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Dear /jp/,

If a waifu is a replacement for a wife, then what is the equivalent term for a replacement of a mother?

Kanako related.

>> No.6567275

If that's how you feel about her, why the hell would you post a picture like that?

As for your actual question, no clue, sorry.

>> No.6567282

>>6567269
An Oneesan type character.

>> No.6567290
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>>6567275
Maybe he wanted to attract everyone's attention. I have a couple pornographic pictures for the same reason.

>> No.6567298
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Mirufu?

>> No.6567299
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>>6567275

Duh

>> No.6567309
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6567309

A waifu is not a replacement for a wife.

A waifu is an unrealistically ideal, fictional woman for whom a member of her story's intended audience develops a level of affection.

>> No.6567376
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6567376

So there is no term?

Gentlemen, we must create one.

>> No.6567406
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>>6567376
I put forward the term "slut." Discussion?

>> No.6567415

>>6567376

Just use okasan?

>> No.6567434 [DELETED] 
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6567434

What the fuck is going on here?

>> No.6567458

I find it particularly hot to call it just "mom".
Then again, I end up remembering my real one and it starts getting awkward.

>> No.6567642
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6567642

With all of the bizarre shit /jp/ likes that is enough to set them apart from normalfags, it's surprising people here have a problem with wanting to fuck their mothers.

Oedipus is disappoint

>> No.6567742

>>6567642

That's because our mothers are mostly pig disgusting and old/old looking. Also they act nothing like their anime,manga,light novel,visual novel etc equivalents.

>> No.6567775

>>6567642
I don't want to fuck my mother. I want to fuck other people's mothers.

What is so hard about that? I can have my cake and eat it too.

>> No.6567784

if wife = waifu
then mother = maza

right?

>> No.6567792

"ronery"/"waifu" is 4chan-specific trolling, based on a crappy Azumanga fansub

the term you're looking for is "mazacon" (though searching for that on google will just get you an eyefull of hispanic spam) or "mother complex" (can't imagine that'd work any better, anyway it's usually called "straight shota" in the 4chan-associated fail internet)

>> No.6567796

>>6567775

But other people's mothers are pretty pig disgusting as well.

There are some exceptions though.

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>>6567784

>> No.6567814
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>>6567802
Not YOU Masa!

....actually...Masa-san~

>> No.6567820

I imagine Kanako as my hot aunt or step mom

>> No.6567825
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>>6567792

Well I'll be. A new paraphilic fetish I had never heard of.

It must be pretty obscure, or fallen out of use if I've never heard of it. Do doujins even exist of it?

>> No.6567834

Oka-san should be understood much like imouto.

>> No.6567835

>>6567784
That sounds more like dutch accent.

>> No.6567837

Nothing good shall ever come from a man who hates his mother.

>> No.6567839

>>6567825
What, straight shota? There's tons of it. Just search for "shota incest -loli" and you should find something.

>> No.6567845
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6567845

I love my flat chest and loli as much as the next guy but sometimes I crave the love of a mature woman.

>> No.6567850
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6567850

>Sexual imprinting is the process by which a young animal learns the characteristics of a desirable mate. For example, male zebra finches appear to prefer mates with the appearance of the female bird that rears them, rather than mates of their own type.[3]

>Sexual imprinting on inanimate objects is a popular theory concerning the development of sexual fetishism. For example, according to this theory, imprinting on shoes or boots (as with Konrad Lorenz' geese) would be the cause of shoe fetishism.

>> No.6567853

>>6567825
'twas even mentioned in Jungle Guu, don't be a /b/tard

>> No.6567857

>>6567839
>should find something
Understatement of the year.

80% of straight shota is nothing but a little boy and his mother, who happens to have giant balloons larger than her torso for breasts. The 19.9% is nothing but a little boy and his older sister, who happens to have giant balloons larger than her torso for breasts.

There's but a tiny sliver of lolixshota. And much, much, much less of shotaxloli

>> No.6567860
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6567860

"M-m-mom!?"

>> No.6567861
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6567861

Hmmm? What's wrong with "mommy"? You always call me that when we snuggle up...

