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[Anonymous No.]

I am rather disappointed in Byakuren. For someone with such magnificent tits, she has an ass that can only be described as "average."
How can she possibly achieve true peace between humans and youkai if she doesn't have anything with which to back it up?

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

Some Touhous have enormous hams, some do not.

Yuugi has.

[Anonymous No.]

What?

/jp/ has just hit a new low.

[S BENZ No.]

Felicity Kendall won no less than 10 "Rear of The Year" titles over a span of 20 years with an arse very much like Byakuren there. Times may have changed a bit 'too' much if that tail is not to be considered first-rate.

[Anonymous No.]

This is the best I could find.
Decent I guess, but she's gonna have to work harder to compete with the higher tiers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204232
This is what's considered first-rate these days. And clearly Byakuren don't got it.

[Anonymous No.]

Undead loli ass is superior. Its sad really because shes not even trying, unlike the fat pigs in this thread.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204294
Why undead? In canon Touhou lore vampires are just bat girls, like Nazrin is a mouse girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204298
vampires are undead, always have been.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204298
Nazrin is a literal mouse.

Vampires are humans turned into youkai (by Lunarians; I don't remember if the exact time was stated, they might have not been Lunarians yet by that point).

[Anonymous No.]

Her butt is sublime. I would exist peacefully with yokai to poke a booty like that.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204312
Not at all. Different settings have different vampire lores. Just because classic stories on Earth featured them being undead doesn't mean they all have to be in settings like Gensokyo. Do we really need to bust out fancy terms like "True Ancestor" to convince you they may not be undead?

...you just made me bust out TV Tropes again.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurVampiresAreDifferent

>>6204330
Where'd you read that? I don't recall anything about Lunarians being involved. You sure it's not a source like >>6204073 ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204371
Kaguya said that it was the lunarians who made the youkai or something during her IN duel. However, CiLR and SSiB, which pretty much eviscerated all the subplots of IN anyways, retconned it saying it was the actual moon that made them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204170
YUUGI'S DERRIERE MAKES ME HAPPY LIKE NO OTHER

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204371
There is only one vampire lore. Anything else is a ripoff trying to be edgy and cool. Vampires are undead since the original folk tails.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204381
>retconned it saying it was the actual moon that made them

I don't recall that. Care to point me to exact quotations?

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204387
Hi Gilgamesh, how's it going?

So every vampire in every original story that alludes to Dracula must also have STDs because the original novel was a metaphor for syphilis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204381

There's a concept called "flavor lore". It means that characters, books, and other resources can say all kinds of things in canon -- even contradictory things -- and it's possible that they're all completely wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204400
>he thinks the original was a novel
ohh wow

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204404
Are you having problems reading? Of course Dracula was a novel. Mr. Tepes was not a vampire, thank you very much. When fiction such as Castlevania or Hellsing feature Dracula, it's based on the novel, and both series incorporate the novel into their canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204371
Now to further point out. I dont think all vampires have to go back to the original with the family tree. But in order to be a vampire its got to have the basic traits and those traits are simulare to the traits of the undead.

Weakness to sunlight. Some exceptions apply but as a general rule. Normally when the exception applys the reason for the exception is referenced. Undead have a weakness to it, vampires have an extreme weakness to it. Shes got it.

Consumes human flesh. Weather its blood or flesh this is a common trait. Shes got it.

Immortality, special powers and what not. Shes got it.

Had to be human at some point. Shes got it.

Now the one part that always has to apply is that its got to have died at some point. I dont know how the lunarians turned them in to vampires but so long as part of the process was death then she meets all the criteria for undeath.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204371
I counter your faggotry with Wikipedia faggotry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undead

>Bram Stoker considered the term "The Un-Dead" for the original title for his novel Dracula (1897),[1] and its use in the novel is mostly responsible for the modern sense of the word. (...) Stoker's use of the term refers only to vampires

You can't claim that vampires aren't undead when the word was conceived to describe the quality of being a vampire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204413
He said the original was Dracula from a noval, this is not true. That novel was based on folk lore from Transylvania.

