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>slowpoke.jpg

Which ending did you get?
Good
Bad
Worst

The first ending was bad. I wanted things to be more interesting but didnt get what was anticipated.

>> No.6489167
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>also slowpoke.jpg

Depends on which you consider good/bad/worst, took the Kouji winnan route. Was kind of sad but at least he's a insane badass now. Wish I got to see Saya bloom though... might play that route tomorrow.

Pic related, my expression throughout the whole VN.

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6489177

Did someone say Saya? Because I thought I heard someone say Saya.

>> No.6489245

Worst story ending short
Bad everyone dying except Kouji
Good Saya blooming

>> No.6489264

Not this shit again.

>> No.6489273

I got all routes...

>> No.6489302

>>6489264
You don't like Saya?

>> No.6489313

>>6489245
It all depends on perspective..

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>>6489167
Saya blooming probably consisted of multiple over-grown pollen sacks exploding in a bloody mess and taking the rest of the thing with it.

Pic related, saya with pollen sacks all ready for blooming.

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>Which ending did you get?

>> No.6489551

>>6489442
I'm assuming after he achieved one ending, he quit the game.

>> No.6489599

Hello OP, welcome to this new world that is /jp/. Please avoid memes around here. Do not bump after a few minutes for no reason and do not angry at sage.
Now to your question: people saved and tried all endings.

>> No.6489943

>>6489245
Going from a more human perspective:
Good Nonstandard Game Over ending, least amount of people die, human race stays the same, it's only sad for two individuals, one of which is an alien/interdimensional creature.
Bad Kouji's victory ending. Multiple people are killed and humanity was almost transformed.
Worst Humanity transforming. Deemed the worst purely due to an "End of the World as we Know it" scenario. Hell, it's barely happy for Saya and Fuminori.

This is taking a kind of "Human life + humanity being more important than a strange love" type of deal, especially since Fuminori is clearly evil after passing the moral event horizon, and so is Saya for that matter.

>> No.6489955

>>6489943
Thank you.

>> No.6489960

>>6489955
Feels like a kind of redundant post, but I feel like people should at least explain their perspective.

Also, I'm a huge fan of Call of Cthulhu roleplay, and I find that just having people survive is a "good" ending to any horror story.

>> No.6489965

Too bad they didnt showed us how humanity would look like after that transformation thing.

>> No.6489975

>>6489965
If they had shown us, we would've had a general idea of what Saya truly looked like, which seemed like something they didn't want us to know.

I personally just assume they looked like what Fuminori saw people as before the fact.

>> No.6489981

The only ending I liked was Kouji's.
It was also a nice throwback to the usual Lovecraft ending.

>> No.6489985

OP is reported for greentext.

>> No.6489990

>>6489975
I doubt his sight is somehow just opposite of reality. He simply saw awful things nice, no matter if they where some horrible monster from other dimension or some mutated human.

Too bad they dont want to show us how saya really looks like.

>> No.6490011

>>6489943
Am I out of line in thinking that a lot of /jp/ types should really identify with Fuminori a lot, even after he goes off the deep end? What's her face breaking into his house trying to extract him out into society again, the neighbors complaining about the smell...

Besides, Fuminori was literally in a living hell; I'm not sure calling him straight up evil is quite accurate considering his circumstances

>> No.6490018

>>6489990
I suppose that's true enough, I just used it as a general point of reference.
>>6489981
I personally find that ending to be my own canon one, just because it fits Lovecraft so well as a story of interdimensional beings and horror where only a handful of people are killed, one insane man left, and a world that will easily forget that anything so horrifying even took place...for now.

Plus I got Saya no Uta in a lovecraft-horror type mood. I want more Lovecraftian based things with emphasis on characters, Lovecraft hates his human characters.

>> No.6490022

>>6490011
You can call him crazy and evil, maybe, but you can't say he's not evil.
He consciously makes the decision to murder, rape, and cannibalize people. Now he might make this decision while being batshit insane, but crazy and evil is still evil.

>> No.6490028

>>6490018
You meantioned "Lovecraft" three times in your posts, so I guess you must be really into that stuff. Its chutulu and all that stuff right? And there is anime where chutulu is little girl in winter.