>> No.6567863

>>6567825

7chan has a straight shotacon board. They'd probably have mom-con shit.

If 7chan still exists, anyway. I haven't checked in years.

>> No.6567867

>>6567861
Stop doing this, bastard.

>> No.6567873
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6567873

Ara-Ara~

>> No.6567882

>>6567861
>>6567873

brb, masturbating to the idea of yukari and ran pretending to be my mom and laughing about how im so confused that i have two moms

>> No.6567886

>>6567873

Ah-cha-ta!

captcha: adequate Urectr

>> No.6567890

>>6567796
Yeah, well that's the whole point. You can pick and choose other people's mothers, even 2D mothers! Way better than your own mom which isn't even 2D.

>> No.6567894

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/out-of-japan-mother-love-puts-a-nation-in-the-pouch-1508595..
html

Seems like it's an older term that's fallen out of use. Article is from 1993.

>> No.6567943

>>6567861
It's probably because of you that I started having those fantasies about Ran.

>> No.6567948
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6567948

my motheru~

>> No.6567967

>>6567835
Japanese would say "mazaa" though, or atleast that's how they would write it in katakana and usually that's an easy rule of thumb. That's also how they write the game series called "Mother" on the games' boxes.

>> No.6568014

>>6567873
>Ara ara

That. That right there. Why does my chest flutter whenever I hear it?

>> No.6568025
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6568025

Now you realize that your mother probably masturbated thinking about you, at least once

>> No.6568035

>>6568025
BRB suicide.

>> No.6568041

>>6568025
Well, she IS suspiciously fond of massages...

>> No.6568062
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>>6568014

Because it's sexy.

>> No.6568075

>>6568025
Oh my god, man. Why would you-- oh my god. Fuck. Jesus.

>> No.6568110

>>6568025
That's okay I used to fap to her all the time until she hit her 50's.

>> No.6568128

>>6567948
eureka!

>> No.6568130

>>6567967
Nope, if they say a non-Japanese word for mother, it's MAMA

Jesus fucking Christ, why hasn't anybody pointed this out?

>> No.6568131

>>6568025
.....she does like me giving massages to her sore back every now and then. Sometimes she just comes into my room (Yeah, I wish I could move out) and starts hugging me and ruffling my hair.

>> No.6568138
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>> No.6568148
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6568148

Uh, mom?

>> No.6568158
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6568158

>>6568131
Because I love my precious little baby boy.

>> No.6568162

>>6568130
Let me point this out: Mama =/= Mother, they aren't the same word in english.

Waifu = wife
Mazaa = mother
mama = mama

You dig? That's why no one pointed this out.

>> No.6568164 [DELETED] 

Wasn't there an Anon who fucked his mother back in /a/?

>> No.6568177
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6568177

yep

>> No.6568178

>>6568164
please let there be a good story to it, and please let there be copypasta of it

>> No.6568180
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6568180

One upon waking you groggily make your way to the bathroom for a bath. Because of your grogginess you really don't notice someone else is already using it and walk in....

Your mom....

>> No.6568189 [DELETED] 

>>6568164
>>6568178
I don't feel like digging through green-oval. Someone must have it.

>> No.6568194

>>6568178
Not from /a/ but...

>> No.6568196
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>>6568180

If Byakuren is my mom I'd ask can I dry hump her thighs.

>> No.6568198

I'm perverted as fuck but I just can't get a boner on my mom because she acts like a teenager and not like the average caring mom. Such a turn off.

>> No.6568199

>>6567845
Isn't Kanako younger than Suwako?

>> No.6568203

>>6568199

I've always considered Kanako to be older in my Gensokyo.

>> No.6568227
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>>6568198

My mom acts like a mix of both. It's really weird. Back in middle school I had friends that would make your mom jokes about how attractive she was but I don't really think of her that way. People that see us at first normally mistake her to be my sister to this day.

>> No.6568239

if you guys like mothers so such, why dont you try googling for Ha-Ha by Ran Hiryu

>> No.6568243
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>>6568194
Oh god what am I fapping for.

