WHY REMEMBERING THE KANJI SUCKS

[Pestilence !!ZL7HY8U8gii No.]

1.You waste time memorizing silly mnemonics.

2. You waste time remembering kanji "primitives" that are completely made up.

3. All the repetition you do could have been better spent repeating vocabulary instead.

4. Heisig's order of learning kanji is stupid. You learn difficult ones too fast, and save needed ones for last.

5. The best way to learn Japanese kanji is to use them in context. So learn lots of words and they will come to you.

6. Japanese is better learned studying all aspects concurrently. Focusing on one bit (kanji meanings) will automatically lead to neglect of the rest. Grammar, conversation, reading, writing, kanji etc. all hangs together.

7. Silly stories in your head is a waste of effort in learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Agreed, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

why doesn't RTK teach the readings? only in the second or third book, what the hell is that

[Anonymous No.]

You have to know the kanji before you can read Japanese. Heisig's method is the most efficient method for memorizing the kanji that I've found.

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thanks for informing us op, very interesting.

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4chan should write a better book. If the Japanese can have their moe English books, we deserve moe Japanese-learning books.

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THE OBJECTIVE IS TO LEARN THE KANJIS. THERE ARE MANY OF THEM.

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>>5394195
This is a pretty obvious troll thread

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>>5394195
So let's say you know what 果汁 means from keywords but can't read it. How's that any good? You're really going to look up every word for their readings?

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>>5394181

It very specifically states that the purpose of the book is to help you REMEMBER the Kanji, and THEN learn how to read and pronounce them

I'm really not sure if this thread is just a troll thread or not

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>>5394202
>KANJIS

[Anonymous No.]

Pasta.

[Anonymous No.]

You think RTK is shitty? Read Remembering the Kana.

[Pestilence !!ZL7HY8U8gii No.]

Oh, and not to mention how Heisig likes to attach only ONE keyword that doesn't even necessarily correspond the right meaning. For example, 「促」 means "stimulate" according to Heisig. Really? Too bad it's never used in that context.

But the the objective is to learn the kanji, right? Well, good luck with relearning the meaning and reading of the kanji just because RTK is incompetent. I really feel sorry for people who started their kanji study with Heisig.

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>1.You waste time memorizing silly mnemonics.
They're supposed to save time compared to rote memorization.

>2. You waste time remembering kanji "primitives" that are completely made up.
That might be true, but they serve as a useful tool to remember and reconstruct kanji from memory.

>3. All the repetition you do could have been better spent repeating vocabulary instead.
Debatable. Most vocab is written using kanji so the person using RTK will have advantages. Though, if you just start out and go straight for vocab you will be farther in than the guy who did RTK, but he will probably learn faster and catch up.

>4. Heisig's order of learning kanji is stupid. You learn difficult ones too fast, and save needed ones for last.
It's ordered in a way that is easy to learn. That's a feature. RTK is for people who want to learn all the jouyou kanji plus a hand full of others in one go.

>5. The best way to learn Japanese kanji is to use them in context. So learn lots of words and they will come to you.
Kanji can be highly confusing. Remembering how it looks like (or how to write it), what it means, how it's read in that word all at once is more difficult than learning all that separately. Divide and conquer.

>6. Japanese is better learned studying all aspects concurrently. Focusing on one bit (kanji meanings) will automatically lead to neglect of the rest. Grammar, conversation, reading, writing, kanji etc. all hangs together.
Of course, but RTK only takes 3-6 months to complete so it's hardly dominating studies.

>7. Silly stories in your head is a waste of effort in learning Japanese.
RTK isn't even really about "stories", but more like images or scenes in your mind.

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IT SUCKS

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>>5394219
How else do you learn words but looking them up in a dictionary?
Sure, by context might work if you're good but you will always have to check the standard readings for exceptions or irregularities for every new word you want to learn.

>>5394290
They're keywords, not dictionary entries. But most entries are quite fitting even if just in a broad sense.

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The problem with Heisig is that his keywords suck ass. No readings is pretty lol too. It's for people who don't want to man up and really grind kanji, so they find the least demanding method of studying on the market and cling to it for dear life.

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The only people who defend RTK are children who think they can take a shortcut in learning a new language.

