Yukari v Eirin

[Anonymous No.]

Who would win in a battle of wits: Yukari or Eirin? (Since this is a battle of wits, no powers are allowed.)

In my opinion, ZUN has shown that Yukari is more wiser than Eirin. SSiB could be summed up as Yukari's plan vs Eirin's countermeasures. And as seen in SSiB's ending, Yukari anticipated Eirin's traps and came out the winner.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

KoG

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370423
Back to /a/ kiddo.

[Anonymous No.]

Who the fuck cares?

[Anonymous No.]

At least it's not a powerlevel thread.

[Anonymous No.]

I read "Who would win in a battle of tits"

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is not Umineko. Get out. ;_;

[Houraisan Kaguya !NEATnUrmu2 No.]

>>5370475
Two women gallantly trying to kill each other by forcefully smacking their breasts into each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370475
We already know the answer to that.

[Anonymous No.]

More wiser?

[Anonymous No.]

Eirin is just a human who has lived very long. Yukari on the other hand is a youkai who's capable of solving complex equations that her supercomputer shikigami cant solve. The answer is as clear as night and day.

>She's usually strong with numbers, being able to answer complicated equations instantly, startling those around her.
>It goes without saying that there is no comparison. I could neither solve nor understand Miss Yukari's equations.
>Miss Yukari would determine not only the Sanzu's width, but its bottomless depth as well. She'd find out how long it would take Ursa Major to devour the North Star, all in an instant. Normally all she does is sleep, but the instant she opens her mouth, she gives orders no one else would think up.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Ran

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370521
adjective wiser wiser, wisest wisest

1 having or showing good judgment; sagacious; prudent
2 prompted by wisdom; judicious; sound: a wise saying, wise action
3 having information; informed: none the wiser
4 learned; erudite
5 shrewd; crafty; cunning
6 Now Dial. having knowledge of black magic, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370539
I am pretty sure he knows what it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370524
Autist can solve complex equations yet they can't do shit in practical situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>Eirin is just a human

MMmmm...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370553
Yukari isn't autistic, she's just inhumanly good at math.

It's probably a youkai thing. Ran can do it too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370559
>http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Eirin
ZUN has implied she's human. Also, Eirin technically cant be considered a Lunarian because her existence predates the Lunar Capital. She's even rumored to be older than the god of the moon.

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>>5370581
So she's, like, over 100% Lunarian and it wraps around to being 0% Lunarian so she's a human by default?

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>>5370569
>It's probably a youkai thing.
Not all youkai have Ran's level of intelligence. Cirno to name a few. And not all Lunarians have Eirin's intelligence. Kaguya to name a few.

>Ran can do it too.
But not to the extent of Yukari. "It goes without saying that there is no comparison."

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>>5370601
Cirno is a fairy. And it would be entirely appropriate for Ran to downplay her own mathematical skills in comparison to her master.

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>>5370591
I've been watching that gif for the last five minutes. I should probably go to bed.

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5370601

>to name a few

You mean "to name one."

Cirno isn't a youkai, she's a fairy. She's VERY close to becoming a Youkai, but right now she isn't one. A good example of a dumb youkai would be Rumia.

Ran can solve complex equations, but she can't solve shit that's unsolvable. This means something along the lines of Yukari's complex equations, she could make 1 + 5 = umbrella. This is unsolvable for anyone but her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370591
She was not born on the moon because she predated the moon's existence. She's older than Tsukuyomi according to the moonbitches. I guess this comes down to your definition of what is considered a native. If China was an empty mass of land and I went there and created a Nation could I call myself Chinese?

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>>5370622
Since you were the original Chinese person you would be more Chinese than someone who could legitimately call themselves 100% Chinese so you would be more than 100% Chinese, which was what I was saying.

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>>5370617
>Cirno isn't a youkai
You are correct and not correct at the same time. In PMiSS, all youkai, onis, gods, and etc... are classified in the same group known as youkai. But 'youkai' is further divided into subgroups such as beast youkai, youkai, faeries, onies, and gods.

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>>5370617
Fairies are a type of youkai. Youkai is just a shorthand for "supernatural being". "Gods are youkai", remember?