Fuck, I feel like a dirty normal.

>> No.6568254

>>6568227
Get out Sanae

>> No.6568273

>>6568227
Mine acts like a caring Mom but looks like an older sister. I got pretty pissed because my friends would say shit about her all the time.

>> No.6568284 [DELETED] 

>>6568194
That was a fucking cool story.

>> No.6568375

When you were born, your mother's brain pumped out massive ammounts of chemicals for one thing: To have you imprinted into her mind. That is to say, love you unconditionally.

This is why they do not let women who are giving their babies away hold them, no matter how much they beg.

>> No.6570149

bump

>> No.6570169
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6570169

You guys can have your hag. I'll take loli frog mom any day.

>> No.6570199

>>6568196
Is there actually a Byakuren thighs doujin? Can I get a link or a name?

>> No.6570228

>>6570199
Bump, this is quite important to me.

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>>6568375
Evidently it didn't work, I lust after 'motherly' figures (to have meaningful relationships with) and my real mother is anything but and has never been like that.

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>>6570199
I can't think of much. Only three pages worth of sock book 4.

>> No.6570289

bampu~

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>>6570283

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>>6570298
And last bit. Sorry there's nothing thigh-specific I know of.

>> No.6570319

> If a waifu is a replacement for a wife
No.

Waifu means "bride." It's a romantic thing.

>> No.6570565
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I remember when I didn't have to leave page 0 to find a decent thread.

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>>6570565
2009 was wonderful, wasn't it?

>> No.6570635
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>>6570578
It was.

>> No.6570705

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Happy Lesson. That is an old anime/manga where where the male lead has 5 moms living with him. Interestingly, the old hag alliance of Touhou is 5 women. So, a Happy Lesson-style Touhou harem would be having the old hag alliance as moms.

>> No.6570719

>>6570705

I try not to think about Happy Lesson because I throw up in my mouth a little when I do.

>> No.6570722

For a mother thread, there is a massive lack of Kanon / Clannad in here.

>> No.6570733

>>6570719
The manga was better than anime, but it only lasted two volumes for good reason. The second volume was terrible compared to the first. It ended up degenerating into a miserable pile of cliches. If it had stuck to the screwing around of the 5 moms with the male lead it would've been fun.

>> No.6570735
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>>6568194

What a mother fucker.

>> No.6570759

>>6570733

What the fuck, if it was only two volumes why did it get a second season?

The time it took to animate it could have been better spent.

>> No.6570794

>>6570759
The anime was almost entirely made up. It had stuff like characters that were not in the manga and character development that never happened. In fact, the main character is completely different, not even having the same name. The teachers also do different subjects than in the anime. The manga also has better art but very little official color art of the manga exists.

>> No.6570812

>>6570705
If I had the five old ladies of Touhou as moms I'd... do something. Not sure what.

>> No.6570827

If I had the Touhou hags as moms I'd sit up straight and eat all my vegetables.

>> No.6570851

>>6570812
Play with your sisters all day?

>> No.6570855

>>6570851
What sisters?

>> No.6570872

>>6570855
Like the old hags are going to abandon their kids just to raise you? Of course you have sisters.

>> No.6570882

>>6570872
That isn't what I meant. I haven't heard of any of them having any kids.

>> No.6570886

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9248669

I wish Yuyuko was my mom. She wouldn't beat me and dad all the time. On weekends, we'd go out to Red Lobster with her bitch-servant and pester the fuck out of Sakuya at her part-time job. If Yuyuko was my mom, things would be different around here.

>> No.6570887
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6570887

Ran is the best mom in the world ;_;

>> No.6570892

>>6570887

She's even willing to wring Cirno's neck until the little baka goes limp so she won't disturbed Yukari.

>> No.6570906

>>6570882
You think kids have to be blood related? Nonsense. By that definition, they aren't your moms.

>> No.6570907
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6570907

>>6570887

>> No.6570911
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>>6570907

>> No.6570930

>>6570906
Now you are confusing me. You're acting like they treat their servants as daughters.