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>>5394349

>私 MEANS WATASHI. I WROTE IT FIVE HUNDRED MILLION TIMES UNTIL I SAW IT ON THE INSIDES OF MY EYELIDS, AND THEN REPEATED THE SAME THING TO LEARN ALL MY OTHER KANJI. FUCK YOU FOR TRYING TO LEARN THE LANGUAGE IN A SMARTER WAY

Uh okay

Also, you realize the second book has all the readings, right?

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>>5394343
>They're keywords, not dictionary entries. But most entries are quite fitting even if just in a broad sense.

Sure, http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1D

Of all those good words that bear broader meanings when that kanji is associated with certain compound words, he chose the shittiest one? This is just the tip of the iceberg, dude.

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>>5394379
It's just an alternative learning method, not a shortcut, but if you like assumptions so much; people badmouth RTK because they're buttmad for sucking at it.

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>>5394343
>They're keywords, not dictionary entries. But most entries are quite fitting even if just in a broad sense.

Sure, http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1D

Of all those good words that bear broader meanings when that kanji is associated with certain compound words, he chose the shittiest one? This is just the tip of the iceberg, dude.

>>5394388
Too bad the second book is even shittier.

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>>5394403
Well link is fucked up but put your cursor over 促 if you have rikaichan and you'll see.

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>>5394400
Not learning any readings and thinking you're hot shit because you can learn 200 kanji a day is pretty much a "shortcut" in my eyes. RTK is shit and you know it.

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>>5394388
Instead of writing it five million times, you could read it five million times. The best way to put kanji into your long term memory is to start reading, even if you're reading children's books and have to hit the dictionary every other word. Seeing how a word is ACTUALLY USED is far more valuable than memorizing a definition, especially with a language like Japanese where there often aren't 1:1 translations.

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>>5394423
>thinking you're hot shit
Someone's frustrated.
Also, who said I can't look up for the readings myself after learning the writing of each Kanji? It seems pretty effective to me.

[Pestilence !!ZL7HY8U8gii No.]

Just did a fast googling

http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=1312

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>>5394415
It says "stimulate" for me.

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I have yet to find a learning method that makes it possible for people who are not visually oriented to remember Kanji characters. This book is useless in that regard as well. The only way you can learn Kanji is if you have photographic memory. If you don't, just give up, because it is impossible for you to learn them.

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I will admit though that RTK is good for people who want to write from memory and already know the kanji.

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>>5394467
So every Japanese or Chinese person has a photographic memory?

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>>5394483
It's called integration and writing the same character 10 000 times during one's life.

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>>5394467
>Photographic memory
AHAHA no. You obviously never tried learning kanji if you think that.

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>>5394483
You know how obsessed they are with taking pictures? That's because they are constantly 'training' their memory. They look at something, take a picture and then try to see if they memorized it right when they get back from vacation. They hardly even realize they do it, to them it just comes as naturally as breathing does for us.

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>>5394513
Not sure if trolling.

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>>5394441
This. After playing a lot of eroge in Japanese I was surprised when I started sight reading stuff I hadn't even realized I had learned. I still write down kanji, but only enough to where I have the stroke order down, because that seems to help me remember a lot.

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>>5394483
They're obviously racially superior to filthy gaijin.

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[Pestilence !!ZL7HY8U8gii No.]

So to summarize this thread: avoid RTK at all cost because it fucking sucks. Even this method is better >>5394348

Have a good evening :3

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I didn't really use RTK because it's easier just to memorize kanji as you see them and I have no use for writing. But in terms of writing kanji, RTK seems like a good method. I can't write for shit but I can read at an advanced level.

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Is there a torrent of Japanese children's books anywhere? I would like to read some. Assuming they have pretty pictures.

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Good job OP. I bet you made few people piss their pants and rethink whether they should continue RTK or not. Good laughs were had, 8/10.

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>>5394441
RTK doesn't teach you any definitions. It doesn't even include words except to demonstrate readings in the second book.
It says so right in the introduction. Learning that is not part of RTK but your own job.

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>>5394551

Truly skilled trolls don't have to bump their own threads, you know

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>>5394467
Heisig's teachers also thought that Heisig himself had a photographic memory that you were describing.
You guys really fail if you don't know what "Remembering" means.

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I learn kanji from playing eroges.
In 射精, you have "shoot" and "semen". Then in 精液, you have "semen" and "fluid". Simple!

