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5695972 No.5695972 [Reply] [Original]

Shitty writer or shittiest writer?

>> No.5695983

Shitty writer.

>> No.5695986
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5695986

Where is the best writer choice? This poll is shitty. Sage.

>> No.5696036

Higurashi was awesome, so neither.

>> No.5696461
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5696461

>>5696036
>Higurashi
>awesome

>> No.5696478

>>5696461
>Sion
>not autistic

>> No.5696479

I'd say brilliant thinker and creator of plots and ideas, but average in terms of writing quality.

>> No.5696480
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>>5696036

>> No.5696492

>>5696479
The plot and ideas of Umineko fucking suck.

>> No.5696494

He's alright but he has his head stuck way too far up his ass and gets more credit than he deserves.

>> No.5696497

Higurashi was good.
Simple, easy to love characters, made you feel for the, made you go "ooooh" at the end.

Umineko better have a decent ending that will make me go "oooh"

>> No.5696500
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5696500

Nobody can compare to Sae when it comes to writing.

>> No.5696513

>>5696500
Sae write yuri smut.

>> No.5696566

He's not the shittiest, but I wish he'd do things less convulated.

>> No.5696664

>>5696513
Sae is yuri smut

>> No.5696669

>>5696497
>oooh
I'd prefer it to be ooooooooooooooooooooooh

>> No.5696670

Higurashi: really good
Nekoshit: awful trainwreck

Japan agreed, so don't bother me about it

>> No.5696673

I hope he drops magic / time loops / whatever the hell is going on in umineko. for pure mystery story, chapter 1 of umineko is damn brilliant.

Though maybe the right ending can save umineko, who knows..

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>>5696566
> convulated.

>> No.5696685

>>5696566
>convulated
Reported.

>> No.5696714

Having played Meakishi recently, I really wonder what the fuck happened to Ryuukishi.

Meakishi made me feel for Shion, almost managed to make me cry, the story was interesting and suspenseful, I cared about every characters.

Compared to this, Umineko just feels so cheap and stupid.

>> No.5696726

>>5696714
finally someone agrees with me.
Meakashi made me cry as well. it was just such a great arc. what happened Ryukishi? Umineko has never made me cry.

>> No.5696766

>>5696726
Too many characters, hasn't fleshed them out enough.

>> No.5696782

>>5696714
>>5696726
Pretty much. I think Umineko has some scenes where Ryuukishi's potential comes through (mostly in EP3, a bit in 4). But these are very few and far between (and what's between them is pretty bad) whereas Higurashi is full of amazing scenes and the cast and story are much better.

>> No.5696797

>>5696782
>mostly in EP3
Ep3 was the only one that made me interested the whole way through. The rest was just a headache.

>> No.5696870
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The whole idea behind the mystery genre is that things truly aren't as they are first laid out.
Now in Umineko things are laid out as murders done by a witch, that however has been denied from the beginning so it doesn't matter.
So if we ignore the witch and look at what's laid out next, we get ShKanon among others.
If this is true, then Ryukishi has failed as a mystery writer and he shouldn't refer to his own work as a mystery novel, neither inside his work or outside it.

In a proper mystery novel there should be yet another sulution.
Not the one that's impossible, not the one that's first laid out after you ignore the impossible, but something else.

I guess we will see how good or bad of a writer Ryukishi turns out to be soon.
Third time reposting this, but it sums up my feelings on the matter.

>> No.5696884

>>5696870
I've seen all three times you've posted this.

>> No.5696918

>>5696870
While true to an extent, a story is still supposed to be entertaining or interesting throughout. Even if Umineko has a great ending it won't change the fact that the majority of the episodes are a chore to read through. You can't judge the quality of something by just the ending.

>> No.5696933

>>5696870
Can you explain how Shkannon is somehow the first laid out solution after ruling out magic instead of the fucktons of other shit people came up with before it?

>> No.5696977

>>5696933
ShKanon is one of the first theory people have thought up though.
And honestly a Kanon culprit in episode 1 is quite obvious no matter how you see it.

>> No.5696984

>>5696977
And Shkanontrice was the first theory to come from episode 6.

>> No.5697032

>>5696984
From the answer arc, you mean? The answer that many people had already reached but was still hotly debated, that the main theme of the episode was clearly to confirm?

>> No.5697119

>>5696714
>>5696726
I don't know, I've cried enough with Battler and some other characters. I can easily imagine his feeling and the pain of being forced to accept the false truth and lies.
It's not that something happened, it's just different presentation and point of the story, imo.

