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[SPOILER] No.6500496[SPOILER]  [Reply] [Original]

Why is Bernikasuch a spoiled, fickle, stupid, showy-off brat?! I'm playing through EP5 right now, and I must say, I am NOT happy with this bitch.

Please, someone just spoil me right now that she dies a horrible, horrible death. Anything but to hear her laughter again. PLEASE.

>> No.6500506

>Anything but to hear her laughter again.
Yeah, because it sounds so different from every other use of ahaha.wav.

>> No.6500508

Yeah of course, the person who want to reveal the truth about an event that caused the deaths of a fucking lot of people is an evil bitch while the one who made a big plan to kill 15 people is a hero and a martyr.

Awesome logic Umineko.

>> No.6500524

>>6500506
But coming from her mouth... it just sounds evil, man. I mean, more evil than evil.

The funny thing is that the person trying to prove that witches don't exist is a witch herself. All for the sake of boredom. Silly witches!

>> No.6500532

>>6500508
>bernika
>want to reveal the truth
>lafingelfwitch.bmpeg

>> No.6500540

If you hate Erika in EP5, you'll loathe her by EP6

>> No.6500544
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6500544

Shut up. Erika is a miracle of the universe.

She doesn't die, she lives a long and prosperous life as detective. Eventually she eats Bern and your mother

>> No.6500557

>>6500544
Fuck her. She's just a troll. I'm living it right now, so I know.

>> No.6500563

>>6500508
Bernerika has no care for the truth or anyone on the island she just wants to brutalize things as hard as she can for amusement.

No care, at all, an intellectual rapist,

>> No.6500574
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6500574

>>6500557
Anyway, to spoil you.

Battler and his Golden Witch blow her brains out, with a dueling pistol.

>> No.6500582

>Implying Shannon and Kanon weren't the most suspicious from the beginning.
Even Eva thought Beatrice was Shannon in the first episode.
Awesome mystery Ryuukishi

>> No.6500586

>>6500574
FEELS GOOD ALREADY. Thanks, man.

>> No.6500601

>>6500586
Anyway, this doesn't happen until Episode 6's end.

And it's quite a ride by then and Erika's Death feels ever so much sweeter.

Also, you might feel some empathy, as Bernkastel is far worse.

>> No.6500603

>>6500582

She guessed because she is very smart. And Batman. Don't use that "even".

>> No.6500609

>>6500540
Right now I'm at the end of the trail, lambda is about to speak verdict and I can't continue. Fucking hell this is boring. I loved 1-3 and even 4 but being at the tea party in 5 is horrible. The entire ep5 has been horrible boring shit. I guess there's no need for me to continue?

also not OP btw

>> No.6500616

>>6500609
If you find Episode 5's Tea Party boring then, I have nothing nice to say to you.

Anyway, keep going.

>> No.6500617

>>6500609
Episode 6 is even worse.

>> No.6500620
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>>6500586

He is just trolling. Obviously some Beabato fag. Erika is the one to blow Beato and Battler's brains. Supposing they had any brain, that is.

>> No.6500627

>>6500609
Might as well finish EP5 then drop it if you don't like it anymore

>> No.6500629
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>>6500620
Don't listen to him.

Even Bernkastel left Erika to die alone, she's hated by everyone.

In fact, read Erika's profile, Episode 6 is her last dance, win or lose.

>> No.6500632

Just drop it.
It's not like there is a good answer at the end of the day.

>> No.6500637

The only thing I didn't like in the whole Umineko series were those boring scenes with Ange.

Goddamn I hate her.

>> No.6500639

>>6500632
I don't know, man.

The Mystery isn't over and 8 has choices, you people complain too much.

>> No.6500640

>>6500617

I don't think EP6 is worse, it's not I liked it too much neither, but at least it has some scenes I like to read again. I never touched EP5 after finishing it.

>> No.6500643

>>6500637
I agree completely, seeing her again in 6 made me cringe.

She should have stayed a burger.

>> No.6500644

>>6500639
The mystery is over, it's been stated by everyone including Ryuukishi.

>> No.6500649

>>6500644
Then, let's see the ending, push the buttons.

Why leave something unfinished?

>> No.6500651

>>6500644

Ryuukishi is just trolling with you.

Wouldn't be the first time.

>> No.6500652

>>6500639
The only choice I've seen in 8 is 'Which one has the penis, Zepar or Furfur'.

To be fair, that's all you really need. Though an option to select 'What do you want to put on your toast' would be fine too.

>> No.6500668

>>6500652
>The only choice I've seen in 8 is 'Which one has the penis, Zepar or Furfur'.
Those screenshots were for Umineko Tsubasa

>> No.6500672

>>6500652
I'm telling you, man.

I always knew guessing the trap would be important.

>> No.6500674

>>6500651
Ryukishi has never actually trolled in interviews. He has, however, hinted that Bernkastel is an evil bitch, Lambda isn't that bad, and Beato is trying to help you solve the mystery.

Besides, there is literally nothing left to reveal. The mystery was solved in EP7. Don't like the answer? Too bad, that's what it is.

>> No.6500679

>>6500674
Then, why make 8, why give it choices?

If it's truly solved, why continue?

>> No.6500688

>>6500679
For closure. Have you even read what he said about EP8? He said that it's not going to be like a final episode, since everything technically ended with EP7; rather, he's writing it like "a story that happens after the final chapter" - a story to put an end to everything.

>> No.6500690

>>6500679

I told you man I told you about ryuukishi.

>> No.6500701

>>6500688
Then, let's read it, let's see it's spin.

And if it has choices then, it affects the ending.

I am wondering however, since Battora solved the gameboard, what's going to go down in the Meta-world, Beatrice made the board solvable for his sake, after all.

Hopefully, another Scythe vs Sword match.

>> No.6500710
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>>6500701
You'll be playing as Ange, writing the final tale.