我慢汁 has 我慢 which is "endurance", and 汁 for "juice". So let's put 汁 and 液 together, and we have 汁液, which is "juice"! Simple!

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>>5394467
Tactile: Write kanji
Aural: Read kanji out loud

This is not difficult.

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RTK is a good start because it is easy due to i+1 and stories, and helps break the kanji barrier.

Just knowing the kanji can help you read many things. You will recognize 地下鉄 and it will make total sense.

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Is it better to learn words, and then just memorize the kanji used for that word; or is it better to just learn a ton of kanji, and then try to figure out what words are by those?

Personally, I think the first one is a better way. At least when you come across a word that you don't know, you can think about words that you do know and might have the same kanji in them.

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How is it even possible to learn kanji without words? So silly.

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>>5394747
How is it even possible to learn the alphabets without words?
Actually, you would probably learn some words as a side effect during RTK.

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>>5394768
That's not an appropriate analogy at all.

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>>5394768
Letters don't have that many readings. And iirc you get taught the readings with words like cat and cape anyway.

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If some negro with a blog can learn japanese off the bedrock of RTK it's fine. End of.

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Did any of you ever heard of furigana? That's what I thought.

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>>5394789
>>5394807
But kanji by themselves aren't words (most of the time).
They're just used to write words by combining them with other kanji or some hiragana.
In Chinese they might (maybe?) be considered words, or representing words as they only have one pronunciation but certainly not in Japanese.

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>>5394877
One reading? Does that mean Chinese is easier to read than Japanese?

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>5. The best way to learn Japanese kanji is to use them in context. So learn lots of words and they will come to you.

That's where you screwed up, OP.

How are you supposed to look up new compounds if you don't know the constituent kanji? I'll be waiting for your answer.

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>>5394932
You've never heard of radical search?

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>>5394946
Then you have to know the radicals. Many of which are themselves kanji.

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>>5394946

You're kidding, right? That method is slow and excruciating. You're not going to be able to type them anyway without knowing at least one reading.

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>>5394971
no you don't http://kanji.sljfaq.org/mr.html

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>>5394971
>>5394974

You don't have to know shit, although the number of strokes helps.

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>>5394989

Enjoy your slow and haphazard copy and paste study method. I'll enjoy being able to type out a word I don't know in a few seconds.

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>>5395002

Enjoying having exerted futile effort toward "knowing" thousands of words you can't read or pronounce.

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>>5395010

What are you talking about? I'm talking about knowing kanji before you learn words.

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>>5395002
how can you type out the word when RTK doesn't even teach you the readings in the first book? oh and by the way, most people here play eroge using AGTH (you can just copypaste whatever you want using that).

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>>5394877
They're still very different from an alphabet and you know it.

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IME

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>>5395017

True, you have to learn the readings simultaneously. Good thing RTK never said you couldn't do that.

And what happens if the word is in an image or a book? Then you're shit out of luck.

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>>5394907
I don't know enough about Chinese but that seems to be the case. They do however use more characters in regular writing than the Japanese.

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I learned porn kanji with radical search. Good times.

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>>5395035
>And what happens if the word is in an image or a book? Then you're shit out of luck.

What? Why are you ruling out my potentiality to read the kanji/compound word's reading in the first place? It's RTK that severely limits this. As for pictures, radical search is the best method if you don't know how to read it.

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>>5395035
>And what happens if the word is in an image or a book?

You search the radicals. Weighted against the burden of trying to cram the entire writing system in your head in advance of reading anything, that would be the sensible approach.

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If you're not learning the 3 things (grammar, vocabulary and kanji) at the same time, you're an idiot.

Genki + Anki > RTK

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>>5394981
>>5394989
What is your point? I know what radical search is. It won't be very helpful if you don't know all the radicals and can recognize them by sight. Even number of strokes won't help you look up anything if you don't know the radicals. Are you just trying to blindly compare them with what's in front of you? That's insanely tedious and turns out wrong half of the time.

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For some reason I love kanji alot and I can remember a kanji after writing it 3 or 5 times depending on how complex it is.

aspergers, fuck yea.

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>>5395035
>And what happens if the word is in an image or a book?
Ever heard of OCR

Protip: every manga/doujin/light novel translator under the sun uses it, except for the real God-tier ones who are totally fluent.

