Yukari can defeat Accelerator. Discuss.

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Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:15:23 2010 No.5519696 [Reply] [Original]

Yukari can defeat Accelerator.

Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:15:23 2010 No.5519699 Yukari can beat anyone, possibly even including the Hebrew God.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:16:23 2010 No.5519700 What is there to discuss? It's true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:18:23 2010 No.5519709 >>5519699 Niggas been doin' that since Shin Megami Tensei I.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:18:23 2010 No.5519714 Biri Biri Biri Biri

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:19:23 2010 No.5519719 >>5519699 Like that's some sort of accomplishment. Even I could kill Hebrew God.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:19:23 2010 No.5519720 >>5519699 Except Demonbane. Everything except Demonbane.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:19:23 2010 No.5519723 >>5519719 with the power of LOGIC. It doesn't work on Yukari though

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 10:23:23 2010 No.5519739 >>5519699 she can't beat Shiki and Yuka though

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:23:23 2010 No.5519741 She can't. /discuss

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:24:23 2010 No.5519742 >>5519741 You can't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:24:23 2010 No.5519743 I thought there was some established cross-canon rules for this shit. Like, there are powers based in some flimsy kind of science, powers based on magic, powers based on divinity, etc and that lower tiers can't affect upper tiers. Or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:24:23 2010 No.5519744 >>5519699 Can't beat the Time Lords.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:25:23 2010 No.5519745 I'm sorry I don't watch anime because I'm not a faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:26:23 2010 No.5519753 >>5519743 sounds unimaginably stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:27:23 2010 No.5519760 >>5519744 Why would she possibly beat her peers?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:29:23 2010 No.5519770 >>5519696 If Toma could do it, anyone can do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:30:23 2010 No.5519774 Tou~ma can beat Yukari Discuss

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:31:23 2010 No.5519783

>>5519696
Most magicians can beat accelerator, just not in the To Aru universe because their magic is indirect and weird and has vectors and shit.

Also accelerator was never really that special, he had that auto shield going, but even that shield had it's flaws and if he works to hard on something else then the shield breaks down completely.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:37:23 2010 No.5519804 Accelerator can beat eggs, discuss.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:38:23 2010 No.5519809

>>5519783
Magic a is magic a, magic b is also magic b. If you're going to get anal about crossover universe's mechanics and whatnot, then there'd be no point in having match ups like this.

And it's not like magic don't adhere to physics completely in TaMnI. But Accelerator is special, his power is, anyways. But his body is still that or a normal human.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:38:23 2010 No.5519814 Yukari can defeat anything with a boundary. This EXEMPTS most gods, whom are at least partially metaphysical. TYPE-entities included.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:39:23 2010 No.5519817 Arcueid can beat them both anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:39:23 2010 No.5519819 >>5519783 Someone with a load of poison could kill Accelerator. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:40:23 2010 No.5519822 What happens if Accelerator accidentally falls off a cliff?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:40:23 2010 No.5519825 >>5519814 She'll manipulate the boundary between god and human.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:41:23 2010 No.5519831 >>5519825 That would probably cause horrible ramifications the world over.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:42:23 2010 No.5519835 Who the fuck cares

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:43:23 2010 No.5519842 >>5519822 He vectors himself up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:46:23 2010 No.5519858 >>5519842 But wouldn't that mean he will go straight up, to space?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:50:23 2010 No.5519869 >>5519858 Rather, he'd turn off the gravity vector. His momentum would keep him from being relatively near Earth for long enough for him to vector himself back over dry land. Someone with a gravity gun could defeat Accelerator, discuss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:52:23 2010 No.5519880 How about Speed and Time?

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:54:23 2010 No.5519885

The easiest way to kill Accelerator is to poison his food which would be especially easy for Yukari. It would be even more fun to tell him.

"Oh yeah, I poisoned that hamburger. I poisoned your soda too. I poisoned those fries." Eventually he would either stave to death or eat poison. "I told him there was poison in that cake but he ate it anyway."

Accelerator is pretty easy to defeat by any competent being.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:56:23 2010 No.5519889
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Accelerater can't think faster than the speed of light, Flash can.

Flash could run off and shove something lethal at Accelerator, that Accelerator has never ever been in contact with, and kill him before his auto shield could adjust itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:56:23 2010 No.5519894 >>5519774 It would be lulzy indeed, canceling her gap and cutting her in two.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:57:23 2010 No.5519898 >>5519894 How exactly do you touch a hole in space/time? I guess he could touch the ribbons, but... would that work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 10:58:23 2010 No.5519901 >>5519885 See >>5519819

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Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:06:23 2010 No.5519946
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Has ZUN ever defined how far "Manipulation of all boundaries" goes?

I hear people saying shit like manipulating the boundaries between this and this but how much is actually possible?

I might need to read the rest of the official stuff but all I've seen Yukari do is use it for transportation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:06:23 2010 No.5519950 >>5519946 >hasn't read PCB manual or Phantasm stage

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:07:23 2010 No.5519954 >>5519950 I haven't. Hence >I might need to read the rest of the official stuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:07:23 2010 No.5519955 >>5519946 No one knows. Everything is just fanwank.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:09:23 2010 No.5519964 File: 151 KB, 582x800, 1266037775522.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Touhous? In my Raildex universe?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:10:23 2010 No.5519966 http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo All you've ever wanted to know about Yukari and more.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:10:23 2010 No.5519968 >>5519946 >Has ZUN ever defined how far "Manipulation of all boundaries" goes? Zun isn't in the habit of defining anything. He prefers to let the fans run wild.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:11:23 2010 No.5519972 File: 1.95 MB, 960x1280, c1d090c7b25d947d070e895a57bca5cb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5519968 >>5519955 I figured as much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:15:23 2010 No.5519981 File: 420 KB, 640x480, youkai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5519946

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:17:23 2010 No.5519986 >>5519946 Boundaries are spacial limits, no? So she has manipulation over space, which plenty of entities in Sci-Fi and Fantasy have.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:17:23 2010 No.5519989 http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Boundary

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:21:23 2010 No.5519997 File: 127 KB, 638x877, lilith.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lilith can beat everyone in here. Discuss

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:22:23 2010 No.5520001

>A boundary is the border between two things, such as life and death, or day and night. Gensokyo is protected by a boundary, called the Hakurei Border, to keep it isolated from the human world. Yukari Yakumo has a great power over boundaries.
>Other notable boundaries in Gensokyo include the door to the Netherworld and the border space between Gensokyo and Makai.