>> No.6500712

>>6500701
>And if it has choices then, it affects the ending.
Don't be so sure about that. He said there were choices, but that was it. Never that they would affect the ultimate outcome.

>Hopefully, another Scythe vs Sword match.
Probably not, Ryukishi mentioned there wouldn't be much "jumping around" like usual in this episode and that it would have a much calmer tone.

From looks of the screencaps, it looks like half of the episode will be about the aftermath of the incident with Eva and Ange learning to love each other, while the other half will be about Beato and Battler's ideal interpretation and story of what happened during the two days on the island.

>> No.6500719
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>>6500710
Anything but that, please!

Seriously, why won't she go away?

>> No.6500725

>>6500712
He already said there was a bad ending, silly.

>> No.6500731

>>6500712
>Never that they would affect the ultimate outcome.
He said the choices could lead to different endings

>> No.6500748

>>6500712
>Ryukishi mentioned there wouldn't be much "jumping around" like usual in this episode and that it would have a much calmer tone.
I don't remember this.
What I remember was him saying EP8 will have a flashy finale as usual

>> No.6500757

>>6500748
He didn't. Go reread it.

>>6500731
He didn't. He just said there would be choices and some of them would be tough to make. Everything else you've heard is just people jumping to conclusions.

>> No.6500771
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>>6500674
>Ryukishi has never actually trolled in interviews

He has. He said Erika wasn't evil in a Post-Ep5 interview, and guess what, she killed everyone in Ep6.

He said that Shannon and George's love wasn't a lie, when it turns out in Ep7 that yes, it was a complete farce because Shannon isn't real and George is responsible for pretty much everything.

>Don't like the answer? Too bad, that's what it is.

...What answer? All we're told is that Yasu is largely responsible for the Ep1-4 events and that Kyrie and Rudolf killed everyone in the 'real' Rokkenjima.

We're not given anything resembling a real motive, which Will continually claims is the most important thing. Pic related.

>>6500710

Please tell me this is real.

>> No.6500780

>>6500771
Erika killed a few pieces, so what? Everybody do this, it's not like they are real.

And Erika only fought for her own survival, that's not evil.
A bitch who want to kill people because she is too much of a whore to decide which of her nephew to fuck is pure evil though.

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>>6500701

It's obvious the choices will be "fantasy ending" "mistery ending" one with happy lies and another with cruel truth. Stop thinking there is something left to solve.

>> No.6500793

>>6500780

It's not that Erika kills pieces, but that she takes pleasure in doing so.

She is a complex and highly likable character, but she is a very, very bad person and what Ryukishi said in that interview was an outright lie.

>> No.6500794

>>6500771
>He said that Shannon and George's love wasn't a lie, when it turns out in Ep7 that yes, it was a complete farce because Shannon isn't real and George is responsible for pretty much everything.
Your idea of a "lie" is different from Ryukishi's. Going with the themes of Umineko, although Shannon and Kanon don't really "exist," Ryukishi still considers them actual beings capable of their own individual love. George/Shannon, Kanon/Jessica, and Beatrice/Battler are all still viable canon pairings, from his point of view. Of course, anti-fantasy people will object to this, but Ryukishi isn't anti-fantasy and he's the one writing it.

>...What answer? All we're told is that Yasu is largely responsible for the Ep1-4 events and that Kyrie and Rudolf killed everyone in the 'real' Rokkenjima.
That is the answer. If you're expecting answers for every single closed room, don't hold your breath. Ryukishi said he isn't going to spell things out for us.

>> No.6500806

>>6500710
Holy shit is this real ?

>> No.6500812

>>6500793

Why are you sure she enjoys it? Because the way she talks about what she did.

That's what Ryuukishi said, her mouth loses her. No lies in sight.

>> No.6500819

>>6500806

It is. From some music thing though.

>> No.6500831

Who is this Erika person you guys? I've read this three times now and I cannot for the life of me recall anyone ever mentioning an Erika.

>> No.6500839

Erika was just introduced to drag things on.
Episode 5 and 6 were basically fillers.

>> No.6500842

>>6500748
There are tough choice(s)
There are bad end(s)

Sounds like the choices can lead to multiple endings to me.

>> No.6500846

>>6500794
So, 'fiction within fiction' can be valid targets concerning character statements, and because I cannot explain for shit, you guys can enjoy AMBIGUOUS.
Fascinating

>> No.6500851

>>6500806
No man, I drew it.

>> No.6500855

>>6500794

George doesn't actually love Shannon, he just wants to own her. He's been manipulating her feelings for years.

Shannon loves George, but that's because she's a character written specifically to do so.

Yup, sure sounds like a normal relationship to me.

>If you're expecting answers for every single closed room, don't hold your breath.

I'm not, and Ep7 already gave us that anyway.

I'm after 'who killed Nanjo in Ep3', because it certainly wasn't Yasu (and furthermore Will never even mentions it), 'why the missing Shrine is important', because it hasn't been brought up since the first couple of games, and perhaps most importantly 'why Yasu decided it would be a good idea to murder everyone'.

>>6500812

He said that she wasn't really a bad person when she in fact is, just a well-written one.

He lied to set us up better for Ep6. Deal with it.

>> No.6500869

>>6500855
Yasu killed Nanjo it's fucking obvious.
Stop being retarded and look at the facts.

>> No.6500872

>>6500842
>There are bad end(s)
He didn't say that anywhere.

>>6500846
Yes, that is basically what Ryukishi is going for.

>>6500855
>George doesn't actually love Shannon, he just wants to own her. He's been manipulating her feelings for years.
Definitely at first, but remember EP6? He said that his motives were disgusting at first, but now he really does love her. I don't particularly like George/Shannon myself, but it's stupid to say their love is a lie.

>'why the missing Shrine is important'
Yasu blew it up testing the explosives, remember?

