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[Anonymous No.]

So ShKanontrice confirmed, fiction confirmed, bomb confirmed.
What do you guys think of Umineko now, still taking it seriously?


Oh and by confirmed I mean that R07 basically said "1 + 1 = ?", most people who aren't completely dumb would know the answer but you'll always have the biggest retards at the back of the class who will yell NO IT'S NOT TRUE 1 + 1 CAN'T MEAN 2 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
But who care about them?

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!XzNn/qDPbir No.]

Nope.

[Mirrored !EhE8ram93U No.]

>>5622295

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, it's gonna be worst than brain parasites.

What a hack job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622373
An example of that sort of retard.

[None !MooksNsjSI No.]

>>5622360
1 can equal 2 in algebra,bro, what's your point

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622360

How the fuck would you even come to that conclusion? Bomb theory was disproved ages ago and there's no evidence for Kanon being Shannon seeing how they ARE IN THE SAME ROOM AT THE SAME TIME AND LOVED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

Some people take it way too far.

[Mirrored !EhE8ram93U No.]

>>5622398
Evidence for Kanon being Shannon.

In EP1, Shannon uses the 1st twilight to publicly disappear. After this is accomplished she leaves the shed and is Kanon.
In EP3, Kanon's body is moved out of the Chapel after, redressed by George as Kanon, and her corpse is presented once again. Both of the bodies have Identical Wounds.
Kanon's body is not found in EP2 or EP4 but he is confirmed dead. Shannon is also dead when this is confirmed.

EP6 has it as the main theme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622398
Bomb theory is proven in Erika's tip at the end of the game.
Also in the most recent interview.

Also for ShKanon, yeah you are just a complete retard so no use arguing with you, fucking episode 6 hammers it so fucking much there is basically no room for discussion.
Moron.

[Anonymous No.]

Teatrice did it, you dumb fucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622423
Not possible. You are wrong.

[Mirrored !EhE8ram93U No.]

>>5622423

There is actually room for discussion.

It depends on the interpretation of this:

"Even if we welcome you, the number of people is 17."

Does that mean, there are only 16 real people on the island?

Or does that mean, there are exactly 17 real people and Furudo Erika is not a real person for the purposes of that number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622356

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5622423
your just a turd who likes to read too much into a childrens game

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622443
No, what you have to wonder is, what is the point of this red text?
If you consider that Erika didn't exist, what does it solve?
There is no room for discussion, look at the big picture and it's fucking obvious.

[Mirrored !EhE8ram93U No.]

>>5622459
In the case I argued, but do not necessarily believe is more credible than Shannon is Kanon, that text serves to say this.

"Before now, Furudo, we have been tolerant and have allowed the possibility that you were here. We have done this by saying their could be an 18th person, Furudo Erika. We have let you into this game. Now, categorically, WE DENY THAT YOU EXIST AS A PERSON ON THIS ISLAND THAT DAY. There are 17 people only. You were not there. You are not real. Goodbye."

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622487
Which is stupid considering he would have done this when he was in danger if it was true.

Anyways it's just trying to run away from the obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

Some people still don't believe in ShKanon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622517
And we'll be laughing at you when it's proven that Shkanon doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622532
I'm sure you dream of it.
Too bad it won't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622536
Too bad you'll blend with us posting something like 'Haha, told you faggots that it didn't exist?!'

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622551
It's like trying to argue with a 4 years old kid, there is no point.

I will be clear, if you don't see ShKanon by the end of episode 6, you most likely have some kind of mental illness, go seek some help.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope Shkanon is proven wrong in EP7, since EP6 finally convinced me that it's true and even had me support the direction it was taking things.

Because that would simply be the most appropriate for this kind of story.

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!XzNn/qDPbir No.]

I'm more interested in what that third sack was Asmodeus mentioned~.

[Anonymous No.]

Even if Shkanon(trice) is pretty much true, what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

At most, they're manipulated to do the murders, they can't be the actual culprit.

Enjoy your 'George is the culprit' end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622360
>What do you guys think of Umineko now, still taking it seriously?

Who ever said I took it seriously?

I am enjoying the fuck out of all this. After all, I did find out the truth after reading EP3--it's about trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls, so it doesn't even matter what happens. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the ride now.

[Anonymous No.]

Not really related to the thread, but anyway: How long is EP6? I want to know if I'll be able to finish it in the next 24 hours, I've already read 2-3 hours of it. I know reading speeds differ etc, (I consider myself a pretty fast reader though), but could someone estimate how long it'll take?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622599
Except for solving the who did it, how he did and why he did?

Yeah ShKanontrice brings nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622608
You are the kind of reader R07 hates the most though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622626
It's the typical 10-11 hours, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622636
Haha, like I care.

You have no idea how hard I've laughed at this whole series. It's great stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622640
oh, okay. then its not a problem.
I just thought it might be especially long for some reason, probably because W-H "was" going to release it in two parts

[Anonymous No.]

>[red]I'll lower that one for Kinzo, 17 people[/red]
>[red]Erika Furudo didn't have any influence on games 1-4[/red]

Thus:
[ ]Unknown person X exists on the island
[ ]Shkanonfags are retarded.

Pick one.

[Mirrored !EhE8ram93U No.]

>>5622657
It means "No More than 17" not "17 exactly".

This makes Shannon is Kanon possible and unknown person X impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622657
I choose the third option, you are a fucking retard.

Number of people = x
First, x =< 18
Then Kinzo is confirmed dead, it's stated that x =< 17

Then Erika appears, red text confirms that the number of people is now x + 1.
Basically (x =< 17) + 1 = number of people on the island when Erika is here.

Is it complicated? For a 4 years old maybe, fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

The way "Beatroll" talks to "Moetrice" reminds me of Jessica talking to her bff/bf Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

竜騎士信者ですら「あれ？　うみねこってクソゲーじゃね？」と（今更なが
ら）気付き始めた。信者の資質が試される、バトラの一人相撲横綱編。

[Anonymous No.]

In this episode, Ryukishi basically kept insulting the readers.
What the fuck happened, does he have some kind of complex or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622967

The readers can't understand the majestic vision of his fantastic story. And how awesome the plot twist of the maid having DID and killing everyone is. So fuck them.

[Anonymous No.]

>Oh and by confirmed I mean that R07 basically said "1 + 1 = ?", most people who aren't completely dumb would know the answer but you'll always have the biggest retards at the back of the class who will yell NO IT'S NOT TRUE 1 + 1 CAN'T MEAN 2 IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
1+1 = x
x is one number away from y.
y is the least number of cuts you have to make to cut one piece of cheese into eight pieces.
find the true killer of the rokkenjima incident.