In PCB, Yukari weakened the border of Life and Death. Consider that for a moment. Her power is much more encompassing than simple spatial control.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:26:23 2010 No.5520021 >>5519997 She's a bitch. Just sayin'.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:31:23 2010 No.5520046 What can Lilith do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:35:23 2010 No.5520058 >>5520046 Be a trifling whore and break everyone's heart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:38:23 2010 No.5520069 >>5520058 I see... But is she hax?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:42:23 2010 No.5520082 >>5519869 Gravity can be expressed as a field of vectors, it won't affect accelerator if he can spare the thought to prevent it from doing so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:49:23 2010 No.5520108 >>5520069 She's a guardian of a giant library where each book is a different world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:53:23 2010 No.5520121 >>5519997 But...Can she beat eggs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 11:58:23 2010 No.5520141 >>5520108 Nigh omnipotent range here?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 12:02:23 2010 No.5520160 >>5520001 Yes, but you only have yourself to blame to if you take Akyu's explanation for its word (or to its logical conclusion).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 12:05:23 2010 No.5520177 >>5520160 True. Still, the events in PCB is pretty clear. Yukari weakens the border of the Great Boundary, as well as the border between life and death. She couldn't just fix it with a wave of her hand, however.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 12:17:23 2010 No.5520234 >>5519946 Yukari can let the sun and moon appear in the sky at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 12:49:23 2010 No.5520416 File: 32 KB, 242x370, grey_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Greys can defeat yukari Discuss

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 12:52:23 2010 No.5520425 >>5520234 This already happens. Out here, in the real world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 12:55:23 2010 No.5520439 >>5520425 Seriously, I see that nearly every morning when I go for my daily stroll.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 12:58:23 2010 No.5520447 rance can rape yukari discuss

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:00:23 2010 No.5520458 >>5520425 >>5520439 And this shows Yukari's power even affects the real world!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:02:23 2010 No.5520471 File: 21 KB, 300x421, God.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5520458 Thus, Yukari exists. And if Yukari exists, so does Gensokyo. Meaning that ZUN is a god. Or he IS God.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:04:23 2010 No.5520480 >>5520447 Berserker can rape Rance. Discuss.

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Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:09:23 2010 No.5520498
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>>5519946
>Has ZUN ever defined how far "Manipulation of all boundaries" goes?
So far ZUN has said Yukari is capable of manipulating boundaries. ZUN has said that 'everything' has a boundaries.
>As you know, everything is built upon the existence of boundaries.
>Thus, the ability to manipulate boundaries is an ability of logical creation and destruction.
>It's said that this ability is not limited to physical space, but also applies to pictures, others' dreams, and even stories.
>In any case, there is not a single defense against or weak point in the ability to manipulate boundaries.
>Among the abilities youkai are known to possess, this is one of the most dangerous, being comparable even to the power of gods.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Yukari_Yakumo

This essentially means Yukari has the ability to manipulate everything. Be it the border between life & death, night & day, past & future, or fantasy & reality. The time, concentration, distance, energy, and resources Yukari needs to manipulate the aforementioned boundaries are mere speculation. However, like most youkai, Yukari is weak against shinto/buddha chants and enchanted items. Meaning, even a 7 year girl could defeat Yukari (assuming she had access to Yukari's krytonite).

If you've read the link posted above it also says Yukari was able to create an entire world. Every event that occurs in the games takes place in a world Yukari created:
>The project refers to a plan designed and implemented by Yukari in order to restore power to the youkai of Gensokyo, who felt pressured by human expansion.
>Until then Gensokyo was merely an isolated mountain place, but she planned to create the boundary between illusion and reality around Gensokyo, thus logically creating a new world.

>>	Wed Jun 30 13:10:23 2010 No.5520504 >>5520471 God can beat ZUN. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:12:23 2010 No.5520511 A bottle of russian homebrew vodka can beat ZUN's liver. Discuss.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:14:23 2010 No.5520525 File: 732 KB, 1120x1120, 1259264387579.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5520482

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:15:23 2010 No.5520528 File: 83 KB, 571x589, 11455953.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Yukari can't beat Kaguya because eternity has no boundary. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:16:23 2010 No.5520533 >>5520511 This has been proven false on numerous occasions. >>5520528 This has been proven false in at least one danmaku battle.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:17:23 2010 No.5520536

>A bottle of russian homebrew vodka can beat ZUN's liver. Discuss.
It cannot. Obviously. Since he is still inflicting games on us without signs of faltering.

>God can beat ZUN. Discuss.
If there was truly a God, he would never allow for this rampant moebooism to run amok amongst the populace, corrupting good Christians/Muslims/Shintoists/Taoists/what have you.

Ergo, God doesn't exist
- OR -
does exists, but cannot use his powers to beat ZUN.

...

Fuck Epicurus, Touhou is where the REAL theological arguments are at.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:17:23 2010 No.5520537 >>5520498 >Yukari was able to create an entire world Exaggeration. She didn't create anything. She can't. She just put a sphere around a circular area.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:18:23 2010 No.5520540 File: 37 KB, 200x200, fagdeny.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Op is a faggot. /discuss

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:19:23 2010 No.5520547

About God (or 'Yahweh'): if he exists in this world (or this universe, at all), then he has to adjust to our physics.

Yukari and Accelerator aren't bound by the same rules there, so they can beat God there. However, if they tried to cross over to our universe, the force of real-life physics kicking in would instantly destroy them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:19:23 2010 No.5520550 >>5520533 Danmaku battles aren't proof of shit. They're fake. Not real fights.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:20:23 2010 No.5520554 >>5520537 >She just put a sphere around a circular area. SO SHE RULES OVER EUCLIDEAN NOTIONS OF DIMENSIONS AS WELL? Holy fuck.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:21:23 2010 No.5520563 >>5520528 Boundary of what's eternal and what's not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:21:23 2010 No.5520564 >>5520550 Nevertheless, Yukari beat Kagyua in a play game and bent her to her will, to restore the moon. As Kaguya did not challenge Yukari to fight with all their powers, she obviously didn't think it worth doing so.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:21:23 2010 No.5520568
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Reimu, a human with no powers:
-Defeated Yuuka, who's said to be one of the strongest youkai.
-Went into Makai and beat up legions of youkai.
-Walked into the Scarlet Devil Mansion and defeated Remilia.

If Accelerator got taught how to exorcise evil spirits (-->youkai), he'd be able to defeat anybody in the Touhouverse. Reimu is just a normal girl in her mid-teens (according to ZUN), and she managed to beat everybody. Touhou fans tend to overlook the youkais' kryptonite to holy attacks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:23:23 2010 No.5520570 >>5520564 Well duh. She was going to put the moon back in the morning anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:24:23 2010 No.5520574 >>5520568 >>Reimu >no powers what

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:27:23 2010 No.5520588

>>5520528
>Yukari can't beat Kaguya because eternity has no boundary. Discuss.
ZUN said:
>In any case, there is not a single defense against or weak point in the ability to manipulate boundaries.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Yukari_Yakumo

>>5520537
>Exaggeration.
But ZUN said she created an entire world:
>Until then Gensokyo was merely an isolated mountain place, but she planned to create the boundary between illusion and reality around Gensokyo, thus logically creating a *new *world.
>By establishing Gensokyo as an illusionary *world, and the outside as the real world, the youkai weakened by the outside world would naturally flock to Gensokyo; this was a truly epochal event.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:28:23 2010 No.5520589 >83 posts and 16 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view. Jesus christ, I'm so disappoint /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:28:23 2010 No.5520590 Remilia can beat Yukari Discuss. Keine can beat Yukari. Discuss.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:29:23 2010 No.5520595

>>5520568
mock battles

>>5520563
If such a border existed, Yukari wouldn't try to manipulate it, as the smallest mistake would have consequences of infinite scale.