>> No.5697318

>>5696685
>>5696677
Strange, my spellcheck didn't sign it's mistyped. My apologies.

>> No.5697331

>>5697119
well i guess, I cant relate to Battler.
Im not, and never will have a battle in a meta world full of witches and shit.
in higurashi, its more close to home.
It's a group of friends at school, Rena is troubled by her father's girlfriend. Keiichi is having problems trusting people. Shion is troubled by a boy she has a crush on, who left her and she has no idea where he is. Satoko is troubled by her abusive uncle and her brother who left her.

its just a more realistic situation with these characters, so i can feel for them.

>> No.5697339

Why does RK look so much like Jet Li?

>> No.5697368

>>5697339
Actually, his head reminds me of an eggplant.

>> No.5697412

>Umineko is popular, therefore Ryukishi is a shitty writer
Ryukishi is a fucking amazing writer and you know it.

>> No.5697416

>>5697331
>Im not, and never will have a battle in a meta world full of witches and shit.
For me it's not about "witches and shit", I don't particularly like those LOLMAGIC scenes. It's more about mystery and about metaphors of truth and lies, bullshit "magic" interpretations of simple events and rational scientific/atheistic approach, justice and hiding the truth. Well, at least it was, I'm not sure where this is going now.

>its more close to home. It's a group of friends at school
>...
And that's the genre I don't really like.

>> No.5697435

>>5697412
Twilight is popular and therefore Stephenie Meyer is an amazing writer.

Yeah, it doesn't work that way.
And Umineko isn't even that popular.

>> No.5697442

>>5697435
>Umineko isn't even that popular
>half of the threads on /jp/ are Umineko threads
And I'm not saying Ryukishi is a great writer because Umineko is popular, you people are saying he's a shitty writer because Umineko is popular.
I'm saying Ryukishi is an amazing writer regardless of popularity.

>> No.5697450

>>5697435
Popular enough that half the threads on /jp/ have been about it since EP6 was translated. And we (the English-speaking community) aren't even the main target audience.

>> No.5697452

>>5697442
/jp/ talking about it =/= Umineko being popular
If you talk about pure popularity as a VN in Japan, Umineko isn't even close to Higurashi.
And this is where it matter considering it's where it gets sales and shit.

>> No.5697471

>>5697452
Obviously the average Japanese can't match /jp/'s refined tastes.

>> No.5697485

I think R07 is an amazing writer for suspense and terror.

However, mystery is not his forte.

He tries to make something complicated over simple things. Someone said doing that is common-place, and that true talent stems from turning something complicated into a simple matter.

So far, his mysteries have been far too convoluted to be able to solve them in a simple manner. The best mysteries are the ones who have a simple answer, even if arriving to is is rather difficult. R07's answers are not simple at all. They rely too much on wordplay, and they sometimes seem outlandish and unrealistic, even if they do have hints pointing towards them.

If he really wants to become a proper mystery writer, he needs to drop those overtly convoluted answers, and start working with simple, realist ones.

This are my 2 cents on this matter.

>> No.5697509

Amount of discussion, pure popularity and critical acclaim aren't the same thing.
Here, one of the most famous first line in a novel sums it up quite well:
"Happy families are all alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way"

It's just not very fun to talk about stuff that are awesome or perfect, do you see lots of Symphonic Rain threads even though everyone seem to agree that it's amazing for example?

You just say, "yeah it's great" and that's all.
It's much more fun for anyone to nitpick about something that have a lot of problems but it doesn't mean they care about this more than the other "perfect" work.

>> No.5697543

>>5697509
Add to this that Umineko is a mystery, a genre that is pretty much made for discussion.

>> No.5697593
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>>5697485
>I think R07 is an amazing writer for suspense and terror.
>However, mystery is not his forte.
I totally agree on this. Ryukishi should try to write a pure suspense story sometime.

>> No.5697599

We don`t have many good translated games.
The few good ones offer nothing to discuss. Saya for example.

Umineko is good and offers much to discuss.

>> No.5697626

>>5697593
Nasu creates a world.
Ryukishi makes the suspense.
Uruboshi writes the action.
Is this right?

>> No.5697643

>>5697593
We need more Nitroplus games to be translated.

>> No.5697650

>>5697643
Support JAST USA's official localizations of Nitro+ games!

>> No.5697654

>>5697626
Multiple authors rarely works outside of "allstars team" fanwank.

>> No.5697659

The suspense was only good in the first episode in Umineko.

>> No.5697662

>>5697599
Too bad most of the discussions are completely stupid.
I guess it shows the level of Umineko though.

