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>> No.6654583

i love saten-san

>> No.6654587

I love autism.

>> No.6654590

Well, she's either the nicest person on the island or a total troll.

And HNNNNNNNNG, that tie.

>> No.6654598
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She and Lion are adorable.

>> No.6654605

Still gunning for a Jessica end, wincest is the only thing that will save this fucking stupid story at this point.

>> No.6654604
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i love bern.

>> No.6654609

Continuing from the previous thread
>Jessica simulates astmha attack to troll Yasu and make herself seems frail so that Kanon comes out, leading to Jessica's legendary E3 post-mortem endgame trollface

...by which she wins the trial, they get together, kill Eva, leave the island and go Anonymous , with Jessica forever using Yasu as her doggy in that kakera.

This is now my favourite theory ever. Discuss it.

>> No.6654619

>>6654605
>wincest
You won't have to worry about that...

>> No.6654623
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>>6654609
Oh fucking hell....

>> No.6654638
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I've actually realized that Jessica, in and of herself, is some form of Meta-troll.

Is she the culprit, is she not?

Yes.

Ryukishi has left enough evidence for any answer to be justified.

If she's the culprit, he's foreshadowed that enough.

If she's not, he's also foreshadowed that enough.

My personal theory is that he'll go with whatever causes more rage.

>> No.6654653
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I'd be pissed off if I was Jessica.

The truth of the situation is that her family, who she cares about, and her friends, would have more than easily murdered her.

>> No.6654657

Why is there still discussion on who is the culprit? Didn't ep7 make it completely clear?

>> No.6654662

>>6654657 Didn't the detective's speech and culprit's confession make something completely clear?

Ellery Queen would like to have a word with you.

>> No.6654669

>>6654657
No.

This entire episode told us to figure out the motivation, and while Will figured out Clair's, there is more to Umineko than Yasu.

>> No.6654677

>>6654669
The entire episode told us Shannon's motivation, there were NINE FUCKING CHAPTERS of it. The only motivation we haven't gotten any detailed info on was the culprits in reality, Rudolf and Kyrie's motivation, and that was criticized by will as being a heartless crime.

>> No.6654699

>>6654677
Bernkastel is really good at tricking people, don't you think?

>> No.6654723
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>>6654677
I trust Battler more so than Will, and as Rudolf and Kyrie's actions stand, there is little to nothing to justify them.

That's why Will chops it in half, not just for forgetting the heart but because the "truth" Bern shows is just nuts.

Anyways, I'm not going to assume that Umineko is over, this game punished people who are spoon-fed the answers.

It also punishes people who fail to notice blatant themes, like the AntiShkanontrice crowd, but still.

I won't trust Bernkastel in the slightest, and I will believe in Yasu, albeit begrudgingly.

I've found a person who has a good motive, and also happens to be in a great position to do a ton of damage. I'm not going to give up the idea just because apparently the whole clusterfuck which doesn't make sense half the time is over.

>> No.6654809

>>6654723
The fact that Bernkastel could show Kyrie shooting Lion in that one fragment she does exist as Lion proves that THAT is what happened in reality, 100% certain. Maybe you didn't notice, but Will FAILED at chopping the truth in half with his mystery reasoning, hence him losing his arm and being all beat up. The reason it didn't work is simple...it's not a MYSTERY, but a CRUEL REALITY. Everything on the gameboard (so ep1-6) can be reasoned with using mystery/anti-fantasy rules, but reality does not work that way. This is the harsh reality that Shannon and Eva hid from the world, and would never have been revealed if Bernkastel didn't take a look.

For the mystery aspect of the game, it's something you can just toss aside, as it has nothing to do with any of it. But as a story element, that's how it is.

The mystery part of the game focuses only on Beatrice's fiction, and those nine chapters clearly reveal the motivation behind the fictional murders (and what she was trying to do in reality until the puzzle actually seemed easy to solve for the siblings and she lost the game).

Remember how a while ago there used to be a whole group of people who kept claiming *a certain theory* wasn't true because they didn't like it, even though ep6 pretty much blatantly confirmed it? Yeah, this is just like that. This is how the story is, like it or not.