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5370647

I'm trying to understand what Shiki said to Cirno...apparently Cirno is still just a fairy (simple-minded and ultimately immortal), but she's really close to becoming a full youkai of ice. Whether this means gaining an incredible amount of power in exchange for mortality or actually becoming a smarter is anyone's guess.

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>>5370637
But she didn't evolve along with the Lunarians. She's essentially a human that went to the moon and helped build the framework for those that would become known as Lunarians. It's the equivalent of you going to South America and building a nation for the natives then calling yourself a South American, despite the fact that you were born in North America. Also, Eirin describes herself as a human.

噂では月の都に関係の深い人間だと言われている。
Rumor has it that she is a human with a deep connection to the Lunar Capital.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Eirin_Yagokoro

[Anonymous No.]

So anyways, is Tsukuyomi male or female?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370676
>she's really close to becoming a full youkai of ice

Where did you get THAT from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370604
>And it would be entirely appropriate for Ran to downplay her own mathematical skills in comparison to her master.
But Ran is not the only person who has commented on Yukari's intelligence. It was also mentioned in PMiSS:
他にも、超人的な（＊３）頭脳を持ち、特に数字に強い。
>In addition, she is possessed of superhuman (*3) intellect, and is especially good at mathematics.
その上、長く生きてきた為、知識や経験も豊富である。
>Furthermore, due to her long lifespan, she has a broad range of knowledge and experience.

In an interview, Aya could barely keep up with what Yukari was talking about.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Yukari

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370617

Fairies are the weakest kind of youkai,

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370697
Male.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370697
Male, same as Tenma.

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>>5370733

I don't think there is any actual proof. English translators just turned Tsukuyomi-san into Lord Tsukuyomi.

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>>5370581

Tsukuyomi is not a god.

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5370700

Stuff that Shiki said. Either she's saying that Cirno's too powerful for her own good or something else. One of the more notable things that she mentions is Cirno somehow becoming mortal at some point. Fairies are pretty much immortal, so her becoming mortal MIGHT mean a huge step up in power.

"Strongest fairy."

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>>5370758
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370751
>Our master has lived even longer than Lord Tsukuyomi. When *he moved to the moon and built the capital, the one he relied on the most was our master - Eirin Yagokoro.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate:_Chapter_3

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370792

Tsukuyomi is just a guy who thought: "hey earth is shit, let's go to the moon and live there". He might have became a god later on, but it's far more likely he just took his name after the moon god.

Besides he's not really called Tsukuyomi. Lunarians names are just japanified. It's confirmed in PMiSS that lunarians don't speak japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370816

It's just translation. There is no "he" in the original.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370762
Don't just phantom quote:

Shiki: You are a fairy, however, you possess great power. But ... you cause a little too much trouble. At this rate, you might receive damage
that cannot be healed naturally ... In other words, that means death ... Even mother nature will die at times. You must know that eternity does not exist in this natural world. Now be aware
that you hold a little too much power!
- Cirno's scenario, final battle, PoFV

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370828
>He might have became a god later on, but it's far more likely he just took his name after the moon god.

Except for how all of the important Lunarians are:

1.) Immortal.
2.) The inventors of magic.
3.) Actual gods in Japanese mythology. (Kaguya is borderline.)

>It's confirmed in PMiSS that lunarians don't speak japanese.

Funny, I don't remember Yorihime having any problems talking to Reimu.

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5370845

I didn't feel like copy/pasting, but that still confuses me. Is she saying that Cirno's too powerful or what?

[Anonymous No.]

Who would win in a battle of wits: Cirno or Rumia?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370885

Remilia and Flandre can also communicate with them without problems. Pretty much every magic system in existence have a translation spell.

But nobody from Gensokyo can read books written in the lunar language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370912
Remilia and Flandre were weeaboo vampires. That's why they came to Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370885

I don't remember people in Star Trek having any problems talking to aliens.

[Anonymous No.]

hahahaha holy fuck your all fucking losers

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5370937

Why did they bring a Chinese rainbow dragon with them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370955
Go back to /r9gay/ normalfaggot; this board is NEET only. Your kind isn't welcome around here.

