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If Gilgamesh is considered the most powerful servant then why the fuck he is killed in all the 3 routes in such stupi ways ?

>> No.6332415

Stupid and arrogant.

>> No.6332413

Japan, power of love, power of levels, plot, etc.

>> No.6332422

>Gee I wonder why villains lose

>> No.6332421

>>6332405
Pride, mostly. Except for HF, Nasu needed to get him out of the way ASAP there, as he'd simply eradicate the Shadow and all the tainted servants with ease.

>> No.6332527

Because he is not very smart. He is powerful and arrogant, but he lacks brightness.

>> No.6332728
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Even though he is established as a breakingly overpowered character, he is also given some major distinct character flaws, such as his overconfidence.

Fans could wank that in the ancient Sumeria/Babylon he never encountered any real challenges and thus he is completely oblivious to the idea of someone being on the par with him. Well, apart from Enkidu. And the Bull of Heavens.

I second >>6332421 on the HF scenario.

>> No.6332739

Because Nasu needs to skew the plot to make the nerdy idiot self insert feel good about themselves.

>> No.6332746

>>6332527
GIl is extremely intelligent. Read Fate/Zero; he can read Kotomine like an open book. He simply thinks that it's impossible for any of his adversaries to kill him, which would be true if he used his full powers.

>> No.6332759

>>6332421
that would have been AWESOME!!!!
dark saba, shadow, assassin, d berserker, +what ever else you wanna add VS GIL

>> No.6332780

If Gilgamesh used to be the King of Babylon, how come he doesn't speak Unified Language? All he has to say is "You mongrels, women and children, kill yourselves." and they kill themselves. BOOMB instant win. I smell unused potential.

>> No.6332793

>>6332739
>nerdy idiot self insert
Who the hell would self insert as Shirou? His harem isn't even worth it.

>> No.6332805
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>>6332759
Type-Moon should make a gaiden VN with Gilgamesh as the protag. The game'd have Saber route, Arcueid route and a harem route.

>> No.6332814

If Alice has the ultimate magic then why does everyone beat her up so easily?

>> No.6332821

>>6332746
He may be intelligent, but not enough to overcome his pride, and certainly not enough to be a team player. Tohsaka and Kotomine had this whole big plan worked out, and all it took was Rider loudly issuing a challenge for Gil to put to a wrench into it.

>> No.6332830

Is there any stories where the hax character actually act like a hax character?
I'm tired that all these characters are always dumbed down by plot induced stupidity.

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>>6332805
Play this.

>> No.6332877

>>6332821
Their plans didn't really matter. If Gil wanted he could have won in a single night. Gil is like superman; he doesn't really need careful plans in order to win. And despite ignoring their plans he still had no trouble surviving the 4th grail war. The fact the grail was destroyed didn't really matter to him as he had no interest in it at the time.

>> No.6332911

If Gil is the best why is it that everybody wants t summon Saber? I suppose that it's not because of the short blonde hair fetish.

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>>6332805
I'd rather have a Gilgamesh-ko route.

>> No.6333190
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Gil is almost someone else in Zero, or perhaps more closely modeled after the mythological Gilgamesh. Like many have said, Gil in Fate just didn't really consider anyone to amount of anything, he didn't want to go all out. If he had, he probably would have won the grail war easily.

>> No.6333236

>>6332911
Rin is the one that wants Saber. Kirtsugu for example wanted Assassin or Caster. Saber is the strongest class, however that is meaningless when a heroic soul gets summoned as an Archer that's 4 times more powerful than an average Servant.

>> No.6333245

>>6332793
I do, I mean come on. I get to become a teenager that is RIPPED and very athletic, can do housework like the best of them, cook my way into a woman's heart, be able to project swords, am considered a nice guy by everyone I know, am kind and loving, can pretty much be the captain of the Archery Club if I wanted, and have the hearts of two sisters.
Seriously, it's a wonder how Shirou doesn't have a harem end.

>> No.6333247

>>6333190
The problem is how no one than Caster wants to win the war normally, she and Rin, but Rin goes out of her ways because of Shirou.