[Anonymous No.]

I admit I fucking raged at the start of Ep6 when Shannon and Kanon said that only one pair would end up happy.

Fucking Shkanon

[Anonymous No.]

I actually haven't started reading 6 yet. But with all these threads like this all I can say is

I.....I trusted you R07..... I loved you like you wanted, but this is what you do to me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622967
His boyfriend died when he was making Ep6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622967

Judging from how George and Ange acted in this,he's probably butthurt that no one likes his favourite characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623004
Ryukishi hates you and all his readers.
He clearly says so through his avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623010

If we go off of his Female insert whom i'd gladly stick my Virgin dick in, he probably just doesnt like the guys who dont take his Mystery seriously. He wants people who'll keep on think and keep on thinking even if shit like ShKanon is thrust before them.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5623020
More like he hates people who don't try to make sense of what happen just in front of them and just go OH HE IS JUST TROLLING YOU WILL SEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>5622360
when he says 1+1 = 2, wouldnt that mean that there are TWO people as opposed to one person?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623006
this gotta be it. you know, he's like Erika.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623035
When you write posts like this, should I presume that you have autism?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623044
you can if you want, doesnt make you any less fat or disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

So for people who try to deny Shkanontrice.
Any alternate theories?
And I'm not only talking about the last closed room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623108
Well. there's Doubletrice.

There's also Shannontrice by itself, coupled with Erika-Ghost theory and Jessica being the other Battler.

I'd wait for episode 7, though. Shkanontrice, obviously, raises quite a bit of questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623126
Jessica is an angel, as this episode shows, I don't see how doubletrice could work.

Erika ghost only exist to disprove that ShKanon could solve the last closed room, it doesn't solve anything by itself.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember when people tried to argue there was no way 2 personalities could count as 2 different persons in Umineko.
Good times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623138
An angel indeed, but, that wasn't quite what I was referring to. Say Shkanontrice is true(It is).

Just how did Jessica spend her entire life not knowing? And don't give me an answer as simple as she just didn't notice, she lives on the freaking island and has Shannon as her best friend.

There's something WACKY going on here, this I can tell you for sure.

Heck, it's also kinda odd that we never really find out about Jessica's past from her mouth. The most we know about her is that she dressed up as Marisa and was into Kanon a year ago, the rest we've had to piece together from things Natsuhi and Krauss have said.

Compare this to every other character, who have each gone on long rants about their pasts and such, Kyrie, Natsuhi, Eva, George....

Well, I digress. With all the magic trials and Kanon and Shannon being two different people in fantasy scenes, it is rather tough to forget that in reality, we are dealing with a mentally ill girl, one who Jessica knows very well.

With Jessica, this fact is something that can't be ignored. We have to learn, concretely, if she was truly ignorant and why, before we can call this a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623163
Jessica doesn't know anything and is completely innocent.
I'm saying what is clearly presented in the game itself, heck it's kinda hinted that George could know but nothing implies that Jessica did, on the contrary.

It may seem stupid to you but that's how it is, rather than saying stuffs like IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, try to find actual evidences in the game itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623163
Well, fitting in with episode 7's theme of tragedy, Shkanontrice could be her Sakutarou.
Her own, murderous, Sakutarou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623191
I did say she was completely innocent.

I agreed. The thing is, why? Why would she not know? Let's face facts here, treating your best friend as your boyfriend is not a sign of mental stability.

[Anonymous No.]

The way ep 6 ramps shkannon down your throat seems like a giant red-herring, or at least it spiked a little to me. That said, umineko depends on spiked dialogues anyway (scenes didn't happen, logically constructed truth than plain truth, etc, etc). Hope ep 7 will be more fun and trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623213
Episode 6 is a sledgehammer. I have absolutely no respect for the condescending Shkanontrice fags pushing their theory, but I agree with it. It was just too goddamn blatant.

But it does leave questions. And as things are, Shkanontrice right now is a bit too contrived for the purposes of the story. Hoping episode 7 deconstructs the idea of the so called "Noble" murderer.

[Anonymous No.]

Shkanon makes sense, given what we are shown in thsis novel.
Why else would only one pair of lovers get to win? It only makes sense if Shannon and Kanon are one and the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623249
You're a bit late, we're all in agreement here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623266
If we all agree, it's probably wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623276
Sometimes a penis is just a penis.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when I turned into a robot and killed Kyrie after getting an inspiring speech... from Kyrie?

That was pretty damn cool. Or should I say hot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623281
Yeah, and sometimes the obvious answer isn't the best one.

CHEESE, MAN, THINK ABOUT THE CHEESE...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623203
I know man, she's like boxxy rite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623319
I have to say, the cheese scene could be the biggest troll ever.

Wasn't the funniest moment in the episode, though.

The funniest was Erika and Maria's retard fight.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe the next episode will finally goddamn take this theory head on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623319

Not that I disagree, but the cheese thing rang bells in my head about those multiple murders that were seemingly executed simultaneously. Ditto the cups and the coins - how people got separated. But that's just me.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, troll/normal/whatever Beato just crashed the wedding.

The episode is ending soon, right? Dear god, my eyes burn from looking at the computer screen for so long...inb4 normalfag.

[Anonymous No.]

Zepar and Furfur, endearing characters, or annoying fuckheads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623374
Neither. Well, okay, they are annoying. But they are also fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

Rosa getting all deep and shit, Kanon shows up to kill the mood and be gloomy.

[Anonymous No.]

Taking this definition of magic and the bit she said about witches before it'd the correct to say that the murders were carried out by "witches" using "magic", as in they were carried out with clever tricks by people trying to make you believe in magic. Interesting...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623420
Yes, slight of hand and shit.

Beato and Beato's magical adventures are fun and all, but when you realize the culprit killed people as opposed to locked windows, it loses its charm.

I mean seriously, we're dealing with a serial murderer here, not a childish prankster.

[Van Dine No.]

I don't get the big deal about Shkannon. Even if it is true, you can't ignore the fact that both Shannon and Kanon died in the second game. I'm all down for a crazy killer on the loose but saying it can solve all the murders by being a walking RED DENYAN MACHINE seems to be a little...How do I say, pointless?

Each and every mystery can mostly be solved even without Shkannon being used(I haven't quite come up with a valid way to make anything work in the logic error, so I would be willing to say Shkannon is a high possibility answer for that one.). And you can definitely come up with many explanations on whoever killed who for X reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623403
And suddenly, out of FUCKING NOWHERE, Maria goes to avenge Rosa.