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5370971

>NEET

I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370949
There are instances. Enterprise has most of them. TNG has two that I can think of: there was that dialect where everyone spoke in confusing historical reference and metaphor; and, the other was one resolved at the end of the episode when the Enterprise intercepted a communication between the antagonistic untranslatable aliens' ships before they were destroyed and THAT the only thing they did manage to translate correctly: "I think we made a mistake (in our translation)."

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>>5370964
They didn't. China used to live on the SDM island before Remilia took it by force.

[Anonymous No.]

Eirin: shitty bad ending boss
Yukari: 2° extra stage

Yukari obviously

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371003
By this logic, Nue and Suwako are smarter than Eirin.

Approved.

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5371020

Flan's also smarter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5370396
>more wiser
Well I know YOU wouldn't win...

[Anonymous No.]

Impurities are to blame for humans' short lifespans. In order to live longer a human (who became a sage) decided to create a world 'without' impurities on the moon [1]. In order to protect their new found paradise from the people they left behind on Earth, they created youkai to regulate the Earthlings' filthiness [1][2]. The youkai began to terrorize the humans, and thus powerful, heroic humans were sent to exorcise and exterminate them. The off and on battle between humans and youkai continued on until Gensokyo was sealed off from the world (with the advent of the Hakurei Border) [3]. During that time the Lunarians invented a limitless power supply. Yukari thought she could use something like that to improve the living conditions of Gensokyo [4]. It concluded with the First Lunar War.

[1] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate:_Chapter_3
[2] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Scarlet_Team%27s_Scenario_2
[3] http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Gensokyo
[4] SSiB chp 3 page 7-8

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371033

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>>5371033
Falls firmly in the "shit that would ruin Touhou if people cared about it"pile. Thankfully, no one does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371051
Fucking lol that Lunarians greatest advancement occurred a thousand years ago. Yet more proof that Lunarians are utterly worthless at technological advancement without Eirin.

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>>5371087
>Our master has lived even longer than Lord Tsukuyomi. When he moved to the moon and built the capital, the one he relied on the most was our master - Eirin Yagokoro.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate:_Chapter_3

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371106
That quote doesn't disprove what I said and I'll read CiLR when hell freezes over.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>5371106

... and who is "our master"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371087
Well she is called the "brain" of the moon and a body with out a brain is nothing, but a useless bag of guts.

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>>5371112
It was posted to support your claim.

>>5371033
I'm still not sure who created Gensokyo. The Gensokyo page on the wikia claims it was created by humans. Yet in PMiSS, it states (several times) that Yukari (not only proposed the idea of Gensokyo) but created it herself.

>The project refers to a plan designed and implemented by Yukari in order to restore power to the youkai of Gensokyo, who felt pressured by human expansion.

>Until then Gensokyo was merely an isolated mountain place, but she planned to create the boundary between illusion and reality around Gensokyo, thus logically creating a new world.

>By establishing Gensokyo as an illusionary world, and the outside as the real world, the youkai weakened by the outside world would naturally flock to Gensokyo; this was a truly epochal event.

>It is said that this youkai was one of those who suggested the creation of the Great Barrier and created what is now Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371132
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Yukari_Yakumo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371132
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm tired and going to sleep now.

Didn't the Dragon create Gensokyo? Yukari pledged her existence on everlasting peace and all that.

[Anonymous No.]

>http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate:_Chapter_3
>The rabbits assigned to be lunar emissaries have relatively strict controls placed on them, and the work can be fairly strenuous. So, it's not that unusual for rabbits to run away. Reisen was a rabbit who'd done just that before the start of the last war.
>For now, all that's happened is the launch of a primitive rocket to the side of the moon closest to them

So again, why the hell are people saying that lunarians had any problems with repelling the USA invasion?

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5371132

Probably a joint effort. Gensokyo may have been a town that was so separated from society that they still believed wholeheartedly in the youkai and kept to themselves while the rest of the world marched on with progress. Yukari thought "This is a good place to settle" and went there with a bunch of youkai. The humans don't bother them and they don't bother the humans. Thus, "Gensokyo" became a much larger area and the human village a part of it.