>>5520564
Kaguya was happy to be able to play with anyone after being in Eientei (and the sealed room?) for so long. In the end, she even made the main character look like villains.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:29:23 2010 No.5520597 >>5520568 Reimu has shitloads of powers, she's just to lazy to use them. It actually took her a few games to realize that she can fly without a magic turtle...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:29:23 2010 No.5520599 >Zun said >Zun said >Zun said >Zun said >Zun said ITT bad translations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:29:23 2010 No.5520600 The dragon is yukari's true form

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:30:23 2010 No.5520602 >>5520589 I'm mildly disappointed as well but please make a more interesting thread before complaining too much.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:31:23 2010 No.5520610 File: 24 KB, 200x200, umkhurr.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT: faggots making presumptions based on human pov for the universe/s

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:33:23 2010 No.5520621 I could defeat [insert youkai] with an enchanted item.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:37:23 2010 No.5520640 >>5520621 Bullshit, you can't create any decent enchantments. You have no rogue stones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:37:23 2010 No.5520642 OP can defeat /jp/ with two lines and a picture. Discuss.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:38:23 2010 No.5520646

ZUN said: Akyuu said:
Yukari is the most powerful youkai, no weaknesses etc.
ZUN said: Akyuu said:
Youkai ask her to make them look better in her book, so Akyuu exaggerates "a bit".

Yukari didn't "create" a new world just because Akyuu worded it like that. In reality, she separated the Gensokyo from the outside world. It's still the same place and people can go inside/outside as the please.

Akyuu isn't omniscient. For example, she doesn't know that Eirin is from the moon and what role she played there. She can only write about what she sees herself or is told of by others.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:39:23 2010 No.5520654 >>5520642 /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:41:23 2010 No.5520668 File: 122 KB, 1024x642, Spetsnaz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These dudes can defeat Gensokyo Discuss

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:42:23 2010 No.5520672 File: 44 KB, 435x435, 1277502105996.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5520642 I can do that with one line and a picture. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:46:23 2010 No.5520704 File: 281 KB, 500x620, 10878018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mary can defeat Yukari

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:48:23 2010 No.5520720

>>5520646
>Contemporary Gensokyo has been preserved as a perfect world thanks to clever youkai.
Sounds like a world to me.
>However, no youkai ever try to invade the outside world.
>I believe it's because youkai have no reason to attack the humans of the outside world.
>To that extent, the outside world has become the world of humans.
>Youkai are only mentioned in the context of stories in the outside world, and even in stories they only exist to be vanquished
If it's just a separate piece of land, how come ZUN keeps using words like outside world?

>If the outside world were to be destroyed, I wonder what sort of action the youkai sages would take.
This implies the world Yukari created can exist independently of the real world.

I leave you with one last thing:
>It was the youkai who quickly came up with a plan to create such an intellectual world, not the humans of the outside, and not the humans who exterminate youkai for a living.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:50:23 2010 No.5520732 >>5520668 Yes, leave it to soldiers to fire upon children and unarmed women. Fucking cowards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:52:23 2010 No.5520758 >>5520720 Youkai DO go outside sometimes to catch humans, since they are delicious. Youkais that can cook.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:54:23 2010 No.5520776 Sure is people thinking ZUN uses word of god to talk about Gensokyo rather than speaking through characters who may or may not be reliable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:56:23 2010 No.5520789 Touhou canon is VERY open to interpretation. There is no one true series of facts, beyond the VERY basics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:58:23 2010 No.5520795 >>5520789 Thank you. Don't tell /jp/ that though, they can't accept anything less than 100% canon because they have no imagination and hate fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:59:23 2010 No.5520802 You know that orb just before you fight utsuho? Why is it using a similar pattern to border of wave and particle? Is it Yukari shenanigans or just a lazy ZUN?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 13:59:23 2010 No.5520806 >>5520795 Creativity is something none of us have.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:05:23 2010 No.5520840 >>5520802 That attack is just so "basic", that even orbs and fairies can do it. (that orb is NOT Nue)

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:07:23 2010 No.5520851

Here's the canon truth about Touhou: Humans were beating the hell out of youkai until the youkai sage came up with the "regroup in Gensokyo" plan. Had it not been for the mock battles that humans agreed to go along with, the youkai would have went extinct. You don't have to be Accelerator to defeat youkai, all you need is their kryptonite. Or if you're lazy you could just convince all humans to stop believing in youkai which would negate their existence. Citation: >>5507536

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:11:23 2010 No.5520886 File: 365 KB, 534x2934, 1277883654001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5520536 Moebooism and Religion don't have to be enemies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:12:23 2010 No.5520890 >>5520840 Nue was trapped in the underground... why couldn't it be her?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:15:23 2010 No.5520909 >>5520890 You didn't even think about Nue being the orb until >>5520840 ,right?

>>	thoughtless celestial Wed Jun 30 14:15:23 2010 No.5520914 File: 441 KB, 724x1024, 8d71abba7ce4825736ad30294978218c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >my waifu is stronger than your waifu Tenshi lost on purpose, discuss

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:20:23 2010 No.5520942 >>5520914 It's true. Yukari beat her. Reisen beat her afterwards. For all the other fights, she lost on purpose or she won.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:23:23 2010 No.5520958

>>5520914
>>5520942
Tenshi was bored and wanted to have fun by fighting with people, it doesn't matter for her to win or lose, as long as the fight is fun for her it's fine. Someone with that in mind can't possibly fight properly to the point of seriousness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:24:23 2010 No.5520965 >>5520909 Right. Does it matter? It's a cool idea.

>>	nvm !HmmlolGoKw Wed Jun 30 14:25:23 2010 No.5520970 >>5519774 but touma's ability is shit, she can just appear above him and throw a gigantic rock or something.

thoughtless celestial Wed Jun 30 14:27:23 2010 No.5520983
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>>5520942
what is the order of the stories, btw? I know that suika's came before patchi's, and that yukari's was after reimu's, but what was the exsact order?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:27:23 2010 No.5520985 >>5520958 >>5520942 >>5520914 >>5520802 Tenshi is into S&M guys, how have you failed to mention this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:28:23 2010 No.5520990 File: 18 KB, 320x181, AngrySpetsnaz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5520732 >unarmed women

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:28:23 2010 No.5520994 Touma doesn't even need to fight a single person to kill every youkai in Gensokyo. Just touch the Barrier.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 14:30:23 2010 No.5521002 >>5520994 youkai dont need gensokyo to live

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:31:23 2010 No.5521016 File: 437 KB, 800x800, 1371453.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5520914 Me in the middle

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:32:23 2010 No.5521020 >>5520994 >>5521002 And another virgin nerd got owned by Suigin.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:32:23 2010 No.5521022 >>5521002 They don't need it, but it makes living a hell of a lot easier.