So he is a moron.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204402
Here on /jp/, we just call it "ZUN's writing".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204416
>Creatures of her kind forfeit their growth and maturity in exchange for eternal life. In other words, she can live forever because she never grows up.
-IN Manual
>She is a light eater. In other words, she can drink only a little blood at a time and must leave the rest behind, so the humans off of whom she feeds become a bit anemic, but usually stay alive. Due to that fact, she is never able to increase the number of her kind.
--EoSD おまけ.txt

Interpret that however you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204433
Doesn't go against anything i said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204440
What a shallow interpretation.
You are disappointing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204433
>the humans off of whom she feeds become a bit anemic, but usually stay alive. Due to that fact, she is never able to increase the number of her kind.

That outright implies that a human must die to become a vampire. Case closed.

>>6204440
What makes you think he intended to go againist anything you said?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204447
What makes you think I thought he intended it. I made a simple statement. Dont assume anything.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204418
Hey Araya, pretty obsessed with the Origin of things, aren't we?

The important thing is not the absolute origin, but the origin the material is drawing from. Most things about Dracula specifically draw from the novel and even feature characters from it, like Dr. Helsing in Hellsing and John Morris in Castlevania.

For example, as Gilgamesh in Fate/Stay Night pointed out, "The Sword in the Stone" is directly ripped from the Scandanavian tale of "The Sword in the Tree" aka Gram. Does everything in Arthurian mythology have to submit to conterpart legends in Siegfried's story? And that may not be the original either.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204417
...and what exactly does Dracula have to do with Gensokyo's vampire lore? Remi was lying when she said she was a decedent, and this canon doesn't have to feature everything about the original Dracula. Remi is immune to holy symbols, after all, and takes great pride in it.

>>6204433
Now this is much better evidence

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204468
>...and what exactly does Dracula have to do with Gensokyo's vampire lore?

Did you even bother to READ the post you're replying to? Seriously, what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204458
Your entire post is moot. You are arguing with out paying attention to one simple word that I pointed out twice. ORIGINAL. If Stokers book is based on lore, then its not the original.

Vampire lore has occurred through out history all the way back in to Greek mythology. His book most closely follows the folk lore about the count that was thought to rise from the dead and feast on the villagers.

Now if you want to find out what the original was, figure out what point the name Vampire, or Vampyre was coined. Since the biggest problem here is that she is called a vampire and to use that name you need to meet a certain criteria or else you delude the name. Then you may as well start calling anime cartoons, VN's Click games, manga comics, if you dont care about deluding a name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204386
Sorry if this is a little late, but from Chapter 5 of CiLR....

Under the dim light of the moon shadows are formed in all sorts of places; grasses, trees, mountains, rocks and buildings. One cannot hope to shine the Earth full of such complex shapes without creating shadows. Such shadows in various places create the human's fear and at times become legends of youkai. In a manner of speaking, the moon is the birth mother of the youkai.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204477
Yes, but it is just the origin. This alone says nothing about the state of vampires in another canon. There could even be different types of vampires, as is the case with Tsukihime. All they had to do was say "the original vampires were made by mother nature as beings to protect the world...so yeah!" and that was that. Also, Remilia has mostly normal vampire weakness except holy crosses, the main weakness associated with the undead rather than just specifically vampires.

>>6204433 does seem to suggest the undead part though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204468
Remilia was weakened by holy symbols, but repeated exposure to the weak holy symbols of Shinto gods let her build up a tolerance. None but the strongest holy symbols can even faze her now.

[Anonymous No.]

how did this thread turn from asses to vampires
you should all feel bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204477
I know man, that is one dumb tripfag. His attention span is about as good as YotsubaC's. If i didnt know any better I would say he IS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204484
Are you really this dense? That doesn't say "LOL THE MOON CREATED YOUKAI" you idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204495
Its the power of Undead Loli Ass. See
>>6204294
Its overwhelming.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204483
Um, my whole point was that the original doesn't need to decide the state of the current work as long as it's not the same canon. A word is just a word and the meaning can change with the source. Things don't need to always stay the same as the origin defines it, especially if it's not in the same mythos. Remilia is immune to crosses, Alucard is immune to sunlight, and Arcuied is something else altogether. Different fictions can do whatever they want and don't need to be so narrowly defined.