>> No.5697663

>>5697452
And it's funny, because Umineko SN sales are bigger than Higurashi SN.

>> No.5697671

>>5697663
Which is completely false by the way.
Higurashi sold more, far more.

>> No.5697686

>>5697599
>We don`t have many good translated games.
Actually, a lot. It's just that the "untranslated goodness" is constantly hyped so you keep thinking it's better, but actually you already have most of the best games available. If you don't find most of them good, it's because of the whole medium's limits, not of the single games.

>> No.5697705

>>5697686
Most of my favorites are untranslated so no point to even try to discuss them here.

>> No.5697709

>>5697705
Why not? You could be surprised.

>> No.5697808

Very shitty writer. Not the worst though

>> No.5697835

Of course he's a shitty writer. Just look where he works.

If he worked in a place more iluminated, Umineko wouldn't be so shitty.

>> No.5697843

>>5697032
...no. I mean Shkanon was very popular before episode 6, but there was no talk of Shkanontrice. I mean literally no talk, none. The term first appeared after episode 6.

>> No.5697981

Wasn't Ookamikakushi mostly a suspense/thriller? That sucked though.

>> No.5697999

You know what I realized after re-reading episode 1 after episode 6?

That Episode 1 is actually good and that I had just forgotten.
No magical bullshit, the antagonist cannot be seen and hides under under the disguise of the witch, a witch who is also never seen.
In Episode 1 we truly didn't know anything about Beatrice, what we knew was stories about a witch.
No meta-nonsense and it actually kind of felt as a mystery novel.
And the majority of the episode was also about the the family itself, and from their perspective, and not some third person perspective through some meta thing with knowledge from previous episodes.

Now the meta stuff and everything all serve their purpose, and while they are all neccesary to solve the mystery, they also did in a way move the novel outside of the mystery genre and altered the feel of everything.
I felt a quite sudden dop in quality from ep2+, but at first the new percpective felt interesting at least, and the purpose was after all to solve the mystery of he first episode as well, the episode who was actually good.

>> No.5698022

>>5697452

It's not as popular as Higurashi, but it's still very popular.

>> No.5698042

>>5695972

Looks kind of smug.

>> No.5698077

>>5697999

I don't remember liking much, but I do remember hating ep 5 the most because it had the least amount of mystery elements in it (somewhat ironically, since Bern was going on about the "laws" of mystery genre). Erika did no actual detective work in 5, she just appealed to invisible gods and divine rules. It was bullshit through and through.

>> No.5698079

>>5698077
>I don't remember liking much

...liking ep 1 much...

>> No.5698103

The only episode I liked a lot was episode 3 honestly.
Otherwise I have much more fun arguing and making theory about this as playing the game.
Episode 6 for example was almost a torture at time.

>> No.5698124

He's not Nasu.

>> No.5698147 [DELETED] 

>>5697999
>That Episode 1 is actually good and that I had just forgotten.

You are delusional

Ep 1 first half was awful, boring and full of unnecessary shit.

The second half was great, but you can't write 8 novels like, it would get boring quickly.

Also, what make me and many people like Umineko is the Meta-aspect, that makes Umineko different from any mystery.

Answering to op: He has some good ideas and know is shit, but like many VNs writers he has a lot of problems when it comes to exposition (well, at least he's not Nasu and manages to not make the characters look completely dump while talking)

God tier when it comes to horror, though. I played many horror games, and i shivered in ep I.

>> No.5698152

>>5698147
>That Episode 1 is actually good and that I had just forgotten.

You are delusional

Ep 1 first half was awful, boring and full of unnecessary shit.

The second half was great, but you can't write 8 novels like, it would get boring quickly.

Also, what make me and many people like Umineko is the Meta-aspect, that makes Umineko different from any mystery.

Answering to op: He has some good ideas and know his shit, but like many VNs writers he has a lot of problems when it comes to exposition (well, at least he's not Nasu and manages to not make the characters look completely dump while talking)

God tier when it comes to horror, though. I played many horror games, and i shivered in ep I.

>> No.5698161

He can write fun character and good bitchy girls.

>> No.5698163

>>5698124
Don't compare him to Nasu.
Nasu has consistency. I blame the format for it though. He clearly ran out of idea after ep4 and is stuck on repeating shit that we already know. Just look at how all the twilight end halfway later and he kept introducing new characters because HE RAN OUT OF IDEA for crimes. He clearly dragged umineko past its expiry date.

>> No.5698175

That's not Zun.