Fuck yes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623474
Can I suck your dick, Mr. Van Dine?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623420
But it's only magic if you believe in it. So saying it was done by witches with magic or humans using tricks is both correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623482
Diplomatic Immunity, Sakutarou, fuck yes.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623487

No romantic relationships in mysteries, my dear fellow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623490
No it's not.

There are no witches, the truth of things is that a mentally ill girl used guns and an assortment of weapons to kill people.

Magic is just a "might as well have been" thing, but "might as well" =/= the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623474
That Wright guy is pretty handsome. Even more than Battler.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623520

He looks a little wonky in sprite form though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623528
As does everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623533
Except Zepar and Furfur.
They're the only sprites I like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623538
The fuck is wrong with you? Well I suppose their SPRITES are fine, but their... well, everything else...

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623533

I don't know, Jessica looks pretty good. And cute too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623544
I'm talking about the sprites. I find them annoying as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623513
>Magic is just a "might as well have been" thing, but "might as well" =/= the truth.
Did you miss all the talk about multiple truths? It can be magic or just tricks, depending on whether you believe in magic. For one person there is of courseonly one truth but that doesn't rule out the other one.

[Anonymous No.]

Stupid Battler stupid everything, stupid Battler, stupid everything.

[Anonymous No.]

It's like the game acknowledges my problems with Shkanon and mocks me for it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623513

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623561
Nah, that's a matter of truthfulness.

A belief that it was done with magic can be just as truthful as a belief that it was done with slight of hand, but in the end, there is only one truth.

And that truth is that Shannon slaughtered her friends and family for perhaps the dumbest reason ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623587
You didn't read the game right?

Also >>5623579

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623579
She kills them to bring everyone to the golden land.
BEST REASON EVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623507
It's not a mystery.

It's just a murder.

Nothing but murder.

Mysterys arn't real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623587
Personally I learnt hermeneutic theory by reading Kierkegaard at my father's knee when 14.

You pussies are totally behind the times. Get pomo on that textuality's arsehole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623597
Trust me, I really WANT TO BELIEVE that Beatrice isn't the culprit. But this whole episode's message is "Murder is a-ok if it's for love!"

So, yeah, since Battler is the GM and all....

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623579
>>5623597
It just means that she didn't kill them due to the broken promise.
But we knew this since episode 5 you know, Beatrice doesn't kill for revenge.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623587

Actually in defense for the reason if I was a fat ugly maid and had some rich kid tell me he'll save me from my life of poverty when he returns and then forgets all about the promise I'd be pretty pissed off too. Not worth killing people over though.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623601

But mysteries do real!

[Anonymous No.]

Episode 7, looking forward to it. This one was too idealistic, even with people being killed for dumbass reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623611
No, that means that probably there is a good reason because all of this is happening. Because if not, Battler being the moralfag he is, would never act so friendly to Beato.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623635
Who knows what were the true reasons of the killings... that was all a fake!

[Anonymous No.]

All the meta-fiction stuffs, R07 masturbating about how awesome he is as a writer and the ShKanon stuffs.
This episode felt like an episode of Code Geass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623641
And the good reason is DOING IT FOR LOVE.

Because we know it's not for revenge, hatred or money and it's not like this episode was even subtle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623660
Yes, while a really, really, really, really stupid ass reason, it's one I can see Battler getting suckered into.

I for one, am not convinced. Sayo can rot in hell for all I care.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623660

Whatever happened to the saying "If you love them, let them go"?....Oh shit wait a minute!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623660
For love? Don't you mean revenge for breaking her heart? Battler surely wouldn't see that as a good reason for murder.

[Anonymous No.]

Detached emotionally distant Battler was sexy.

[Anonymous No.]

The problem with EP5 and EP6 is that seems that true killer of EP1-4 is not active now, with this whole fake deaths and stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623683
She wants to complete the epitagh, so she, Kanon, Shannon, George, Jessica, and Battler can all live in harmony.

She's a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT modernist literary critics.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623693

The true killer is probably flabbergasted because people are dropping like flies without them even needing to do anything.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd fucking love it if the final boss is Piece Battler.

Piece Battler hates the fuck outta Beatrice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623694
>She wants to complete the epitagh, so she, Kanon, Shannon, George, Jessica, and Battler can all live in harmony.
If that was really the reason, Battler wouldn't have accepted it like he did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623708
I can imagine Sayo walking into the cousin's room, knife in hand, and then just sweatdropping as she sees that they are already dead.

[Anonymous No.]

What is bomb theory? How does that even work? Don't bombs, you know, make explosions? Wouldn't that result in uh, damage? Did someone make like, repairs to the with a week's time so that no one could tell there was a bomb? That sound really retarded

[Anonymous No.]

Final boss will be Lambdadelta, who will try to avenge Bernkastel's death in EP7.

Mark my words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623759
Lambdadelta already has something cooking.
I dread whatever it may be.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623734

If I was a killer, and someone beat me to the punch I would definitely lay low until things blew over. I mean shit, having some of your targets on your hit list killed for you kinda makes the list useless you know?

[Anonymous No.]

There are 18 characters in the story of the fake murder game everyone is playing.
There are 17 people in reality.
Both of these statements are true, so both can be stated in red. No problem.

[Anonymous No.]

By the way, Van Dine created some rules like Knox did, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623738
Beatrice was a huge neutron bomb. She went *boom*.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623812
His rules are like a gigantic FUCK YOU to Umineko.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5623812

Yup, twenty of them.

http://www.mysterylist.com/declog.htm

Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623812
Every non-creative author with cookie-cut stories, created rules by distilling actually good stories to pretend he has authority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623759
>Bern
>only redeeming character in this farce
>die
cool story bro
also George is a fucking asshole

[Anonymous No.]

Seeing the EP 7 opening, a fire theory might be more accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

Erika confirmed for slut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623908
It was since the beginning of Ep5

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623908
Should an 8 year old mutant worry about such things so much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623935
According to EP5, she's around Battler and Jessica age.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623374
>Zepar and Furfur, endearing characters, or annoying fuckheads?
dunno, but i'd stick my dick into zepar the first chance i get, no matter if it's male of female.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623829
Bah, Eva deserved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624037
his mother did everything for him to be in a rich and powerful position, she'd even kill her own siblings just for his sake
and now he is gonna leave her and even beat her to death because he wants to force his sick feelings on some girl who actually likes Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5623738
That's what happen you know.
No more mansion in the future, the terrain has completely changed and the bodies are completely destroyed

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624067
Eva had hidden plans to George proposal.