>> No.6654824

>>6654809
I can understand Yasu's motivation for the fake murders, but that's what they were, fake.

The reality has to be a much more complex affair, as you said, Eva and Yasu hid the truth from people.

But then again, do you think Ange could even remotely be satisfied with the truth as it stands now?

Is Battler just going to lie to her? I doubt it, and Ange's entire quest has been to find the truth.

That is why I maintain that there must be something more, and that is why I also say this isn't over yet.

>> No.6654841

I still don't understand Yasu's motivations. Did she just want to watch the world burn in the end? What was she doing in all the games?

>> No.6654849

I don't really understand what yasus relation is to kanon and shannon.

>> No.6654855

>>6654849
Yasu is Beatrice, friend to Shannon, stranger to Kanon

>> No.6654919

So Kanon couldn't lift the sack of fertilizer in the very beginning of the 1st episode because:

A. He didn't exist
B. He was actually Shannon who was actually Yasu, who is weak and frail
C. We were shown a complete lie with no connection to actual events
D. He was actually weak and frail
5: All of the Above

>> No.6654942

>>6654919

I think the answers close to all of the above, because even though it was from battler's viewpoint the end of EP2 showed us that if battler isn't narrating the scene you see whatever ryu07 wants you to see. And ryu07 wants you to see something that can be interpreted any way you want.

>> No.6654959

>>6654942

...i thot battler WAS narrating that scene...

or maybe im wrong, its been a while since I saw that..

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>>6654609
Jessica's interesting, though.

She's sort of a foil to Yasu, in that while Yasu is destroyed and chained down by her personas, which she keeps secret, Jessica is liberated by her personas, which she tells people about.


Unless of course Jessica is a sociopath, but so far I've always managed to be impressed with how mature and even-headed Jessica can be.

Even when she burnt Kyrie to a crisp, she came off as the saner of the two.

>> No.6654963

I've been thinking about the concept that Shannon is a split personality and imaginary friend of Yasu, and I think it might be the other way around: Shannon is the real person, and Yasu is the imaginary personality.

The popular idea is that Shannon represents the imaginary ideal servant, who Yasu created so that he could look up to her. But if she had problems with insecurity, it might make more sense to imagine a worse servant who looks up to her, than a better servant they can look up to. People deal with insecurity by feeling better than others, not worse than others. And if Shannon was bullied, she might have created the imaginary Yasu to be bullied in her place, displacing all of her pain onto another person so it's "not happening to her."

After Yasu became a witch, Shannon was left as a human. But it makes more sense for the real person Shannon to continue as the real person Shannon, than for the real person Yasu to walk up to Natsuhi and say, "My name is Shannon. You say my name is Yasu? I've never heard of anyone named that..." and continue without any problems.

>> No.6654972

Wrong. If the game is over or Battler is not present then it's open for interpretation. So, since Battler was present we can conclude that some small person dressed as a boy could not effectively carry the fertilizer.

>> No.6654990

>>6654963
I think that's probably the case, Shannon was Yasu's honored name (or whatever they called it), which was what everyone called her by (other than the other servants from the fukin house). She said she hated the name Yasu so she probably just gave it up entirely and chose to live as Shannon/Sayo. No one would find it odd since all of the older servants eventually quit and the Ushiromiyas never referred to the servants by their real names anyway.

>> No.6655003

All of this drama over a few dead people. That's just impressive.

>> No.6655020

>>6654841
Battler and Yasu bonded because they both loved murder mystery stories. Battler was bitching because he thought not enough mysteries focused on the heart, and bragged about how if he was solving a mystery, it would be the first thing he would look for.

Guess what Yasu tried to construct for him to send him a message?

>> No.6655022

>>6654963
Yasu was a derogative nickname, remember? Shannon was her servant name all along.

>> No.6655030

>>6655020
It really is unlucky for Yasu, I think if there wasn't an actual murderer walking around with a gun, Battler might've been able to think more clearly.

Well maybe not.

