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5330185 No.5330185 [Reply] [Original]

She's sadistic as fuck. "Hey lets test out your new axe on our pet human."
Plothole: If she picked up enough human nature to not be able to reproduce without love, she should have the decency to not do things like that.

She's a slut, literally guzzling cum from all sorts of creatures as well as her boyfriend nightly. without being married.

And she turned all of humanity into monsters.

This concludes why anyone who likes Saya should feel bad.

>> No.5330191

Everybody knows Saya is shit and only VN newfriends like it.

>> No.5330197
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>her boyfriend nightly. without being married.
I thought /jp/-san was a moralfag, not a christfag.

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>> No.5330198
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so very human

>> No.5330203

>>5330191
>Everybody knows Saya is shit and only VN newfriends like it.
Can you tell me why?

>> No.5330204
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5330204

And she is still my delicious evil meat blob waifu.

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5330213

Sup meido.

>> No.5330218
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5330218

Did she take in other people's genetic material? I don't remember that.

But yeah the whole "let's use the axe on her" was very messed up.

>> No.5330223

Can someone tell me why she wanted to find the person that created her? It's been a while since I've played it.

>> No.5330229

are we reading vns for plot again

>> No.5330233

>>5330213
Ya because SnU isn't /jp/ related, amiright?

>> No.5330234

>>5330229

Don't mind them; it's just our old habits resurfacing again.

>> No.5330235

>>5330218
She did to animals, not people.

>> No.5330241

>>5330191
You are a failure.

>> No.5330247

>>5330197
OP isn't from /jp/. We all read Saya well over a year ago.

>> No.5330249
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5330249

She's a bitch and a monster. Anyone who likes her probably thinks "hurr my life sucks so bad i want everyone to die im 12 years old and very edgy"

>> No.5330257

I can only see people enjoying SnU because they think it's 'edgy', 'dark' or for the gore or something. It's really just overrated shit.

>> No.5330269

>>5330223
Because she was an alien in a foreign place and he was the first to show her compassion and teach her about the world. She was drifting alone until she found Fuminori so of course she longed for her "dad".

>> No.5330272

She hated You for having large breasts.
The axe thing was just her making sure You always had a lowest rank than her in the group.
Saya and Funimori were the Alphas in the wolf pack.

>> No.5330275

>>5330257
It's better than FSN and CLANNAD.

>> No.5330279

>>5330275
Just saying FSN wasn't enough? Figured you'd get more of a response by adding Clannad too?

>> No.5330282

>>5330279
So you're one of those people that think people who disagree with you are trolls?

>> No.5330288

>>5330249
Says the person posting "lol badass killer doctor xD".

>> No.5330290

>>5330249
>>5330257
>>5330261
>>5330275
3/10, boring and predictable. Here I'll give you a new angle: "Saya has weaker writing and characterization than KS!"
Try that out next time.

>> No.5330294

>>5330249
Actually humanity became awesome thanks to Saya. Presumed biological immortality (or a very long life), great resilience plus ability to calculate better than supercomputers? Fuck yeah, that's totally worth being a blob of goo.

>> No.5330297

>>5330282
I never said I disagreed, nor did I say they were a troll. I think Clannad and FSN are both quite overrated. However, Clannad, FSN, and SnU are all quite different. Saying one is better is a matter of personal preference.

>> No.5330302

Hey guys, I'm glad we stopped pretending to like SnU.

That was total bullshit.

>> No.5330303
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5330303

Saya is cute and she would be a good wife.

>> No.5330305

I think Saya No Uta is a very great VN.

The atmosphere of the game is 'dark and edgy' -- but its a damn horror VN. That's the point. It strikes terror into your heart in a way that would strike a chord in any sane human being. "What if everything changed? What if nothing is what it seems?"

The Characters are realistic and watching them go batshit would give anyone some animalist pleasure, and the art is wonderful (but Fuminori's gore world does look pretty bad. That CG with the hand and the organs when Kouji opens the fridge made me SICK, but the fakeness of everything adds to Fuminori's atmosphere in a way so it's chill.

I think it just gives everyone that animalistic, dark feeling and all the paranoia fuel you could ever need. It's an amazing VN.

>> No.5330306

>>5330302
I like it.
Fuck you and your nigger tastes.

>> No.5330307

>>5330297
People have spent how many years studying literature so as to determine what constitutes good and bad writing? You're bullshit argument "It's just a matter of personal preference" is something people who don't have the intelligence to discuss something even remotely subjective say.