No one else has any real interest in winning normally, either because they know the true nature of the war, or because they have other agendas in hand, or both.

In Fate/Zero however things are different, and in f/z there are actually capable adults participating, and not women and children.
But because they died and because the next war started prematurely there were only women and children left, and people with no interest in the war nomrally.

>> No.6333301

>>6333247
Caster wanted to win, but not normally.
She violated the rules and sucked out prana from humans to power her spells. She also summoned Kirijou and replaced True Assassin as well.

>> No.6333366

F/Z was also written by Urobuchi who does SHIT JUST GOT REAL far better than Nasu.

>> No.6333404

>>6333245
You're also the enemy of every single magi on the planet by action of existing. You harbor a broken need to find your happiness in others not for your own self worth but for the sake of THEIR happiness. You willingly and instinctively dive into the line of fire for the sake of anyone, friend or foe, even if it means your life. You have nightmares that would break lesser minds. Producing those swords is possibly the most painful process imaginable. You will literally go gray before you're 25. You will most likely be An Hero before you're 30.

I don't give a fuck if both Sakura and Rin can put their ankles behind their heads and orgasm off of being tit fucked and spend every morning post-breakfast cuddling and blowing me, the exchange isn't worth it.

>> No.6333409

>>6333404
Your loss, sounds like a great deal to me.

>> No.6333442

>>6333404
Your body is literally made of swords. Your blood is iron, your heart is glass, and your mind is steel.

Always alone, intoxicated with victory on the hill of swords...

>> No.6333527

>>6333301
Her NP was Rule Breaker, did you really expect her to play fair?

>> No.6333550

> If Gilgamesh is considered the most powerful servant then why the fuck he is killed in all the 3 routes in such stupi ways ?

I'm guessing you're ignoring the tens of bad ends where he wins.

Stop being a moron OP, the good ends are obviously when he loses.

>> No.6333556

>>6333404
Actually, I would.

I'm a white knight faggot that got ran over by a motorcycle to save someone. Also, I'd have plot armor that leads me to avoid all dead ends if I act stupid enough. The post morning blow jobs are benefits.

>> No.6334064

>>6333550
There were bad ends where Gil wins?

>> No.6334109

Someone should rewrite UBW with Gilgamesh and Archer swapped in positions, so Rin summons Gilgamesh, Archer was the one in the previous war, fucking fakers, etc.

I can see it now, with Rin standing in the grail, holding Shinji, saying 'sorry, I failed'. Then, suddenly, 'Just hurry up and go already. The King of Heroes doesn't wait for anyone.' and the Gate of Babylon lacerates the Grail in front of her.

>> No.6334167

>>6334109
Jeez man, I really wish Gil would have been the protagonist. Sure, he would've been a douchebag, but maybe he could learn to love through Rin.

>> No.6334216

>>6334167
>love through Rin.
Now why would anyone do that. Rin should just die

>> No.6334231

>>6332793
Some people need to weave every topic into an insult on /jp/.

Like, "why is Umineko popular?"
Because western neckbeard nerds think the western style brings them closer to being Japanese.

>> No.6334237

>>6334167
Obvious trolling.

>> No.6334241

>>6334167
Also, 'You can beat him. If anyone can beat that faker, it's you.' as Gilgamesh stands in front of Shirou, impaled by fakes.

>> No.6334503

>>6334064
What do you imagine happens in all the endings where Shirou/Saber die?

>> No.6334516

>>6334503
In Heavens Feel, Shirou and Saber die and Gil is still dead.

>> No.6334521

>>6334516
Yes, I assumed people would be able to realize the obvious.

>> No.6334522

>>6334241
So, does this mean that Shirou is a reincarnation of Gil, or it's just that since Archer has no master, Shirou can match him?

>> No.6334537

>>6334522
Don't even entertain that shitty thought, MONGREL.

>> No.6334567

>>6333190
Remember what Gil in fate said? He was tainted by whatever came out of the holy grail, thus his personality change.