>>	thoughtless celestial Wed Jun 30 14:33:23 2010 No.5521028 File: 233 KB, 518x516, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5521016 me on the right

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:34:23 2010 No.5521031 >>5520942 >For all the other fights, she lost on purpose or she won. [Citation needed]

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 14:38:23 2010 No.5521060 >>5521022 touma destroying the barrier would be as retarded as throwing stones to a bee hive in a park full of children >>5521031 play the fucking game

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:41:23 2010 No.5521080 >>5521060 That could potentially be a child massacre depending on: -the availability of escape routes -how many are allergic to bee stings -the species and ferocity level of the bees

Anonymous of Austria Wed Jun 30 14:41:23 2010 No.5521081

>>5520983
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Scarlet_Weather_Rhapsody:_Timeline

You'll see that Reisen fights Tenshi after Yukari fights her and Tenshi isn't in really in the mood anymore.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Scarlet_Weather_Rhapsody:_Reisen%27s_Scenario#Stage_Final

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 14:43:23 2010 No.5521090 >>5521080 the baddest motherfuckers in the bee kingdom all the kids are allergic no escape

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:45:23 2010 No.5521110 >>5521080 -all closed -all of them -african BEEEEEEES

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:46:23 2010 No.5521118 >>5521090 atheists are immune to youkai bees

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:46:23 2010 No.5521125 File: 1.08 MB, 1000x1200, honey9359917.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Youkai bee Touhou where?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:48:23 2010 No.5521139 >>5521118 but not lonely neets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:49:23 2010 No.5521144 >>5521125 Is that from that Flandre x Christopher Robin doujin?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 14:57:23 2010 No.5521203 >>5521144 What.

>>	thoughtless celestial Wed Jun 30 15:07:23 2010 No.5521297 >>5521144 FUND IT

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 15:25:23 2010 No.5521442

>>5521002
>>5521020
>>5521022
>youkai dont need gensokyo to live
You are semi-correct. They might not need Gensokyo to live per se, but they DO need Gensokyo to survive. This was discussed in detail in this >>5507536 thread. I'll give you a short summary. Yukari said the moon is the mother of youkai. The shadows that were created by the moon created fear and the fear created youkai. To deal with the fear, youkai exterminators were brought in. The fear of youkai disappeared and the days of humans believing in magic had faded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 15:56:23 2010 No.5521695 >>5521442 Except if youkai really cared they could start slaughtering humans on the mass scale and fear would instantly return.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:05:23 2010 No.5521769 >>5521695 What point of youkai slayers exorcising them do you not understand?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:10:23 2010 No.5521804 >>5521769 Because modern world is full of mages and youkai slayers right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:12:23 2010 No.5521823 >>5521804 No, it';s full of things that are much worse, things that even surprised the Lunar Capital. Yukari dances circles around them in SSiB but in a straight on fight even she admits she'd might never win.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:14:23 2010 No.5521834 >>5521804 Because it's very hard to train sufficient amount of them quickly, considering the number of humans, if you really need to, right?

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:14:23 2010 No.5521835

>>5521769

In SSiB Ran said that youkai are today many times more powerful than they were when Yukari invaded the moon. To the point if they all united even lunarians wouldn't stand a chance.

And at the end of PMiSS Akyu is wondering why youkai simply let humans dominate the outside world when they could easily terrorize them and throw whole world back to middle ages level. Her conclusion is: they matured beyond such things as conquest and material gains.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:16:23 2010 No.5521843 >>5521835 Akyu is an idiot. Youkai couldn't terrorize the human world even if they wanted to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:17:23 2010 No.5521849 >>5521823 Lunarians are humans. You can kill them with normal weapons. Youkai are completely immune to weapons lacking spiritual power.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:19:23 2010 No.5521853 >>5521843 Yeah. I'm sure you have solid proof right?

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:19:23 2010 No.5521854

Youkai might be stronger than humans, or as ZUN put it: infinitely stronger, but youkai can NOT defeat youkai exterminators. Keep in mind that humans don't even need to fight youkai in order to defeat them. For instance, forest faeries like Cirno would die instantly if a) humans exorcised the forest or b) stopped believing in the forest. That's just how things work with youkai. Accelerator could exploit their various weaknesses and win with ease.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:21:23 2010 No.5521860 >>5521804 Considering what happened when Rinnosuke tried to go outside... yes, it apparently is.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:21:23 2010 No.5521863

ZUN said that our human mortality is the result of our impure Earth. A sage who wanted to live forever started a 'pure' civilization on the moon that allowed its inhabitants to live forever (under the condition that they stayed pure) [1].

The sage feared an invasion from the (ever advancing) humans that he left behind on Earth. In order to keep said humans in check, the Lunarians invented youkai -- with the sole purpose of making the Earth more impure [2]. As time went on brave humans were sent out to exterminate youkai resulting in the advent of the Hakurei barrier. As the times changed, Earth was no longer a suitable habitat for lower level youkai. A youkai named Yukari became concerned with the humans' ever advancing influence and decided to create a world for youkai in a region known as Gensokyo [3].

In an attempt to increase the quality of life in Gensokyo, Yukari cooked up a plan to secure the Lunarians' paramount invention that granted them a limitless supply of energy. The plan ended in failure because there weren't enough strong youkai back in those times [4]. Yukari would later go on to breakdown the boundaries between humans and youkai. For reasons yet to be specified [5].

[1] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate:_Chapter_3
[2] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Scarlet_Team%27s_Scenario_2
[3] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Yukari_Yakumo
[4] SSiB chp 3 page 7-8
[5] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia:_Chapter_25

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:21:23 2010 No.5521865 >>5521854 >youkai can NOT defeat youkai exterminators That's why pretty much every youkai beat the shit out of Reimu in SWR?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:24:23 2010 No.5521876 >>5521854 Most youkai exterminators defeat youkai in groups. And most youkai are many times weaker than named youkai. PMiSS clearly state that the most powerful youkai can not be defeated by humans.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:26:23 2010 No.5521885

>>5521865
>The project refers to a plan designed and implemented by Yukari in order to restore power to the youkai of Gensokyo, who felt pressured by human expansion.
>By establishing Gensokyo as an illusionary world, and the outside as the real world, the youkai weakened by the outside world would naturally flock to Gensokyo; this was a truly epochal event.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Yukari_Yakumo
Explain to me why youkai were pushed into such a corner.

>We, the humans of the village, will continue our mock battles with the youkai in order to ensure the stability of their existence.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento%3A_Monologue
The youkai owe their existence to humans.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 16:26:23 2010 No.5521886 >youkai can NOT defeat youkai exterminators yes we can

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:26:23 2010 No.5521888 >>5521865 Spellcard rules. >>5521863 For reasons yet unspecified she also was satisfied stealing Lunarian wine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:29:23 2010 No.5521907 >>5521863 >Pure people being afraid of impure people, so they worked to make the impure people even more impure, in order to protect themselves. Good thinking there Zun, sounds pure to me.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:32:23 2010 No.5521927

Apparently just holding an ipod up to his ear is enough to bring Rinnosuke across the border. He's half-youkai.

If I ever get into Gensokyo, I'm shoving my laptop in any youkai I see's faces. If my theory is correct, they should immediately be forced outside the border.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:32:23 2010 No.5521929

>>5521885
>Explain to me why youkai were pushed into such a corner.

95% of youkai are weak. Fairies make the vast majority of youkai. Those weak youkai could not survive in human dominated world.