>> No.6500875

>>6500855
So many contradicting statements in this thread from teh defence side...

>> No.6500882

>>6500872
>Yes, that is basically what Ryukishi is going for.
Well, that is NOT good.

>> No.6500892

>>6500882
Then give up on the series because it obviously isn't for you.

>> No.6500896

>>6500872
>Definitely at first, but remember EP6?

Sure, but that doesn't make the things he did to trick Shannon into loving him any better. Furthermore he's directly responsible for Yasu's belief that Battler forgot her.

I really can't call their relationship one of lovers when one person is only pretending and the other is, well, a pedophile.

>Yasu blew it up testing the explosives, remember?

Okay, this was stated in Ep7? Because good, that's one more thing to check off on my list, then.

>>6500869

I am looking at the facts, and it's pretty clear to me that Yasu is dead by the time of Nanjo's death. Will not mentioning it makes it even more suspect.

The corpses Battler has seen have always been dead for real up until this point, why should we make exceptions just because it pins things on Yasu easier?

>> No.6500897

>>6500872
What?

Choices always imply paths and endings.

And, when this was first mention he said ''Bad Ending'' quite clearly.

>> No.6500907

>>6500855
>'why the missing Shrine is important'
The missing shrine just was a clue to say : "Kinzo has done a test for the bomb which will kill everyone with the shrine on the rock" (it's more the missing rock than the missing shrine that is important).

It is said in EP7.

>> No.6500908

>>6500872
>He didn't say that anywhere.
Okay, what's the translation you've read from?
This is the one I've found:

I don't intend for this to be the end of the story.
Episode six was the end of Battler and Beato's tale.
Episode seven was the end of (spoilers omitted)
Episode eight is...

It might not be that it's over when the writing is done.
Is it okay to say this? I might worry you.
Before, BT-san used to say things like this. If it were him, would he really say it? It might have a different meaning in that case. (TL note: Bit unsure here)

Episode eight has (a) choice(s)
You become a character and make choices from his point of view.
>There's also (a) bad end(s)
>The choice(s) are pretty tough.
Seeing the murder for the first time, you might not be able to understand at first.

>> No.6500910

>>6500896
Look, about George/Shannon. I have no intention of defending the pairing because it creeps me out too. My point is just that Ryukishi did not lie when he said that George and Shannon are genuinely lovers in an interview. They are. Their relationship may be horribly unhealthy, but it isn't a lie.

>Okay, this was stated in Ep7? Because good, that's one more thing to check off on my list, then.
Uh, yeah. Did you read EP7 with ATLAS or something?

>> No.6500917

>>6500896
>I am looking at the facts, and it's pretty clear to me that Yasu is dead by the time of Nanjo's death
Except that Shannon/Kanon's death was confirmed illusion by Will.
She just played dead when Battler found her and George.
Battler didn't focus on her and she already managed to fool the parents in the first twilight.

And the Kanon/Jessica scene make sense that way.

>> No.6500919

>>6500897

There's a choice in Minagoroshi that doesn't change anything at all, and is just a test of how much the player trusts K1.

>>6500907

Ah, okay, good. So it's really just a) motive and b) Nanjo that are bothering me.

>> No.6500929

>>6500908
Somehow I totally missed the line about a bad end. I stand corrected.

>> No.6500933

>>6500917
He doesn't say a damn thing in red and is vague on purpose.

I fail to see how it's ''confirmed''.

>> No.6500948

>>6500917

She didn't fool the parents so much as having Nanjo as a handler.

Furthermore, the scene with George "reviving" her has her being killed immediately right afterward... and then there's 07141129 written on the door...

>> No.6500951
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6500951

Come into this Thread.

Suddenly....Last Episode of Umineko.....With choices.

I am i going to play Heavy Rain or what?

>> No.6500960

>>6500948
So what?
That just mean Yasu played Shannon for a bit to lure George and then killed him.
Then she wrote the code on the door and played dead.
Once again Battler barely looked at her.

>> No.6500961

I like how everyone just forgets about OP

>> No.6500964

>>6500951
Working on Rewrite was probably the enlightenment for R07. Yes, when you have many ideas, you can put them all in your visual novel thanks to this awesome "route" concept.

>> No.6500966

>>6500961
I gave the OP what he wanted.

>> No.6500967

>>6500908

For the record, Episode 7 is "The end of the mystery".

It was omitted because it was posted first on Gamefaqs in a thread that isn't used for spoilers past what is translated.

Just in case anyone is wondering.

>> No.6500970
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6500970

...There is always one truth inside the cat box.
No matter what happens outside the cat box...it shouldn't sway the truth.

And yet...through the influence of events outside the cat box, I am able to affect how the contents of the box will be observed.

>> No.6500975

>>6500960
>That just mean Yasu played Shannon for a bit to lure George and then killed him.

...Why? Why kill George?

It's always a question of motive. Ep7 does not answer this despite all of the things Will says about it. Stop acting like it does.

>Once again Battler barely looked at her.

This makes no difference. Every single corpse he witnesses, ever, is dead for real. The only times that the 'corpses' in question are actually alive is when he only hears about them.

>> No.6500980
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6500980

In the human world, the red truth doesn't exist.
We look and listen to things ourselves...then decide what we believe, and accept that as the red truth.

>> No.6500990

>>6500961
OP already had a answer >>6500574

>>6500948
>>6500960
I still wonder why to bother writing the code...

>> No.6500992
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6500992

...What's the difference between shooting for revenge and shooting to stay alive?

>> No.6500997

>>6500975
Yasu killed him because she wanted to continue the epitaph, same reason why she staked corpses.
And once again the adults saw her body too.
Even if Nanjo was there, so what? They have fucking eyes.
If she can fake her death in their presence she can do the same with Battler.
And stop being so persistent about this, it's not like it's important.
Episode 3 is just a fiction that is supposed to have been solved completely.