>> No.6655055

>>6655020
Yasu wanted Battler to solve the epitaph.

Yasu couldn't decide between Battler and George but secretly wanted Battler to do it. the epitaph was a game for Yasu. She planned to give herself to whomever solved it.

What better way to force him to solve it, by sayin "solve it or die" She kept him alive until the end to increase the chance of him solving it.

>> No.6655062

>>6655055
That doesn't really make sense, though. I don't think even Yasu is batty enough to think Battler will accept her even if he solved it after, you know, slaughtering most of my family.

That's part of why I tend to think her intention was to progressively bribe more family members into playing a part in her fake mystery. Do you remember Beatrice's letter? Where she said if the epitaph was solved, she would return everything, including the interest/lives already collected? And then stated in red that she will keep her promise?

>> No.6655077

>>6655062
In case you hadn't realized, Yatsu is batshit crazy.

>> No.6655086

>>6655062
Yasu's pretty damn crazy.

>> No.6655099

>>6655055
It doesnt sound like it was a fair roulette, she obviously favored Battler over George. I wonder why she was willing to kill off George but not Battler, if the whole point was to decide who she'd fall in love with.

>> No.6655103

>>6655077
>>6655086
Just writing her off was crazy was what Eva was doing. Obviously, she's mentally unstable, but saying "lol she's crazy lol" is pretty much the same thing as ignoring THE HEART, I think.

>> No.6655108

It's possible the the servants working with her: Genji, Nanjo and Kumasawa do fake their deaths. But the other deaths are not fake. She wasn't going to do a pretend murder, she was going to a real murder.

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Ok, culpritfags aside, any Jessicafags here that share the following sentiment?

Mainly, that the best ending for Jessica wouldn't be a golden land Kanon-kun ending, but rather one where she leaves her shitty ass family?

>> No.6655115

>>6655099
Yasu is selfish.

Seriously, she's a bitch. With George, it's sort of karmic retribution for being a passive-aggressive douche, but by and large Yasu is a selfish, and dare I say, evil person.

>> No.6655123

>>6655108
Okay. So explain how she was planning on returning all the lives she had taken if someone managed to solve the epitaph?

>> No.6655126

>>6655115
I can't argue with you about the action, and I can only say that Yasu had a rough life. I admit that for what she did that it is not much of an excuse. Which is why there MUST be more to this story.

>> No.6655136

>>6655123
By solving the epitaph first, she already owns all lives of the Ushiromiya. In her mind, she can kill them as she pleases because they're her property. If somebody else solves the epitaph then she'll relinquish ownership.

>> No.6655139

>>6655136
Woah man, that sounds fucking evil as shit.

>> No.6655144

>>6655136
>From now on, the collect of the interest will be performed but, if whoever one person among everyone can satisfy the special clause,

>Everything will be returned including the part already collected.

"I will return" =/= "I will stop collecting"

>> No.6655148

>>6655126
>rough life

Honestly I think her mother had it more rough, but that's all subjective.

>> No.6655157

>>6655144
It's not "stop collecting"

She already owns their lives. You're mistaking "taking life" as killing them. That's not the case. Taking life = having ownership.

Let's also not forget that Yasu believes she's a witch with real magic. She thinks she can revive the dead.

>> No.6655158

>>6655110
I think that's probably likely to happen.

Well, if she didn't die every time.

>> No.6655161

>>6655139
That would be because it's not true.

>In her mind, she can kill them as she pleases because they're her property.

This, from the same person after finding out she was the Head, refused it on the basis of "how would Krauss and Natsuhi feel?" I don't think so.

>> No.6655166

>>6655157
Yasu is a witch who knows magic doesn't exist.

Ergo, she didn't actually kill them. The whole thing - Ah, fuck it, we'll find out soon enough.

>> No.6655171

>>6655157
>She already owns their lives. You're mistaking "taking life" as killing them. That's not the case. Taking life = having ownership.

She states in the Tea Party that her intention with collecting the interest was the murders. So, again, how can she guarantee she would keep the promise to undo the murders if someone solved the epitaph?