[Anonymous No.]

There you have it. ShKannontrice is true. If we accept all the clues about ShKannon then we must accept this one as well. Beatrice is in the same situation as Shannon and Kanon and thus, she's also the same person.

[Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL No.]

What's the song where Erika first appears on the island in EP6? Right before the cut to the next chapter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624183
lolno.

[Anonymous No.]

There's still a few questions that need answering. Now that Shakanontrice is pretty much confirmed...

Who is the "mastermind?"

From both the red text and the differences in each game we can infer that piece "Beatrice" is being controlled by another character, and that at least one of the episodes (four) has her breaking free of the person controlling her and goes on a rampage.

The big question then is - who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624293
Possibilities:
1. Jessica. There's absolutely no way she wouldn't know her BF and BFF are the same person. The fact that she's the one who always brings up the relationship between Shannon and George (Battler always learns about it through her) is also suspect.

2. Jessica, George and Maria together. All three of them are emotionally invested in at least one of the aspects of Sayo. Having the "mastermind" actually be a conspiracy on the part of Battler's cousins sounds farfetched, but it makes sense in a few respects.

First, it provides a plausible reason as to why Battler wouldn't find out about some things that might actually be "common knowledge" to everyone else. Battler's cousins are the people closest to him in all of the episodes; they effectively control what he knows about any event he doesn't see personally, and they're the only ones (besides Kumasawa) who can talk with him about a lot of topics without coming off as suspicious (imagine if Gohda or Genji started going on about the legend of Beatrice or how this or that person fell in love with a servant).

Second, it provides motive. It sounds insane to conspire to kill your family with a crossdressing maid--it is--but many things more stupid have been done in the name of "love." We've already seen that Maria has a deep-seated resentment of Rosa and wouldn't mind her dying a very grisly death. George has consistently indicated that he is willing to fight against his family for his relationship with Shannon. Jessica... it's harder in her case, but how she wants to leave the island and not become the next head resonates with the "Shannon" personality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624303
Third, it (partially) explains what the hell happened in episode four. There was no epitaph killing because halfway through, Jessica and George had a falling out, which led to Sayo acting erratically (independently?) and to everyone else in the mansion showing their allegiances in the ensuing struggle, resulting in a bloodbath where nearly everyone dies before the end of the first day.

Fourth, they make a very good team when working together. Jessica has determination, extensive knowledge of the mansion/island and excellent acting, George has intelligence, diplomacy and money (He's working, whereas Jessica only a salary), and Maria has encyclopedic understanding of the occult + the little kid factor (no matter what suspicious things she does, one's going to suspect her because of her age).

More than any one or two of the adults, they have, as a group, motive (a more personal motive than just "I need money," anyway) and opportunity to pull off the crime on Rokkenjima.

3. There is no "mastermind?" The person doing the killing, changes with each episode, so it's possible that trying to pinpoint one character or a set of characters as a "mastermind" is a waste of time; Ryuukishi already went out of his way to show us that Umineko is a mystery with no detective, so it's not unthinkable that the reverse would be true.

Your thoughts, people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624293
Kinzo's will.
No one else fits, especially not Jessica who is pretty much confirmed to be the nicest person on the island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624307
she killed fucking kyrie, how is that nice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624328
While possessed because she was too lawful good to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624225
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORf0tLaSn8
this one?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

It would've been nice if Ryukishi had kept Umineko to ~4 episodes. I'd personally like to revise each episode and try to make sense of everything, but having to read through six (soon to be seven) episodes is just too much.

[Anonymous No.]

I love how all the umineko haters were all ''LOL when they read this shit they will agree with us, see that story is shitty and feel utterly humilliated''

And then the general reaction was ''fuck you, this shit was awesome''

[Anonymous No.]

This may be a stupid question, but is there a proof that Shannon's and George's love relationship really exist? Besides what the other characters (Jessica, for example) say. Has Battler seen them together?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624400
Its highly implied in various scenes, but there's no ''I LOVE YOU'' scene seen by the detective's POV

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624395
People thought episode 6 was awesome?
I found it pretty average personally, best thing was Erika and her antics, everything else was either boring or just stupid, and not in a good way.

[Anonymous No.]

This is the worst answer ever made.
R07 is a idiot.
I'll never read something that he writes once again. What a complete waste of my time Umineko was...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624420
Depends on whether you settle on Shkannon or go looking for other explanations. If you keep going, there's a lot of interesting scheming in the background and information about the the process of Beato's creation scattered everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

The problem with Shkannon is that its retarded. Its seriously twisted logic on the same level as "Kinzo is a title!" or other such things that were used in the Episode 4 Tea Party.

That is, the problem with Shkannon is that you can't make a backround story for how a DID crossdressing Meido could stay undercover for YEARS (or why the entire family would cover for her); not to mention how or why she would take part in the murders themselves (if she did).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624453
Yet R07 is doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624453
The other servants (mostly Genji and Kumasawa) are scared of a girl/guy that has double personality or identity disorders.

But it's unlikely, imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624477
Genji is following Kinzo's will, he doesn't care about dying.
Kumasawa is afraid but she was also most likely bribed.
Nanjo doesn't care about dying, he just wants some money for his grand-daughter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624468
Because he is a idiot.

It's so easy to say "Shannon and Kanon are the same person" and make this a answer. But I have hope. Maybe R07 is just trolling us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624483
R07 basically claimed through his proxy in this episode that people who expect trolling aren't true fans and good readers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624479
But where would Shkannon get the money? Is she getting two salaries as well?

There's no way Natsuhi and Krauss wouldn't know -- and they would have to reason to support the DID Meido unless they were being coerced somehow. Maybe Shkannon found the gold? But that STILL seems like a farfetched reason to go along with their schemes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624491
I don't care. He isn't a good writer, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624502
>>There's no way Natsuhi and Krauss wouldn't know
They have both been portrayed as the biggest retards ever you know.

And the gold already belongs to Beatrice, episode 5 confirms it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624502
>>5624453
Picture related. No R07, it isn't that I care that this is a mystery or not, I care whether it is a story that coherent. If you can come up with an explanation for Shkannon(trice) that isn't on the same level as small bombs, please do.

[Anonymous No.]

I waited like all those people who can't read moon and posted some of those "meanwhile at witch hunt" thread

but two and a half hours in I'm already tired of this love shit.

man now I'm sitting here looping over k-on songs and waiting for the world cup to end.

