What was ZUN on when he made this shit?

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Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:17:12 2010 No.6150679 [Reply] [Original]

What was ZUN on when he made this shit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:18:13 2010 No.6150684 Himself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:19:13 2010 No.6150687 File: 41 KB, 600x800, 11efb5cca8f697743d4620784669ad54.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Too intense for you, bub?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:19:13 2010 No.6150691 Beer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:19:13 2010 No.6150688 Honestly. I'm not a very good player as I can only 1cc PCB, EOSD and MOF normal, but I can barely pass Yuugi before I get a game over in Subterranean animism.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:21:13 2010 No.6150695 >>6150688 don't feel bad anon, i'm the same way :( but i still practice and keep trying nonetheless

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:22:13 2010 No.6150697 >>6150688 Maybe you should try using ReimuA? And if you don't die to everything you get even more extra lives in SA.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:24:13 2010 No.6150706 File: 60 KB, 343x307, 673375481cd86d75290937694085cf6b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Considering this came after IN and MOF, he probably heard some gaijin call Touhou games casual shit, then he went out of his way to make SA what it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:25:13 2010 No.6150711 File: 2.00 MB, 250x158, 1282722051749.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6150701 How did I not notice that.. ever? Until now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:28:13 2010 No.6150715 >>6150697 I suck as Reimu A. I can't even beat Parsee. But with Reimu B at least I can make it to stage 4...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:28:13 2010 No.6150716 >>6150706 IN is harder than SA bro. Can't say for lunatic, but on normal atleast. I can easily clear SA with like 4 lives left in stock, where I have to use all my resources to barely get a clear in IN.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:32:13 2010 No.6150726 SA was my very first Touhou game. I think you all have an Idea at the level of rage this game gave me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:42:13 2010 No.6150757 I 1cc'd this on Normal last night for the first time as ReimuB. Shit was SO cash.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:47:13 2010 No.6150772 I pulled some shit out of my ass abut being a god level Touhou player on 4chan and the fuckers believed me.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:48:13 2010 No.6150780

>>6150716
Funny, I find SA incomparably harder than IN on normal, but easier on lunatic. SA is the only lunatic I've gotten to stage 5 on to date, though I haven't tried LLS lunatic...

Really, in IN normal I've gone without losing a life until stage 6, but Orin usually rapes 2-5 lives out of me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 03:49:13 2010 No.6150783 Damn, this Velveeta is fucking cheesy. Almost obnoxiously cheesy. Almost as cheesy as ZUN's SA art. EoSD and IN were his best imo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:14:13 2010 No.6150868 It took me a whole week to beat SA, using 229 continues. I should have listened to you /jp/ when you told me to not play it as my first shmup of the series. My butt is still in pain several months after beating it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:33:13 2010 No.6150929 >>6150868 Good for you. It is a known fact that SA is the only Touhou game someone with no previous shmup experience can finish in one sitting, but goddamn, jut because you can it doesn't mean you should.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:38:13 2010 No.6150940 I was really stubborn when playing SA. I kept using Marisa/Alice because Alice is my waifu. I know Alice's shot type is complete garbage but I just couldn't give up on her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:47:13 2010 No.6150967 >>6150940 So glad Patchy is mai waifu...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:48:13 2010 No.6150968 >>6150940 Alice's shot type is great if you're good at maximizing your bombs. Even if you aren't, it still beats taking Patchouli.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:53:13 2010 No.6150979 >>6150968 Maybe I'm just not using her right. The whole spread shot while focusing and vice versa doesn't seem to kill single units/bosses fast enough. At least for me anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:54:13 2010 No.6150985 ReimuC erryday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYuRCMmnb4k

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:55:13 2010 No.6150991 Am I the only one in the world that finds Okuu WAY harder than Orin on normal? Seriously, I died to Okuu 100+ times but it only took me 6 tries to beat Orin.

>>	None !8FuIlcirno Sat Sep 18 04:57:13 2010 No.6150994 >>6150716 Duh, I find IN almost as easy as PCB which is easiest easily, while both MoF and IN are a pain. I'm wondering, are humans actually different from each other?

