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6210022 No.6210022 [Reply] [Original]

Would the original 3 Star Wars movies be considered Cyberpunk if they were animated?

>> No.6210027

Only if they were completely rewritten as cyberpunk.

>> No.6210028

Go get em' Han Solo!

>> No.6210029

Yeah that Force thingy is real cyberpunk there

>> No.6210031

I don't think you know what cyberpunk is, OP.

>> No.6210034

No, just sci-fi fantasy.

>> No.6210035

>>6210031
Hence the reason I asked a question.

Now explain it since you are obviously an expert.

>> No.6210039

It's not even sci-fi, bro. It's fantasy.

>> No.6210041
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>>6210029
Yeah, psychic powers and shit have no place in cyberpunk.

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A thread about my favorite movies and books?
/jp/, I am proud of you today.

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>>6210035
I'll give you a hint. If it has aliens and spaceships, it's probably not cyberpunk. Now go read a book or something.

>> No.6210050

>>6210046
Generally true, but I've read at least one very good cyberpunk novel (Michael Swanwick's Vacuum Flowers) that incorporates traditional sf tropes.

>> No.6210052

>>6210046
So what you are saying with your half assed responce is that you are a moron who doesnt know what Cyberpunk is? Thats what I thought.

>> No.6210063

>>6210052
>>6210050

Less of the sperg, more of the Star Wars.

>> No.6210069

>>6210052
And what you're saying with your half assed thread is that you're a moron that doesn't know how to use google and doesn't read enough novels to understand popular genres.

>> No.6210079

>>6210069
You mad because i was expecting your shitty post and lured you in to a trap? Sorry about that.

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6210096

>trap

>> No.6210113

>>6210096
Your butthurt is flaming. Its obvious from your continuing responses.

>> No.6210126

>>6210041

Ultra bro-hint: Force =/= psychic. Force = fantasy magic.

>> No.6210135

>>6210126
The force isnt magic, its entirely mental. Your mind manipulating the force. So its half psychic.

>> No.6210143

>>6210135

Psychic powers lets you shoot lightning from your fingertips?

>> No.6210149

>>6210143
It doesnt? Since when are psychic powers limited to mind reading? You must be new to fiction.

>> No.6210163

>>6210143
the shit you move with your mind does. But it's your mind first and foremost that lets it happen.

>> No.6210164

>>6210149

No, I have NEVER heard of psychic powers that let you shoot lightning.

Control electromagnetism or some nonsense like that, but Force Lightning magicks it out of nowhere.

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>>6210164
I see. Tell me, whats it like under that rock?

>> No.6210174

>>6210167

Hello, manipulation of electromagnetism.

You're not magicking lightning bolts out of nowhere.

>> No.6210176

>>6210174
And how do you know thats now how the force is doing it? Its all the same shit.

>> No.6210178

>>6210167

Everyone knows Raildex Espers aren't really "psychic", they're just innate magic.

>> No.6210184

>>6210174
Further more, how do you know thats not how the Jedi are telling the force to do it? Its all the same shit.

Anyways, this thread was a waste. Nothing but newfags that dont even know what cyberpunk is trying and failing to pretend they do.

My question never got answered. Ill have to try on /a/ later, im sure they have a better grasp on cyberpunk than /jp/ does.

>> No.6210185

>>6210176

Because there's no other application. Unlike Railgun, you don't see them move metals with anything but generic "telekinesis" (magic based, by the way).

>> No.6210189

>>6210178
>didnt read the novels

>> No.6210194

>>6210185
>they dont explain everything to me like a shounen does so i dont understand whats going on.

>> No.6210195

>>6210189

Maybe if they'd translate the fucking earlier ones...

I mean, seriously?
# March 13, 2010 - Volume 7 completed.
# April 13, 2010 - Volume 9 completed.
# June 27, 2010 - Volume 10 completed.
# August 27, 2010 - Volume 8 completed.
# September 13, 2010 - Volume 11 started.

Meanwhile, volumes 1-6...