[Anonymous No.]

There are major problems to be explained if Shkanon is to be accepted as a truth.

Even if we disregard completely the fact that Natsuhi, Krauus and Jessica should have know that they giving two checks for the same person, there are other strange points.

For example, we have the two guestrooms of EP6.
While its possible that ''Shannon and Kanon'' were put in different rooms to fool Erika into believing there were two of them it makes NO FUCKING SENSE if you take the family perspective.

Krauss, Hideyoshi and Rudolph ORGANIZED THE ROOMS, even if all the story was some bullshit prick on Erika it would be IMPOSSIBLE for nobody in these rooms dont think that its strange that one person was missing, ITT Shannon being Kanon couldnt be in two rooms at the same time.

This trick would only be credible if at least all the people on ''Kanon's room'' knew about Shkanon.

The same goes for the findings of both Shannon and Kanon bodies in EP3, Shannon body in EP1, etc.

I mean, come on, if there's one thing for certain is that Umineko cant be resolved by a single shkanontrice going nuts and killing everyone on a whim.

[Anonymous No.]

Poor Bern ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

I've never played this game but from reading threads about it I can tell it's shit

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe R07 is trolling us again and in the end, the culprit is Gohda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624510
They would still have noticed though because they are their employers.

Unless Kinzo planned this from birth and got Kanon and Shannon two completely separate identities so that they could get paid separately. But that seems even less likely, so lets just say that Krauss and Natsuhi knew, but had a good reason to cover for Shkannon. Lets just say it was the gold.

That still doesn't explain why none of the visiting family ever noticed or complained about them being two separate people -- or how to hide/pad Shannon's breasts and her clothing, or how Shannon and Kanon can get quickly from one place to another, or why they are both said to be dead in EP3 (I guess this could be a Kanon corpse that was killed before the game started or something).

[Anonymous No.]

Why hello Jessica mastermind and solution to EP2's second twilight

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624540
i can tell by you're posting that your shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624548
>Switched your with you're

[Anonymous No.]

Do i have to mount the disc to install the patch??
Or there is some other way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624547
Jessica has asthma, not diabetes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624545
Kanon only appeared 3 years ago.
Shannon develops the Kanon personality, Kinzo uses his power to give this personality a background and identity, and to make it more realistic give them 2 paychecks.
Krauss and Natsuhi are retards who never realize anything, they continue after Kinzo's death, case closed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624545

My guess is that the parents constructed the closed rooms in Ep 3 and Kanon's body being in the church was a lie, given that no-one else saw it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624561

Ah shit.

Still, Nanjo confirmed for foul play?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624562
>Krauss and Natsuhi are retards who never realize anything

The fact that Shkannon requires this as a premise puts it on the same level as small bombs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624564
And why would they do that?
Also i can see the reason for Shannon's birth but not the reason for Kanon's. What is the deal with this assumed personality? one day three years before the game started Shannon just wanted to be a little boy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624557
Download http://dl3.novelnews.net/witchhunt/chiru/2.0/downloadzip.php and do it the 'old' way. (Install from disk -> extract zip into Umineko folder.) Mounting the iso and using the WH installer doesn't seem to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624597
NO, YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GENIUS OF RYUKISHI'S WRITING, GO READ SOME CLASSIC MYSTERIES LIKE HE DID INCULT

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624602
Kinzo wanted a bro to go hunt, play pranks and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Shannon and Kanon's duel - Sledgehammer.

"ALL WILL DIE"
"YES SISTER ALL WILL DIE"

YOU CRAZY BITCH

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624619
Quite plausible, one year before dying Kinzo wanted to go hunt, so he asked a female servant to crossdress and go with him just for the hell of it.

I wouldnt put it past kinzo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624602

Well...my assumption was that Beatrice is working with the servants and during episode 3 their attempt at the first twilight got fucked up and rather then the parents dying they ended up getting killed instead. The parents then pretended that the thing was a set of locked rooms to throw the eventual suspicion off of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have a working torrent for EP6? The one I downloaded is having issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624632
But if they killed ''Shannon'' for example, they wouldnt lie about having killed ''Kanon''. The logical answer would be to treat Kanon as missing and throw the blame on him.

It makes no sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624634
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22dawn+of+the+golden+witch%22+megaupload

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624653

Torrent =/= megaupload.

[Anonymous No.]

God, I hate Sakutarou. He was annoying as fuck in EP4, then he comes up in the Erika vs. Maria fight with his DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY URYUUU~ shit and now he's back for more? Please tell me he dies again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624661
he doesn't appear again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624655
Well maybe you should have downloaded when it first came out in comicket, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624661
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/597926/4koma-comic-furudo_erika-rifyu-sakutarou-translate

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else slightly miffed at the fact that Beatrice is a crazy serial killer?

Like, uh, holy crap, man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624661
URYUU MAD?

[Anonymous No.]

The culprit was Purupurupiko-man and his accomplice was a slice of cheese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624712
She did it for love so it's okay.

[Anonymous No.]

What does Sakutarou mean by diplomatic immunity anyway? How does it work here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624728
complete hax to make that useless pile of shit look like something useful

too bad he died like a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624728
You know how kids fight in kindergarten with their OH I'M PUTTING A SHIELD THAT CAN STOP ANY ATTACKS and shits? Same thing, don't think too much about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624712
Don't worry, episode 7 will smash Sayo's delusions.
And thank god.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow...

Sakutarou is such a faggot...

[Anonymous No.]

It was Reimu all along because she's a fucking bitch!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624634

http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134482

[Anonymous No.]

Hoping the end will be Sayo realising she killed everyone for no reason.

That'd be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624751
>for no reason
I might have to start killing people

[Anonymous No.]

From EP7.

[Anonymous No.]

What really, really annoyed me in episode 6 was how condescending Ryuukishi was.

He basically kept repeating how cultivated and knowledgeable in mystery he was, how his readers are moron, etc...
Yet at the same time he was basically confirming ShKanon.

To me it felt like watching a young kid talking highly and with lots of pompous words about a shitty doodle he made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624751
>george im so sorry i killed everyone
>don't worry i love you anyweiz

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624758
He's been doing that since EP5. You guys were just not paying enough attention to actually notice, thus validating all the trash Ryukishi has been talking about you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624751
I can one-up you on that.

Sayo comes to peace with her murders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624756
Bern crying? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624769
He cranked it up a notch.

[Anonymous No.]

sup /jp/ i just finished EP 6 and now i'm 100% sure.....