>> No.5698186

>>5698161
this, he good at making characters and good personalities for his characters

>> No.5698195

He is a god at wasting pages.
Compare episode 1 to episode 6.
Simply look at the things we learned through time.
Nothing much, that's what.
Reading Umineko is like running on a treadmill, everything we've seen, all the concepts that were introduced, everything could have been shown in 2 episodes, 3 at most.
And yes I'm counting all the meta-world concepts.

>> No.5698205

>>5698186
We must be reading a different Umineko.
Most of the characters in it are fucking bland despite all the time given to develop them.

>> No.5698221

>>5698163
>Just look at how all the twilight end halfway later and he kept introducing new characters because HE RAN OUT OF IDEA for crimes

Ep I-IV introduced way more characters, in ep V we have Dlanor and Erika who important for the mystery resolution.

>> No.5698226

>>5698205

I disagree

Some are good, some are shitty

>> No.5698233

Very creative but goddamn he needs an editor like super super badly.

>> No.5698239

>>5698226
Only good character is Beatrice but that's only because she is the mystery of the whole game.
Lambda and Bern are good at making weird faces and are entertaining but not interesting at all.
Erika was as good at making weird faces but she was only tailored to be an antagonist.
Rest of the fantasy characters aren't even worth mentioning.
The characters of the gameboard are all very bland.

>> No.5698252

He works alone, and dose everything himself.., of course it wont be perfect.

>> No.5698255

>>5698239
>opinions

Okay.

>> No.5698277
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>>5698239
>The characters of the gameboard are all very bland.
>Kyrie
>Kinzo

>> No.5698288

>>5698252

Kyrie is just a stereotypical tough smart woman.
Kinzo is just a stereotypical insane occultist.

>> No.5698291

>>5698277
Kyrie barely got any screentime.
Kinzo is just a plot device rather than a character.

>> No.5698299

>>5698288
>Kinzo is just a stereotypical insane occultist.

You forgot "traditional short-tempered business tycoon hermit reverse weeaboo"

>> No.5698333

When I grow up I want to be just like Kinzo

>> No.5698406

>>5697485

It said at the start that Umineko was not your average mystery, and that there was no guarantee it was even solvable. Obviously, that last bit has changed over the eps and we know believe it to be solvable. But still, it's not as if he was ever claiming to write a typical mystery. It was always going to be full of unfair twists.

>> No.5698448

>>5697999

I have to agree with what the other anon said, Episode 1 was hard to sift to until the second half and it would be completely boring to do another 7 or even 3 episodes just like that. The gameboard characters are relatively bland(possibly on purpose, just because they're rich doesn't mean they're interesting!!!), the Meta characters are full of life and are what makes it worth reading.

I do agree the "suspense" aspect is what R07 is very good at writing. But I think it's unfair to call him a bad mystery writer when so many people post so much about how to solve his mysteries.

We don't need yet another Agatha Christie style murder mystery. There are thousands of those. Umineko is inspired by that, but brings it's own stuff to the table. The mystery is in many ways a metaphor for something else. I feel Episode 1 was more about the horror and suspense than the "Mystery", something which is still present in Episode 6.

I also think from the point of view of mystery solvin', Episode's 5 scene in the great hall was just great. Of course it was nothing like how a normal mystery novel would do anything. But that's part of the point.

>> No.5698534

>>5697452

Umineko's popularity has nothing to do with the quality of it's writing.

Higurashi was essentially a Key-style novel with murders and shit in it. It appealed to the traditionalistic japanese sense of "This is a nice old town/village", it was something familiar and easy to get into. The characters were colourful as opposed to the style of Umineko which I found somewhat offputting at first(mostly because gothic/victorian character designs + oversaturated colours don't work, maybe it's intentional to make them look larger than life, I don't know).

Umineko appeals to some degree to the "Westernaboo" element that's strong in japanese culture, but is overall very alien and perhaps unappealing to the average japanese. Umineko, in general, is harder to relate to. That doesn't make it "Bad". I don't believe stories should always be written to make them identifiable to the lowest common denominator. I think Umineko in some ways says a lot more about "the human condition" or whatever bullshit than Higurashi. But it's harder to identify with a bunch of witches and rich guys.

>> No.5698536

Higurashi was also a more straightforward horror. Umineko is a twisted murder mystery with an often bizarre set of rules that are hard for most people to put into action.

I don't think Umineko was designed to be "as popular" as Higurashi. I think it was designed to be a story R07 wanted to tell, and ideas he wanted to get across. Unfortunately because of that, it took a hit in terms of popularity and ratings when compared to Higurashi.