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:57:13 2010 No.6150995

>>6150929

You are an idiot. Its not a well known anything. PCB and IN are piss easy compared to the rest of the series. PCB because of the spiritual border, and IN because of shooting the familiars to pretty much clear all the shots on the screen with relative ease.

Really, SA and UFO are the only ones in the entire series I have not yet 1CCed on normal, even if I have gotten literally mere seconds from clearing both before losing my last life/bomb.

Also, my friend with no shooter experience 1CCed IN his first time. It was on easy, but really, thats kind of the difficulty that new people play on. So yeah, there goes that little theory about IN being all super hard. ( I 1cc'd it on normal on my third or fourth try, it was the first in the series that I did so )

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:58:13 2010 No.6151003

>>6150991
Orin rapes my face. I don't even want to know how many lives I lose to her and her stage. I can do Stage 6 without losing any lives though.

Okuu became a lot easier when I learned how close I could get to the HUGE bullets and how fast they shrunk.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 04:59:13 2010 No.6151008

>>6150995

IN is easy compared to UFO, sure, but it's still much harder than MoF.

IN actually has some difficult spell cards (stage 4, some of stage 6). MoF doesn't have anything even remotely difficult until stage 6; while there are a spattering of cards that require a bit of skill before then, almost all of them can be bombed without any penalty because MoF gives you more bombs than every single previous Touhou game combined.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:00:13 2010 No.6151013 >>6150995 I hate Shou's lasers. I was already bad at dodging lasers before playing UFO. Then UFO is all about lasers. Shou just takes it to a whole new level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:04:13 2010 No.6151026 >>6150995 I was not talking about no continue runs, faggot. SA has infinite continues, the others don't, meaning anyone stubborn enough to keep paying it without ever stopping can get to the end.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:05:13 2010 No.6151029

>>6151013

Agreed. Shou is usually what stops my UFO runs dead. I can usually get to Murasa without losing a life, then lost a couple bombs and maybe a life to her. Then Shou completely fucks my shit up. Half the time I lose all of the lives/bombs I had maxed out on her, and if I make it past her, the meager 1 - 2 lives I have left are not enough for the final stage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:07:13 2010 No.6151033 >>6151026 You realise that if you continue it respawns you at the start of the stage, right? Because I don't think someone who's new is going to have too much of an easy time beating stage 5 or 6 with only three lives.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:08:13 2010 No.6151036

>>6151026

Infinite continues in SA do NOTHING to help you. If you couldn't get past stage 5 with 6 lives that you had saved up from before, what the ever loving fuck makes you think you are going to pass it with the two lives continuing gets you?

You'd be better off with the "5 continues, resume from where you were" system. Also, your point is STILL invalid, considering IN is so piss easy most people seem to be able to clear it their first couple times without continuing. Any idiot can clear IN with 5 continues.

>>	Iori Minase !UBUME.wRII Sat Sep 18 05:11:13 2010 No.6151043 File: 229 KB, 400x666, 1361318.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CAVE HQ?

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:15:01 2010 No.6151054 [DELETED]

>>6151036
>>6151033

>>6150868 here. I decided to use continues instead of practice mode. I couldn't be arsed to flawlessly learn every single stage & boss fight well enough to come out with more than default lives at the start of every stage. It took me 6 continues as I said to beat Orins stage iwth 3 lives, and 100+ continues to beat Okuu with 3 lives.

This may just be my opinion on the matter, but I felt as if doing it this way was a valuable learning experience.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:16:13 2010 No.6151057

>>6151036
>>6151033

Poster >>6150868 here. I decided to use continues instead of practice mode. I couldn't be arsed to flawlessly learn every single stage & boss fight well enough to come out with more than default lives at the start of every stage. It took me 6 continues as I said to beat Orins stage iwth 3 lives, and 100+ continues to beat Okuu with 3 lives.

This may just be my opinion on the matter, but I felt as if doing it this way was a valuable learning experience.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:35:13 2010 No.6151112

>>6151036
I like the infinite continues system given nowadays. It reminds me of EoSD's practice system. When I get to the point where I can only continue endlessly starting at the start of the stage each time. It's essentially practice mode for that stage.