>> No.6501020

>>6500997
>If she can fake her death in their presence she can do the same with Battler.

No she can't. He's the detective and his viewpoint is supposed to be objective even if he doesn't have the Authority.

>Episode 3 is just a fiction that is supposed to have been solved completely.

I actually don't buy this. There's still quite a few niggling little details from the first four games that just call out to me when reading them.

Furthermore, what was the point of the fake deaths in Ep5/6 if they don't relate to Ep1-4 at all? Hell, we still don't have answers for those two games.

>> No.6501030

Is anything actually revealed in EP7?

>> No.6501033

>>6501030
The servants aren't the culprits.

>> No.6501034

>>6501020
Did you even read episode 6?
It's stated that Battler didn't have any special power during episode 1-4.

>> No.6501052

>>6501034

People keep bringing this up as a defense for YASU KILLED EVERYONE LOL, but it directly contradicts what Dlanor says in the previous game about Battler's viewpoint being objective.

I think Lambda just meant that he was unable to warp reality to his liking in the way that Erika can.

>>6501030

Most major fan-theories were confirmed, even the Taiwan theory, oddly enough.

Although there's some evidence that said theory was originally spread by Ryukishi himself.

>> No.6501056

>>6501034
He is incompetent but was still the detective of the story, he just isn't a Witch's personal piece like Erika was and could not appeal for Red Truth.

>> No.6501059

>>6501033
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the only real truth that was revealed.

I am almost at the "Fuck R7" point. Just a little bit more.

>> No.6501076

>>6501033
...Yeah they are.

>>6501059
The entire truth was revealed in EP7. You're a dumbass.

>> No.6501077

>>6501052
Viewpoint being objective doesn't fucking mean he has some weird powers like being able to detect people being dead.
He can be misled.
Stop being retarded please.

>> No.6501091

>>6501052
>>6501059
>Most major fan-theories were confirmed
>I wouldn't be surprised if that's the only real truth that was revealed.

Suddenly, we find out that Bern has in fact been trolling Featherine, the Taiwan theory is wrong, Yasu never existed and almost everything said in EP7 is fantasy.

>> No.6501094

>>6501077
It means that what he confirms as a detective is fact.

When it comes to corpses he is sure are dead, he can't be misled.

Isn't this in Dlanor's rulebook?

>> No.6501104

>>6501076

Yasu is the culprit, not the servants.

Also, Yasu's name is a direct fuck-you to the fans from R7. 'Yasu is the culprit' is a minor meme in Japan, in the same vein as 'Aeris dies'.

>The entire truth was revealed in EP7. You're a dumbass.

I bet you said that after Ep6, too.

>>6501077

If you are going to go this route, you might as well say that everyone whose death was not confirmed is still alive, even if Battler saw inside their skull.

Oh wait, people actually are doing that. Fucking retards.

>> No.6501109

>>6501094

It is, which is why Yasu being around to kill Nanjo is completely fucking retarded.

She's dead, Jim.

>> No.6501111

People are still arguing about episode 1-4 when it's directly stated that they are irrelevant and only there to hint at Beatrice true nature.
Enjoy arguing about some fanfictions within a fiction, guys.

>> No.6501114

>>6501104
>Yasu is the culprit, not the servants.

Yeah, but Yasu technically is a servant and the other servants are obviously assisting her. Also yes, I know about "hannin wa Yasu" but I don't see your point.

>I bet you said that after Ep6, too.
I did say that Shkannontrice was confirmed after EP6, and wow! I was right.

>> No.6501120

>>6501109
Alright then who killed her?
There is no gun next to the corpse, the door was closed, everyone was together.
Shannon and Kanon are confirmed not dead in the first twilight as well, so Yasu should have died later.
Fucking idiot everywhere.

>> No.6501125

People still believe in Shkanon?

Jesus christ, get back to /a/.

>> No.6501126

Regardless, this is all a gameboard, finally being solved and only solvable by Beatrice letting it be so.

I'm more interested in what's going to hit the fan in the Meta-World, than what happened on the board.

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>> No.6501144

>>6500970
This reminds me of the "Ange with Dirrhaea is on the island and Gohda cooks for her" screenshot from Requiem.
That one was real, right?

>> No.6501145

>>6501120
>Alright then who killed her?

Exactly, that's what I'm getting at. Remember that the final riddle in Ep6 still isn't solved?

>>6501114
>I did say that Shkannontrice was confirmed after EP6, and wow! I was right.

Plenty of idiots were claiming that 'all the mysteries had been revealed' as of Ep6 and that 'the game was over'.

>> No.6501160

>>6501145
>Plenty of idiots were claiming that 'all the mysteries had been revealed' as of Ep6 and that 'the game was over'.
I wasn't one of those people. But EP7 is a different story. We learned who is responsible for the mystery and Ryukishi has said that the mystery portion of the story is done. There are still a couple things about Yasu herself left to learn, and maybe those will come up in EP8, but as far as the objective answer to the mystery goes? We've got it.

>> No.6501163

>>6501145
It pretty much was, what have we learned from episode 7 exactly?

>> No.6501165

>>6501145
The final riddle of episode 6 was solved ages ago.

And I see where you are going now and by god you are a retard among retards.

>> No.6501168

>>6501160

We don't have a motive. At all.

>> No.6501169

>>6501126
I personally hope for Bern being imprisoned by Lambda and/or AuAu. It would be stupid not to give a reason of existence to all that talk about Bern/Erika in EP5/EP6.

>> No.6501181

>>6501165

It wasn't solved in the least, and calling me a retard over and over again will not change that.

-There are seventeen people.
-Erika, Shannon, and Kanon are all fictional characters. We knows this thanks to Ep7 and because Erika was obliterated by that final red.
-Yasu counts as one person.
-That's sixteen people. Where is the missing person?