Umineko has a much more compelling plot than Higurashi, really. But it's hard to see how Higurashi isn't far more accessible for the average Nippon.

Overall I find it pretty fucking stupid to say "JUST BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR ON /jp/ DOESN'T MAKE IT GOOD" when you're pulling the equally fallacious "IT'S NOT AS WELL RECIEVED AS HIGURASHI, SO IT'S SHIT".

Higurashi was extremely popular and creating something to live up to it would both be hard work and a lot of luck.

>> No.5698568

>>5698534
>Umineko appeals to some degree to the "Westernaboo" element that's strong in japanese culture, but is overall very alien and perhaps unappealing to the average japanese

That's a fucking lot of bullshit.

>> No.5698608

Guys guys, your forgetting who is really causing the murders.
>The Wizard
It is obvious the witches couldn't do it so that just leaves the Wizard who has been there the whole time.

>> No.5698632

>>5698568
Apparently, a western mansion, shitty clothes and names no western person will willingly acknowledge make it have a western feeling.

>> No.5698635

>>5698536
>JUST BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR ON /jp/
It is popular but most of us already realize the fucking bullshit he will pull and the comments and reception are mostly negative.

I wont really call umineko shit since i did enjoyed the earlier episodes but it is nowhere near the toptier of eroge/vn.
70+ rating is pretty much umineko acceptable rating.

>> No.5698637

>>5695972
Just shitty.
I have seen much, much worse.

>> No.5698646

>>5698534

May be just as much that compared to Higurashi, which used fairly well recognized and mundane 80's imagery, the character designs for and naming conventions in Umineko are hilarious on later Final Fantasy level, and it only adds to the hilarity how they seriously try to pass them off as believeable.

You need herculean suspension of disbelief to accept Umineko to take place in the Japanese region in the 80's. I can't do it.

>> No.5698672

>>5698646
Because taking place in Germany or ANY place at any time is more likely?

>> No.5698693

normal people started liking his work

so no

r-r-r-r-right /jp/??

>> No.5698703

>>5698693
...Normal?

>> No.5698706

this guy didn't write umineko

didn't you read ep6?

>> No.5698719

umineko should be from ep 1 to 4 and maybe 5

>> No.5698727

>>5698703
He means the pathetic faggots you can find in sites like gamefaqs or animesuki probably.

Normal people don't even know what Umineko is, neither in the western world or in Japan.

>> No.5698735

>>5698646
>You need herculean suspension of disbelief to accept Umineko to take place in the Japanese region in the 80's. I can't do it.

You don't have to.

You are in closed mansion in the middle of a seastorm.

And Ange is set in 2000+

>> No.5698747

>>5698672

No.

>> No.5698775

>>5698727
I would never call the people who hang out in Animesuki normal.
The moment you are interested in VNs, you have entered a different crowd.

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>>5698735

It doesn't take less suspension of disbelief to get around the fact you're stuck in the house with a Japanese guy named Battler, Bela Lugosi with white beard, a little girl with a crown, and nobody finds this the slightest unusual.

Although, I guess I could adapt...

>> No.5698886

Umineko appeals to me, while Higurashi doesn't. I've had the question arcs of Higurashi sitting on my HD ever since they came out, and I've barely started the third arc. I just find it difficult to read through, which is odd considering that Umineko would be much more polarizing and difficult to get into. Higurashi was, as some anon mentioned earlier, a VN which heavily borrowed from Key works/other popular VNs, with a dark twist at the end, involving murder. That struck a chord with Japan. I find Umineko much more fascinating, and I couldn't care less if a lot of people think that it's badly written. I highly enjoy it.

>> No.5699114

>>5698735
>1998
>2000+
Sure thing, bro.

I don't get why people compare Higurashi to Key works. I've played Kanon, Clannad and Little Busters, but just can't see the similarities to Higurashi.
Or is everything with friends and slice-of-life inspired by Key nowadays?