>> No.6490033

>>6490028
It was four times actually.
Also, the Cthulhu mythos isn't Lovecraft's only work.

>> No.6490036

>>6490028
Yeah, I'm not a VN type of guy, I've actually just had seperate loves of animu related stuff and horror my whole life.
Saya no Uta combined the two in a terrifying way. Really stuck to me. All though one key thing Lovecraft made sure to do was never make his otherwordly creatures human in any capacity, which is the biggest difference in this case.
I have no clue about an anime where Cthulhu is a little girl in winter, but I'm not sure I'd care to.

>> No.6490049

>>6490022
If he made that decision while wholly sane I would support him. The entire first half of the game was about the uselessness of morals.

>> No.6490058

There's no "good" ending.

>> No.6490077

>>6490033
But it is probably his most popular one so I mentioned it. And I dont know any other ones, and in fact I dont know anything about Chutulu too cut I know hes some kind of octopus monster. Doomday monsters just aint my thing.
>>6490036
Oh my bad. This anime will air in winter season. Its not a story about chutulu that transforms into little girl every winter. It fits right in in moeblob anime industry. YOu may want to check that out, its all im saying.

>> No.6490085

>>6490049
Just my personal thoughts, but if morals are unimportant then what do you go by? Your selfish feelings?

Then if he is good or evil all depends on who you are. If you are him of course Fuminori and Saya are good. If you are Kouji or Ryoko then they are good and he and Saya are evil. If it just depends on what angle you look from then you can't compare anyway.

>>6490077
I'll...look into it, thanks.

>> No.6490096

>>6490085
>Then if he is good or evil all depends on who you are. If you are him of course Fuminori and Saya are good. If you are Kouji or Ryoko then they are good and he and Saya are evil. If it just depends on what angle you look from then you can't compare anyway.

That's exactly it. That's why he wasn't wrong in killing people who looked like monsters to him. All he did was follow his honest desires.

>> No.6490103

>>6490022
He was in a living hell and doing it all to support the one person, the one thing that made his life worth something. From an objective standpoint I suppose you could call him evil, since he was definitely conscious of what he was doing.

Still, his only other real option was suicide. Or learning to live in a world full of growling rotten meat creatures, I guess.

>> No.6490110

>>6490096
That's exactly what society defines as evil.
>>6490103
He had a choice to change before the moral event horizon, remember this. He could've gone back to normal and not become the monster himself. But he didn't, for selfish reasons he chose to continue to murder more. Sounds pretty evil, bro.

>> No.6490115

>>6490103
I should add that raping that other girl who was crushing on him after Saya infected her or whatever was probably taking it a bit too far. It's been a while since I read Saya, though, so I might not have some details straight.

>> No.6490117

>>6490110
So? Society isn't the standard for right.
If you're fine with deciding things like that, then I guess I can't fault you though...but you should be careful when you call something not evil evil.

>> No.6490120

>>6490110
Did he have the option to go back to normal? I don't remember that part.

>> No.6490125

>>6490117
Society is the ONLY way to define evil. If you take your point of view there is no good or evil. By evil's only definition, Fuminori is evil. Evil has to be a mass consensus, it defeats the purpose to have an individual concept of it.

>> No.6490130

>>6490120
The first choice path you get to make in the game is this choice.

>> No.6490152

>>6489960
>Also, I'm a huge fan of Call of Cthulhu roleplay

I'm a fan of Lovecraft's work myself, never tried the Call of Cthulhu RPG. Brofist anyway.

>>6490036
>I have no clue about an anime where Cthulhu is a little girl in winter, but I'm not sure I'd care to.

It's actually about Nyarlathotep, not Cthulhu. It's very moe, which I'm not sure is exactly appropriate considering the subject matter. I don't have high hopes for it.

>> No.6490155

I watched a playthrough on youtube (no sex scenes, only the bloom ending). I checked the other ones out, contrary to you guys, I like the Kouji ending the least for some reason. I can't help but feel like shedding a tear when I realize that Saya&Fuminori end up apart/DEEEEEEAD in all endings. Fuminori's voiceacting also got incredibly good near the end (the music+him calling out to Saya still haunt me).
Honestly, all endings are "bad", but they are all good in the story-sense. This is the best spiritual successor to Frankenstein I've seen.