It's simple. Stop being so buttravaged.

>> No.6501188

>>6501169

Battler will probably just point out the flaws in her reasoning, and she'll be trapped in a logic error forever.

Best ending.

>> No.6501189

>>6501168
Except we have, it has also been stated clearly in the game.
You are just refusing the answer, stop being delusional.

>> No.6501190

>>6501181
Are you blind? Or maybe you just never read over previous episodes.
>6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead!

>> No.6501194

>>6501181
>-Erika, Shannon, and Kanon are all fictional characters. We knows this thanks to Ep7 and because Erika was obliterated by that final red.

That's why I call you a retard.
Protip: THEY ARE ALL FUCKING FICTIONAL.
Erika exists at the same level as say Natsuhi or Eva or any other pieces, she "could have" been on the island and therefore was written in this particular story.
That's why I hate arguing with Umineko fags, you guys are all retarded.

>> No.6501202

>>6501190

Okay, so if they're fictional, and Erika is fictional, why do they count as people at some times rather than others?

>>6501189

'I did it because of love, lolololol' is not a motive. Takano had a motive. Yasu does not.


You people sound extremely angry with your THE MYSTERY IS OVER SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP ARRRRRRRGH and all.

>> No.6501203

>>6501120
To add to the clusterfuck, if E3's OP is to be wildly trusted, the 'Beatrice' who protected Jessica from Evatrice was Natsuhi.
Whoever was Evatrice had to kill her, too.

>> No.6501204

>>6501194

Why are the people confident that they've found the truth the angriest Umineko readers?

>> No.6501206

>>6501203

Ep3's OP? What?

>> No.6501212

>>6501202
>Okay, so if they're fictional, and Erika is fictional, why do they count as people at some times rather than others?
Shannon and Kanon can only exist one at a time.
And if you talk about the 18 vs 17 red text, there is no contradiction.
There are 18 visitors and 17 people including Erika on the island, that's all.

>> No.6501213

>>6501206
Oh, sorry. E4's OP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRXBCqJCstw
When you see the golden arrows and Evatrice's face, look closely at The Heart

>> No.6501217
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6501217

>>6501204
I don't know and it's terribly silly.

I, myself couldn't give two shits but, I expect something.

Every time it's ''LOL IT'S SOLVED RETARD'' and they never give decent backup for it, while those who say it's not tend to give reasons and actually argue.

>> No.6501220

>>6501204
I'm pretty sure it's just one guy.
I mean, all the posts calling other retards and saying all is over read exactly the fucking same since EP7 was out.
It's one autistic faggot that thinks he got everything because he can read japanese and can't go beyond the written text.

>> No.6501222

>>6501212
>only exist one at a time
>'6 people are dead'

...What?

>There are 18 visitors and 17 people including Erika on the island, that's all.

You're going to need to explain this one.

>> No.6501223

>>6501217
How is "Ryukishi said it was solved" and "there would be zero point to EP7 if it didn't contain answers" not backup?

>> No.6501227

>>6501204
Because I had to argue with idiots who kept repeating "there is no ShKanontrice is true you are an idiot" or "you are complely misinterpreting Umineko, it's a love story, there is no way Shannon and Kanon could be the same person it would ruin all the pairings" and shit for like 1 year, I'm pretty confirend that the great majority of this fandom is fucking retarded.

>> No.6501228

>>6501168
Jessica has a classic Christie one, except she doesn't have a lot of howdunnit.

>> No.6501230

>>6501217
The people who aren't saying LOL IT'S SOLVED RETARD are the same people who came up with the most retarded theories after episode 6 because they wouldn't agree with Shkanontrice.

Like "there are two Battlers on the island, Jessica (who is the real Battler) and Battler"

>> No.6501233

>>6501222
Being dead =/= existing.
Death is a permanent state. Once again stop being a retard please, it's aggravating.

>> No.6501235

>>6501223
It's not backup, you're just using Ryuk who's lied in the past and vague statements as a crutch so you don't have to think.

None of you give a single decent in-game theory or explanation.

>> No.6501245

>>6501213

What am I supposed to be looking--

Oh. Oh god.

"The eagle is engraved into her heart"...

WHAT.

>> No.6501254

>>6501233
>Being dead =/= existing.
>Death is a permanent state.

By your reasoning, Ryukushi must think that his ideal reader, you, is something of a retard not to call him out on this bullshit.

>> No.6501257

>>6501235
Ryukishi hasn't actually lied in the past, unless you REALLY want to fixate on a throwaway line about Erika not being so bad. You just can't accept what EP7 had to offer, so you do your best to deny confirmation that comes from even the writer himself. It comes off as really desperate.

>> No.6501262

>>6501254
From a certain point of view, if you have multiple personalities and you die, those separate personalities as people also die.

The Red Truth is vague.

>> No.6501263

>>6501228

Christie's culprits are always, always people who are considered above suspicion for some reason.

If we go by that, the culprit would probably have to be Natsuhi or Battler.

>>6501235
>None of you give a single decent in-game theory or explanation.

Exactly. Ep1-5 told us over and over again to never stop thinking, and what do Ep6 and 7 do? Encourage us to stop thinking.

I'm not going to do that. I am going to think until the very, very end.

>> No.6501269

"Beatrice" is the one who knows the truth of Rokkenjima, that is why Eva becomes Eva-Beatrice after Yasu, Ange after Eva, etc.
Natsuhi being the one who threw the baby down the cliff would make sense as being one Beatrice, since she could know about it

>> No.6501273

>>6501245
Well, it's a much more easily fakable death than the first twilight, for account.
>Jessica storms inside
>asks Nanjo if they are dead
>"Uh... yeah... strangulation... Duh..."
>pulls the stake out of Natsuhi and puts it in her pocket
>storms out screaming about Beatrice

>> No.6501274

>>6501257

He pretty much stated outright in interviews that Umineko was unsolvable, before Ep4 came out, just to troll readers.