>> No.6210197

>>6210194

Real cyberpunk is supposed to explain shit, even in nonsensical terms, and show it's science fiction and not outright fantasy.

You people just don't grasp that Jedi = Space Wizards.

>> No.6210199
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6210199

>Star Wars
>Cyberpunk

>> No.6210205

>>6210195
Just watch the anime then read. The anime covers the basics then you get in to the novels and really figure out whats going on. It worked fine for me.

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>>6210205

Anime is tiresome. I don't want to watch twenty minutes what I can read in three.

>> No.6210212

>>6210197
Thats not cyberpunk, that shounen. Learn the difference.

>> No.6210217

>>6210212

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Shounen is a demographic, not a genre. Cyberpunk is a genre, not a demographic.

Ergo, you can have "shounen cyberpunk" as well as "seinen cyberpunk" or even "shoujo cyberpunk".

>> No.6210221

>>6210217
exactly, thats why i said learn the difference, moron.

Shounen panders to children who needs everything explained for them. So when you are watching cyberpunk that is explaining everything to you like you are 12 then you are getting the shounen elements from it. Now you are tieing those elements to an unrelated genre like an idiot.

>> No.6210223

>>6210217
>shoujo cyberpunk

Now I want to see this. The main character would be a magical girl that uses a railgun three times her size and decorated with ribbons.

>> No.6210227

godfuckingdamnit, you fucking faggots

Cyberpunk isn't supposed to explain shit, because it's FICTION!

The future is dark and gritty, life is cheap, urban sprawl is everywhere, grimdark times 1000, there -maybe- cyborgs that have lost their humanity, and computers that the writers always manage to under-presume their future advances.

Think: "Ghost in the Shell" with...

wait a fucking second...

I'm being trolled, aren't I?

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6210230

Why the fuck are you people implying that magic cannot be a part of cyberpunk, anyway?

So Jedi are spacewizards. What of it?

>> No.6210235

>>6210230

Emperor Palpatine could beat Yukari.

Discuss.

>> No.6210237

>>6210227

Star Wars isn't in the future, it's in the distant past. And a completely different galaxy.

>> No.6210245

>>6210227
Now you arnt being trolled. You seam to be the first person who is attempting to talk about cyberpunk seriously.

Now this is what i get from Cyberpunk, what you said. Now how is it any different from the original 3 starwars movies?

The space ports are dark and gritty. Darth Vader is cyborg who lost his humanity. With all the death and destruction going around, life is cheap. Its got cyborgs, androids, robats machines.

From what i can tell, other than its 3Dness its a prime example of cyberpunk.

>> No.6210246

>>6210245

>Darth Vader is cyborg who lost his humanity.

To be fair, he lost his humanity when he turned to the Dark Side, not when he lost his limbs.

>> No.6210248

>>6210237
Thats a minor detail. It didnt say to start from the present.

>> No.6210253

>>6210246
That doesnt make him not a cyborg or a fallen hero who lost his humanity.

>> No.6210263

star wars has nothing at all in common with cyberpunk, it's simple science-fantasy

>> No.6210265

>>6210263
Then explain why it doesnt. I eager to read why.

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>>6210235

Except SW was not gritty, there was a happy ending, aliens are -completely- anti-cyberpunk, and to a certain extent anti-grimdark because they're often personalized into silly-looking humans, and cyberpunk has hacking a computer as a major storyline element.

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>>6210022
COME AT ME BRO

>> No.6210280

>>6210237
>and a completely different galaxy

This could be the crucial point. Does cyberpunk have to take place in a modern or futuristic earth?

>> No.6210283

>>6210246


Except SW was not gritty, there was a happy ending, aliens are -completely- anti-cyberpunk, and to a certain extent anti-grimdark because they're often personalized into silly-looking humans, and cyberpunk has hacking a computer as a major storyline element.

>> No.6210294

>>6210278
unhappy endings are not a trademark of cyber punk. starwars was gritty and i can argue against he computer hacking part, its a minor element by todays definition of cyberpunk.