>> No.5330309

>Mentioning F/SN and Clannad for no reason in a Saya topic
>What? No I'm not a troll?

>> No.5330311

>>5330306

>I like it.

Seems like you're in the minority here, old chap.

>> No.5330312

>>5330309
>Greentexting like a fucking retard.
Go back to /v/.

>> No.5330316

>>5330312
Hey, same goes for you.

>> No.5330317

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.........（ﾟ､ ｡ ７
........　l、 ~ヽ
........　じしf_, )ノ

>> No.5330319

Go back to /lit/, Arc.

>> No.5330322

>>5330312
And calling someone a retard is so much better. Who needs logic and reasoning when you have obscenities?

>> No.5330323

>>5330319

Gladly. This place is bullshit.

Bull. Shit.

>> No.5330325

>>5330311
I don't think so, i like Saya too, stop hating things because they are popular, is stupid.

>> No.5330330

>>5330323
I read the last part of that post in Arnold's voice.

>> No.5330331

>>5330316
Because it's not as though I was doing it to make fun of you.

>> No.5330332

>>5330307
>hurr I smoked a bunch of weed and read old books for 8 years in college now I'm qualified to make objective verdicts on what qualifies as good or bad entertainment

>> No.5330334

>>5330294
If humanity is this different from them is there any real continuity between the two? Effectively, humanity is replaced by tentacle monsters.

>> No.5330335

I can never forgive her and Fuminori for what they've done to Yoh.

>> No.5330338

>>5330290
I never said I disliked the visual novel. I think it's well written and it was really entretaining, even if I dislike the main character.

>>5330288
I just posted her picture because she's saya's main antagonist, or at least, the one who did more to kill her.

>> No.5330340

>>5330319

Oh, and don't follow me back to /lit/ and try trolling people with visual novel threads.

I can spot /jp/ users in my /lit/ instantly. It's like smelling their unwashed fatbodies in a bus.

They get tremendously butthurt at the sign of anyone disagreeing, use sage way too much, never know about the /lit/ Must-read list, and get irrationally angry at tripfags of any type posting in their threads.

That kind of abnormal, autistic behavior sticks out like a sore thumb in /lit/.

>> No.5330342

>>5330332
No, but at least I recognize that there are objective ways to analyze media. And you still need to go back to /v/.

>> No.5330344

Sure is butthurt SnU fans.

>> No.5330347

>>5330335
Its her own fault for falling in love with that Funimori.

>> No.5330349

>>5330340
No seriously, go back to /lit/ now. And take about 2/3 of the faggots in this thread back with you, please.

>> No.5330353

Well this thread was really shitty to begin with but it quickly got exponentially more shitty. Never change /jp/.

>> No.5330356

>>5330307

>implying anyone ever discusses anything intelligently on 4chan

>> No.5330358

>>5330349

>And take about 2/3 of the faggots in this thread back with you, please.

Keep your faggots, I enjoy /lit/ being heterosexual.

>> No.5330359

>>5330356
You're not helping, and yes, I've had intelligent conversations here before.

>> No.5330360

>>5330307
Literature in the case of visual novels have only one goal; to entertain. If you don't think entertainment is subjective you're a retard.

>> No.5330362

>>5330340

You're the one who sticks out like a sore thumb here. And don't go patting yourself on the back because of that fact.

>> No.5330363

Wow you guys, SnU isn't even popular, you don't have to pretend to hate it because everyone else likes it.

>> No.5330368

>>5330362
Stop arguing with him idiot, he'll just keep posting.

>> No.5330374

What is beautiful and decent is in the eye of beholder. In this case, human.

Saya and Fuminori is outside this concept, and in their eyes what is beautiful in this world is out of it.

I see nothing wrong with it.

>> No.5330377

>>5330360
>Literature in the case of visual novels have only one goal; to entertain.
Since when? Is that the only goal of movies as well?
Some people pay attention to the writing in VNs. It's not as though you don't notice painfully bad writing.

>> No.5330381

>>5330359

>I've had intelligent conversations here before

'My Touhou Can Beat Up Your Touhou and Here's Why' is NOT an Intelligent Conversation.

>> No.5330382

>>5330340
>I can spot /jp/ users in my /lit/ instantly.
The only /jp/ users you can spot are the /jp/ users you can spot.

>> No.5330383

>>5330363
I think the same happened with YMK.

>> No.5330385

BIG BREASTS

>> No.5330395

>>5330383

Shit, I was just about to post the same thing.