Anti-mystery/fantasy was a trap, too.

>> No.6501275

>>6501254
I think most of Umineko is bullshit.
But that particular part isn't, it's simple logic.

For example George Washington existed in the past, but he doesn't exist anymore, right?
Because he is dead, he is still dead, his status screen still say DEAD.
Do you understand?
Explaining simple logic to Umineko fags is pretty hard so I doubt you do.

>> No.6501278

>>6501257
Well, wringing your hands and screaming ''IT'S ALL OVER RETARD'' when a series is not even over, seems silly to me.

I much rather listen to theories and debates rather than hand-wringing and denial.

>> No.6501286

>>6501263
I bet you were the samefag who kept repeating that ShKanontrice was a simple red herring.
Must be nice living in delusional land.

>> No.6501287

>>6501263
>Exactly. Ep1-5 told us over and over again to never stop thinking, and what do Ep6 and 7 do? Encourage us to stop thinking.
Not really, no. EP6 and EP7 gave us the "key" to solve the mystery, but if you want to go back and explain EP1 through EP4 in their entirety, you still have to do the work yourself.

>> No.6501291

>>6501275
You have to have existed, in order to cease to exist.

>> No.6501293

>>6501286

Actually, in a way, it was; we assumed multiple personality disorder, but the real answer was that Shannon and Kanon were never on the island in the first place.

>> No.6501306

>>6501286
Does anyone remember the guy who used to say Shkshitters?

That was me, and I was a staunch supporter of Shkanon. I was just trying to make the people who don't believe it look like raging morons.

>> No.6501312

>>6501293
Shannon and Kanon only exists within Yasu's imagination but she does play their roles and interact with other people using their identities.
That she has DID or not is irrelevant, she does act as them on the island.
So yeah they actually do exist on the island and ShKanontrice was right.

>> No.6501315

>>6501293
No, we assumed multiple personality disorder but the true answer was that they were imaginary friends acted out by the one person. Which makes them all the same person in the end, whether you call them Shkanontrice, Shkanongaptrice or Yasu.

>> No.6501316
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6501316

>>6501181
I don't know how to solve the two last closed rooms of EP6, but I know that for sure : the riddle about cups and coins is a clue to solve it.
TIP : the answer to the riddle is to fit the cups together.

Ok now, if someone knows how to solve it using the above, please tell me explicitly the answer because I'm a retard blah blah.

>> No.6501318

>>6501312
>but she does play their roles and interact with other people using their identities.

Okay, is this actually confirmed or just speculation? Because I've seen people who have actually played the episode arguing against that interpretation.

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6501322

>>6501306
I fucking knew it.

>> No.6501323

>>6501291
They did exist, one at a time.
That's the whole point.

>> No.6501324

>>6501316
Wrong, here's a clue to solve it: Shannon and Kanon are the same person.

>> No.6501333

>>6501287
I've reread a lot and I still don't know how come Jessica covers for Kanon in E1 with Natsuhi's obvious approval for being stupidly alone with a fat doctor a few rooms further, how did stuff happen in E2 because while Rosa could have killed the normal corpses, MIND YOU, YASU IS STAKED, who killed Nanjo and how did Jessica know shit in E2

>> No.6501338

>>6501318
These people are idiots then.
You see with your own eyes Yasu playing the role of Shannon.

>> No.6501340

>>6501333
*how did Jessica know shit in E4

>> No.6501345

>>6501318
It's confirmed.

You know, there would be no problem at all with Shannon and Kanon being in the same place at the same time, the absence of which was the first real evidence for Shaknon, if somebody wasn't the one person acting as both.

>> No.6501349

>>6501316
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5874312

Basically, the idea is that Battler's room is actually inside the cousin's room, so Yasu never has to actually leave the room to rescue Battler.

>> No.6501362

>>6501333
Battler saw Shannon's "corpse", but he didn't pay any attention to it and took her death as read. He was more focused on George's corpse. Battler seeing someone's body doesn't mean they're dead. He isn't a doctor.

Yasu killed Nanjo, along with her other two trusted friends Genji and Kumasawa, in episode 1. I don't see why she can't do it in episode 3.

>> No.6501368

>>6501324
Using that, it would mean one coin counts as three. That's just stupid. Ok, Shkanon is real, but it doesn't explain everything. So, an explicit answer, this time, please?

>> No.6501370

>>6501338
>>6501345

Sounds like someone doesn't understand the idea of "fictional characters".

Shannon and Kanon are characters written by Yasu; s/he never dressed up as anyone on the 'real' Rokkenjima. This explains why no one is ever smart enough to notice that Shannon and Kanon are never around at the same time.

It's the only version of the theory that makes any sense.

>> No.6501378

>>6501349
Woah what?

Yasu rescuing Battler?

Yasu is a gameboard entity, ''reality'' as we know it is in the Meta-world, Beatrice saves his ass in EP6 in the Meta-World, Bern ditching and all.

>> No.6501379

>>6501345
>>6501318
>>6501338
The different interpretations come down to whether you see it as "playacting" or not. Yasu "playacted" Shannon in the same way Maria "playacted" Sakutarou.

So in the end the way you phrase it comes down to whether you are anti-fantasy or not.

>> No.6501380

>>6501349
And that idea is stupid. You people think you can just make up whatever flights of fancy you want regarding these rooms.

You can't. That cousins room is one of the most featured rooms in Umineko, nobody ever mentioned a second room within there.

Yet Shkanontrice, which is confirmed, and an answer to the episode 6 puzzle that isn't just pulled out of someone's ass to try and fight against an obvious truth, solves the room as well.

Actually, I should say it is the only thing that solves that room. All other solutions are just grasps at straws.

>> No.6501386

>>6501362

Then explain Ep2 without resorting to Shannon faking a hole in her head.

