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5446831 No.5446831 [Reply] [Original]

I know why you guys like PCB so much.
Its because it's one of the easiest games ZUN has ever made.
I can 1cc it having never even played it before. The spellcards are a joke, the bosses are uninteresting, and the random "supernatural border" means that you never actually have to bomb when you get in trouble.
Plus the only real hard boss in the game (Youmu) slows down time whenever she does a new wave of bullets so you have like 3 seconds to figure out how to get through.
This game fucking sucks, I'm going back to SA/UFO.

>> No.5446845

Oh, that hurts.

>> No.5446844
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/jp/ - My first troll

>> No.5446854

Hey OP, OP~
If the border is random, how does it always show up when you need to bomb~?

>> No.5446864

But IN is easier.

>> No.5446865

>>5446854
I have no idea how the border works.
Sometimes I get it when there are no enemies on screen and sometimes it shows up right when there are fucktons of bullets.
Tell me how it works and maybe I'll give you that point, but it's still way too easy.

>> No.5446870

>it's one of the easiest games ZUN has ever made.
Have you played Imperishable Night or Lotus Land Story yet?

>> No.5446878

I cant 3CC PCB on easy using 5 lives
It makes me feel like a casual, and I consider suicide because of it

>> No.5446879

IN/PCB/MoF are too easy
UFO has the UFO catching faggotry
EoSD/SA all the way

>> No.5446885

>>5446831

Sounds like someone hasn't played the extra stage or Phantasm.

PROTIP: 1CC-ing easy mode doesn't count.

>> No.5446886

>>5446870
I have, and if I recall, it doesn't have any pussy mechanics like the ones I mentioned (supernatural border, time slow)
>>5446878
I'm sorry but I'm pretty bad at touhou games in general (dont usually play above normal) and I got through stage 4 with no lives lost.
Maybe you should get a controller to play.

>> No.5446889

>>5446865

You get it when you have 50,000 cherry points from shooting and/or picking up those pink boxes.

Also, this >>5446870

>> No.5446890

I like it because of the scoring system.

>> No.5446893
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>>5446865
Nyoro~n

>> No.5446909

>>5446889
I have, and how is that any better than being random? Do you just go "oh, well the next spellcard is gonna be hard, and I have 48000 cherry points, I'll just stop shooting and let this card time out, so I get it for the next card"?

>> No.5446911

>>5446886
>bitching about time slow

It's hardly something unique to Youmu you know.

>IN doesn't have pussy mechanics

Yeah, apart from that huge ass death bombing window.

I bet you're a Sakuya player, aren't you OP? Maybe if you used someone who wasn't pathetically easy to use you'd find yourself challenged.

>> No.5446919
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5446919

PCB has one of the hardest Lunatics in the series, behind SA, MS, and maybe UFO. Hard and under is piss easy though.

>> No.5446938

>>5446911
That's a good point. Are you using Sakuya...um...A, I think? She's like homing Reimu without the pathetic damage, with a side of supernatural border fucking everywhere.

>> No.5446950

troll but for me the easiest was the 6

>> No.5446944

>>5446911
Marissa A actually.
I don't like characters with homing shots, they seem too weak. And Yuyuko's cards let you hit her from any point on the stage, so there's no real point.

>> No.5446974

I'd play PCB more if stage 4 wasn't so long and boring.

>> No.5446978

Why don't you guys play good shootan games, like Gradius 3?

>> No.5446980

>>5446944
>Yuyuko's cards let you hit her from any point on the stage
Eh? Really? You can shoot the fan or something?

>>5446950
You bastard ;_;

>> No.5447002 [DELETED] 

>>5446980
>Eh? Really? You can shoot the fan or something?

How did you not notice this before now?

>> No.5446998

>>5446980
Yes but it does only half damage. Same with Mokou's wings.

If I recall, the laser Marisa can stack damage on Yuyuko since she hits both fan and Yuyuko herself due to laser penetration.

>> No.5447022

>>5446998
I never noticed that...probably because I use homing Reimu.
Still helpful, though. Thanks, anon.

>> No.5447026

I 1CCd (normal) IN after only a few tries pretty early on in playing the series. PCB took like 20-30 tries, as did EoSD and MoF. Still haven't 1CCd SA or UFO.

So yes, the old games are easier (on normal). But at the same time, I find them more fun. Not because of difficult, but more that theres something missing in the newer games. SA had that stupid power based bombing system, and UFO had that really distracting UFO mechanic (which I did admittedly milk for bombs and lives, so I don't know what my excuse is there)

Of course, if I bombed more efficiently, I'm pretty sure UFO would be one of the easier in the series, cause I max out lives and bombs every time I play (right before I get brutally raped)

>> No.5447076

>>5446978
I was just playing Gradius Gaiden, does that count? I just wish Jade Knight had some way to kill bosses without taking a year.