>> No.5330402

>>5330382

>The only /jp/ users you can spot are all of the autistic, saging hordes invading /lit/ with their talk of Visual Novels and Light Novels

Precisely.

>> No.5330415

>>5330402
Pretentious fag.

>> No.5330431

No one here cares how 'literate' visual novels are. There's obviously something more to them than the writing or we'd be reading Tale of the two cities or whatever.

>> No.5330432
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5330432

God you people are pathetic.

>> No.5330442

>>5330334
People didn't forget who they were. They just acquired tentacles and better mental capacity. Also meat, lots of meat.

>> No.5330449

I'm so glad mootles made /lit/ to keep the circle-jerking pretentious kids out of all the other boards. Dude just because you read some Nietzsche and Catcher in the Rye does not make you intelligent. It just makes you a dumb faggot who thinks he's intelligent, which is somehow more obnoxious. Now go away.

>> No.5330460

OK then, you're never allowed to say any VN was good or bad. You can't even say anything about it was good or bad since it's all subjective.

>> No.5330469

>>5330449


Further proof that /jp/ is filled with knuckle-dragging, intellectually bankrupt types?

>> No.5330476

>>5330460
The board would be a lot better if people did this actually. Think of all the "X IS SHIT" posts we'd get rid of.

>> No.5330486

>>5330460
"It was bad IN MY OPINION, because: [insert decent attempt to explain which aspects of the VN you didn't like and why without using more than 3 expletives per sentence]"

Was that so hard?

>> No.5330507

What a coincidence, I just finished my first ending after a 5 hour session (including food and bathroom breaks). So I was wondering, can anyone tell me roughly how long it should take me to backtrack and get the other endings? It would be kinda ideal if I went to bed in one hour, but it would also be nice if I got to finish the whole thing in just one session. Not bothering if it'll take me more than 2 hours.

>> No.5330508

>>5330486
Your opinion is worthless since there exists no objectivity in it. What's the point of saying a certain aspect was bad if someone else thinks that exact aspect was good? It's a worthless statement, according to you every part of every VN will be liked and hated and there is no point of even discussing it.

>> No.5330513

>>5330507
I hope you saved at the choices.
Always save at the choices son.
If you did that then believe me, it will take almost no time at all.

>> No.5330514

>>5330460
There are a few different "objective" criteria for literature. The one's determined by literature critics and the one's determined by the majority of those reading the material. Most people generally use their own metric that utilizes bits and pieces from the above metrics.

But it is true that at the end of the day it really is all subjective when compared to the most extreme definition of objective.

>> No.5330519

>>5330185
>implying humans didn't invent torture

anything in OP's post just proves that saya was becoming very human

>> No.5330531
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5330531

Saya no Uta is a good vn, I felt the characters where too underdeveloped but its a good VN anyway. I just dont get why some guys still thinks saying everything is shit will make them look cool so they can hang out with the cool kids.

>> No.5330537

>>5330508
Nobody's opinion "has worth" you dumb faggot. Especially on 4chan. That's why it's an opinion! We talk about it because we're bored and want to hear what our peers think. I don't know if you've ever had any friends or not but that's how conversation works.
Not
>derp I wrote a well-stated post on 4chan, that means that this really is shit and that's an objective fact so anyone who doesn't like it must like shit. My statement now trumps everyone else's feelings about this game.

No. Doesn't work like that. Only people who might think so are insanely self-absorbed and introverted, which I'm sure applies to most of /jp/.

>> No.5330540

Actually SnU was one of my first visual novels. At the time I thought it was great, I still think it's good though. Seemed really realistic for a horror VN.

>> No.5330543

>>5330513
I usually don't, but since there were so few choices that they all seemed significant, I did this time.

I guess I'll give it a try now, then. Thanks.

>> No.5330545

>>5330508
Your opinion isn't worthless just because someone disagrees with it. The point of discussing it would mostly be for other people to read and see which opinion they seem to agree with more and possibly try out something and find they enjoy it too. It's silly to try to discuss something and prove indisputably that that something is good or bad, just discuss something because you want to talk about it and see what other people thought of it. Oh wait I'm on 4chan.

>> No.5330553

>>5330508
Because the only point of discussing something is proving that you're right.

>> No.5330557

Bad troll, but one of the big themes in Saya is perception. Do you think of humans as horrible monsters because they kill innocent animals to survive?

Your view is different from their view. They were a couple trying to fit in a world they didn't belong in.