>> No.6501394

>>6501370
The "real" version of Rokkenjima is irrelevant and we have never seen it. Stop switching one situation with the other. If we're talking about the mystery in episodes 1-4, which we were always talking about before this idea of the real Rokkenjima arose during late Chiru times, Yasu was acting as both Shannon and Kanon in the story.

>> No.6501397

>>6501380

How does it solve the room? No, explain, please.

>> No.6501401

>>6501386
After Yasu died, the murders stopped. Rosa, Maria, Genji and Battler were all killed by the bomb.

In before you try to use drunk Battler's third-person scene as evidence that someone, god knows who you want to say it was, was there in the study.

>> No.6501405

nanjo and the old butler (forgot name randomly) killed everyone, there best ending ever.

>> No.6501409

>>6501394

But that makes absolutely no sense.

Every single person who lives on that island would have to be a complete fucking retard to not realize that one servant is pretending to be two. We've been through this before.

I am not denying Shkanon, I am trying to explain it in a way that actually makes some logical sense.

>> No.6501415

>>6501401

Who killed Yasu? George? Why would he do so? And even if he did, why stake himself when he clearly had a gun?

>> No.6501424

Who the fuck was yasu again? Does this have too do with ep7? Also didn't you guys ever think about battlers real mom? Maybe shes still alive killing everybody?

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6501426

>>6501380
Kanon has Kinzo's title and he died inside the room. 'cause he, yknow, got shot.

So much easier than Shkanon. So much for "all other solutions."

>> No.6501432

>>6501409
Krauss bought land on the goddamn Moon, Kinzo is either dead or batshit crazy, Jessica dresses as Marisa at concerts and the servants might be in on it.

Everybody could be full retard.

Everybody else doesn't live there.

>> No.6501441

>>6501409
WELCOME TO MOTHERFUCKING UMINEKO.

ShKanontrice is fucking fact, it's also a fact that she pretended to be 2 people for like 3 years without anyone realizing it.

Don't like it? Blame Ryuukishi, not me.

>> No.6501442

>>6501424

Yasu is Shkanontrice's nickname from back when s/he was at Fukuin. It's just a more convenient way to refer to him/her.

As for Asumu, no one but me gives at shit anymore because LOL THE MYSTERY IS SOLVED FAGGOT FAGGOT RETARD RETARD RETARD JAYPEE IS TOUHOU ONRY

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6501446

>people arguing about Shkanontrice

Dear god, I thought we were done with this.

>> No.6501452

>>6501405
You know what?,. nanjo is a fucking doctor, doctors have to go through many years college so you would think nanjo is a fucking really smart and wise man. nanjo has barley any scenes and is most of the time completely forgotten, Do you guys see anything with this at all?

>> No.6501453

>>6501432
>>6501441

Come on guys. This is the same shit we went through after Ep6, and Ep7 at least tried to justify why Yasu is like that.

I am trying to justify it further. Is that so wrong?

>> No.6501455

>>6501424
Yasu probably killed herself.

And before someone goes "NO THAT'S DUMB" it's really not a stretch. Go reread the showdown between Kanon and Beatrice in EP1. All that talk of Kanon saying "he'd sacrifice his body to bring down her roulette"? He was trying to kill himself and take her with him.

>> No.6501456

>>6501401
That much is obvious.
The problem is, who killed her if it's a closed room and she doesn't have her key?

>> No.6501458

>>6501397
Kanon was the one who saved Battler. It was taken for granted that Kanon was inside the cousins room, but since he would be in the same place as Shannon, he was in the next room over.

Dlanor sealed using blue to explain that window, but in a scene with Ange and Featherine, Featherine says that there is probably now no answer to the room, and the loser will be the one who is burdened with the responsibility of explaining the situation.

Beatrice presents a solution to Lambda and says Kanon did it, which forces Erika to explain the room, rather than having someone else explain it to her. Erika trips up against her side's own blue seal, and removes that seal. Therefore, Beatrice and Battler never had to use blue truth with the windows, the seal was only a seal on blue truth. That's what they were aiming for.

Erika then attacks in the wrong direction, trying to make one name count for two separate bodies with that name, when the real solution was two names being assigned to the same body - Shannon and Kanon.

Yasu uses the window, goes to Battler, and uses "Kanon" to save him. Then, either Yasu dies, Yasu starts acting as Shannon or as herself instead, or Yasu kills off both Shannon and Kanon, as she would have done in episode 3 first twilight.

>> No.6501462

>>6501446

Me too, but apparently RETARD RETARD RETARD FAGGOT.

>> No.6501469

>>6501409
Anyway, Yasu=Shannon=Kanon doesn't work. In EP5, at some point in the game, all characters are in the same room (so with Erika). That means that at this moment, Yasu was faking Kanon/Shannon and the other one was a real person.

>> No.6501470

Sorry, >>6501455 was in response to >>6501415

>> No.6501474

>>6501415
Yasu wasn't staked. There was a wound in her head and a stake was lying nearby.

>> No.6501478

>>6501469
Goddam you must a troll or something.

>> No.6501479

>>6501455

Yasu can't have died last. A stake was stuck in the bullet wound.

George had to have staked her, and unless they were in a suicide pact, nothing makes any sense.

>> No.6501480

>>6501469
Not this shit again.

You know what, just be a retard. Just sit there, and be a retard all you want. I'm not explaining this for the 20th time.

>> No.6501485

>>6501415
>Also didn't you guys ever think about battlers real mom? Maybe shes still alive killing everybody?

She was until Eva killed her.

>> No.6501486

>>6501479
>A stake was stuck in the bullet wound.
No it wasn't.

How can a stake even be stuck there when she was face-down and Battler had to lift up her head to see the hole?

>> No.6501487

>>6501479
Read that part again, she wasn't actually staked.