He became more... questionable in his actions, overconfident, a total asshole really. It's because he was 'tainted'.

>> No.6334740

>>6334567

He wasn't tainted. He explicitly said that even all the curses of Angra Mainyu were not enough to stain him.

He was, however, made just a little bit crazier. His personality didn't get "changed", just distorted. Same thing, more extreme.

>> No.6334754

>>6334740
Yeah, because he is such a reliable authority on what affects him and what doesn't.

It's explicitly stated that after the holy grail splashed him he is "off" in personality.

>>6333190
I haven't read Zero, but does Gil actually act like his alignment, Chaotic Good, in Zero? Because he sure doesn't in Fate (grail splashing and all that).

>> No.6334773

>>6334754

>It's explicitly stated that after the holy grail splashed him he is "off" in personality.

If it's explicitly stated, give me the exact line.

>I haven't read Zero, but does Gil actually act like his alignment, Chaotic Good, in Zero? Because he sure doesn't in Fate (grail splashing and all that).

He's more like chaotic neutral. Nothing but a self-centered bastard throughout, lusting after Saber, butting heads with Alexander, ignoring Tokiomi, and toying with Kotomine because he finds him entertaining. The only "good" act he does is save Saber from the Black Knight once.

>> No.6334865

>>6333556
You realize all the bad ends are canon, right? As in Shirou's that weren't so fortunate to survive to see the end of the war. In other words, your chances of making something good of your actions are exactly 1 in 8.

>>6334773
Read the character materials.

>> No.6334881

>>6334865

>Read the character materials.

Look at that evasion!

Tell me which character material describes Gilgamesh as such.

>> No.6334943

>>6334754
it says in heaven's feel that the aids couldn't corrupt him so it all got shunted into kotomine

>> No.6334961

>>6334773
>>6334754
You are misunderstanding Gil.
Gil views himself as king of the world, and by blessing his presence to what he considers underlings, he is doing them a good thing. His perception is so twisted that when he commits the things he does, it should be taken with gratitude, as he owns the world and everything in it. He is above everyone.

However, mythological Gil was much more compassionate and caring after Enkidu died and when he learned the secret of immortality. Even before that happened, he wasn't outright insane or that egotistical, he was just very outspoken and prideful.

>> No.6335090

>>6334961
>even before that happened, he wasn't outright insane or that egotistical, he was just very outspoken and prideful.
dude he raped newlywed women for fun

>> No.6335097

>>6335090
So he was about as immoral as most folks in the Old Testament. Morals are something that evolved with time, that wasn't taboo in his time. Nobody considers Ghengis Khan worse than Hitler although he objectively (by today's standards) was.

>> No.6335121

>>6335097
>that wasn't taboo in his time.
if it wasn't taboo why did Enkidu go out of his way to try to stop him?

>> No.6335130

>>6335121
Because he's a nice guy?

>> No.6335136

>>6335130
he was essentially and animal man that had to be coaxed to civilization through a prostitute,.

>> No.6335155

>>6335121
Because Enkidu, like Cu Chulain disliked the idea of the "King's Right", or whatever the specific term for that is.

>> No.6335167

>>6335155
I mean this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_primae_noctis

>> No.6335196

>>6335121
>if it wasn't taboo why did Enkidu go out of his way to try to stop him?
Because he was made for that purpose by the gods.

>> No.6335227

>>6335196
yes
and why do you think the god bestowed that purpose on him?
its because people were sick of his shit and prayed to the gods.

>> No.6335244

>>6335227
It was more like because some slut goddess wanted him to be her concubine and Gilgamesh just went "Lol no".

>> No.6335277

>>6332405

Lets imagine this. Gilgamesh is like a car. The fastest car in the world. The problem is, no matter how fast a car is, if the driver *master* are shit, you will still no able to show full potential of the car*gilgamesh*. Blame him for having a shitty master.

Oh, and plotholes...OMG AVALON REFLECT, U DIE!

>> No.6335305

>>6335277
Do you even know what a plot hole is?