>Let's also not forget that Yasu believes she's a witch with real magic.

No, she doesn't. Were you paying attention to when she was playing with Maria and when Genji reveals her history to her? She knows she was pretending.

>> No.6655172

>>6655161
Yasu has multiple personalities.

Just because one says something doesn't make it true for them all.

>> No.6655174

I still want to see the end of the supposedly real kakera. It seemed like Battler caught a glimpse of 37564 mode Kyrie and decided to lay low instead of going to the chapel. Obviously Eva survives, but it's still not decided that Battler dies in the explosion.

>> No.6655180

>>6655172
No, she doesn't. And even if she did, she was speaking as Yasu/Beatrice there.

>> No.6655179

How the fuck can people argue that they're pretending to be dead.

For most twilights, Beatrice says in red that they're dead.

Don't try to glorify Yasu. She's a cold-blooded murder if the epitaph isn't solved.

>> No.6655182

>>6655179
>implying the first two message bottles aren't pure constructed fiction

And besides, the question is what Yasu intended, not if they were actually dead. We already got a scenario where there was a fake death twilight game planned but it got fucked up because someone decided to start running around killing people for real instead.

>> No.6655185

>>6655180
Yes she does and you only think that because of the sprite. Yasu can be nice and sweet and can also be a mean prankster.

>> No.6655194

>>6655182
It's all fiction. Or meta-fiction I should say. Every one of Beatrice's games was made up and stuffed in a bottle before anything happened.

>> No.6655195

>>6655185
No, I think that because that entire sequence revolved around her being Beatrice. Jesus.

>> No.6655219

>>6655195
Except that's not how her Beatrice personality acts.

>> No.6655225

>>6655219
By what, your reading, because she's confused? We see her thoughts in that scene. She's in Beatrice mode, thinking of herself as Beatrice, referring to herself as the master of the night, etc, etc.

>> No.6655228

I wish she would have a happy Kanon-kun ending.
;__; Oh Jessica <3

>> No.6655233

>>6655228
At this point I'd say a happy ending would be many things, but Kanon-kun should go die in a fire.

Yasu is into Battler or no one, and because of that, people should stay the fuck away from him/her.

>> No.6655258

>>6655228
refer to
>>6654609
for a Kanon-kun ending.

You might want to believe.

>> No.6655267

>>6655258
Bro, that's like a bad end.

A magnificent bastard play on Jessica's part, but still.

>> No.6655283

>>6655258
I love it.
<3
Both badass Jessica and Kanon-kun happy ending.

>> No.6655290

>>6655283
For a given definition of the phrase "happy"...

>> No.6655418

So I finished EP7 and I'm still confused. This is what I got

Yasu is heartbroken because of Battler. She eventually decides to move on with life and her love for Battler is moved into an aspect of the mad witch Beatrice to help her forget him. She moves to liking George after a while. Jessica who is a big baby made Yasu promise they would both get boyfriends at the same time so Yasu makes Kanon into Jessica's pretend boyfriend. In the end Yasu loves Jessica as well and tries to decide whether Kanon or Shannon will be her real personality. Then blissfully unaware Battler shows up and stirs up the old feelings of the witch. Yasu then doesn't know what to decide anymore and leaves fate to chance and says she will resign herself to whatever outcome she gets. However she leaves Battler alive as long as possible secretly hoping he will come through for her.

Is this supposed to be how it goes?

>> No.6655711

I cant belive the taiwan epitaph theory was right.
Do you remember that one /jp/?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,1074.msg207454.html?PHPSESSID=b824d66511e94cbc
3280d4fa5c3e5819#msg207454
I looked it up since it came back to me as soon as i was reading the solution.

>> No.6655800

>>6655711

Taiwan theory was correct in part. The thing with Door = Rood and LORDU refering to body parts was complete rubbish.

Still, its the only theory that at leasts solves the epitaph for about 80% of it.

>> No.6655826

>>6655800
The display of the quadrillon word hadn't been shown.
Just like lion improvised when faced with the word, the one who developed that theory could have nailed it quite easily.

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