>> No.6501489

>>6501480

RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD RETARD


Why are you always so buttmad, anon?

>> No.6501501

>>6501487
>>6501486

I seem to remember a stake dropping out of her head in the anime. Perhaps it's different in the game, but I don't want to go through the trouble of checking.

Even if she wasn't staked, where did the gun go?

>> No.6501502

>>6501489
Because you are pretty retarded and delusional.

Not the same guy, by the way, though I know you'll call samefag regardless.

>> No.6501504

>>6501489
Maybe because shit that was supposed to be solved with episode 7 is still going on because of how retarded you are? It's annoying.

>> No.6501505

>>6501380
There is one important thing about this puzzle.

The part of Beatrice which could solve the room by showing itself was NOT used to solve it. Beato remembered her old self after the duel and used an other, cheap trick.

Like the wirehanger one. Van Dine has a mystery where the culprit uses a wire hanger to make the chain longer and gets out of the room, or so I heard.

>> No.6501520

>>6501505
Actually, she used a trick that would make it so it wasn't even a mystery. Battler stated that "the humans" would start complaining it wasn't a mystery again. What he's referring to is Shkanontrice, which everyone rages about.

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6501525

I didn't think it was possible to still argue that ShKannon didn't exist after EP07.

>> No.6501527

>>6501520

If this is true Umineko isn't a mystery at all.

ITT: People reading into poorly-translated lines way too much.

>> No.6501537

>>6501504
I am challenging you to making ten polite posts, see if you can do it, same-san.

>> No.6501544

>>6501525
I don't think anybody is arguing about it here, the samefag is just hysterical to be confronted with other statements that do not deny ShKanon yet contradict his.

>> No.6501545

>>6501537
The Umineko fanbase is so hopeless I can't do that in an Umineko thread. I am constantly fulfilling the challenge in other threads.

>> No.6501550

>>6501442
Fuck /jp/ and its random theories and nicknames, If it wasn't in the game why take it so seriously? I get so confused when i come into these threads even after i just played all the games. Its like you people just make random shit up when nothing was explianed at all. I don't know what you guys are going by but to me the ending wasn't solved at all, so ill stick with something crazy might happen with battlers mom and maybe nanjo. heck even the magic side of things could be all real. Its like trying to figure out higurashi with ep 4 with the aliens and shit. We don't know shit about anything in this game and where trying to solve it.

>> No.6501553

>>6501525
Not like it matters, since probabl Shannon and Kanon only appeared there because it was Yasu's fanatsy and real world Rokkenjima only had Yasu and not Shannon and kanon bullshit.

>> No.6501558

>>6501550
"Yasu" was in episode 7. Many times. It's a nickname, but it's a canon nickname. It's what all the other Fukuin servants called him/her.

>> No.6501560

>>6501480
And if I say please, would you explain it again?

>> No.6501561

>>6501520
A contradictory statemant. Shkanontrice is an AWFUL mystery, but it has foreshadowings and is generally viable by any reader.

>> No.6501572

>>6501553
Real world Rokkenjima probably just has Shannon (Yasu acting as Shannon). Kanon might be there too, but as someone who's only known to Jessica and Shannon as a character they use to pretend they aren't lesbians.

>> No.6501574

>>6501550
Read EP7 when it comes out and stop whining.

>> No.6501576

>>6501558
o alright, i didn't read ep 7 yet, so my bad.

>> No.6501577

>>6501553
She acted as Shannon and Kanon in the real world as well.
Good job arguing when you didn't read episode 7 though.

>> No.6501578

>>6501561
And Beatrice says it's a wonderful trick, and that anyone with love can see that. Battler is just warning Beatrice that people will rant about how it's not a mystery. Which people do. He didn't actually say it wasn't.

>> No.6501619

I AM LYING TO YOU, PUTTING MYSELF ON THE STAKES CLAIMING TO HAVE KILLED EVERYONE TO SAVE YOU FROM THE CRUEL TRUTH WHICH IS TO SAY I'VE FAILED TO KILL SOME OF THEM

>> No.6501630

>umineko
>fighting game
I'm so hyped

>> No.6501651

>>6501577

I'm seriously gonna need real confirmation for this.

>> No.6501671

>>6501651
Putting aside the backstory in EP2 and EP7, Kanon and Shannon both show up in different parts of the EP7 tea party.

>> No.6501678

>>6501671
No they don't. Neither of them turn up.

>> No.6501681

>>6501671

Really? I wasn't aware that they even appeared in that Tea Party.

>> No.6501689

Yasu is basically given two motives in Episode 7.

One is her motive as the culprit within the stories of the message bottles, which revolves around her "split soul", the mess with George, Jessica, Battler et all, and the "roulette of fate" stuff. Will solves this and successfully lays Beatrice to rest by solving 1-4 with Yasu as the culprit.

The other is her motive for writing and throwing out the message bottle stories to begin with, which is stated to be "to save the people who would be hurt by the truth". Will seems to realize this, because he is extremely protective of Yasu and flat-out shrugs off Lion's question at the end of "What really happened?"

So my speculation is that what was solved in Episode 7 was definitely the mystery - which we were handed in 1-4. But it's, so to speak, a "fake" mystery that Yasu wrote that was, yes, based on her real feelings (her desperation and despair about Shkanontrice is true, she's wished for a place where everything can be granted), born out of a desire to be understood and forgiven, so solving it saves Beatrice - but painting herself as the culprit and murderer was a genuine scapegoat act to cover up everything. Beato didn't half-ass the scapegoat deal; she never intended for the real truth to get out. I think there is a reason that almost all the hints towards Kyrie and the setup for a potentially larger conspiracy explicitly come from outside of her catbox - Episode 4 and Episode 6.

>> No.6501712

>>6501678
Go read the fucking episode. Kanon welcomes everyone to Rokkenjima at the beginning, and then we see a really long scene with George and Shannon talking.

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