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Actually, while we're on the subject of Ryukishi07, what do we know about him? OP's pic is the only pic I've ever seen of him, and all I know outside of that is the small amount of text on Wikipedia:
>Ryukishi07 (竜騎士07, Ryūkishi rei nana?, born November 19, 1973) is the pen name of a Japanese man originally from Chiba Prefecture who is well-known as the original creator for the idea of the visual novel series Higurashi no Naku Koro ni and Umineko no Naku Koro ni. He is the representative member of the group 07th Expansion. His pen name originated from Reina of Final Fantasy V — "07" in Japanese can be pronounced as "reinana", and "Ryukishi" means "dragon knight", referring to Reina's wyvern. The character Rena Ryugu from his work, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, comes from Reina of Final Fantasy V as well. His illustration style is recognizable from the large hands he draws to people.
He wrote Higurashi, Umineko and Ookamikakushi, and he's working on Rewrite. He seems to also have written the novel 'Kaidan to Odorō, Soshite Anata wa Kaidan de Odoru' and seems to be the writer for the manga 'Higanbana no Saku Yoru ni', but I never hear anything about those.

>> No.5699152

>>5699114
R07 himself claimed that Kanon and Air (who he consider a god game) have influenced Higurashi though.
Heck you just have the whole Au Au, Miiii, etc... type of weird noises that are pretty typical of Key.
There is a reason why he is now working on Rewrite.

>> No.5699166

>>5699114
>2 age of difference

OH WHAT A BIG GAAP

>I don't get why people compare Higurashi to Key works. I've played Kanon, Clannad and Little Busters, but just can't see the similarities to Higurashi.

R07 said he like these novels, and he was inspired by the whole "slice of life first, drama later".

>> No.5699185

>>5699136
>Actually, while we're on the subject of Ryukishi07, what do we know about him?

His boyfriend died last year.

>> No.5699275

>>5699185

That's really sad :(

>> No.5699284

>>5699185
>His boyfriend

>> No.5699314

>>5699284

What are you, Xenophobic?

>> No.5699323

>>5699314
I hate faggots.

>> No.5699326

>>5699323


Well, guess what, you are one.

>> No.5699366

>>5699326
That would make him homophobic though... Xenophobes hate foreigners...

>> No.5699406

Isn't BT his brother?

>> No.5699431

>>5699406
Nope. BT was his best friend. His brother is also party of the team though.

>> No.5699436

>>5699431
Is that what we call sexual partners of the same gender now? "Best friends"?

>> No.5699495

>>5699436
As far as I know them being 'sexual partners' is just a joke/rumor.

>> No.5699502

>>5699495
Most gay romance among people who won't get caught (someone not very famous like Ryukishi, for example) is easily hidden by the facade of 'its just a rumor!'

>> No.5699528

I'd be more interested if Ryukishi and his brother were gay for each other

>> No.5699535

>>5699502
>Most gay romance among people who won't get caught (someone not very famous like Ryukishi, for example) is easily hidden by the facade of 'its just a rumor!'
Yes, this is true, but there is no basis for believing that BT was anything more than his best friend. The fans were just joking about it because of Beato dying and Battler angsting in the game, that's all.

>> No.5699549

>>5699535
Just accept he's gay, it's not very kind of you to deny his true self.

>> No.5699550

>>5699436

I fucked two of my best friends, so why not.

>> No.5699556

BT died before Umineko was written, Ryukishi hid the fact.

Umineko is Ryukishi's way of reviving BT by killing off all his readers unless they solve the mystery.

>> No.5699562

>>5699556
Did he also burn his body in a boiler room?

>> No.5699564

>>5699535

R07 started Higurashi because he wanted to write for him.

Also, he isn't married irc.

>> No.5699573

>>5699550
I wish I was your best friend ;_;

>> No.5699588

>>5699573


I..wat

>> No.5699594

>>5699564
I know this, and even if it were true I wouldn't have a problem with it - why would I? It's just that what you mentioned isn't proof and we don't know shit about the guy except his pseudonym.

>> No.5699645

>HEY THIS GUY IS GAY!
>Where's the proof?
>I DUNNO IT'S JUST A RUMOR BUT HE HAS TO BE GAY!
>I don't think so.
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN DON'T DENY IT YOU KNOW HE'S A FAG!
>But all we're going by is rumors, there's no proof for either way; I just think he probably isn't gay.
>FUCK YOU, YOU'RE A HOMOPHOBE!
>Whatever.

Repeat for every "writer/sports player/politician/etc. is gay" rumor. Even though gay politician rumors turn out to be true 99% of the time.

>> No.5699653

>>5699645
It's not even a rumor, it's just a joke. Jesus, guys.

>> No.5699657

>>5699645

You speak like being gay is something incredible rare and impossible.