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>>5395078
>What is your point? I know what radical search is. It won't be very helpful if you don't know all the radicals and can recognize them by sight.

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>>5395087
Problem Bribri? It's just the truth.

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>>5395085
What OCR program is good?

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>>5394349
>>5394379
Pretty much this.

>>5394467
>The only way you can learn Kanji is if you have photographic memory. If you don't, just give up, because it is impossible for you to learn them.
HAHA, OH WOW. Get the fuck out you retard, kanji aren't even hard. Anyone can learn them if they work for it the whole way instead of trying to make shortcuts and screwing themselves over in the process. Don't make bullshit excuses then blame it on "memory" not being photographic enough. Blame it on yourself and other Heisig users who think they can learn a pictographic language by making up STORIES in their heads. Yes, making up stories is better than writing it down five times, learning the pronunciation and meaning, and reading it in a sentence or two then having it ingrained well in your head. Context makes this language click.

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>>5395078
Yeah, it's tedious, but it's really not difficult to use radical search without knowing a bit of Japanese.

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>>5395095
the problem is your half-assed explanation. I started learning kanji through context and using radical searching for kanji that didn't have furigana etc. With time it grew on me and I got accustomed to the radicals.

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>>5395078

You don't need to know all the radicals and figuring the constituent parts of most kanji is especially obvious. Comparing them blindly works well, too, and in any case, in doing that you'll learn to visually distinguish the 214 radicals (which are kanji themselves) much faster than you will the main ~3000 kanji in general use in Japan.

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If you aren't going to write down kanji, looking them up with radical search using all their radicals is the next best thing.

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>>5395152

Two or three is usually more than enough to narrow them down.

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>>5395155
Yeah, but using all of them helps you remember the kanji better. Which is the point of writing it down.

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>>5395062
>>5395061

No, the sensible approach is already knowing the kanji + reading in the first place.

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>>5395182
>the sensible approach to learning the readings of kanji is already knowing them.

I understand.

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>>5395182
Yeah, I should just forget trying to read porn and grind kanji for a month or two. Totally sensible.

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>>5395205
私は分かります。

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>>5395212
私が分かります。

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>>5395212
>分
I learned this kanji from playing eroges, so I was able to understand what you said without relying on Perapera-kun. Eroges are the best way to learn Japanese.

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>>5395212
>私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は私は
私は私は私は私は私は

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>>5395212
>私は

Stop that.

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>>5395226
僕へ分かる。

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The best way to learn kanji is to know everything about them instantly with no effort using my, at best, vaguely-alluded method that is better than yours.

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>>5395210
>>5395205

You learn them at the same.

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>>5395232

Not really. You're not gonna be able to read shit until you already have a basic understanding.

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>>5395212
WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI WATASI

stop that

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>>5395212
Watashi wa nippon daisuki, watashi wa samurai suki!

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>>5395248
But the basic grammar is easy.

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>>5395262
most eroge don't have entry level grammar though.

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>>5395262
It is not. I can read quite a few kanji but still have trouble reading all but the most basic sentences.

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Yeah Yeah watashi wa agree with some of anata ;PPP and watakushi wa hontoni think that you are great master of the japanese ;:PP watashi wa mo heisig is very good to omou :PP

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>>5395250
Hey, this reminds me. What's the rule of thumb for romaji? I'd imagine you use the "ta chi tsu te to" type system when writing for foreigners and "ta ti tu te to" type system when writing for Japanese people.

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>>5395299
lol

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>>5395307
My input system doesn't accept 'chya' but it accepts 'cha'.
That's all I know.

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>>5395264
A lot of them are pretty simple and mostly dialogue.

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クソ外人を殺しながら、日本語を勉強する。

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>>5395317
>chya
ಠ_ಠ That isn't nihonshiki
I think you mean cya

[Anonymous No.]

kyou wa ii tenki desuuu ne?

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>>5395317
Why would you even use romaji input? Type in kana input like a man.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got a nice conjugation chart? I'd like to print one out and look at it every day.

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>>5395338
tia: ちあ
tya:ちゃ
cya:cや
cha:ちゃ
chya:chや

Nope

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日本語おｋ

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>>5395359
Because I don't have a Japanese keyboard.

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>>5395373
Jesus christ.