Youkai who are game bosses are a completely different story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:32:23 2010 No.5521931 >>5521849 >Youkai are completely immune to weapons lacking spiritual power. No, weapons with spiritual meaning are just super effective.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:32:23 2010 No.5521932
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>>5521886
Reimu, a girl in her mid teens defeated Yuuka BEFORE the spellcard rules were enacted. Clearly your underestimating the youkais' kryptonite. I'm not saying humans are physically or mentally superior to youkai (that's impossible), I'm just saying youkai have various (exploitable) weaknesses. Even Superman gets his ass kicked by the government whenever they get their hands on kryptonite.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 16:34:23 2010 No.5521947 >>5521932 Reimu teamed with Marisa to do that that explains both why mugenkan was sealed and why marisa copied the master spark plus reimu is a genius

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:36:23 2010 No.5521951

>>5521931
>Youkai have more robust bodies than humans, so even if they're split into five, they heal right away.
>In extermination, one does not use weapons that cause physical damage; weapons with an "origin" are more preferable.
>Youkai are infinitely physically stronger than humans, and trying to fight them will only have you end up as food.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Encyclopedia:_Presence

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:36:23 2010 No.5521954 >>5521835 >youkai simply let humans dominate the outside world when they could easily terrorize them and throw whole world back to middle ages level [[citation needed]]

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:36:23 2010 No.5521955

>>5521931
>Youkai have more robust bodies than humans, so even if they're split into five, they heal right away.
>Youkai are more easily affected by faith than humans, and as a result spiritual damage are fatal wounds.

Not super effective, it's the only way to hurt them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:36:23 2010 No.5521956 >>5521932 it's clear that you need spiritual shit to fight youkais, and that's their weak point. Shrine maidens, monks, priests, etc they all are powerful when it comes against youkai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:36:23 2010 No.5521958 Youkai are weak to faith, right? So, if I believe this .50 will hurt them, it will. Bam, there goes all plans of youkai invading the outside world.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:37:23 2010 No.5521970 >>5521954 Read PMiSS monologue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:38:23 2010 No.5521973 >>5521958 It's gotta be a weapon with an origin. Like, say a weapon used in a movie. I bet that would make a great anti-youkai weapon.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:38:23 2010 No.5521978

>>5521932
>youkai can NOT defeat youkai exterminators
is just ridiculous.
Youkai exterminators are just humans and humans are easily killed.

>Even Superman gets his ass kicked by the government whenever they get their hands on kryptonite.
The government can't do shit when he lasers them to death from outer space.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 16:39:23 2010 No.5521983 >>5521958 physical damage aint shit to youkai

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:40:23 2010 No.5521990 File: 63 KB, 500x500, 11534003.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5521970 Akyu doesn't know shit. Not to mention, she was talking about them terrorizing the outside world AFTER HUMANS DISAPPEARED.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:41:23 2010 No.5522001

>>5521970
Id doesn't say this. It say only that:
>Today's Gensokyo is heavily dependent on the outside world.
>IF THE OUTSIDE WORLD WERE TO BE destroyed, I wonder what sort of action the youkai sages would take.
>I suspect they would immediately dissolve the Great Barrier and begin their domination over the outside world.
Destroyed somehow, not but youkai, duh.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:42:23 2010 No.5522006
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If ZUN wasn't such a shitty writer and defined Reimu's powers like Kagome (from Inuyasha) or Yusuke (from YuYu Hakusho), it would make sense how she's able to fight against the PC-98 bosses before the spellcard rules were enacted. ZUN is such a shitty writer that he forgets about their powers sometimes:
>Spell Card 215 "Fantasy Heaven"
>Supreme Master-Arts by any means. With Reimu's ability to float, she floats from everything in reality and becomes invincible.

>If it wasn't just for play (with time limit), no one could beat her with any method.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Last_Word_Spell_Cards#Spell_Card_215
Where was this power in SSiB?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:42:23 2010 No.5522008 >>5521973 Why not covering the gun in seals? Or giving it to the miko?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:44:23 2010 No.5522012 >>5522006 Nice troll post bro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:44:23 2010 No.5522016 >>5521060 >Play the fucking game I played. And shit translations won't change my mind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:45:23 2010 No.5522019 >>5521958 >>5521983 Just blow them up and they're dead. Remilia is said to be able to regenerate when even a single bat survives, so be sure to kill all of them. Only ghosts and spirits like Yuyuko or Murasa are immune to physical damage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:46:23 2010 No.5522022 >>5521020 Sup Suigin?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:46:23 2010 No.5522023 Akyu prettymuch says in the monologue that youkai cannot exist outside Gensokyo. They were almost wiped out a century ago by disbelief, and our disbelief is far stroner now than it was then.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:46:23 2010 No.5522028

>>5522008
That may work.

I think a good example of figuring how humans and youkai fight each other is like humans fighting our classic vampires. Humans can easily be beaten since they are humans but the vampires have some weakness such as holy water, sun light, etc. It all depends on the situation, strategy and stuff.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 16:47:23 2010 No.5522035 >>5522019 >Youkai have more robust bodies than humans, so even if they're split into five, they heal right away. >>5522022 sup virgin nerd

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:48:23 2010 No.5522037 >>5521973 It's not so easy. Weapons with origin can hurt youkai, but that don't really mean much. You can hurt humans with a simple rock, but it's not easy if they are armed with shotguns.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:49:23 2010 No.5522040
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>>5522019
>Faster than the eye can follow, strong enough to crush boulders, powerful enough to manipulate demons, she's so strong it's almost not fair, so she doesn't care much for subtle technique. She may be weak against sunlight, but she has a pretty strong constitution, so as long as some bit of her still remains, say, a little bat, she can regenerate any time.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Remilia_Scarlet#Immaterial_and_Missing_Power_-_.E4.B8.8A.E6.B5.B7.E3.82
.A2.E3.83.AA.E3.82.B9.E9.80.9A.E4.BF.A1.txt

Full quote. I wonder who would win in a fist fight, Remilia, Yuuka, or Suika.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:49:23 2010 No.5522044

>>5521951
>>5521955
>Not super effective, it's the only way to hurt them.

Thank you for confirming my post.
Youkai are not immune to physical damage.
>>Youkai have more
robust bodies than humans, so even if they're split into five, they heal right away.