IT WAS LEX LUTHOR ALL ALONG

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624758
He was just angry because BT died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624775
Because people still weren't getting it after EP5.

I admit he's being a bit of a douche, but I don't blame him. I'd feel the same way. Umineko fandom is one of the densest fandoms I've ever come across, and it takes him patronizing us like this to get most people to listen.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, episode 6 annoyed me.

The maid is crazy, but it's OK, because she believes in happy land?

Wait what? No, that's not ok in the slightest, 17 people are dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624769
Also, doesn't Featherine basically sound a lot like Lambda when she talks like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624784
BUT SHE DID IT FOR LOVE~

(cue applause)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624770
Sayo regrets killing people and then the mansion explodes and everyone dies anyways.

You know that's how Umineko is going to end anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624782
I'm pretty sure everyone saw it by Episode 4, it's just that it was so fucking retarded that people were looking for the possibility of another culprit.

Then of course Episode 6 rolls around, and thinking that there might be another culprit is just wishful thinking at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624789
I find Featherine's arrogance more fappable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624792
Really, when a scene makes me think Jessica is the most sane, you've messed up somewhere.

And even she was cool with the trial later on.

Goddamn.

[Child of Man 門門 !!XzNn/qDPbir No.]

>>5624802

[Anonymous No.]

Gohda? I hate that guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624802

her dead on stare turns me on in many ways

[Anonymous No.]

So, Featherine = R07, from what I'm reading?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm at Eva-Beatrice vs George. God, I think that I'm not even halfway.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, Umineko confirmed for trainwreck.

Unless they do something about the crazy maid.

[Anonymous No.]

am i still the only person stupidly hoping for a rosa=beatrice end?

this is coming from someone who's read eps 1-4 twice and hasn't touched 5 or 6, mind you avoiding spoilers somehow in the past year

[Anonymous No.]

I kind of wish Erika stole Battler from Beato for real...

[Anonymous No.]

Oh wow.

[Anonymous No.]

In this episode, I hated Shannon. What an egocentric bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

If it turns out Shkanon is true, will I be gay for having fapped to Shannon?

[Anonymous No.]

Sayo is a fucking crazy bitch and I really want to see all her delusions destroyed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624901
You're not alone

[Anonymous No.]

So, Beatrice likes Battler and Sayo likes George.
If Sayo really is Beatrice I hope this whole lovey-dovey relationship with George is just a farce to somehow make the crimes work but if she ends up with him and not Battler I'll go on a rampage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624930
No, but you will be heterosexual for having fapped to Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

Then you suddenly realize that Umineko is a NTR story

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624912

[Van Dine No.]

Found something interesting while using google. This is by the way a 1986 Tropical Storm.


Tropical Storm Dom (Oyang)

"Initially noted as a tropical disturbance in the Philippine Sea on October 2, the system moved slowly west-northwest to the south of the subtropical ridge, becoming a tropical depression on October 4. Crossing the Philippines, the depression caused heavy rainfall and flooding as it emerged into the South China sea and developed into a tropical storm on October 9. Development was slow due to strong upper level winds from the northeast displacing thunderstorms west-southwest of its center. Continuing to track north of due west, Dom made landfall in Vietnam and dissipated as it moved along the Laos/Vietnam border on October 12.[2] A total of 16 perished and damage totalled US$4 million (1986 dollars) in Luzon.[1]"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624974
B-but Knox rules prevent the use of Chinamen..

[Anonymous No.]

>A total of 16 perished

There are 16 people on Rokkenjima.

[Anonymous No.]

So that's why episode 6 is considered as a クソゲー in Japan.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5624990

Erika is a Chinaman!

>>5624995

Bingo. Not only that but it's on the same exact day of the same exact year. And what happened on the island? They were trapped because of a storm!

[Anonymous No.]

Excuse the retarded question but in the case of Knox rules, what is a Chinaman?

Is it really supposed to be a rule excluding foreigners?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624990
Notice how the Chinaman rule wasn't included in the rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624974
>16 perished

HMMMMMMMM?

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625015

Well, my speculatory answer would be any foreigners outside of the initial cast of characters. For instance, Erika would be counted among them in my definition because she was introduced AFTER the initial cast of characters were provided. If someone pops up in EP 7, then in my book they're counted among the Chinamen definition. Though as I said it's speculatory, someone else might see it differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625004
The fire on the EP7 OP could mean that a lightning hit the island and caused the destruction of the mansion/guesthouse/whatever.

Oh, Ryukishi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625015
http://ho-lingnojikenbo.blogspot.com/2009/09/no-chinaman-must-figure-in-story.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625016


I think it's because they're all family, and Erika is the detective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625015
A hinaman is a foreigner with some special skill to commit murders because of their exotic country. A chinaman, for example, uses contortionist abilities to do impossible murders or use an unknown drug or plant, so they were ruled out.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625036

Or you could say that whoever the killer/culprit is set fire to the mansion to drive them out of the house to put them in a state of daze so he can finish them off. They walk out of the mansion and they all could have died because of the storm, inadvertently being killed by "Beatrice".

[Anonymous No.]

The sound of everyone in /jp/'s heads exploding at once when EP7 comes out is going to be glorious.

[Anonymous No.]

I really have no idea of what is going on anymore

I mean, in ep VI the first six victim where all faking, so wtf?

Also, there are no Kakera? What does this shit mean?
How am i suppose to care for character that were just fiction in fiction? All the 34 and Bern character development didn't happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625066
Hachijo doesn't exist, she's just a piece that Featherine invented by editing Ange's memories. Kakera still exist, don't worry.

[Anonymous No.]

Did R07 say that it could be solved by EP3?

[Anonymous No.]

Someone have those pictures making fun of Shkanontrice?

I remember two of them, one with all the adults minus Rudolf laughing about the jokes they did, and one with Natsuhi explaining to Battler about Shannon and then asking him if he wants more small bomb crumpets. Don't know if there's any more.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625099

By EP 2. To be honest I think I have a real good idea on the truth already, with some loose ends of course but mostly a pretty decent look on things.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck, Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

[blue]derp
(forced move)[red]Herp was never derped.
[red]jokes on u i actually herped derped before i came in the room LOGICAL FALLLLAAAACIEES~~~~

this "retroactive move" bullshit can't be legal.

Was GM Battler just NOT WATCHING when Erika locked the room? Why the fuck is Erika allowed to do this beyond the duct tape bit which was allowed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625090

But didn't Featherine write the past Episodes?