>> No.6490164

>>6490130
That bit about the experimental brain surgery thing that hot doctor was talking about near the beginning? I swear I don't remember that.

Then again, I don't even remember most of the characters' names.

>> No.6490167

>>6490152
Isnt it the same fucking shit?

>> No.6490170

>>6490152
Nyarlahothep would make sense, since he's the only being in the Mythos to ever have any sense or reason. Still, I have to be curious.

I do also read his short stories, if you are also a fan, it's just the RPG that really got me into it. I've written maybe 5 or so campaigns and I love doing it. Actually, Saya no Uta made me really want to write a 6th one, one with more emphasis on the people involved rather than the creatures, for once.

>>6490155
I know exactly where you are coming from, while I try to think objectively as a human moralfag, I can't help but feel for the star-crossed lovers, fated to never be together, no matter how cruel their actions became at the end, they were MOSTLY just trying to be together.

>>6490164
No, its was Saya telling Fuminori she can fix his view of the world after making the neighbour guy like him (causing him to go nuts, kill his family, and rape Saya). One of the choices is to be fixed by Saya.

>> No.6490173

>>6490155
I forgot to mention: Did anyone HNNNNGH at the fact that Saya supposedly overcame her nature and purpose? Nevermind Yoh and the other ho, she actually tried being as human as possible. I don't know, I maybe didn't explain it right, but I found it incredibly beautiful (and tragic). The white room ending really leaves you thinking how tear-worthy her existence would have been, trying to find Doc (impossible, he hid his body well) all alone in an alien world, her last chance of willing contact locked away and unable to look at her.

>> No.6490179

>>6489943

The blooming of Saya is not the death or transformation of the human world. It was explained later by Ryouko that the organism's seeds scatter throughout the dimensions, or different worlds. Saya became human through her own assimilation of human emotions, understanding, and knowledge.

>> No.6490185

>>6490173
Oh man, I totally agree. I would've quit at that ending if it weren't for how shitty I felt leaving Saya like that. >>6490179
Ryoko mentioned in that ending about how she had to cut off her body parts that were changing, since she was transforming slowly because of the thin air of the mountains warding off the seeds a bit, but it was only time before she would transform as well. You can't get around the fact that humans transformed in that ending. She talked about how she was one of the few ones left, probably.

>> No.6490215

All endings in saya no uta are bad endings.

Have a little pride in your specie.

>> No.6490217

>>6490125
Then you can simply not define evil at all.

>> No.6490222

>>6490217
No, you can, you just can't define it perfectly objectively.

If we're going to argue semantics, then I'll just say this:
If I showed the scenario that Fuminori went through, involving his actions and reasonings, and showed them to some random person on the street, they would most likely consider Fuminori a bad man. That is what I mean by evil. His crimes would not be justified in the eyes of the masses.

>> No.6490224

Saya isn't evil considering she is from a different species who operate on a different set of values.

Funimori though is insane and evil.
He may sees other as monster but he knows that the problem come from him and that these monsters are just normal humans.
Yet he doesn't hesitate to kill and eat them.
He betrayed humanity and is therefore evil.

>> No.6490229

>>6490222
But why does that matter?

>> No.6490233

One of the things I like about this VN is that all the characters are relatable. They strike a delicate balance between making Saya and Fuminori Evil, yet still sympathetic in the second half. You can't help but feel sad when they die, even if it's for the best.

>> No.6490240

>>6490229
I don't know, why does it matter to you to consider him to be not evil?

>>6490233
Isn't that what is just perfect in this type of tragedy? That's the kind of shit that keeps you thinking about it when you're done.

>> No.6490246

The short ending was the last one I got, and that one was actually my favorite.

>> No.6490251

>>6490240
Because you said you can call him what you want but you can't say he isn't evil. I find nothing wrong in his actions.

>> No.6490258

>>6490224
Agreed 100%

>> No.6490261

>>6490246
You might be able to tell me then..
I remember Saya slipping Fuminori a note - what did it say?