[Anonymous No.]

Remilia and Flandre aren't undead. They're warm to the touch. Countless porn doujins prove it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204484
Ah, thanks. I see nothing that'd negate Kaguya's words in there, though.

>>6204487
>All they had to do was say "the original vampires were made by mother nature as beings to protect the world...so yeah!"

And my point is, this would not make vampires not undead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204504
Her weakness to holy symbles has been explained in this thread, your point is MOOT. Alucards lack of a weakness to sunlight was explained, your point, MOOT.

Holy symbles change over time and vampire lore stretches all the way back to the start of human history. This already deludes that from being a critical trait of a vampire, your point, further moot.

also, filtered. you are one stupid fuck. Im sure you are YotsobaC hiding under another trip. Same short attention span, same posting style. I wont miss you.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204517
But Arcuied wasn't undead as far as I could tell. She was just a powerful being created by the system with very little to do with vampire mythos other than desire to suck blood. Only later did the undead arise, and those are who she hunts.

But the point is, the word itself alone doesn't prove the status of dead/undead. The Scarlets already have the bat features and that alone is enough to declare them vampires without anything else from lore, but technically even that isn't needed. All a work has to do is give them a classification and that's that. Authors of fiction can make up whatever they want.

But ZUN is too drunk to really care. Back to asses~

JOIN ASS~!

[Anonymous No.]

Byakuren is rather disappointed in you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204534
Exactly what I would do if I ever found a futanari.

I would kill the vile mutant.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204528
Oh wow. As I was pointing out, none of this "original vampire lore criteria" matters in deciding for certain the status of a specific fictional work. All the author has to do is say "they actually have nothing to do with vampires but I'll call them vampires" and voila! They're canonically vampires. Original lores from other sources doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204544
No, that just means they're canonically called vampires. They aren't vampires in anything but name.

[Anonymous No.]

The Scarlets = Vampires = Undead = The Scarlets

Vampire lore proves this. Case Closed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204551
vampire isnt a pronoun. your point, moot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204551
They drink blood and Remilia can turn into a bat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204534
I'm afraid the point is we need to first agree on the definition of the word "undead".

The original was simply "not dead". Then Bram Stoker turned it into "vampire-like". The currently accepted definition is "something that's dead yet acts as if it's alive".

Your definition, on the other hand, seems to be "something that died in the past yet acts as if it's alive" and is actually quite uncommon, as far as I can tell. Note the distinction. You don't have to die to be considered dead/undead. See Frankenstein's Monster.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204551
Exactly. I'm not saying it's good to ignore lore. I'm saying that original lore can't be used as a deciding factor in ascertaining the traits of "vampires" in other sources. The Scarlets weren't undead because of original lore, until ZUN the author decided to suggest that they are.

It's like saying someone is human in an anime. Does that mean he is weak compared to demons? Or does that mean he is essentially has superpowers and can jump 50 feet into the air like every other important human in the series? Real definitions and limitations don't apply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204558
With a keen eye for details, one truth prevails.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204575
Frankensteins moster was created from parts of dead men, those men lived then died. Its a composite of undeath. It lived.

[Anonymous No.]

Aren't the Scarlets and vampires categorized as a "devil" type youkai in both PMiSS and in their own profile? How exactly do you define a "devil" in Touhou?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204575
>"something that's dead yet acts as if it's alive".
A virus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204544
>All the author has to do is say "they actually have nothing to do with vampires but I'll call them vampires" and voila!

Obviously, but then they'd (also obviously) not be vampires in the first place.