Isn't all pretty much "since Rokkenjima is a closed box, thos who know the thrust can write the shit the like"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5624733
This sounds like your typical Naruto fight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625155
Battler is an incompetent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625132

Yeah, i didn't get his.

I still suspect Kyrie thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625090
That's what morons and people who don't pay attention to the story believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625155
If you think about it, there's a way for it to make sense.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625176

Actually, Kyrie is pretty suspicious but I don't think she is the main culprit. If anything she's more of a stand in second culprit/killer who found the gold in the fourth game. What you need to do is use the first and second games to support each other. In fact just now I pieced it all together. It's quite simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625165
That's a good point -- all WE really know about Rokkenjima is what has been written in the message bottles. There is likely a "True Rokkenjima" where everyone except Eva dies -- this is the Rokkenjima that Ange is stuck in the future of.

If the message writer is unreliable that could explain why nobody notices Shkannon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625165
No, that was Hachijo's claim. Featherine said she wanted to observe the kakera that were created as part of Beato and Battler's game, and she didn't know the truth yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625182
Yes, because Hachijo is a magical author who can stop time, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625192
Enlighten us, please.

[Anonymous No.]

Also if Kakera don't exist:

How does Ange get her good ending with Battler coming back to him?
There is no way to change the past, there is just 1 world with 1 closed box where everyone died.. unless they're all hiding somewhere lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625110
What is your truth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625215
By getting back her brother who actually didn't die in the true version of the event.

>>5625210
She doesn't stop time, they are just commentating about stuffs that are written.

It's not even subtle you know, how the fuck can you not the whole meta-fiction stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625215
>unless they're all hiding somewhere lol.

That would be a hilarious ending. Although doesn't Ange die in 1998 as well? I figure Amakuza killed her, which stinks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625234
>By getting back her brother who actually didn't die in the true version of the event.

How?
You can't change the past, you can only find the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625210
>>5625223
I see this in a lot of umineko threads. Somonesays they know the truth, someoe asks for it and they never reply...

trollface.jpg

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625214

Avec plaisir.

Let's start off with the first episode. Let it be known that it's more than likely possible there are two groups acting in each episode. The first one is the main group, like for instance Jessica and Shkannon. Jessica is Beatrice and Shkannon are their right hand man. Think of a Higurashi set up. Jessica whines and complains about not having a boyfriend, and probably said something that pissed Shkannon right the fuck off. This is why Beatrice said it's all happening because of that one promise Battler didn't make. Anyway, the second group would be involved due to personal reasons like Eva finding the gold, etc...

Episode one starts off with most of the parents being killed off save Natsuhi and George's father and mother. Two more were added in, Gohda and "Shannon". This is my speculation but Hideyoshi and Eva only survived because they went to bed early, and because the killer didn't have enough people at hand he decided to use those that were present. Mainly Gohda, the parents who decided to stay in the dining room, and Shannon. Shannon and Kanon are the same person, who joined the family under Kinzo's supervision. You could say that this is the baby that fell off the cliff due to Natsuhi's "wish".

[Anonymous No.]

Shakanontrice is confirmed and even still there are people who don't accept it. It's no wonder Ryu is such a douche to his readers and calls them creepy virgins

[Anonymous No.]

Episode 6 doesn't make sense to me. Instead of a serial murder being planned by the witch side, it was just a large scale prank. There appeared to be no goal other than to try and fool Erika. This does not fit the format of any of the previous games, and if Battler had found the truth, it must have nothing to do with a serial killing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625241
Because he didn't die in the true version of the event.
How is it complicated to understand? It's not about changing the past or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625251
There is no 'true' version. She just wants to find a kakera where her brother and family survive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625250
The GM can write about whatever he wants, he just have to follow a few rules.
Battler didn't want to write about his family getting killed so he did this

[Anonymous No.]

Shannon and Kanon annoy me now.
They're like "ALL WILL DIE, YAY"

Seriously, what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625258
So he was following the rules even by having nobody die due to him?

[None !OSakaQCVow No.]

One thrifling issue nags at me: Rudolf crying out loud over how he didn't get the chance to tell Kyrie and Battler the truth.

Why would he even mention it if he knew they weren't dead? I thought they were all in on the "murders". And if he really thought they were dead, why wasn't HE told about the whole scheme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625251

So what?
He hide himself for 17 years?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625250
No murders happened because Shannon beat Kanon and Beatrice before they could happen

This is my truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625257
You are a fucking idiot with absolutely no reading comprehension.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625243

The method was quite simple. Kill them all silently, like using absinthe to knock them all out and grabbing a shovel from the shed and hitting them a few times to kill them. Dragging their bodies back to the shed, and smashing their faces in some more to disfigure them. Realizing he needed a quick body to act as Shannon's he decides to use Kinzo's old body. Due to the age of the thing it's most likely mummified so he made due by snapping off Gohda's arm and sticking it in the maid clothes to make it seem fresh. The way the shed was it's so dark you probably wouldn't be able to tell if it was an already dead body.

Look at the picture for a reference. The way the arm is laying provides the example needed to show the body was laying face down. Yeah yeah I know "LOLANIME" but Ryukishi did indeed say he added clues in himself.

[Anonymous No.]

God, Kyrie's closed room is just silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625268
Whatever happened in Rokkenjima wasnt pretty...so yes, its plausible.

>>5625267

Now i imagined Battler and Kyrie not telling him just to mess with him....yes, i can accept that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625267
To be more convincing to Erika. He needed to be at least 99% convincing, otherwise she would not believe them. Although she still sliced everyone up anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625279
Hideyoshi plainly tell George that only half of Shannon's face is smashed. So, sorry, it really only works if he's into it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625234
Did you miss the scene where Ange's been discussing with Hachijo for hours, and then she looks at the clock and realizes it hasn't moved at all even though it's ticking normally?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625281
YO DAWG, I HEARD YOU LIEK BURNING IN THE FLAMES OF ENVY, SO NOW YOU CAN BURN WHILE YOU BURN IN THE FLAMES OF ENVY

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625282
>Whatever happened in Rokkenjima wasnt pretty...so yes, its plausible.

But then why does she need to find the truth?

He still alive, he still out of there

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625279

Another picture, the shovel is in the picture. Also, the Gohda's arm and Kinzo's dead body was added in for some fun. More or less it was probably a fake body or someone acting as a dead body temporarily like Kumasawa who wasn't at the scene of the crime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625298
She wants to make sense of what happened, and she doesn't know that he is still alive.

>>5625292
Yeah a simple trick like this definitely prove that Hachijou can stop time.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe Kanon has existed before. He was very close to Shannon, but he died. Shannon, who saw him like a brother, decided to become him. The corpse found in the garden room was Kanon's original one, while Shannon was impersonating him.