>> No.5447091

>>5447026
>SA had that stupid power based bombing system
The bombing system itself is not worse than MoFs.

However, together with the extend/life system, it rewards bombing through spellcards instead of clearing them. (because bombing them gives you lifes, trying to dodge them gives you deaths)

>> No.5447114

>>5447022
Use homing Sakuya, game becomes a big joke.

Getting used to new characters in PCB sucks though. My friend swears MarisaA is the best, I'm a SakuyaA person. One day we switched characters, we both got wrecked immediately.

>> No.5447116

Wait, the fan takes damage? I saw the bullets hitting it, but I didn't know they were actually hitting.

...now I feel like a chump for getting hit while trying to stay in front of Yuyuko.

>> No.5447126

>>5446919
Seriously? I thought it was the easiest except for MOF. Stage 4 can be annoying and Yuyuko is normal lunatic difficulty, but the rest of it is kind of a joke. Youmu is like Kanako in that shes harder on normal mode than lunatic.

>> No.5447128

How is sakuya overpowered exactly? aside from the homing bullets (which is really not even that big a crutch).

>> No.5447129

>>5447091
>it rewards bombing through spellcards instead of clearing them. (because bombing them gives you lifes, trying to dodge them gives you deaths)

That's kind of how every Touhou game works. If you're about to get hit, you bomb.

>> No.5447152

>>5447128
4 bombs. In PCB any bomb save SakuyaB is pretty much a free card bypass.

You really can't lose with what, 13 lives with 4 bombs each plus the borders?

>> No.5447164

>>5447129
>If you're about to get hit, you bomb.

Take out the "If you're about to get hit" part and you have SA.
There's no reason to even try Orin's last spellcards because you get your power back immediately afterwards in stage 6.

>> No.5447168

>>5446978

Most shooters are good. Any divergence within is mostly personal taste. My tastes tend toward Touhou, but when I was younger Raiden II was where it was at for me. I'm still always overjoyed to see it in an arcade or restaurant.

>> No.5447174

>>5447152

This.

Though as I recall, I actually never 1CCd the game with her. I ended up winning with ReimuB, I think.

>> No.5447176

I don't know if this troll is copypasta or not.

I'm better than average at video games in general, but I'm over 25, and my twitchy and shmup skills peaked when I was under 20. Still, I'm pretty good.

I've only played PCB about twenty times, but I haven't gotten close to the ending, even on Normal level.

Prior to PCB, the last shmup I played through was Area 88/UN Squadron a few years ago.

For me, PCB is plenty hard enough, and when /jp/ suggests it as the gateway game to the rest, it makes sense.

If there's an easier one that I can install...

>> No.5447191

>>5447176

Easiest is probably IN. My friend 1CCd it on easy his first time and he had never even seen a touhou game, and did not play shooters. On normal, its substantially harder than that, but still pretty damn easy.

>> No.5447197

I don't like how the cherry system is so complex.
In MoF, the faith meter is directly tied to lives/points. Keeping your faith high is a given.
But the cherry meter, I don't know how to time activation of border, what cherry max does, how to change the max, if I have to be shooting focused/unfocused in a spellcard/non spellcard to get maximum benefit, whether its worth it to bomb or not, or sacrifice a life. It's really dumb and confusing.

>> No.5447201

>>5447114
But see, I don't want to be cheap.
I also hate Sakuya. So...

>> No.5447204

>>5447191

MoF is easier, both on Normal and Easy. The first time I played MoF on easy, I got through 5 out of 6 stages without dying or bombing -- and at that time I was incapable of even 1CCing a Touhou game on normal.

>> No.5447217

>>5447191
IN deathbomb times will soften you, though.

>>5447197
Scoring in MoF requires deathbombing half of the game. Sort of assholish, if you ask me.

>> No.5447225

>>5447197

Its actually pretty easy. Cherry points go up as you get cherry items and attack. Each time you get a supernatural boarder it increases the cherry point max. I heard that non-focused grazing during the boarder increases the amount you get even more.

PCB does heavily punish bombing and dying, score wise, as it reduces the Cherry point max.

Of course, this is all from memory, so someone who has it fresh in their mind can correct me.

>> No.5447237

MoF is not "easier" by any stretch of the imagination, and yes I know you will think I'm trolling.
Sanae, Aya, and Kanako have very hard cards even in easymodo, with Kanako having the survival card that ends most peoples 1cc's.