Spiritual attacks are super effective
>Youkai are more easily affected by faith than humans, and as a result spiritual damage are fatal wounds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:50:23 2010 No.5522050 >>5522040 Suika. Both Remilia and Yuka can't divide the Youkai mountain in half with a single move.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:50:23 2010 No.5522053 >>5522040 Remilia if we take her bullshit regeneration into account. What's that, punched a hole in my stomach? What hole? Eventually the onis would get tired.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:51:23 2010 No.5522056 >>5522040 >weak against sunlight Irradiate with a UV lamp.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:51:23 2010 No.5522058 >>5522023 No. She say they still exist in the outside world. She's even afraid that some very powerful youkai can come from the outside world and conquer Gensokyo. And Ran said that there are much more youkai now than in the past.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:52:23 2010 No.5522062 File: 154 KB, 1024x1280, 11542616.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I really wouldn't want to fight Remilia. Even if she "loses" your fate is getting changed to whatever she feels like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:52:23 2010 No.5522069 >>5522040 Yes, that's what I meant. So not a single "bit" of her is allowed to "survive" the attack or she will regenerate. Just like Cell form DBZ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:53:23 2010 No.5522071 >>5522050 I forgot to say no powers and spells included. I bet Suika is as powerful as she looks when she's not using her powers. And judging her by her looks alone she looks like a little flat chested girl.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 16:53:23 2010 No.5522072 >>5522040 >I wonder who would win in a fist fight, Remilia, Yuuka, or Suika. that's like asking which is shittier, cat shit, dog shit or sheep shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:53:23 2010 No.5522075 >>5522050 same guy here. Thinking about it further: Suika is always drunk anyways, she would probably miss her attacks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:53:23 2010 No.5522077 >>5522058 Oh, that's true. So, weak youkai that fell into Gensokyo would die, but strong youkai that chose to come to Gensokyo would be okay? That sounds about right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:53:23 2010 No.5522080 >>5522056 Or better bring Okuu and blow the shit up with entire specter.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:55:23 2010 No.5522088

Well this whole immune thing to physical attacks and super robust bodies might not pertain to the power of modern weaponry.
Armstrong and the Apollo crew nearly wiped out an entire army of YOUKAI rabbits with 1970's weapons.
So Unless NASA was carrying some super tech weapons or had knowledge of magic this does hamper the whole argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:56:23 2010 No.5522097 PC-98 Reimu = Goku from Dragonball PC Reimu = Goku from Dragonball Z Reimu was so weak back in the days she didn't have enough control of her spirit energy to take flight.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:56:23 2010 No.5522099

I bet that 'weapons with origin' thing is put to prevent any Joe Everyday from just going youkai hunting with his butter knife.

What I'm getting at is that if Joe Everyday was trained, his butter knife would be as effective against youkai as Reimu's powers.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 16:56:23 2010 No.5522101 >>5522088 >YOUKAI rabbits that's like saying humans are stronger than pokemon because you can kick the living shit out of low tiers like pidgey

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:58:23 2010 No.5522118 PC-98 Reimu is Reimu's mom, Reimu.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 16:58:23 2010 No.5522121 >>5522097 reimu is a genius she rarely ever needs to train her power now is probably the same as her power in the pc-98 era + god channeling

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:58:23 2010 No.5522123 >>5522072 >that's like asking which is shittier, cat shit, dog shit or sheep shit That's not the type of answer I was expecting. So I'll answer it for you: 1. Suika 2. Remilia 3. Yuuka

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:59:23 2010 No.5522129 >>5522088 Correction: Youkai are impure. The moon is pure. Lunarians made some on the Earth into youkai. Moonrabbits live on the moon. Moonrabbits are not youkai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 16:59:23 2010 No.5522132 >>5522101 So your saying that the whole immune to physical attacks and that all youkai are infinitely stronger then humans are a load of bull then? Kind of hard to categorize all of them as such if one entire group doesn't meet the criteria.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:00:23 2010 No.5522136

>>5522071
>I forgot to say no powers and spells included.
I understand the no spells part but powers?

Yuka's strong physical strength may be classified as 'power' along with Remilia's regeneration.

So you are asking who would win a fight between a small girl, a loli-like girl and a young woman?

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:01:23 2010 No.5522146 >>5522123 sadly the correct answer is 0.Suika 0.Remi 0.Yuuka physical damage for youkai is nothing and all three of them are incredibly strong physically

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:01:23 2010 No.5522152 >>5522088 USA fought LDC, so at best two dozens of lazy rabbits. And they still lost.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:02:23 2010 No.5522156 >>5522136 >young woman Um, I have some news for you.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:02:23 2010 No.5522160 >>5522132 actually where did the whole >Armstrong and the Apollo crew nearly wiped out an entire army of YOUKAI rabbits with 1970's weapons. thing come from?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:03:23 2010 No.5522170 >>5522146 you aren't sad at all you liar

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:04:23 2010 No.5522178 >>5522146 Not the same guy but If we consider then Remilia's regeneration as a "passive" ability allowed she would probably win due the other 2 being tired after punching her so much. With that in mind it would result as: Remilia Yuka Suika

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:05:23 2010 No.5522183 >>5522156 I know they are all 'old'. But living for so long is also a 'power' so we will use physical standards for that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:06:23 2010 No.5522189 Gensokyo was a last resort. The humans were on the verge of exterminating youkai. If Remilia, Yuuka, and etc... are so powerful how come they all had to take refuge in Gensokyo?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:06:23 2010 No.5522194 99% of youkai are not much stronger than humans. In every game you slaughter thousands of low level youkai and fairies. Powerful youkai can't be destroyed. At best they can be sealed, and they will still break free after some time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:06:23 2010 No.5522196 >>5522160 Not known: Who led the attack. --You can look up all rocket starts with destination moon after 1969 though. Known: War DID take place. Moon rabbits died in it. Reisen fled from the front lines --> there was at least one front line

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:07:23 2010 No.5522199 >>5522178 all three of them can regenerate too

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:08:23 2010 No.5522208 >>5522199 But isn't Remilia's regeneration more effective than a usual youkai regeneration?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:08:23 2010 No.5522218 >>5522196 Reisen fled before war started. And it was never said that rabbits died in that war.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:08:23 2010 No.5522219 >>5522196 yeah that doesnt answer my question

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:09:23 2010 No.5522221 >2 being tired after punching her so much. Don't you think Remilia will become tired after regenerating so much?

>>	lotti Wed Jun 30 17:09:23 2010 No.5522225 >Yukari >AT FIERUDO DA! >End of evangelion end

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:10:23 2010 No.5522231 File: 89 KB, 332x473, 10557742.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She's the strongest.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:10:23 2010 No.5522233 >>5522221 Good point, sir. Back to the draw result.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:10:23 2010 No.5522238

>>5522194
Except the Oni who are considered the strongest of Youkai were being killed by humans a long time ago, so that dampens that argument. Hell, that is the reason why they left the surface world in the first place since humans were exploiting their nature.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:11:23 2010 No.5522242 Just shine a flashlight in Remilia's face and she'll lose. It's really that simple.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:11:23 2010 No.5522244 >>5522189 Humans were on the verge of exterminating weak youkai like fairies. Powerful youkai were not affected. Many of them still live in the outside world.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:11:23 2010 No.5522247 >>5522208 it just works differently for example if you destroy remilia using magic/divine powers and there's a small bat that is a part of her living in the middle of nowhere she can regenerate

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:12:23 2010 No.5522253
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>>5522088
If we accept that as true, we might as well also accept the 1945 Nazi invasion of the moon as true too (pic related)
The 1969 moon landing was MASSIVELY blown out of proportion by the lunarians to give themselves an excuse to seal the moon (or themselves).
What actually happened is the 'official' version of the story: Armstrong came out, walked a few steps and went back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:13:23 2010 No.5522259 Who cares for weak youkai the most? Yukari or Byakuren?