I know this makes no sense, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625250
Lambda, early on: "Maybe since Erika couldn't read the atmosphere and was making such a racket about being a detective, the whole Ushiromiya family got together and put on a make-believe murder show to mess with her! Oh, is that the solution? I must be a super great detective ☆"

Yeah, like she would actually reveal the real solution to Bern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625293
Well, interesting that Jessica is able to construct a locked room. But yeah, the whole episode felt fucking stupid. Shkanontrice is true, but I will never view the murderer as a hero, no matter how hard the game tries to convince me.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625291

Quite so, just a loose end. A fake body works, not really what I like doing but it fits well, especially with cans of an undisclosed color of paint being present in the scene.

[Anonymous No.]

It seems that this thread is autosaging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625309
A "simple trick like that", combined with Ange remembering events that haven't happened yet, proves that the scene was fabricated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625327
Rather than she is completely delusional, which was obvious from reading episode 4.
Oh and for the whole remembering what happened in the future thing, it's quite simple.
Remember how Ange's part ended, it had the same Ten Little Nigger style ending as the ends of the various episodes.

What does it mean? Simply that the part with Ange in Rokkenjima was a fiction as well, she reads about it in Hachijou's house and her imagination did the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625313
Battler seemed pretty pissed when Erika told him that she killed them, although it could have been an act. And I'm sure that Battler said at some point that they were playing dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625364

Rokkenjima is a closed box, i see nothing wrong with the whole "Playing death". Can you prove it didn't happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625364
Erika confirms in red that all of them were alive.

>>5625298

He could simply be hiding to hide the truth of what happened in Rokkenjima. Eva could have made this decision to spare him and whoever else is alive and ot take all the blame for herself.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625315

Anyway to continue onto the second twilight. It is easily solvable if Natsuhi is in on it with Kanon. Kanon most likely told her something along the lines of "I know what you did to that child, if you follow my every order then I won't disclose this to anyone, especially your daughter" or something like that. Natsuhi is quite feeble and easily pushed into being in an emotional state of panic. Looking at the picture provided you can see Kanon had a chance to discuss this with her.

Kumasawa was likely in on it too, of course it is easy to dupe an old lady as well. I'll go with the latter theory. Kanon basically did a switch and dupe style of murder. Knocked on a different door than Eva's and Hideyoshi and called out to them. Went inside the room previously to turn on the TV and shower to act as if it was occupied. Then quickly after he was alone went into their actual room and killed them. Dumped Hideyoshi's body into the shower and turned it on to make it fit what he had done previously. Marked the door with the seal and everything else played out as is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625250
>if Battler had found the truth, it must have nothing to do with a serial killing.
There you go.

[Trollkastel !!YSTYW7Om7uL No.]

>>5624341

Yeah! That song is truly called Patchwork Chimera? Funny name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625250
That's the point: Battler was not trying to reveal the truth to Erika like Beato was to him. His primary goal in Episode 6, besides getting Beato to remember, was indeed "to try and fool Erika".

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625406

Anyone else want me to keep going? Any questions?

[None !OSakaQCVow No.]

>>5625439
Yeah, go ahead. It's entertaining enough.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625463

Right. Anyway, during the whole "Grabbing the chain cutter" bit Kanon used that chance to throw Kinzo's dead body into the furnace. Giving him ample time before it started burning. Him and Kumasawa went down into the basement and Kanon ran ahead acting like he was chasing someone. Using a bit of paint from the shed he rubs it on himself and dumps a bit on the ground, takes out a state and skewers his clothes just enough to make it seem like he was stabbed. After that everyone showed up and found him on the ground "bleeding". It might be a good idea to say Nanjo is probably in on it with Kanon. After he takes him to whatever room alongside Jessica, he takes his time and then says Kanon is dead. After that the whole study part happened where the letter was placed and such. Maria being the little shit she is was probably instructed to do place the letter later on during the "Praise the name of the witch" part of the epitaph was next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625349
So you're making the same mistake as Bern and calling people delusional because they have an imagination. Good job.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625502
*instructed to do it by placing the letter
Whoops, fixed.

Having a chance to get a good few of them Kanon dresses up as Beatrice and storms into the parlor. Using a shotgun he shoots to kill by aiming for the head for Kumasawa, Nanjo, and Genji. After that he told unhooked the phone and dialed the study's number, then boogied on out of there while locking the door with a master key.

The scooby doo gang show up and notice the bodies, however Natsuhi found a letter telling her how the killer is really the kid that fell off the cliff and wants revenge yada, yada, yada. You know the whole cliche bull. Anyway she goes out of the room and blocks it with Mr. Hatstand. Finds Kanon and they have a little classic Clint Eastwood gun draw. She loses and is shot in the head. After that the scooby doo gang comes out of the room, finds Natsuhi dead, and everything plays out like normal. Kanon used his gun and killed all of them, constantly shooting them until they were in pieces.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625537

Another sentence mistake, oh well, not worth correcting. Anyway, that's what I think happened for the first game. It's speculation but there is enough proof to back it up. Any questions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625537
>constantly shooting them until they were in pieces

I was with you until this. It was obviously an explosion that tore them apart -- an explosion was confirmed in ep6.

[Van Dine No.]

>>5625623

You'll have to bear with me here. I haven't read that far into EP 6 yet to see if anything was confirmed or denied specifically. I only know about the logical error/deaths of Kyrie & co and the love battle.

[Anonymous No.]

So is all the new music in EP6 going to be released at Summer Comiket? There were a lot of new -45 tracks, and their last album was released after EP5 which had a comparable number of tracks.

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>>5625647
Just like a namefag to argue about something he hasn't even read.

[None !OSakaQCVow No.]

>>5625647
It was already confirmed in Erika's TIPS in EP5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625811
There is only one -45 track in EP6, there were 6 in EP5 though and you can find almost all of them on Amurita album. Also, there is going to be a new Music Box containing all dai tracks from Chiru out at summer comiket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625930
> There is only one -45 track in EP6
DAT ROG-LIMITATION

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625959
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG3MJpnt1gA
Xaki did Rog-limitation, best ep6 track by far

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625986
...Dammit, I need to pay more attention to the musicbox. I assumed it was a -45 song because of the "rog" bit making me think of Rougoku Strip.

[Anonymous No.]

i like the zepar and furfur one too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtH6f0sdfQo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5626554
Which one do I fap to?
Assuming im not gay