>> No.5447240

>>5447204

MOF is actually the game I had the hardest time with, believe it or not. I 1CCd all the games previously before I finally beat it, despite playing MoF more or less first.

This includes some of the PC98 games, by the way.

>> No.5447265

>>5447237
MoF's difficulty is all fucked up. Aya is as hard as some of the end bosses, but Sanae is easy, and Kanako only really has 2 or 3 threatening cards, but those 2 or 3 that are hard are FUCKIN BULLSHIT.

>> No.5447281

>he cares about score

>> No.5447292

>>5447265
I never got this. I can't 1CC anything, and the few times I get to Aya, I breeze through her, save her last card. What do people find so difficult about her?
...I'm talking about normal, fyi.

>> No.5447348

I always feel like the oddball, having SA+EX cleared first (of all games), and having only recently 1CC'd PCB.

Something about PCBs bad bulletspam-shitstorm cards kept me discouraged, in addition to the WAY too long 4th stage.

>> No.5447365

>>5447265

Wow man, I usually have to bomb every single of Sanaes nonspells, and I am a person that absolutely HATES to bomb. But Aya? Aya is easy, if not even pathetic.

>> No.5447376

>>5447348
PCB is retardedly hard on easier modes, but doesn't scale up much. No wonder the clusterfucks scared you, they're present in every difficulty.

>> No.5447408

>>5447292
I think it's really just fatigue from the stage itself (hardest one in the game in my opinion and took the most time to practice for me).

>> No.5447421

Well, I've played EoSD, PCB, IN and MoF so far...

I thought PCB was pretty hard because you don't have a problem until lvl4 and suddenly it gets really hard.. especially Youmu's non spellcards...

Still,IN is the easiest by far, huge deathbombing window for border team is simply overpowered..


But the thing that bothers me most is MoF.. I already 1CC'd it, but after IN I can't get used to it.. not one bit. I don't know what's so different besides the deathbombing that seems almost nonexistent but I screw up all the time while thinking that nothing should happen to me where I move to or where my position is so it's really fucking irritating

>> No.5447427

>>5447408
I like how hardest parts of MoF aren't spellcards, but Stage 4's shitstorm after Momizi and Kanako's eyerape opener.

Virtue is nothing compared to those two.

>> No.5447462

I still can't perfect stage 4. So many parts where a simple mistake can fuck you up.
Then there's the prisimrivers...

>> No.5447496

The only games I haven't 1cc'd are EoSD, MoF, and UFO.

>> No.5447522

>>5447496
EoSD because I generally don't play the game (too old)
MoF because of Kanako's survival card
UFO because of the tentacle lasers in stage 6
Actually I might have 1cc'd UFO but I think that was because I got REALLY lucky on stage 5 (which is where I usually get game over).

>> No.5447614

I haven't 1cc'd a single Touhou game.
I've got damn close in EoSD but I keep wasting bombs by dying.

>> No.5447624

From this thread it looks like difficult is really depends on the player/scoring system in the game.
Also...
>>5447427
Ugh...I hate Kanako's first non-spell. Everything else I can breeze through except maybe 1-3 lives on her final spellcard if I mess up, but that non-spell always ends in a death or a bomb.

>> No.5447644

But Youmu rapes me every time on Stage 5 Hard ;_;

>> No.5448017

can't get past red magic to finally one cc my first touhou game

feels bad man

>> No.5448087

Not bothering to read the thread, but PCB is by far the hardest Touhou game for me; playing it on Easy after trying EoSD almost made me drop Touhou completely. Ended up 1cc'ing EoSD Normal then skipped PCB for IN before I even went back and 1cc'ed PCB Easy.

At this point PCB Easy is a joke, but I can still only 1cc Normal by using SakuyaA and spamming bombs all through Youmu and Yuyuko.

UFO is pretty bullshit though just because of the huge power loss from dying that just results in chaindeaths (mainly against Byakuren, especially on her fucking last spellcard). I can easily reach Shou with max lives then end up losing.

>> No.5448467

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=6930

Even still, SakuyaA is a terrible shot type.

>> No.5448493

>>5448467
Is that one of those "I'll bomb every card am I cool yet" replays?

I do those all the time on Lunatic because frantic bombing is the best I can do. PCB gives you so many lives that I still get a 1cc out of it.

>> No.5448528
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Game mechanics aside.

Is it not possible to have a favorite game because of the characters introduced and the music? Granted MoF has my favorite soundtracks of all the games, but PCB has most of my favorite characters in it.

Also i'd like to nominate MoF as easiest, might just be me.

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