>> No.5699688

How to write an episode of Umineko:
1. Start with a theme thrown right in everyone's face and spend 70% of the time on it, but explain nothing about it
2. Early on, Battler "wins" some small battle and believes he already won
3. Later on during the climax, Battler's previous theory is destroyed and he suddenly becomes retarded and fails to do anything else.
4. Long after the real moment has passed and he loses, Battler suddenly comes back and pulls some random shit out of his ass in a shonen like scene. This attempts to make everyone forget that Battler is stupid as hell.
5. WRITE NEXT EPISODE

>> No.5699690

He lives in his parents store

>> No.5699737

>>5699688
You forgot the obligatory cliffhanger that destroys any belief that Battler could win.

>> No.5699744

So /jp/ knows nothing about Ryukishi07 other than the fact that he might be gay?

Damn. Is he as mysterious as Hachijo or something? Surely there's got to be more info on the guy.

>> No.5699762

>>5699744
Not sure what kind of info you mean, I mean most people don't exactly have that much of an interesting life.

Especially not the type of people who sit on a computer typing mediocre circular stories over and over again.

I doubt there's much to say other than 'he uses a computer a lot' 'he types a lot' 'he is asian' 'he eats asian food'.

>> No.5699773

>>5699688
>Early on, Battler "wins" some small battle and believes he already won
>Later on during the climax, Battler's previous theory is destroyed and he suddenly becomes retarded and fails to do anything else.
>Long after the real moment has passed and he loses, Battler suddenly comes back and pulls some random shit out of his ass in a shonen like scene. This attempts to make everyone forget that Battler is stupid as hell.

/jp/ in a nutshell.

>> No.5699781

As someone said earlier, I think Ryuukishi's biggest problem (repetition of details/storyboarding stuff) could be fixed if he found himself an editor. Those problems aside, I think he's got talent when it comes to certain kinds of writing.

Read back over the "Banquet of the Witch" scene at the end of Episode 2. The reason it's memorable isn't just because of Worldenddominator. The actual writing is of a higher level than what we normally see:
it's focused and concise, but it doesn't skimp on details, and it actually makes use of some great metaphors.

>> No.5699785

>>5699688
How to write a story:
1. Introduce the settings, characters and basic plot.
2. Start writing the plot, where everything goes okay for the protagonist.
3. Introduce a problem.
4. Resolve the problem in an emotionally satisfying way.
5. Write an epilogue.

Works for 90% of all stories.

>> No.5699788

>>5699781
>The reason it's memorable

But I honestly have no idea what part you're even talking about.

If you think something's "memorable" to everyone just because it is to you, that's just retarded.

>> No.5699811

>>5699781
>The actual writing is of a higher level than what we normally see
You probably don't read much.

Honestly I don't hate R07 but he is far from being one of my favored writer.
The fact that his skill aren't top tier is pretty apparent in Rewrite for example where the scenes of Lucia, and it's really really obvious that he wrote them, don't feel as well written as the rest of the trial.
I just hope that Lucia's route won't stick out like a sore thumb in the final product.

>> No.5699832

I would go sailor mars on you all, but it's anon chat.

And yes. Ryukishi has GOT to stop with all the "That's right...." comments he throws in.

>> No.5699833

>>5699762
Does he write fulltime or does he have another job besides it? What are his inspirations? (We've heard 'Kanon' and 'Air' so far. Anything else?) What inspired him to put themes of child abuse and being locked up at a strict all-girls school in both of his main works? Stuff like that.

>> No.5699879

>>5699833
You had said
>So /jp/ knows nothing about Ryukishi07[...]

I meant for things unrelated to his writing or inspirations there's really nothing to know about HIM. You're talking about his writing, not his person.

As for inspirations, why do people always ask that, why's it fucking matter? It's all people asked this year at AX too and never had before, I guess its the new buzz.

>> No.5699905

I like R07s work. i mean they are not really amazing, thought provoking, or life changing, but they are pretty decent and they do a good job of keeping me entertained.

>> No.5699987

I have to echo the comments about Ryukishi needing an editor. Some of the episodes could be trimmed by 50% at least. His repetition and reminding us of stuff we already know and having these long scenes where the characters come up with their own theories on how to solve the mysteries really need to get cut out. Umineko would be a lot more readable, and rereadable, if he did that.

Also, I do think Ryukishi has kind of gotten off track with the Core arcs. People complain about there not being any mystery in eps 5 + 6. But all the mysteries already happened in 1-4. We're not supposed to be getting mysteries now. But we are supposed to be getting answers.

But Ryukishi has used the last two episodes primarily to develop the relationship between Beato and Battler at the expense of providing us any answers to the mysteries that have been built up. Not that it's bad to develop their relationship, but it kind of derails the whole mystery part of the story. It's looking like ep 7 might be one long "answer dump", instead of gradual revelations to mysteries and having Battler piece together the clues himself.