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HEY KISAMAS,

WATASHI NO NAMAE WA ANANIMASU OFFU KAKUSU TO WATASHI WA KIRAI EVERY SINGLE ONE OF ANATA. ALL OF ANATA ARE FAT, BAKA BAKA NO-LIFES WHO SPEND EVERY SECOND OF MAINICHI MITEIRUING AT BAKA PICTURES. ANATA WA SUBETE THAT IS WARUI IN THE SEKAI. HONTO NI, HAVE ANY OF ANATA EVER GOTTEN ANY NEKO? I MEAN, WATASHI GUESS IT'S TANOSHI MAKING FUN OF HITOS BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN UNKAWAIINESS, BUT MINNA TAKE IT TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL. KORE WA WORSE THAN ONANI-ING TO PICTURES ON HESUBUUKU.

SHIRANAI HITO JA NAI DESHO? JUST HIT WATASHI AND BE SURE TO GANBARIMASU. WATASHI WA PRETTY MUCH PAAFEKUTO. WATASHI WAS AMERIKAN FUTBORU NO CAPTAIN, TO WATASHI WAS HAJIMASHTATER ON WATASHI NO BASUKETOBOORU TEAM. DONNA SUPOTSU DO ANATA ASANBOU, OTHER THAN "ONANI TO NAKED DRAWN NIPPONJIN"? WATASHI MO GET HOMO JA NAI A'S, TO WATASHI HAS A BANGING KAWAII SHOJO (KANOJO WA BLOWJOB WO SHIMASHITA; KUSO WA HONTO NI CASH.) ANATA WA ALL KISAMAS DARE SHOULD JUST KOROSU THEMSELVES. DOMO ARIGATOU GOZAIMASU FOR LISTENING.

(SONO PIC WA RELATED DESU, ARE WA WATASHI TO WATASHI NO ONNA)

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>>5395373
Neither do I.

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>>5395375
1/10 too obvious

Avoid things like "a real man"; and don't attack from nowhere without an apparent reason.

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>>5395390
Romaji input is shit and there is no reason to use it.

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>>5395366
My IME (google ime) accepts cya.
>>5395359
Why would anyone do that? Not even the Japanese use kana input. Typing things like 日本語でおｋ, （ｒｙ, ｗｗｗ, etc would be more effort with kana input.

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>>5394157

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>>5395392
I believe that Japanese keyboards have a button to switch between kana and romaji, and that the romaji and kana share keys; but, it's probably just as fast to input romaji unless you're some insane mother fucker that can type Japanese at 100wpm and gracefully choose kanji from that menu.

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>>5395392
>（ｒｙ
What does that mean? I'm terrible at Japanese net jargon.

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>>5395481
(略)
SUPPORT JAST USA'S LOCAL(ry

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After having done memorization for about three years now on and off, I find my retention of writing ability is much better for the ones I have learned through RTK. For reading, I suppose it's really not necessary, but I can't count the number of times I have gone to write a character to find that in my head it's just a jumble of lines in the right position, and I can't recall the proper radical. This makes it far more salient.

Also, the whole process only takes about 3 months, especially if you leave out book 2, which gives you a framework where you can remember words by their etymological makeup, rather than by memorization alone. I'd gladly sacrifice the 3 months of time for something that is much more likely to remain with me and allow me to better memorize future vocabulary. Learning characters in tandem certainly works, but it's more prone to the faults of general memory than RTK is.

sage only to avoid bumping the myriad trolls

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Real men learn Japanese from reading Japanese newspapers.

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>>5395529
上げますよー

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>>5395562
This "real men" sounds like a rare species.

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bump

[Anonymous No.]

Before I read the other posts in this thread, I will respond to the troll for the benefit of anyone taking him seriously.

>>5394160
Each one is a generalization based on a Japanese learning myth with a suggested hangup you should have about it.

1. Silliness is irrelevant. Learning kanji is not a waste of time.

2. Learning Japanese is going to take a lot of time. You're the one wasting time by obsessing over the efficiency of your learning. You hate Japanese. If you liked it, you would enjoy spending more time on it. In fact the more time you spend on Japanese, the more you will know it.