>> No.6490268

>>6490251
Well that is the fun of individual morals. But at the end of the day, Fuminori did a lot of harm to other people for selfish reasons, and that is the consensus of what passes for evil these days, friend. It's the masses' concept that's what is important for the word, not the individuals. Haven't I been through this?

>> No.6490277

This thing was so poignant as hell. I should go get it and read it again.

>> No.6490278

>>6489316
And people still think we never saw what saya looked like? >:?

>> No.6490279

>>6490268
You said you weren't really a VN guy, but i think you should really read Sharin no Kuni.
It's a lot about society, morals, judgment, punishment and such. I believe you would enjoy it.

>> No.6490280

>>6490279
Well when I said I wasn't a VN guy, I meant more like I have no experience with them.
But, yeah, I am taking recommendations so thanks a lot! If I enjoy it I'll probably post about it on /jp/, you know, when I get around to it.

I'll add it to my list.

>> No.6490300

Character development summary:

Fuminori. After his accident, doctors perform purely experimental theoretical surgery on his brain. From then on, he saw only flesh and guts everywhere and spends all his time with Saya. His malcontent turns to hate. He becomes like primal form of Saya.

Saya understands little of good or evil. She feeds off humans to sustain her own existence. In the end, she becomes human.

Kouji is driven insane by his hatred of Fuminori for killing his only friends.

Is anyone really evil?

>> No.6490315

>>6490167
If you mean Lovecraft's writings being the same shit as the CoC RPG, the RPG takes some influences from the other writers in the Lovecraft circle, or so I've heard, so it's not exactly the same.

If you mean Cthulhu and Nyarlathotep are the same, er... no.Cthulhu is rather weak when compared to other mythos beings. Nyarlathotep, on the other hand, is Azathoth's messenger, which makes him extremely powerful, probably second only to Azathoth (although I can't remember if Azathoth or Yog-Sothoth is more powerful). Regardles, he's one of the most powerful beings in the mythos. It's a bit like comparing humans to Cthulhu.

Polite sage as I'm a bit off-topic.

>> No.6490326

>>6490268
It's the consensus, but so what? If the majority of people believed punching a wall cured illness, does that make punching a wall a cure for illness? Good and even don't matter one bit.

>> No.6490329

>>6490326
>evil
sigh

>> No.6490340

>>6490315
Yeah, I see Cthulhu, or even the Great Old Ones in general, as a bit like humans. Cthulhu was actively opposed by beings far out of his league, but he still got off that immortality trick up and now Ithaqua is working on getting around the limitations set by the Elder Ones.

That's why I was dismayed when he was almost relegated to comic relief in Demonbane.

>> No.6490348

>>6490326
Morals are the cause of the entire justice system, if they aren't worth anything then society on the whole isn't worth anything. If you want to get into THAT arguement, this is certainly not the place. Also your comparison is flawed as morals are an idea or theory while curing illnesses is physical, measurable thing.

Saging for redundancy on both of our parts.

>> No.6490365

>>6490348
I have the feeling a lot of people here would agree that society as a whole isn't worth anything. Even if it does support their lazy asses in some way or produce computers to read the internet on and get porn and games from.

>> No.6490367

>>6490348
The "justice system" is only something that exists because it must in the circumstances, and nothing more.

>> No.6490382

>>6490367
And why must it exist? To stop people who do the things that Fuminori does, y'know, people who are BAD or...I dunno, "evil"?

>> No.6490394

>>6490382
No, because people don't want to die and they also need order. That doesn't mean Fuminori's doing anything "wrong", just that what he's doing is incompatible with the circumstances.

I think the problem here is that you're just too human.

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>>6490394
>I think the problem here is that you're just too human.

>> No.6490417

>>6490405
He thinks of himself as belonging to the human race and thus can't see the whole picture.

>> No.6490418

>>6490394
"Too human", that's a funny term. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be insulting or derogatory or what. My point still stands either way, Fuminori harmed people without remorse for selfish reasons, under all modern conventions of good and evil, he was evil.

>> No.6490429

>>6490417
Kind of funny, since you are talking from the most narrow point of view: The individual's.

>> No.6490440

>>6490417
Then what, may I ask, do you think of YOURSELF as?