When UFO just came out I spent some time and beat it with continues. I continued like around a dozen times on Byakuren. I then went to sleep. When I woke up I 1cced the game without any major difficulties.

SA I remember being diffirent. My first 1cc of that was pretty much learning to bombspam like I never bombspammed before. Whenever I think of Marisa's journey through SA I always think of a Marisa who flys right up close to the opponent on her broom and then repeatedly punches them in the face with laser dolls.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:44:13 2010 No.6151127
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i can't finish touhou games after PoFV.
MoF, SA, UFO, i've finished none of them, because of it i don't play much these time, i feel like i'm a bad player and i'm too ashamed to play touhou again

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 05:52:13 2010 No.6151140 File: 337 KB, 900x684, 73fb99febe24329ee0cc75899d4ee68b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6151127 Keep practicing. I know you can do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 06:11:13 2010 No.6151171 >>6151127 Here's the secret method to beat MoF: press X any time something bad comes at you

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 06:31:13 2010 No.6151198 >>6151171 Even better: play as MarisaB, power at 3.00-3.95, unfocused.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 07:13:13 2010 No.6151262 File: 333 KB, 900x810, 463462642.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SA is too hard. Rin's stage and Rin herself are kinda bullshit, and Itsuho has some pretty bullshit spellcards.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 07:17:13 2010 No.6151269 >>6151262 The only part of stage 5 I really dislike is the bit right after Orin. Without the tiny random bullets it would actually be fun to weave through. With them it makes my asshole tear itself apart with fury.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 07:21:13 2010 No.6151276 >>6151262 >>6151264 More like this?

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 07:22:13 2010 No.6151278

I too found SA the hardest to complete but I eventually did it. I cleared it Reimu A and B and Marisa A (which I wasn't expecting as I normally am shit with her). I keep getting frustrated that I can't clear it with Marisa B because It seems like it should be easy with all the various different shot types but I can't get past Utsuho.

On a side note, I really like SA extra stage, it's a lot of fun to play.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 07:25:13 2010 No.6151283 >>6151278 Sanae is a bit stale compared to Kogasa.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 07:28:13 2010 No.6151290 >>6151283 Same goes for the whole stage. But most of them do feel dry when compared to UFO's party in the night sky.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 10:33:13 2010 No.6151652 >>6150991 You're not the only one, I beat Orin using the 3 default lives plus the extra life they give you (still ended with 0 lives and 0.65 power) but I can't beat Okuu.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 10:54:13 2010 No.6151704
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>>6150679
Fuck, I don't know.

IN was my first Touhou, and took me over a month to 1cc normal, but it's piss easy in retrospect. After that, I started working on PCB, which seemed just a little harder than IN, but still didn't take me as long to beat. Then I tried MoF, which required nothing more than learning when I could bomb and still end up back at full power, and took all of 4 days to beat. My next Touhou was EOSD, which was by far the hardest I'd played, but still a reasonable challenge.

So here I am now trying to 1cc SA, and holy fuck this game is bullshit. Every shot option is garbage, bombs are worthless, not to mention that if you bomb just once, trollolol enjoy being underpowered for the entire fucking stage because there are only about 12 power items in each level. I can understand making bombs and power items a little more scarce after MoF, but ZUN went way overboard. Not to mention the actual bullet patterns are fucking nuts. Yuugi is throwing Eternal Meek level bullshit at me, and that's only stage 3. Fuck this game. Should I just try UFO instead, is it any easier?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 10:58:13 2010 No.6151711 >>6151704 Haha suck it up, UFO is much harder but also more fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 10:59:13 2010 No.6151713 >>6151283 Kogasas last card makes me rage when I even think about it being included in a danmaku game. It's just so fucking dumb, even dumber than Utsuhos first nonspell. Like, what the fuck ZUN, seriously. The other ones are pretty sweet.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:01:13 2010 No.6151723

>>6151711

You call bullshit powerloss with no way to regain it during a bossfight fun? Or bombs that clear the whole spell including the nonspell right afterwards, just like in IN? Seriously? When I bomb I do it for survival reasons, and not "LOL I DONT LIKE THIS SPELL, X".