Aliens though, you may be right. I dont recall any cyberpunk with aliens. Are you sure this is a critical point?

>> No.6210300

Is there any VN that can be considered cyberpunk?
To make this thread more /jp/ related.

>> No.6210302

>>6210283
R2-D2 hacks computers all the time. So much for that point.

>> No.6210305

>>6210300
nice stealthy request you have there. I know of a couple, going to take a massive dump now ill give you names when i get back.

>> No.6210309

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZEdDMQZaCU

This thread

>> No.6210312

>>6210300
Baldr Force/Sky can be considered cyberpunk, I think Kikougai too.

Anyone know is there anything else?

>> No.6210316

a more relevant question would probably be
"is warhammer 40k cyberpunk?"
I mean, it has a lot more of the features that you'll expect to see in cyberpunk, despite the aliens.

>> No.6210325

>>6210316
No, it's not. /tg/ agreed don't bother them about it.

>> No.6210328

>>6210316
a more relevant question would probably be
"why the fuck is this thread in /jp/"
I mean, it has none of the features that you'll expect to see in places that discuss cyberpunk despite the nerds.

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>>6210022
No, that's not cyberpunk.

Cyberpunk is a genre where the story is set in a futuristic world ruled by digital machines, like an AI. Pic related, an example of Cyberpunk.

Star Wars is not Cyberpunk, it's common science fiction.

>> No.6210332

>>6210316
I wouldn't call it cyberpunk but it probably could be if it was ramped back to an earlier era.

>> No.6210346

>>6210312
Plantarian

>> No.6210352

>>6210328
Because Japan spawned the genra and this is japan general. I figured you all would be the most knowledgeable.

>> No.6210354

>>6210329
Texnolyse and Egro Proxy were not ruled by machines.

>> No.6210359

>>6210329
Also if you want to get in to it, in the new 3 movies there was a droid army that almost took over the Galaxy and the leader was more machine than organic. Not really sure what he was, looked like he had a brain of flesh.

>> No.6210361

>>6210359

General Grievous was a cyborg, he was a lizard-alien who got horribly, horribly maimed.

He runs on pure anger.

>> No.6210363

>>6210352
>this is japan general
NOT ANYMORE HA HA.
Seriously though, I'm not entirely sure when cyberpunk comes from but I think that /tv/ or /co/ or even /a/ would be better choice for this thread. Hell, probably the best choice would be /tg/. Those guys are into anything

>> No.6210366

>>6210022
Well damn, for some reason this thread makes me want to re-install Jedi Academy

>> No.6210368

>>6210294

Very. It has to do with the nature of their separate genera. Aliens are both individuals and classes of people. They're a source of "God in the machine" when there are no magic-powers. Also, technically Star Wars is a space-opera.

>> No.6210369

>>6210363
When i go looking for answers i go for the source, not secondaries. I cant read moon so this is as close as it gets.

With /a/ though, i would have to wade trough the same tripe but 5 times as much of it to get solid answers.

>> No.6210370

>>6210359
That's science fiction.

Beside, the world must be a futuristic world, in decadency (What the wikipedia calls 'High tech and low life').

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk

>> No.6210376

>>6210368
Sounds good. Ill pay head to this point in the future.

Now, how about Blade Runner?

>> No.6210379

>>6210283

>Except SW was not gritty, there was a happy ending,

Superficially. Holocaust of Endor, anybody?

Also, if the Expanded Universe is to be understood, the Empire proceeded to shit the bed with the lights on after Palpatine and Vader bit it.

Then there were a bunch of petty warlords starting up conflicts in the name of the Empire, which continued the Galactic war...

War. War never changes.

>> No.6210382

>>6210379
People like to forgot that when the pretty aware ceremony starts. I admit, i did to.

>> No.6210386

>>6210022
If it doesn't have the internet or an internet equivalent as a main story point it's not cyberpunk.

>> No.6210389

If the expanded universe didn't turn the empire into giant racists and comicbook villians, the empire would be better than the republic. Especially if you count the prequels as canon.