>> No.6570932
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>>6570892
>implying anyone would ever want to hurt Cirno.
No way, she's just hugging and cuddling the little baka.

>> No.6570947

>>6570930
They do. Except Eirin. She's a bitch.

>> No.6570964

>>6570886

>implying a perfect and elegant meido would work at a chain restaurant

captcha: Sadvan practiced

>> No.6570977

>>6570947

It's not Eirin's fault Reisen doesn't realize she's supposed to be coming up with antidotes for all the stuff she tests on her as part of her pharmacist training.

>> No.6570982

Oh, did we ever pick a term? "Mamu," maybe?

>> No.6570991

>>6570947
I see. Still, it doesn't matter. Leaving everything they've known behind was already one of the requirements. I should be the only thing that matters to them.

>> No.6570992
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6570992

Don't mind me, guys. I'm just going on underground adventures with the BEST DAD EVER!

>> No.6570997

>>6570992
>best dad ever
>drinks heavily, likes to fight people who are weaker than him
Hits a little too close to home, sorry.

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>>6570997

>likes to fight people who are weaker than him

That seems dangerously close to implying that there are people stronger than oni.

>> No.6571009

>>6570982

Mirufu or maza seem to be the two best candidates so far.

>> No.6571010

>>6570982
>mamu
Get your yukkuri shit outta here.

>>6570932
Is a face full of Cirno feet really such a good idea?

>> No.6571019

>>6571010
>Is a face full of Cirno feet really such a good idea?

Yes, that's actually the best idea ever.

>> No.6571027

>>6571010
>>6571019

I just realize touching Cirno would be like touching a cold, dead body.

>> No.6571057

>>6571027
No, you're mistaking her for Youmu.

>> No.6571065

>>6571057

No, unless I die, Youmu would feel like passing my hand through a chilly patch of fog.

Cirno... the flesh is there, but it doesn't give off any warmth.

>> No.6571077

>>6571027
Cirno is actually quite warm, see Hisoutensoku for details.

>> No.6571112
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If Kanako knew what was going on in this thread, she would burn down your women and rape your villages.

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>>6571112
I hope Kanako rapes me someday.

>> No.6571123
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>>6571112
Shush. Kanako likes being a mother.

>> No.6571135

Kanako is a virgin, she can't be my mom.

>> No.6571147

>>6571135

Kanako has to be motherly, Suwako is too busy planning festivals to look after her progeny.

>> No.6571244
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6571244

I always pictured Kanako as more fatherly than motherly.

Amicable, dependable, and urge you more to become self-sufficient and to stand on your own two feet than smother you. Plus, it feels like fun to drink with her while listening to her stories.

>> No.6571274

>>6571135
And that's why Suwako is superior.

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>>6571244
Seems like that applies more to Suwako than Kanako. But that's just me.

Kanako seems more like the smothering type.

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>>6571286
Really? Suwako always seemed similar to Remilia to me, though a bit less spoiled.

Any doujin of a smothering Kanako? I feel like reading that kind of interpretation.

>> No.6571308

I want to fuck my mum. We've always been very close (dad left when I was 1yo) but for me it developed into a more romantic thing a few years ago. I don't even really masturbate to anything but thoughts of my mother.

I have often considered ways of bringing up the issue with her, but if she wasn't receptive to it it would ruin our relationship. I'm not sure if it's worth the risk.

>> No.6571314

>>6571286
Both of them are. How do you think Sanae ended up as such a fiendish youkai hunter?

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>>6571298
What the hell? Suwako isn't like Remilia in any way...

>> No.6571370

>>6571336
I meant in the immortal loli kind of way. Selfish and spoiled, as a loli, but still mature.

>> No.6571431

>>6571065
Again, Youmu's phantom half is warm. Her body is cold.

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>>6571370
You're saying all lolis are selfish and spoiled? What? Are you even paying attention to what Suwako says?

>> No.6571478

ITT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSggtXbusdE

>> No.6571483

>>6571370

In youkai terms, Remilia IS a loli. Suwako has at least several millenniums on her.