>> No.6335312

>>6335244
dude that was way after Enkidu and Gilgamesh clashed and became friends.

>> No.6335321

>>6335317
This isn't /a/. Why would someone post that?

>> No.6335317

inb4 girugamesh.jpg

>> No.6335314

>>6335277
Except both Kotomine and Tokiomi were very capable masters, far exceeding the level of many. They both had extreme mana resources, which was plenty enough for Gilgamesh.

>> No.6335319

>>6335277

Avalon doesn't reflect. Saber used Avalon to get through Enuma Elish to land a decisive blow.

>> No.6336297

bumpsd

>> No.6336845

>>6334754
He lets a tons weaker guy who attacked him live because he thought he was courageous.

One of the reasons why have I always wanted to have a short UBW sequel story where Shirou is studying in the Clock Tower is so that he can meet El-Melloi who will be like
"So you have defeated a servant personally, whoa! I fought one myself once and am glad I escaped with life. Then again he was so strong even you could propably not beaten him with all your luck :/"

>> No.6336872

>>6333247
F/Z is a lot more serious story. UBW by DEEN looked totally cache with all those cheesy lines flying around, you can't make Kiritsugu's story like that. Hell, Heaven's Feel without the slight horror feel will be terrible too.

In F/Z, it's
Archer&Rider: Actually think clearly and know what they want from the Grail.
Caster: Has no real goal
Lancer: Can't have a good end because has a dumb karma and knows it
Berserker: Can't have a good end and knows it
Assasins: Can't have a good end with Tokiomi and Kotomine as masters and delude themselves into thinking they can
Saber: Can't have a good end with Kiritsugu as a master and deludes herself into thinking she can

>> No.6336879

>>6335244
Who the fuck wants a woman ridden with worms?

>> No.6337249

>>6335277
Except that Gil is impossible to control without an outright usage of a command seal. With an Independent Action rating of A+ he doesn't really even need a Master and can do whatever he wants. Combine that with an overbearing personality that cannot acknowledge anyone having authority over him and you get a Servant that may be the strongest but that does what he wants rather than what his master wants.

>> No.6337404

>>6337249
He did get pretty chummy with Kotomine though.

>> No.6337456

>>6337404
That''s because he found Kotomine entertaining.

>> No.6337493

>>6337404
Did you ever see Kotomine order him to do something? In Fate Kotomine wanted Gil to stay hidden but he went waltzing around regardless.

Don't forget that Gil explicitly tells Kotomine that he'll kill him the moment he grows tired of him when they form a contract in Fate/Zero.

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>>6333527
I wouldn't mind playing dirty with her, if you get my meaning

>> No.6337577

IF SHIROU CAN PROJECT THINGS FROM IMAGINATION, DOES THAT MEAN HE IS ABLE TO DEFIES THE 2ND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS?

>> No.6337586

>>6337577
FIRST LAW, YOU MEAN

>> No.6337607

>>6337586
No. When I say the 2nd, I mean the 2nd.

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>>6337249
Yeah, it's pretty funny. He doesn't even use the weapons properly in Gates of Babylon, he just chucks them out.
I imagine if Enkidu was around/still alive, Gil would be a lot more lively or serious.

>> No.6337624

>>6337621
He chucks them out because he can't use them properly.
Also, he'd serious up if Enkidu was around because there is homolust between them.

>> No.6337632

>>6337621
He is a king.
He just order his subjects to use the weapons in his stead.

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>>6337624
Well I meant, he could actually grab them and use them to that extent. His ego really gets in the way of things sometimes.

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>>6337621
>>6337624
If I'm not mistaken, Gil sticks around for the fake war of Fate/strange fake, despite there being no realistic chance of a Grail being created, simply because of the fact that Enkidu/"Erukidu" was also summoned for that war.

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>>6337941
I am under the impression of that Fate/strange fake was one of those "approved, but not canon"-works. On a completely different level than the other spin-off games, I mean.

Personally I support the tragic homolust theory concerning Gil's past, tho.

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