Anonymous of Austria Wed Jun 30 17:13:23 2010 No.5522263

>>5522218
>You bear a large sin.
>You abandoned your allies, letting them die,
>while you're the only one here living happily.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View:_Reisen%27s_Scenario

>The rabbit had escaped from the front line of a war, leaving her allies behind...
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kaguya_Houraisan

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:13:23 2010 No.5522268 >>5522259 byakuren

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:13:23 2010 No.5522270
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Call it grimdark or "lol powerlevels" if you want, but a Touhou anime with a blend of taking it easy and 'serious' battles would be god tier. And by battles I'm not talking about that uber gay Nanoha battle from the Touhou fanime. Nor am I talking about the nonchalant battles of SSiB. If SSiB was made into an anime it would be a comedy at best.

Unless there's blood, the viewers will never take the battles seriously.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:15:23 2010 No.5522285 >>5522238 Oni are amongst the strongest types, but not all of them are at Suika's level.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:15:23 2010 No.5522288 >>5522270 Nanoha battles have blood.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:16:23 2010 No.5522294 >for example if you destroy Remilia using ANYTHING(spiritual weapons, guns, roses) and there's a small bat that is a part of her living in the middle of nowhere she can regenerate fixed

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:17:23 2010 No.5522298 >>5522294 was that necessary?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:18:23 2010 No.5522307 >>5522263 Akyu's sources is hearsay, Cutejudge's source is Akyu, so double hearsay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:19:23 2010 No.5522317 >>5522298 Yes, You have been trying to escape the "immune to physical damage" discussion ever since >>5522132

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:19:23 2010 No.5522320 >>5522307 Derp derp derp derp

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:21:23 2010 No.5522334 File: 14 KB, 400x226, to_aru_majutsu_no_index_19_03.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If your youkai are struggling to escape extermination from humans, what makes you think they could defeat Accelerator?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:22:23 2010 No.5522341 File: 51 KB, 500x571, 1275373046472.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5522307 >Cutejudge's source is Akyu Wrong.

>>	Suigin !fKazami5bE Wed Jun 30 17:22:23 2010 No.5522347 >>5522317 i'm still waiting for the source of it

Anonymous of Austria Wed Jun 30 17:23:01 2010 No.5522348 [DELETED]

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>>5522307
Shikieiki's source is Udonge's herself.
Her mirror allows her to expose all of Udonge's past sins.
Do you really expect Shikieiki to ask Akyuu about all PoFV before lecturing them?
When Akyuu hasn't even heard about Udonge herself?

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:23:23 2010 No.5522350

>>5522307
Its might not necessarily be that Akyu is being a terrible scholar by accident. Remember she is in leagues with Keine and Yukari who are trying to keep the fragile balance in Gensyoko. So trying to keep the fear of youkai alive by exaggerating facts might help keeping Gensyoko from collapsing since the weakening or the downright genocide of Youkai would lead to its collapse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:24:23 2010 No.5522356 >>5522270 >uber gay Nanoha battle Say what? Nanoha has some of the best battles in the history of anime.

Anonymous of Austria Wed Jun 30 17:24:23 2010 No.5522357
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>>5522307
Shikieiki's source is Udonge's herself.
Her mirror allows her to expose all of Udonge's past sins.
Do you really expect Shikieiki to ask Akyuu about all PoFV player characters before lecturing them?
When Akyuu hasn't even heard about Udonge herself?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:24:23 2010 No.5522360 ZUN is such a shitty writer that some of his writing contradicts itself. Akyu is just a scapegoat he used so the fans wouldn't laugh at him whenever he contradicted his own canon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:26:23 2010 No.5522371 >>5522263 Well shit. My view on Touhou being grimdark proves to be correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:26:23 2010 No.5522376 >>5522371 Not really.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:26:23 2010 No.5522377 >>5522357 He was just joking. Take it easy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:26:23 2010 No.5522378 >>5522347 Specify your request.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:27:23 2010 No.5522380 >>5522356 I haven't watched it yet. I just assumed it was Cardcaptor Sakura clone #2355.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:28:23 2010 No.5522384 >>5522263 Except it's stated many times that she escaped before the war began for good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:29:23 2010 No.5522390 >>5522384 That's still abandoning your allies

>>	Anonymous of Austria Wed Jun 30 17:30:23 2010 No.5522396 >>5522384 I'm open for your many sources.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:30:23 2010 No.5522398

>>5522371
Eirin has killed before, and ZUN said by definition a youkai is only a youkai if they eat humans. If you've read the dialogue in the games, many youkai tell Reimu they want to kill/taste her. If SSiB was more grimdark I might have enjoyed that terrible battle arc it had.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:30:23 2010 No.5522400

From reading this thread its pretty clear the Akyu is exaggerating a shit load of details, which is kind of obvious since she says so herself. However, Yukari, Remilia, Suika, and some of the more prominent figures in Gensyoko have been shown to be unbelievable powerhouses by other sources of canon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:31:23 2010 No.5522404 Reisen did something bad. Big deal, so has everyone else of any significance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:31:23 2010 No.5522405 >>5522384 >>5522396 see: >>5522360

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:32:23 2010 No.5522409 >>5522380 I wish it was. Cardcaptor Sakura was awesome. Instead, it's magical girls for the shounen crowd.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:32:23 2010 No.5522414 >>5522404 You did not just imply that Cirno isn't signficant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:33:23 2010 No.5522424 >>5522414 You're right, I did not. She isn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:33:23 2010 No.5522432 >>5522404 No one is making a big deal of it. Not even the Yama, but since it's her habit to lecture people she went there and spanked Udongein a bit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:34:23 2010 No.5522438 >>5522414 Cirno killed frogs --> Killing frogs is bad --> Cirno is of ignificance

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:34:23 2010 No.5522440 >>5522263 Don't forget in SSiB that explains why the Lunar Defense Force is even in the current state. I think it was Yorihime that said that most of the original army was wiped out in the invasion so the recent force was mainly all new recruits.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:37:23 2010 No.5522463 >>5522438 Cirno was being an annoyance to many while flying around outside her territory and freezing shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:39:23 2010 No.5522476 >>5522409 Nanoha is seinen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:40:23 2010 No.5522487 >>5522380 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4wS4z8_4x4&feature=related

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:44:23 2010 No.5522518 >>5522476 Doesn't stop kiddies from liking it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:44:23 2010 No.5522520

The moon isn't exactly a secret. Somewhere, someone is looking at it right now.
How can you hide massive army movements on it? Someone would've noticed.

What if someone told misinterpreted Armstrong's walk as a 'human advance', and then that someone told Reisen that 'humans were advancing', causing Reisen to flee? That would make Cutejudge's words correct (as she and her mirror are incapable of lying, I presume) and still sticks to the 'official' story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:44:23 2010 No.5522521 >>5522440 LDC was never an army. It's the border guard. It's made of just a bit over a dozen of moon rabbits.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:45:23 2010 No.5522528 >>5520001 Unfortunaly for her, everyone else could use it to their advantages though.

Anonymous of Austria Wed Jun 30 17:47:23 2010 No.5522542
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>>5522440
I just reread this.