3. Learning kanji is not a waste of time. Kanji, vocabulary, and grammar reinforce each other. Kanji meanings are incorporated into the language. Like English or any other language, reading is all about learning new words and knowing kanji enables you to learn new words. You're suggesting ignorance. You want to learn Japanese overnight so you can say you conquered that Jap shit and it aint shit. You hate the learning of Japanese and that's why you will fail.

4. None of the kanji are hard. Heisig's book disproves that. There's no ranking of difficulty levels for anything in the Japanese language. There are no barriers to learning. You're free to learn whatever you want whenever you want.

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Why do any of you care about writing them. Seriously. Are you planning to go to Japan and actually live there?

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5. Magical absorption is not what learning is. No one method is the way to learn Japanese. "In context" of what? Again you imply that kanji are hard and that there's a barrier preventing you from learning them, so you're hoping they will be magically absorbed somehow.

6. Implying that there's an imaginary barrier that keeps you from looking at kanji other than in RtK1. Using the rediculous interpretation of what Heisig said to mean that you can't do anything else but learn kanji. That's not what he meant. He said that it won't work to incorporate other things into the method. Obviously you are going to want to study Japanese in other ways while learning kanji in RtK1 and yes you can look up kanji and learn readings and you should write them more than once.

7. The same fallacy you used in #1. Using the "cluttered brain" myth. Again you hate Japanese so you want to be exposed to it as little as possible because you're just learning to "conquer teh japs hurrr".

[Anonymous No.]

Wanna see what it would look like if you incorporated the readings?

[Anonymous No.]

I wrote a silly fanfic about the kanji to play devil's advocate and prove Remembering The Kanji 1 should have had readings, but stopped writing it when I realized it wouldn't work for all the kanji.

http://pastebin.com/Q76nLXYu

[Anonymous No.]

Actually, there is a best way to learn. It's called "something immersion." It's basically being around japanese speaking people most of the day, and you learn the language like a baby learns its first language.

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Wait I'm fixing it.

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>>5397968
That won't teach you kanji. And there is a lot of controversy surrounding language acquisition through immersion, as I'm sure you'll agree there are many things defining an adult learning language through immersion and a baby learning its first language.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5397810

If you really have to ask that I doubt you've studied kanji for any length of time. Stroke order is like a road map and I wouldn't go without one once you get to kanji that have many strokes.

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>>5397968
That worked great in the 13th Warrior.

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>>5398017
You only say that because that's the way you learned them.

[Anonymous No.]

One's personal difficulty with learning a kanji is in the meaninglessness of the strokes and/or the parts seeming to have no connection to the meaning. Both are challenges, not barriers. Kanji difficulty is not effected by the number of strokes or the number of parts, especially when the parts can be grouped into kanji, reducing the number of parts the kanji has in your memory.

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>>5398050

Regardless, only being able to recognize them reeks of half-ass study habits.

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As you will find out when you learn kanji, the kanji are simplified and have changed over thousands of years. Many parts look the same, but are actually simplifications of groups of other parts. Writing in the wrong stroke order can lead to mistaking one element for the other because to you they seem to look the same. Writing it in the correct stroke order keeps them separate in your mind. Stroke order is by far not just to make kanji look pretty. Again you'd know this very well if you studied kanji.

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>>5395017

Not sure if trolling, you learn japanese for eroges.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5398169
What else would you learn it for?

[Anonymous No.]

No one mentioned Kanjidamage? Seriously?

http://kanjidamage.com/

[Anonymous No.]

Stop bumping your thread OP.

[Lynessa~n !DoLLFaGERs No.]

>>5400582

Was just about to, haha.

[Anonymous No.]

If there's one thing I gained from this thread, it's that I've found a very deserving tripfag to block.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5400582
It's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>herp derp kanji sux0rz
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[Anonymous No.]

>>5400603
Why exactly? It's not perfect, but after checking probably all available resources for learning kanji I consider it the best option out there.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanjidamage is unprofessional and crude, but it's the best damn thing out there when it comes to kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5400636
It's wrong on a few things. That alone makes it shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I never was able to learn with RTK because I couldn't grasp stories kinda like : "the monkey going into the south with a teaspoon to lift his arm like the sleeve of a kimono representing a woman lying down."
But if anyone manage to learn kanji that way, good for them.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語を勉強してるが、別にサイトへ行かない。他のいい日本の事や日本語
習うのためのサイトあるの？

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>>5400914
つ「www.2ch.net」