EX stage boss

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Anonymous Fri May 28 08:13:09 2010 No.5235244 [Reply] [Original]

EX stage boss

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 08:17:09 2010 No.5235267 I was secretly hoping one or both would show up in DS.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 08:19:09 2010 No.5235272 >>5235267 I sure wasn't ww

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 08:29:09 2010 No.5235304 File: 385 KB, 900x622, cannon fodder.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best harem ever

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 08:38:09 2010 No.5235327 >>5235304 First you force them to slave away all day pounding moon medicine, and then afterward you molest the bunch of them while gorging yourself on peaches. Quite the life.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:04:09 2010 No.5235408 >>5235327 did she also molest udonge?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:09:09 2010 No.5235419 >>5235408 Why do you think she ran away? Udonge was their personal pet and got it the worst.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:17:09 2010 No.5235443 File: 262 KB, 1187x637, eirin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:18:09 2010 No.5235447 File: 213 KB, 728x1026, psilent_sinner_ch18_16.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] THE BEST

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:22:09 2010 No.5235454 >>5235447 Oh dear, look at that trollface.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:26:09 2010 No.5235465 File: 341 KB, 1187x637, yukari.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:28:09 2010 No.5235472 >>5235447 It's a trap.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:31:09 2010 No.5235482 >>5235472 Yukari doesn't know direct combat, she only hypernovas.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:34:09 2010 No.5235492 >>5235465 believa's biggest day dream crap

Anonymous Fri May 28 09:34:31 2010 No.5235489 [DELETED]

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>>5235447
As sarcastic as Yukari~n was being I doubt even she could have won in that situation. The moonbitch caught her in a seal that was created to hold gods, and the moonbitch had a weapon pointed at her that could purify every nook & cranny of an entire forest. Spiritual weapons/attacks are kryptonite to youkai.

Though with a pan-dimensional youkai like Yukari, I highly doubt the moonbitch would have gotten the jump on her had she not wanted her to. I think the reason why Yukari didn't want to kill one of the moonbitches is because it would have meant war between Gensokyo and the Lunarians. The other moonbitch that single handidly defeated Reimu, Marisa, Remilia, and Sakuya seems as if she could defeat Yukari in an all out battle.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:37:09 2010 No.5235495 >>5235489 Just who's mary sue she's suppose to be any way?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:41:09 2010 No.5235513 File: 12 KB, 300x400, untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5235489 >Implying not everyone in Touhou is Mary Sue

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:42:09 2010 No.5235515 >>5235489 The oddness of that whole part I think is because the major point of Touhou is that everyone's trying to avoid an all-out powerlevels battle to the death. That and how the moonpals were actually the good guys in the story.

Anonymous Fri May 28 09:45:09 2010 No.5235528

>>5235465
>Social skills 7/10
Whoever made that chart obviously hasn't read any of ZUN's writing. It was speculated on multiple occasions that the entire pretext to Gensokyo itself may in fact be the result of Yukari using her boundary hax to break down the barriers between youkai and shrine maidens in order to make them get along together in one area named Gensokyo. With a power like that, your social skills are a 10/10 by default.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:47:09 2010 No.5235539 request source of these chart.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:51:09 2010 No.5235564 File: 179 KB, 718x950, 262c24f3105f2935e75b650f67e8943b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lady toyohime, i'm having your child~

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 09:56:09 2010 No.5235586 Pet fucker, Mary sue, whore.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 10:00:09 2010 No.5235601 >>5235586 someone needs a hug

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 10:01:09 2010 No.5235610 File: 69 KB, 192x256, SSiBreisen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5235601 Stay away pet fucker.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 10:05:09 2010 No.5235637 File: 62 KB, 1187x637, 1266614552514.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5235539

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 10:07:09 2010 No.5235652 EX stage bosses are not fanon. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 17:05:09 2010 No.5237698 >>5235586 >>5235610 Those are serious accusations, i hope you have some proofs

>>	Some Guy Fri May 28 17:10:09 2010 No.5237731 File: 186 KB, 902x1300, 1270161388002.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5237698 I wish I had that page from SSiB... Oh wait I do! What luck!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 17:48:09 2010 No.5238071 >>5237731 Well fuck me...

>>	Some Guy Fri May 28 17:54:09 2010 No.5238106 File: 223 KB, 464x530, 1268548233529.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5238071 Its true. Moonbitch #2 is canon rabbitfucker.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 18:16:09 2010 No.5238261 I prefer her sister, raping remilia is a win in my book

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 18:33:09 2010 No.5238397 >>5238106 >implying Eirin doesn't fuck with Reisen

>>	Anonymous Fri May 28 23:53:09 2010 No.5240156 >>5238106 sad story bro

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:06:09 2010 No.5240254 >>5235267 second

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:16:09 2010 No.5240309

>>5235489
Thats sounds dangerously like powerlevel discussion to me.

Though really, the moonbitches both are more powerful than Yukari, I don't know why they never get brought up in powerlevel discussion.