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Fuck it, let's get back to Saya no Uta as much as I don't want to.. Sorry about the derail OP.

>> No.6490462

>>6490429
Not really, I understand Kouji and so on would have every reason to kill Fuminori with much pleasure. If Fuminori was out to get me I'd want him dead in the gutter myself. That doesn't really mean I find what he's doing to be "wrong". It just so happens that I don't want it to happen. Calling it evil certainly seems out of the way, much more narrow than my way of seeing things I think.

>>6490440
Myself. I see no real reason to attach myself to humans. If my brain was in the body of some alien species nothing would change as far as I care.

>> No.6490478

>>6490462
I'm done here, you obviously just don't want to consider another view point from your own, and that's fine. Just understand that I'm coming from a normal perspective shared by the majority, which is why it is considered valid.

>>6490460
Back to the stuff, I hate to be a typical faggot, but Saya no Uta was my only VN and I only beat it the other night. I just randomly read the concept in some /v/ thread and it sounds like an interesting premise.

Boy was that an understatement.

At night I still have to do my best to not think about the game too much.

>> No.6490490

>>6490478
>Just understand that I'm coming from a normal perspective shared by the majority, which is why it is considered valid.
>majority
>which is why it is considered valid

I give up too. I don't mean to be rude, but I think you're a completely blind moron.

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>>6490418
>>6490394
>>6490382
>>6490348


seriously? why in every fucking saya thread is there always two goddamn retards arguing about morals.

let me clarify this for the both of you so you can both shut the fuck up and move on with your lives.


Saya - not evil, she eats people as a food source, she is an alien, if you said she was evil for eating humans that would be just as retarded as saying a human is evil for eating cows, it's called survival of the fittest for a goddamn reason

fuminori - is not evil, his views of the world were completely twisted, a lot of the things humans experience are taken in using their eyes, sense all of his senses were distorted, it's pretty believable he would do the things he did; if you were surrounded by stinky, gross-smelling fleshbeasts that look like something that crawled out of your nightmares, you'd do the exact fucking same too.

Kouji - is not evil, he was scared and very worried about his friend, even though he should have just left fuminori the fuck alone in the first place

Yoh - is not evil, she should have just left him alone though

Dr.Tanbo - probably the most "evil" character in this game, but she's still not that evil, she just was trying to protect herself from being turned into an alien, and didn't want the human race to be transformed

In Conclusion, morals are what you as an induvidual believe in, there is no official set of morals, even if society sets up thier own, evil is what you believe it is, good is what you believe it is

next time take your shitposting to >>>/b/, its where shitposts belong

>> No.6490507

Fuminori's actions were evil because he people who were relatively his equals for reasons that didn't come anywhere close to justifying his actions. Same goes for Saya. Granted that's just how Saya is and Fuminori went crazy but it's still evil.

>> No.6490511

>>6490500
One of the themes of the game was morals and you're saying not to discuss it in a thread about the game?

>> No.6490518

>>6490500
Gotta disagree with Fuminori man, he may be insane but he knew what he was doing.

He made a conscious decision to kill, rape, and eat people. He never said "but they aren't people, they are monsters!" when he decided to change his ways, he specifically told Saya that he knew they were people but he would do all this shit anyway.

>> No.6490528

>Saya - not evil, she eats people as a food source, she is an alien, if you said she was evil for eating humans that would be just as retarded as saying a human is evil for eating cows, it's called survival of the fittest for a goddamn reason

My memory is a bit vague since it's been a while but I'm pretty sure Saya could live off of squirrels and other animals. Humans are equal to her in intelligence so there's really no justification for her killing them.

>fuminori - is not evil, his views of the world were completely twisted, a lot of the things humans experience are taken in using their eyes, sense all of his senses were distorted, it's pretty believable he would do the things he did; if you were surrounded by stinky, gross-smelling fleshbeasts that look like something that crawled out of your nightmares, you'd do the exact fucking same too.

Sure, he was crazy. That doesn't make his actions any less evil. He was still evil from his perspective too since he still knew that the "monsters" he was fighting and eating were beings that were equal to him.