I like Ryukishi's writing. I think he's good at describing scenes and action and character interaction and all that shit. I appreciate that he's trying to do something wild and different with Umineko. But his pacing is way off, and he really needs an editor bad.

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>>5699136
There are many his pics.

>> No.5700021

^SNIFF. SAVED.

>> No.5700073

>>5699987
>People complain about there not being any mystery in eps 5 + 6. But all the mysteries already happened in 1-4. We're not supposed to be getting mysteries now. But we are supposed to be getting answers.
THIS.

So there is someone with a brain on this board, after all.

>> No.5700115

>>5700073
He said that 5-6 won't be "answer arcs", unlike Higurashi.

>> No.5700152

>>5700115
Because he won't explain each and every trick, locked room, etc - that's why they're core arcs and not answer arcs. It doesn't change the fact that these EPs are meant to tell the ones who have already guessed the solution 'yes, you're right' and finally to unravel everything about the culprit and their motives, which will probably happen in the next EP. The core arcs aren't meant to give you more mysteries to solve, or the series would never end.

>> No.5700166

R07 said this :

Ryuukishi: About that. For example, in an online game, let's say that there's an ultra-rare item that you have to work really hard to obtain. If that item suddenly becomes easy to get in an update patch, you'd be annoyed and want to get all that wasted time back, wouldn't you? (laughs) In Umineko, if we show in detail how all the tricks work and who the culprit is, people who have reasoned it out and found their own answer will wonder 'What was the point of all my efforts figuring it out?!', so I'd like to create a slight gap between those who have reached the answer and those who haven't.

If this tale were to tell you the answer so plainly that you didn't have to think about it, it would no longer be a game.

For that reason, I want to let people who have thought everything out be confident that the answer they have found is the right one. This may give further hints to those who still haven't figured out everything, but they will not be able to understand the one final point...

That is how I want to write. That is why this work called Umineko is a 'game'.

He talked about Ep 7 too. He only said this:

However, I think we will be giving out an extremely merciless answer in EP7.

>> No.5700261

It was a dream all along. -The End-

You heard it here first.

>> No.5701119

Bump.

>> No.5701622

>>5700166
>will not be able to understand the one final point...
>That is how I want to write. That is why this work called Umineko is a 'game'.
How he spies on the fans and changes the plot accordingly to mess with them?

>However, I think we will be giving out an extremely merciless answer in EP7.
I believe the answer should be fairly undeniable in the end, otherwise there will just be a bunch of people claiming their own theories are right, and thus no one will know for sure.
Besides, in online games, the people (with no lives) spend their time gathering special items in order to get them -before- others, as if it would satisfy their ego in some way.

>> No.5701632

>>5701622
Actually they usually gather special items because there is no 'before' or 'after' for SPECIAL items, they usually are limited in quantity.

>> No.5701711

>>5700166
>However, I think we will be giving out an extremely merciless answer in EP7.

Didn't he say that for End or Dawn...? I'm sure that he did.

>> No.5701778

>>5701711
Don't expect anything, he's already gone nuts and is fuckin' up everything he's done

>> No.5701887

>>5700166

>so I'd like to create a slight gap between those who have reached the answer and those who haven't.

So he's essentially going out of his way to not do anything with the mystery aspect of the story for a couple episodes to let the people who think they've figured everything out feel special about themselves?

It's no wonder mystery fags are hating Chiru.

>> No.5701982

>>5698534
>>5698536
And I find it stupid to say "Umineko isn't as popular because the masses don't 'get' it and can't appreciate Ryuukishi's true vision." Any excuse to justify why something is or isn't popular based on assumptions about why people do or don't like it is stupid, because unless you conducted a wide scale survey on it you're going to be talking out your ass.

Also the fact that you call Higurashi a "straightforward horror" makes me wonder if you've even read it. There's barely any horror after the first two chapters.

>> No.5702110

>>5701982
>There's barely any horror after the first two chapters.

Christ, this. I went in expecting constant paranoia and fear, left with 80% slice of life bullshit.

>> No.5702148

umineko 1 was the best because it wasnt disney

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5702168

Bern better ruthlessly troll B&B, dlanor, jessica, shannon, Beatrice, Kanon, Kyrie, angus and so on in episode 7 and possibly super bro-paper.

>> No.5702208

Shittiest writer.

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I enjoy his works. I find them interesting and engaging on all levels.

So there.

>> No.5702428

>>5702168
>angus

>> No.5702783

bump

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