>"there aren't many left who took part in the last war"
>see picture
and
>"this girl will take over Reisen's jobs"
>said Yorihime to the other moon rabbits

This means that most of those rabbits participated in the last war since they know Reisen.
I also believe that they couldn't recruit many new moon rabbits because of the unrest in the moon capital.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:48:23 2010 No.5522549 >>5522518 So anything that could potentially be attractive to younger people is bad? That's quite a judgement.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:50:23 2010 No.5522561

>>5522520
Except in Kaguya's profile a emissary came and met up with the Eintei crew following Reisen's MIA. Its stated that there was a war, it was going bad for the Lunarians who were against the wall, Apollo's crew had better technology then the Lunarians thought they would carry, also the invasion didn't just end with the Apollo 11 landing as the USA would continue to do moon missions until the end of 1972.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:51:23 2010 No.5522566

>>5519696
Accelerator is just a (silver haired) shonen jump template. We've seen the "ultimate shield" archetype in various shows: Greed (Full Metal Alchemist), Byakuya (Bleach), and Gaara (Naruto). They are an evolution of the immortal/regenerator characters, such as: Piccolo/Cell/Buu (Dragonball Z), Albedo (Xenosaga), and Younger Toguro (YuYu Hakusho).

Yukari is truthfully in a league of her own because her powers and role in the plot are unique. We've seen Suika and Yuuka's powers before but we've never seen a character with the ability to manipulate boundaries. Nor have we ever seen a character with such power/influence playing the role of an anti-hero. Usually when you have characters in Yukari's position they're villains or Gods with egos. At first I assumed PMiSS must have been written by someone else. I never thought ZUN could create such a clever power. Now I will kindly save face by leaving to /a/ for sullying /jp/ with shonen jump speak.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:51:23 2010 No.5522570 >>5522542 It's possible that by the last war she mean the war with youkai, not some crappy "invasion" that was not a big threat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:52:23 2010 No.5522576 >>5522549 The sort of fans stuff like Nanoha and Negima attract? Yeah. That's a bad thing.

Anonymous of Austria Wed Jun 30 17:53:23 2010 No.5522582

>>5522520
>The moon isn't exactly a secret. Somewhere, someone is looking at it right now.
>How can you hide massive army movements on it? Someone would've noticed.
How can Gensokyo be hidden from the outside world? The moon capital is just like Gensokyo.

I don't know if it has been explained, but you know that always the same side of the moon faces Earth. The moon capital could be on the other side (and invisible).
You don't see the sea of Tranquility filled with real water or the peach trees from Earth.

>What if someone told misinterpreted Armstrong's walk as a 'human advance', and then that someone told Reisen that 'humans were advancing', causing Reisen to flee? That would make Cutejudge's words correct (as she and her mirror are incapable of lying, I presume) and still sticks to the 'official' story.
As you know, moon rabbits can communicate with each other over huge distances. Reisen knows what happened in the war because of what other rabbits told her. She keeps contact with them even now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:55:23 2010 No.5522598 File: 322 KB, 2500x1596, 1277827148121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5522380 Nanoha is the old style Gundam at it's best turned into mahou shojo. It's very different than CCS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:55:23 2010 No.5522602 >>5522576 Your opinion is completetly biased and based on no actual fact.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:57:23 2010 No.5522626 >>5522602 Fact: Middle schoolers like Nanoha. Go ask some Japanese; they'll confirm this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 17:59:23 2010 No.5522647 File: 24 KB, 513x700, 1277381776877.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5522576 Fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:01:23 2010 No.5522657 >>5522566 >anti-hero I applaud your thoughtfulness on the issue and I agree with your post in general, but this particular term... I don't want to start a pointless discussion about semantics, so let's just say it does not apply to Touhou, period.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:01:23 2010 No.5522659 >>5522561 In CoLA, some Lunarians said "maybe we should rethink about the Earthlings' rate of improvement" or something like that. All of the information they had on the humans was outdated before the Lunar war.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:02:23 2010 No.5522664

>>5522561
>Its stated that there was a war, it was going bad for the Lunarians who were against the wall, Apollo's crew had better technology then the Lunarians thought they would carry, also the invasion didn't just end with the Apollo 11 landing as the USA would continue to do moon missions until the end of 1972.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing#Manned_landings
>The human race has had a total of twelve people walk on the Moon.
All of them pilots. Military pilots, granted, but there's a walk from that to a fully trained soldier.
Also, 12 men in 4 years? Worst invasion ever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:02:23 2010 No.5522667 >>5522626 So what? You must be absolutely retarded if you judge things by their fanbase. Especially if it's just the minority of the fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:04:23 2010 No.5522681 >>5522664 This is what government wants you to believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:05:23 2010 No.5522686 >>5522667 When it comes to long-term appreciation, a decent fanbase is vital. Otherwise I'll just watch and move on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:05:23 2010 No.5522688 >>5522664 You know, they bombed the moon only recently. "to find water"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:06:23 2010 No.5522693 >>5522664 >Also, 12 men in 4 years? Worst invasion ever. The true numbers and scale of the invasion was most likely classified.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:07:23 2010 No.5522698 >>5522626 Fact: Middle-schoolers like Touhou. What was your point again?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:07:23 2010 No.5522699 >>5522664 Remember old Bond movies where they would send hundreds of guys with laser weapons into space? Most likely that's how the US invasion force looked like.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:08:23 2010 No.5522705 >>5522681 If we had the technology to send large numbers of people to the moon, we'd have done it by now. We don't, so we can't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:08:23 2010 No.5522706 >>5522698 You're right; Touhou also has a shit fanbase. This isn't news to anyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:10:23 2010 No.5522714 >>5522686 When I first watched Death Note I thought it was a masterpiece. Then it became mainstream. It's now just a 'good' anime in my opinion. I'm just as bad as you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:10:23 2010 No.5522717 >>5520886 Ichirin? someone should shop Unzan in there...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:11:23 2010 No.5522721 >>5522705 Ignorance is bliss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:11:23 2010 No.5522726 >>5522706 There's a portion of shit in every fanbase. Unfortunately, sometimes they are the most vocal, giving the impression that the entire fanbase is shit. Another thing: a fanbase being shit doesn't make the thing they are fans of shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:13:23 2010 No.5522739 >>5522706 And yet you keep coming here to talk about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:14:23 2010 No.5522742 File: 754 KB, 800x683, 11188879.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5522717 Buddhist. Buddhist. Not Muslim. Buddhist.

Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:17:23 2010 No.5522757

>>5522705
That's only because of the various anti-space warfare treaties we've been trying to sign into law, since the cold war. If there was an alternate universe where we didn't care about nuclear winters we would have ICBMs that could piggyback-ride comets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:19:23 2010 No.5522767 >305 posts and 44 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view. Why do powerlevel threads such as this always garner the most traffic? Are /jp/ers tsundere for these threads?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 18:21:23 2010 No.5522780 >>5522742 I know, I know but you cant deny the resemblance

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On average, youkai are physically stronger and smarter than humans but with the correct amount of training a human can exorcise a youkai. In such battles it would not come down to their powers but their brains. If a human catches a youkai in a trap or finds out a way to negate the youkai's existence by exorcising the youkai's origin, the human will be the victor. On the other hand, if a human attempts to fight a youkai without a plan, said human wont stand a chance in direct (hand-to-hand) combat.

/thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 30 19:19:23 2010 No.5523217 >>5522566 I agree with most of your post, Yukari has a lot in common with some Eldritch Horrors though.

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