>> No.6571525

>>6571483
Nah, Remilia's just a brat cause she got turned when she was a child. Stunted her emotional growth forever, poor girl.

>> No.6571828
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6571828

There was a guy on /jp/ who fucked his mother.

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/2271461#p2277102

I wonder what happened to him.

>> No.6573312

motheru~

>> No.6573446
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6573446

Someone needs to fucking scanlate this manga.

>> No.6573556

>>6571828
Well that was a good read. It made me uncomfortable AND gave me an erection, which is always cool.

>> No.6574187

I'm going to hell
;_;

>> No.6574197

>>6574187
Aren't we all?

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>>6574187
Since you're already going to hell and what not, why not damn yourself even more? The animation is quite nice and there's a whole straight shota segment. Quite the nice exchange between her and the boy is also present:
"I longed to see you."
"Don't you mean you longed to do me?"

http://vearchive.net/40265.html

>> No.6574302 [DELETED] 

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>> No.6574306

>>6574251
Porn Expert Hong

>> No.6574310

>>6574251

>DID SOMEBODY SAY "GOING TO HELL?"

When I die, Saint Peter is going to ask me if I know a tripfag named Hong Meiling, and I'm going to laugh nervously and cough.

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>> No.6575445

>>6575299
sauce?

>> No.6576470

>>6575299
I hate when that happens

>> No.6576545
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Don't worry.

Mama will relieve you~

>> No.6577002

>>6574251
That was great.

>> No.6577852

>>6571828
source on this?

it doesnt show the complete file name for me, so i cant find off just what it shows

>> No.6578128
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>>6574251
Dammit I can't get this to run
help ;_;

>> No.6579395

>>6578128

bump, i get an error too, even with applocale

>> No.6579714

>>6576545
why is Suwako so cute

>> No.6579964

>>6578128
>>6579395

If you rename your folders/exe to non-gibberish characters, then run through app locale you get a bit further, but it's still bitches about ANSI to UNICODE conversions in a terminal. You might need to physically boot into Japanese windows, which isn't really worth it.

>> No.6580730

>>6579714
Because gentlemen prefer blonds.

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>>6580730
Which is why it is stated that you must approach Yukari in a gentlemanly fashion.

Also, old thread is old.

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>>6580737

Blonde hair doesn't seem to work well in reality...Then again many things don't.

>> No.6580789

>>6580737
2 days is not old. Are you new here?

>> No.6580792

>>6580789
Please don't stir shit unnecessarily.

>> No.6580844

>>6574251

The fileserve links on that website appear to have been taken down. How am I supposed to fulfill my incest fap fuel now? ;_;

>> No.6580848

LOL TOUHOU WILL TAKE OVER

>> No.6580963
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This thread needs more mama Ran.

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>>6580963
>This thread needs more mammaries Ran

I concur.

>> No.6581282

>>6581038
So rude.

>> No.6581288

>>6581282
Asking a SUPPATENKO to wear clothes is even more rude, and violates the most standard laws of nature.

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......

>> No.6581341

>>6580844
Damnit. Knew I shouldn't have waited ;_;

>> No.6581391

>>6581304
Mugen, can you draw Saten being tortured horribly? I think the Pear of Agony would be very appropriate for Saten, but arrows etc. are fine.

>> No.6581394

>>6581391
If you use the Pear of Agony draw her with an ahegao.

>> No.6581428

>>6567269
>If a waifu is a replacement for a wife
>replacement
you lost me. "Waifu" is a so randum XD bastardized term, the original meme just had "wife", from "ore no yome".

>> No.6583798

>>6574251
reup?

>> No.6586957

>>6580844

Bump. The fileserve links on that website have been taken down. I need my fap fuel, internet! Please help!

>> No.6587935

Why hasnt this thread been deleted

>> No.6587941

>>6587935
Why would it be?

>> No.6587963

>>6586957
Meh, its a short eroge in 3DCG style. Decent but nothing so extreme that missing out on it will kill you.

>> No.6587982
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Replacement for mother?

mofu mofu

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