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:03:13 2010 No.6151730 >>6151713 Casual danmaku player here, I play normal. I usually don't participate in these threads but I am glad I'm not the only one having trouble with Kogasa's last spell. It's practically impossible to evade without bombing, at least to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:04:13 2010 No.6151737 >>6151723 >powerloss So it takes 5 more seconds to beat the next attack, deal with it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:05:13 2010 No.6151740

>>6151730

Actually I was talking about how simple and stupidly designed the spell is (like Utsuhos first nonspell).
It sometimes catches me off guard, which pisses me off even further, but usually its easy when you steer in the general direction the lasers are spinning when they begin to slow down. When you realize you're on top of one, stop. When you're flying between them, keep going. Easy like that

Anonymous of Austria Sat Sep 18 11:05:13 2010 No.6151741

>>6151704
>Every shot option is garbage
Use Reimu A. It has good damage as well as spread if needed. Can hit both ends of the screen at the same time, you can use her ability to teleport (useful in stage 5 and 6).
>bombs are worthless
Reimu's bomb lasts long enough to clear a spellcard for you = 1/5 star
>not to mention that if you bomb just once, trollolol enjoy being underpowered for the entire fucking stage because there are only about 12 power items in each level.
You don't graze enough. Move as little as possible and max out your graze meter to autocollect all items on the screen. Red enemies give power, blue enemies give point items.
Collect 4.00 power in the stage, collect star pieces in the boss fight. Don't hesitate to bomb away hard spellcards (Cat's Walk?). You get enough power after each spellcard to refill a bomb in ~2-3 spells/nonspells. It doesn't matter if you end up with 0 power after beating the boss. All that matters is that you get as many star pieces from the bosses as possible = not dying (bombing a spellcard is OK).

Then you'll just practice the stages, move the same every time you play it and never get hit.
Stage 1 is mostl streaming. 2 can't possibly kill you. Just use a bomb in stage 3 if those lasers are too much. Stage 4 is again streaming. Stage 5, use a bomb after the midboss if necessary, stage 6 is again only streaming.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:06:13 2010 No.6151742 >>6151723 >When I bomb I do it for survival reasons, and not "LOL I DONT LIKE THIS SPELL, X". Why did I laugh

>>	Anonymous of Austria Sat Sep 18 11:12:13 2010 No.6151758 >>6151740 >Utsuhos first nonspell The opener? That's free graze and a free star piece. If you only go for survival, you should be thankful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:14:13 2010 No.6151764 > Star pieces mentioned several times in thread Sorry, I forgot we were playing SM:RPG

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:14:13 2010 No.6151765

>>not to mention that if you bomb just once, trollolol enjoy being underpowered for the entire fucking stage because there are only about 12 power items in each level.

Actually there are tons of power items on stage 5. Playing on this stager, I sometimes feel like I am playing MoF - so fast my power bar refills after bombing

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:17:13 2010 No.6151770 >>6151758 I am talking about the simplicity for fucks sake, why doesn't anyone get it? I'm not happy if they throw a simple and easy as shit spell at me in a stage where I expect something harder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:19:13 2010 No.6151775 >>6151704 UFO is much easier than SA as long as you don't chase after every ufo on screen. >>6151713 I thought so too at first but once you get the hang of it that spellcard is pretty easy to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:19:13 2010 No.6151779 >>6151770 All stage 6 bosses have some trivial nospells

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 11:20:13 2010 No.6151781 >>6150706 Baseless speculation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 18 12:06:13 2010 No.6151885 >>6151781 Well, of course. I am kinda surprised you took that post I made last night at face value.

Anonymous Sat Sep 18 15:42:13 2010 No.6152641
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SA is more annoying than other games I find because it doesn't make as much use of that crescendo-ish sort of spell model. There's no difficulty buildup or tension really, it's just LOLSTUFFSTUFFSTUFFSTUFFSTUFF. I'm not saying it doesn't have good buildup cards, just... fewer than other games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 19 01:26:13 2010 No.6155257 Touhou? bump this shit

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