The word "vampire" means something. Unless you can point out some part where the author states "I just call them vampires, they're something else actually", we HAVE TO assume they have qualities that the word "vampire" implies, just like we have to assume that when someone writes "blue" he means blue and not red. Otherwise, all language would be pointless and interpersonal communication impossible.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204614
True, but it depends on how people view vampires. The number one thing most associated with vampires is bats, and the Scarlets already have that covered. It's tough to decide exactly what is part of a definition and what isn't. I suppose we can make assumptions based on the definition until the author comments on it, but it isn't really definitive. For all you know, the author might be unaware of a certain aspect of the lore or just has a different view.

Speaking of definitions, here is the first sentence from Wikipedia:

"Vampires are mythological or folkloric beings who subsist by feeding on the life essence (generally in the form of blood) of living creatures, regardless of whether they are undead or a living person."

[Anonymous No.]

Wikipedia. Number one source for Vampire Facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>Long discussion about Vampires, Scarlets and undead
Who the fuck cares. Remilia and Flandre are delicious fuckable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204642
If the vampire side is right, you're sticking your dick in a cold, dead pussy. Not so fuckable now are they?

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>6204651

Necrophiles everywhere rejoice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204642
True, i dont know why these idiots care that they are undead. All it means to be is that they are loli for life and the intimacy would reach a whole new level.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204641
Dunno, that single sentence happens to also have a whooping total of 6 citations. Feel free to check on them. I really need to go to sleep.

Good night! JOIN ASS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204651
what if that makes it even better?

[Anonymous No.]

When Remilia dies, will Shiki be able to use her mirror to view Remilia's life, or will her reflection not show up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204651
Who says they have to be cold? Frankensteins monster had a beating heart. Dracula had a beating heart. Being cold is not a necessary trait of a vampire. You can punish your self if you want by jumping to conclusions. Ill enjoy the scarlets just the same.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204651
>>6204672
Afraid of a little cold? How weak! It just proves eye am the strongest!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204678
Stop that "eye"!

Can Remilia see herself in a mirror?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204682
No, but she can use her bat familiar to view herself using sonar. Almost as good!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204678
Cirno is actually quite warm, see Hisoutensoku for details.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204638
>here is the first sentence from Wikipedia

A good point, though I'd assume that the term "vampire" aimed at a living person is used in a metaphorical sense. I may be wrong, though.

And, precisely; blood-sucking is actually what people associate vampires with.

[Fujiwara no Mokou !!WMmFy7x/tgp No.]

>>6204692
Yeah, true, the word "vampire" has evolved to also mean something like "leech" in modern conversation, like "you vampires have been sucking my money dry!"

I personally use it to describe myself in a very different context though. When I call myself a vampire to people, I'm referring to the fact that I sleep during the day and stay up all night. In fact...it's 6AM OH GOD I NEED TO SLEEP GOOD NIGHT GOOD NIGHT GOOD NIGHT

[Necrobrotent No.]

You know whats awesome?

Werewolves

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204718
reported for furfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204651
That is just like your opinion man.
I like to think of Remilia and Flandre as very hot loli Vampires who would have wild sex with you. Make you Remilia slave or Flandres plaything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204718
Agreed. Lupin and Jacob are so dreamy~

[Anonymous No.]

I'd hop in their coffin.

[Necrobrotent No.]

>>6204732
>>6204721
I give up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204651
I reject their shitty Gensokyo and substitute my own.

[Anonymous No.]

I would warm her cold body up.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd donate her my body fluids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204757
What's your type though?

[Anonymous No.]

Poor Byakuren. At least her tits are nice.

[Anonymous No.]

Remilia has a bigger lance than you. She would always dominate the relationship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204800
She can't hit anything with it. Always throws it over, the idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6204800
My lance is just the size for Remi.

[Anonymous No.]

There must mathematically be a direct relationship between the power levels of a Gensokyo youkai and the luscious quality of her badonkadonk.

Case in point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6206437
..okay, maybe not.

[Anonymous No.]

Ran probably has a very shapely ass, with all the toning she does from lugging around those huge heavy tails

Unfortunately, there is very little Ran ass-art, and when there is, her ass is always covered up by those damn tails

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