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6210390

>my face when the definitive cyberpunk novel features aliens

>> No.6210393

>>6210386
ever herd of the Jedi Archives. Didnt think so.

>> No.6210397

>>6210390
Well shit, Star Wars is cyberpunk again. Just when i thought it was over.

>> No.6210414

>>6210389

>If the expanded universe didn't turn the empire into giant racists and comicbook villians,

They were like that in the movies. See the whole Space Nazi shtick the Empire has going, complete with hating on Chewbacca for being an alien. I admit that the EU people ramp it up a notch, though.

But Lucas didn't just stop there. He used footage from WWII dogfights for the starfighters. And he copied the idea of 'Trench Running' from a WWII flick called "The Dam Busters". There are lots of WWII tones in the original trilogy.

The prequels had, due to their modern nature, a War on Terror subplot, with heavy American Civil War tones. For example, the Trade (con)Federation fighting the Galactic (Union) Republic. The clone army's fast-roping tactics from gunships that are obviously futuristic helicopters, and fireteam-based maneuvers combined with Close Air Support mimic the doctrine the United States used in the Middle East.

It's very strange to see WWII infantry rush warfare being used in the future for SW, while modern mobilized warfare is fought in the PAST. Not that I'm giving a shit - trench warfare is brilliant. Just ask anyone who participated in the fun times known as WWI.

>> No.6210418

This thread belongs in whatever board it belongs in. Probably /v/ or something.

>> No.6210419

>>6210393
>Jedi Archives
That's a library.
Even if it was some sort of internet it isn't an important part of the story so it's not cyberpunk.

>> No.6210423

>>6210379

No mention of the Yuuzhan Vong war, the bloodiest series of events in all of Star Wars metacanon?

>> No.6210429

>>6210419
They also download starcharts and maps. The empire has a data base thats accessible from across the galaxy. Your point fails.

>> No.6210430

>>6210423

I kind of wanted to forget they existed.

That period was when Star Wars almost became as grim dark as WH40K. Characters dying every fucking where, mutilated aliens that get off on self-inflicted pain and bondage devices...thanks for reminding me.

>> No.6210432

>>6210430

Also, Chewbacca got squished by a fucking moon.

>> No.6210434

>>6210432

GOD DAMNIT.jpg

Thanks for reminding me about that, too.

>> No.6210440

>>6210434
don't worry, jacen goes evil in the next storyline!

>> No.6210445

>>6210434
well at least it took a moon to kill him.

>> No.6210455

>>6210429
>They also download starcharts and maps. The empire has a data base thats accessible from across the galaxy. Your point fails.
They also have the HoloNet which is their internet but it isn't an important part of the story so it isn't cyberpunk.

>> No.6210478

>>6210455
Its there and it doesnt need to be important. There are planty of cyberpunk titles were the internet is irrelevant.

>> No.6210535

Cyberpunk is like shooting heroin. In Tokyo. At Night.

>> No.6210540

No, but if Star Wars were an anime, maybe it would be worth watching.

>> No.6210544

>>6210540

No, it would be like Nanoha A's and we already had that once. Which is quite enough, in my opinion.

>> No.6210559

>>6210544
>it would be like Nanoha A's
...wait what the fuck? Trying to figure out how you got there makes my brain hurt.

>and we already had that once. Which is quite enough, in my opinion.
Hey fuck you. If StrikerS has been A's 2 the world would have been a better place.

>> No.6210573

>>6210544
If everyone in Star Wars was a loli it might have been worth watching.

>> No.6210578

>>6210573
Loli always make everything better, like cheese.

>> No.6210613

>>6210578
like ketchup, you mean

>> No.6210617

>>6210613

Lolis are not in the least like cheese. Cheese can smell horrible, lolis cannot.

>> No.6210621

>>6210617
Cheese comes in many flavors, like lolis. No matter what you are eating or drinking, there is a cheese that will go with it.

>> No.6210723

I give this thread an A-PRUS!

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