>> No.5330570

The whole point of the "lets use the axe" thing was because she WASN'T human anymore. It wasn't "lets try an axe on our pet human" it was "let me show you she's not human anymore"

>> No.5330579

>>5330570
buuut Saya made Yoh into one of her own species, and Saya definitely feels that her species is greater than or at least equal to humanity, so it's still really bizarre and obscene for her to say that.

>> No.5330582

>>5330537
No one's opinion's inherently have worth. But there are ways to objectively analyze media, and there is an entire wing of academia devoted to advancing such analysis.

>> No.5330597

>HURF DURF, SAYA IS POPULAR NOW, THEREFORE IT IS SHIT

Oh man, now that /v/ and /a/ are starting to warm up to SnU, /jp/ goes 180 and shits all over it.

You guys are total faggots.

>> No.5330610

>>5330557
Excuse me sir, according to the people in this thread you are not supposed to read into that. Just enjoy the porn and fight scenes.

>> No.5330615

>>5330597
I still like it.
So do others.
And many hated it ever since the translation came out.
/a/ has had tons of threads since it first came out, so not really a factor.
Do not be a faggot/

>> No.5330626

>>5330582
Yes it's called "pseudo-science".
Let me show you the difference.
Objective opinion:
"This game has dated graphics, it looks like it was made in 1992"
Subjective opinion:
"This game has bad writing because x and y and z and I personally didn't feel moved by it"
I'm sorry you wasted years of your life earning a laughable and ridiculous degree (you're a lit major, right?) but no, such "analysis" is just academic circle-jerking and losers who were too stupid to take a real major trying to make themselves appear as if they earn their salary. If I identified with the characters and found the writing moving but you didn't, then all your precious "analysis" means about jack shit to me. Because it's subjective, end of story.

>> No.5330632

>>5330579

Just because I believe my own species to be of greater worth than another species does not mean I care one whit about a specific member of my species.

>> No.5330640

>>5330626
Actually I'm an engineer. You would think I wouldn't give two fucks about anything that isn't completely objective, right?
But you realize that this whole bullshit of "well as long as you justify your opinion, you're right!" is just a load of crap your second grade teachers tell you. Guess what, there are bad opinions and there are ways of correctly analyzing them. Don't buy into the Disney shit.

>> No.5330645

>>5330626
>If I identified with the characters and found the writing moving

This has nothing to do with the quality of a work, subjective or otherwise.

>> No.5330652

>>5330597
/a/ has liked Saya for a long time now. And I would imagine that most people on /jp/ still like it. A few posters in a single thread don't represent general opinion.

>>5330626
I agree with this.

>> No.5330661

>>5330640
>there are bad opinions

Oh lord.

I wouldn't quite say there are "bad" opinions so much as there being opinions that are based off of incorrect information. "Uninformed" opinions.

>> No.5330666

>>5330640
>there are bad opinions
I can't even debate further on this. That's just radically ignorant and pigheaded.

>> No.5330684

>>5330666
Still I think that people should argue towards a more objective consensus, rather than just accepting that people's opinions will vary.

>> No.5330695

>>5330666
Opinions formed from ignorance can be considered "bad".

>> No.5330753

>>5330684
Well, that is reasonable. In moderation. One does have to accept that other people's opinions will vary and that at the end of the day your "objective consensus" is ultimately a false construct. Because if you draw the line too hard and refuse to accept that some opinion doesn't carry as much weight as your own, you start to sound as ridiculous as a religious extremist. One has to be humble. Remember that everyone else who disagrees with you thinks that you are just as stupid as you think that they are.
But if you want to try to argue, civilly, to bridge the gap there then that is acceptable I suppose. It is a great mental exercise at least.

tl;dr one should do both

>> No.5330811

>>5330753
Agreed

>> No.5331105

>>5330507 here.
Well, now that I've finished it, I guess I can comment on the subject.

I don't think it was suggested that she picked up human virtues, exactly. It was mentioned that she has been reading a lot of Romantic literature during the past days, which isn't exactly where you learn about chastity and fidelity. Romantic literature focuses on the ecstasy of love, simply put. More than any other era, it treats love as a pleasure. I don't think there would be any contradictions if that's what's attracted Saya, she didn't gain any morals which would have prevented her from her violent and sadistic tendencies, but she learned about a new human pleasure, which she started to desire much more than her instinctual desire.

Consider that many, many people would prefer passionate lovemaking over animalistic sex. Do you think this is because their morals? I doubt it.

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