>> No.6490543

>>6490518
Actually he did say/think something like that. That he was just slaying a monster or something.

>> No.6490549

>>6490543
He mentioned it once at the end when planning to murder Kouji, but it was just in relative terms. "Kouji will hesitate to kill me because he sees me as normal, but I wont hesitate because I only see a monster when I kill him".

He doesn't denounce his understanding that Kouji isn't human, just that the way his vision is fucked will help him where it will hinder Kouji.

>> No.6490554

Everything done for love is always beyond good and evil.

>> No.6490556

I, for one, always love reading the debates that accompany Saya threads. It's fun to see people with all sorts of viewpoints argue who was truly wrong or "evil" in the story.

Morals are relative things set by groups of people in a desire to feel safe. For Fuminori, there was no hope of ever feeling safe again, so morals had no meaning to him.

>> No.6490559

>if you were surrounded by stinky, gross-smelling fleshbeasts that look like something that crawled out of your nightmares, you'd do the exact fucking same too.

If I knew those odoriferous, nightmarish fleshbeasts were humans, and that my perception of reality was distorted, there's not a chance in hell I'd do what Fuminori did. Fact is, I'd probably commit suicide.

>> No.6490571

>>6490559
That's what I kept on thinking from the beginning. I doubt I would've lasted more than a day sleeping in guts and shit with fucking horrific monsters checking in on me.

Which reminds me, I love the aftermath for Kouji during his ending, it really gave you a sense of how fucked over the whole ordeal left him. Especially that thing about how he never wanted to be in a situation that needed more than one bullet. That was good shit.

>> No.6490595

>>6490348

Morals stem from the idea of mutual treatment. And good and evil are the result of morals.

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>>6490528
Why does intelligence have to do anything with it? Would you eat a retard?

>> No.6490615

>If I knew those odoriferous, nightmarish fleshbeasts were humans, and that my perception of reality was distorted, there's not a chance in hell I'd do what Fuminori did. Fact is, I'd probably commit suicide.

Leaving Saya out of the picture, this is much more understandable. Saya was the only thing that kept Fuminori going.

>> No.6490628

>>6490549
No I think he thought something like that when he was killing the neighbour. I'm not sure though.

>> No.6490636

>>6490556
>Morals are relative things set by groups of people in a desire to feel safe. For Fuminori, there was no hope of ever feeling safe again, so morals had no meaning to him.
My sentiments exactly.

>> No.6490638

>>6490559
He probably would've done that too if he didn't meet Saya. But he found a reason to keep living.

>> No.6490639

If I were in that situation, this would probably happen:
- Attempt suicide, probably wouldn't work as I wouldn't have access to much and the nurses would probably find me before I could.
- Then I would actually tell the doctors that I'm fucked in the head, fuck it if they use me as a guinea pig or not, when you have to swallow down goddamn rotten guts and shit every day just to stay alive in a hell world, fuck it.

>> No.6490644

>>6490615
Frankly, Saya would scare me far more than the fleshbeasts. I mean, I'd probably realize fairly quickly that if the fleshbeasts are what I see humans as, then Saya's obviously not human. Saya would probably drive me to suicide faster.

>> No.6490649

>>trainderailed.jpg
>sadfrog.jpg

>> No.6490658

>>6490644
I could see going this way or Fuminori's way. I'd either immediately attach yourself to any thing that actually doesnt look hideous or I'd be skeptical as shit, depends on how the time spent with hellovision have fucked up my brain.

>> No.6490671

Saya wasn't evil for eating humans because she was never taught not to - All except two humans she'd ever met regarded her a a horrible monster, and she was hungry and without direction.

It only makes sense that she'd eventually eat someone, expecially when she's also killing for the only (living) person who loves her.

Fuminori is more tragic evil, even he admits at the first decision point that after all this time he can't go back, he's essentially lost his ability to empathise with human beings, unfortunate for everyone, but not his fault, by a long shot.

Kouji is probably the best off morally, even when his friend pushes him into the well, he's still worried about him until he finds his dead fiance in the fridge. Shame he gets screwed over in every ending.

Ryoko is cold and ruthless, but she's trying to protect the human species, so you realy can't blame her either.

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