetent so...

>> No.7003249

>>7003230

Chiru was a clusterfuck of themes, how you need love to see the truth, it presented you Yasu Heart (ep vi), a new face of Beato, answers, what happens when you don't care for the "heart" (erika).

>> No.7003253

>>7003247
Erika is the worst. Battler is incompetent, but at least he tried and managed to make things click relatively quickly once he got the right mindset.

Erika's specialty is framing and/or killing people, not solving anything. I think the only thing she actually helped "solve" was when she pitched in with the epitaph in EP5, and even then most of what she did was go "I thought of that too!" Thanks Erika.

>> No.7003259

>>7003230
Battler carrying on Beato's goal to bring everyone to golden land, where they can live in peace.

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>>7003253
>Erika's specialty is framing and/or killing people

But don't tell me this woman doesn't look suspicious of being a serial murderer.

>> No.7003268

>>7003249
All these themes were in ep1-4 though, instead of Erika neglecting heart, it was Battler for 1-4

>> No.7003267 [DELETED] 

Will died for your sins /jp/

>> No.7003285

>>7003262

Cliff

>> No.7003286

>>7003259

If you ask me, the central theme of Chiru has to do with the catbox concept and the objective nature of truth.

The Question Arcs were about finding the truth, whereas Chiru was about explaining why the truth doesn't matter.

Umineko, in the end, deconstructs itself.

>> No.7003289

>>7003259
So, in reality killing them? Well that makes sense then, him being reunited with everyone = his death.

>> No.7003292

>>7003289
They're already dead. Nothing Battler can do about that.

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>>7003259

And you guys call Kyrie a bad person, she just wanted everyone to be happy in the Golden Land with her husband and son's help.

>> No.7003302

>>7003285

Killing a baby or two is a healthy thing.

>> No.7003309

>>7003289
>>7003292

It's quite possible that Battler had a hand in killing them all himself.

But we'll never know for sure, since the truth is, just like Yasu intended, trapped inside the catbox forever...

>> No.7003337

>>7003302

She also killed a maid

>> No.7003341

>>7003337

And then a maid killed her. Evrything is fine.

>> No.7003345

>>7003309
>But we'll never know for sure

Ange was happy when she saw her brother, i think, if i was Ange, i would be SCARED AS FUCK, if he was the culprit.

Also, it goes against EVERYTHING we saw about Battler in 6 episodes.

He and Jessica are the only with sheep in that mass of idiots

>> No.7003354

>>7003345
>Ange was happy when she saw her brother, i think, if i was Ange, i would be SCARED AS FUCK, if he was the culprit.

Ange is fucking retarded, she hated Eva who was just protecting her.
Plus if she was so sure she was the one who killed her parents she was so carefree around her, you know calling her things and that. Why would Ange be afraid of her dear Onii-chan even if he had killed the whole island?

>> No.7003363

>>7003354
>Ange is fucking retarded, she hated Eva who was just protecting her.
Read Witch's Tanabata

>> No.7003364

>>7003309
>It's quite possible that Battler had a hand in killing them all himself.
Don't we have red that contradicts that?

>> No.7003371

>>7003345
>Ange was happy when she saw her brother

As I recall, Yukari still doesn't know what happened at the end. If she does find out, she kills herself.

>>7003364

That red only prevents him from being the culprit of the various fictions. Red doesn't exist in real life.

Also, I might note that it was Touya himself who came up with that specific red....

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>>7003354
>Ange is fucking retarded, she hated Eva who was just protecting her.

She didn't know.

>Plus if she was so sure she was the one who killed her parents she was so carefree around her, you know calling her things and that

Because Ange was a little girl with no one left in the world and spent most of her time locked up in an academy. What could she have do, running away?

>Why would Ange be afraid of her dear Onii-chan even if he had killed the whole island?

Because he's MASS MURDER? She didn't show the slightly hesitation, she was super happy that Battler alive.
If Battler was one of the culprit that killed her whole family i think it would be natural to be at least CAUTION.

And again, you are ignoring Battler's character in all the games. He never show any murderous intent.

>> No.7003379

>>7003371
>As I recall, Yukari still doesn't know what happened at the end. If she does find out, she kills herself.

No, she doesn't. Stop belining in fake spoilers crap. She know about Eva's diary in both ending.
The whole "Ange kills herself" is a fake spoiler. She dies, but for different reason.

>> No.7003395

>>7003363

A cat told her to hate auntie Eva?

>> No.7003398

>>7003395
>He still doesn't believe in Meta

>> No.7003409

>>7003373

If she was a little girl the worse then, she has no trouble calling a mass murderer stupid but is scared of the brother she searched for her whole life?

Most surely Battler is innocent, but Ange is not a good indicator of anything.

>> No.7003411

>>7003398

>He still doesn't know I can believe whatever I want because lol catbox

>> No.7003446

>>7003409
>If she was a little girl the worse then, she has no trouble calling a mass murderer stupid but is scared of the brother she searched for her whole life?

What Eva could do to her?

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Battler.

Because he's Goddamn Battler.

>> No.7003454

>>7003446

Kill her as she supposedly did with her whole family while alone at home?

What could Battler do to her? Seeing her in a public space and him being in a wheelchair.

>> No.7003469

>>7003411
>He still doesn't know that catbox only refers to the truth of Rokkenjima

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>> No.7003547

>>7003472
>>7003474

Why would you...

>> No.7003600

>>7003454
>Kill her as she supposedly did with her whole family while alone at home?

She's already the center of the scandal, why would she bring other troubles into her?

Also, read Tanaba

>> No.7003617

>>7003600

Well, it's Eva, why not?

True feelings do not change Ange thought of her as a murderer.

>> No.7003627

You know what's funny? Just like Bern said, Eva did STEAL THEM AWAY.

>> No.7003629

>>7003600
>She's already the center of the scandal, why would she bring other troubles into her?

Well considering she's already seen as the mass murderer why not?

>> No.7003655

>>7003230
There was never any hope from the very beginning, go live in your delusions forever.

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>>7003472
Why...?

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>>7003627

Explain further.

>> No.7004286

>>7003954

She's that Kakera culprit

>> No.7004313

>>7004286

Only there are no kakeras in Umineko and it's all one of Tohya's tales.

>> No.7004333

>>7004313

That's your interpretation of the story.

I believe in meta

>> No.7004354

>>7004333
>That's your interpretation of the story.

No, that's the ???? of EP8. Wheter meta exists or not does not conflict with the fact the episodes were novels.

>> No.7004363

>>7004354
>No, that's the ???? of EP8. Wheter meta exists or not does not conflict with the fact the episodes were novels.

It doesn't disprove meta, since there is nothing pointing at not being Meta-Battler.

Also, unless he and Featherine had mind-reading powers, i find hard to believe the could know every details about everyone life, and Ange.
Geez, Ange even has meta-knowledge too.

>> No.7008937

>>7004363
>i find hard to believe the could know every details about everyone life, and Ange.

I'm convinced they were the ones who had Maria's diary, not Ange. Also, I'd bet money they also bought some of the books from Kuwadorian that Eva was selling off... maybe they found Kinzo's diary as well?

Those two documents, in addition to what Yasu must have told Touya before her death, would cover just about everything.

Hell, Yasu doesn't even need to tell Touya anything; the Tale of Yasu is presented in Ep7 as a book, so why can't it exist in real life as one?

>> No.7008951

Gumshoe

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