At least, this is the theory that makes sense. I just remember that the border was created due to the Dragon about to destroy this happy youkai refuge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371132

500 hundred years ago Yukari created a border of fantasy around Gensokyo. It became a fantasy land where fairies and weak youkai who felt threatened by human expansion could gather. Sort of like a mystical forest from a fairy tale. By that time entry from the outside world and back was easy and common.

Then in 1884 the great border was created sealing Gensokyo off completely. It was supposedly Yukari's plan, but it met with a strong opposition from many youkai. Looks like she took her chance when human priests tried sealing it off by themselves and aided them. Dragon also appeared at that time, but who exactly summoned it is unknown. Whole thing caused some conflicts but Yukari ended up on top. After that entry from the outside became pretty much impossible for most.

Then WWII happened and the large scale impurity caused by atom bombs weakened the border. Now it's possible to cross the great barrier in few places.

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>>5371167
>So again, why the hell are people saying that lunarians had any problems with repelling the USA invasion?
In that same chapter it says Reisen is a canon coward, so yeah. Also, we're not saying anything. Kaguya's profile in IN claims the Lunarians were losing to the Americans *at one point. Which is surprising considering the fact that 1) Lunarians had a head-start for their civilization and 2) the Americans had a huge disadvantage in space.

Just the fact that in such a short span of time we humans were able to gap the difference in our military powers supports the claim that the Lunarians are lost without Eirin. America's military might has quadrupled since the 70s. And China's military is going to be unstoppable 50 years from now. If America was to fight against the Lunarians with some help from the UN, the Lunarians would get obliterated in the next Lunar War.

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5371220

Nobody summoned the Dragon, it just appeared to destroy the land due to human conflict. Yukari and a few of the more ancient youkai promised it that there would be peace and it left. After that the Great Border was created with the Hakurei shrine as the keystone.

>The youkai sages staked their existence on pledging eternal peace to the dragon, and in an instant the waters drew back, the sky was torn asunder, and light was returned to the heavens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371220
>>5371329
Where are you guys reading the part about the Dragon? PMiSS, perhaps?

[Bern !FAGetWqs1I No.]

>>5371343

Yep.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Dragon

Apparently the kappa put a weather prediction device in the eyes when they made the statue. It's technology, but the humans of the village believe it's magic.

Also, Meiling is the dragon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5371167
Don't try to downplay the events of the Lunar War. Many Lunarians and moon rabbits gave their lives to protect their country.

貴方は大きな罪を負っている。
仲間を見捨て、見殺しにし、
貴方は一人だけのほほんと暮らしている。
>You bear a large sin.
>You abandoned your allies, letting them die,
>while you're the only one here living happily.

そう、貴方は少し自分勝手過ぎる。
>That's right, you're a bit too selfish.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View:_Reisen%27s_Scenario

>The rabbit had escaped from the front line of a war, leaving her allies behind...
>Humans were invading the moon?
>These filthy humans are exploiting the power of the moon and trying to build a base here. We've been urging them co-exist peacefully with us, but they never listen. We're up against a wall. We've decided to declare a final war against them.
>The tide of war is currently slightly in their favour... Their modern weaponry is far better than we expected. But don't worry, we have the wisdom and pride of our millennia of history... We will never lose.
>Dear Reisen, a war will be starting soon. Please come back and fight at our side.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kaguya

[Anonymous No.]

Stupid contest.
Even without powers, as the youkai
of boundaries Yukari has still seen more shit than Eirin.

I doubt it's possibly to be wiser than Yukari since her powers can allow for almost anything...
Yukari will have much more knowledge and street smarts than Eirin do to her having inherently experienced a great deal of danger and complexity.

[Anonymous No.]

Even without using her powers, as the youkai of boundaries Yukari has still seen more shit than Eirin.

I doubt it's possibly to be wiser than Yukari since her powers can allow for almost anything...
Yukari will have much more street smarts than Eirin do to her having inherently experienced a great deal of danger and complexity.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5371402
Shikieiki likes to play up people's sins and the punishments to make them feel guilty, so I don't know how much we can trust that account. Not to mention that that may just be how Reisen personally feels about having run away...?