Which is why I always say the everyone on /jp/ servery underestimate Eirin.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:18:09 2010 No.5240318 >>5240309 I have realized this. Eirin > Toyohime = Yorihime > Yukari.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:21:09 2010 No.5240337 >>5240309 Stop saying bullshit. And you guys better not start a powerlevel discussion.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ Sat May 29 00:21:09 2010 No.5240342 File: 237 KB, 1250x1425, smirk eirin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5235443 >>5235465 >Eirin Intelligence not maxed while Yukari's is. >Special Ability: genius-level intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:22:09 2010 No.5240344 >>5240318 I think I can agree to that. Considering Eirin was their teacher she must be more powerful, even with a god sword.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:24:09 2010 No.5240357 File: 64 KB, 720x951, 1267311085324.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5240309 >>5240318 >>5240344

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:26:09 2010 No.5240368 >>5240357 U MAD? Because its canon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:29:09 2010 No.5240397 Powerlevels don't work in Touhou. All of them have outstanding abilities of great magnitude. You can't say one is better than the other.It simply doesn't work that way.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:30:09 2010 No.5240406

>>5240344
It's implied Eirin held a lot of her power back in respect for Kaguya. Theoretically, she could be the most powerful being in the entire series just from her infinite intelligence and being able to harness power from just knowing what to do. But I doubt she'll ever use it.

Eirin is scary, canonically.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ Sat May 29 00:33:09 2010 No.5240420
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>>5240397
>>5240357
Direct quote from ZUN's profile for Eirin:

"In truth, she has power well beyond that of Kaguya's. She saves her power and maintains it at a lower level out of respect for Kaguya."

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:33:09 2010 No.5240421 >>5240406 I just wish all the Yukarifags on /jp/ would at least admit that EIrin is on par with her.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:33:09 2010 No.5240422 >>5240344 Eirin is a tactician/scientist and not frontline fighter. Just because she was their teacher don't mean she's stronger. And moonbitches are about Yukari's level. No way they are stronger.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:36:09 2010 No.5240434 >>5240368 No it's not you fucktard. it's only speculation you are assuming based on obscure 'canon'

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:36:09 2010 No.5240438 >>5240421 She likely is. Just like Suika, Yuka, Shikieiki and few others. All EX tier characters are on similar level.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:37:09 2010 No.5240442

>>5240422

Yukari COULD be stronger if her power over boundaries was completely unrestricted. All she can really do is just teleport shit.

She did wage war on the Lunarians and lost...although nobody knows if she intended to lose or actually was thoroughly beaten.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:37:09 2010 No.5240443 >if someone is intelligent that person must be also powerful! Seriously guys.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:38:09 2010 No.5240446 >>5240443 I'm sure Eirin would know all her opponents weakness and a way to use it against them, that's for sur.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:38:09 2010 No.5240447 >>5240442 Hahaha so wrong. Go read some dialogues on IN and you might have a clue that Yukari's power is not just teleport around.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:38:09 2010 No.5240450

Having had an eternal life to not just sit around and neet away like Kaguya has, both Eirin and Mokou gained tremendous abilities.

Of course Eirin is going to be more powerful than Kaguya.

Toyohime and Yorihime are both just fags. Though I guess in a danmaku match Yukari just might lose, if she just jacked up her border control a bit no one can really do anything about it...

Unless you're Touma.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ Sat May 29 00:39:09 2010 No.5240456
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Here's Eirin's official profile:

"Stage 6 Boss, Brain of the Moon

Eirin Yagokoro

Species: Lunarian

Abilities: Creation of any kind of medicine; natural genius

She's a person from the moon. That means she's an alien. She has lived on the Earth for a long time. Her relationship with Kaguya dates back to their days on the moon.

The Yagokoro family is a line of medicinal geniuses that have been living on the moon for some time. Even among them, Eirin is exceptionally intelligent. She is much smarter than humans, which makes her rarely understood.

In truth, she has power well beyond that of Kaguya's. She saves her power and maintains it at a lower level out of respect for Kaguya.

Long ago, Eirin was one of a party of messengers who were sent to bring Kaguya back to the moon; the crime for which she was exiled to Earth had been forgiven. For some reason, she helped Kaguya kill all the other messengers instead. To ensure that the earthlings who lived with Kaguya would remain silent, she bribed them with the Hourai Elixir. The elixir had the power to make people immortal. None of those earthlings consumed the elixir, however, and died shortly afterwards.

It was later discovered that they were murdered.

More detail is available in Kaguya's profile.

Eirin is very surprised to see Sakuya, but only Eirin knows the reason why. "

Instead of power levels, why not discuss the last line there instead?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:40:09 2010 No.5240461 >>5240446 Based on what? you opinion or speculation?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:40:09 2010 No.5240467 >>5240456 Is it maybe something in her ability for time? Or maybe its because of her occupation as a human serving a vampire? Its really interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:41:09 2010 No.5240470 >>5240450 Eirin took the elixir too? I thought she just created it. >>5240456 What to say? Lunarian, looks similar to someone she knew, etc.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:42:09 2010 No.5240476

>>5240447

She has power over boundaries. She has the potential to be omnipotent and helps maintain the border into Gensokyo. I said that the teleporting shit thing is the only thing she can do because her power is probably really hard to control/physically draining at higher levels. She could theoretically stop time and space and create her own universe, but who knows how much energy she would consume in the process.

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>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:42:09 2010 No.5240478 >>5240450 That's not how powerlevels work sir. It doesn't matter if you sit around all day or not.

>>	Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:44:09 2010 No.5240486 >>5240467 Sakuya has white hair. Eirin has white hair. Some people think that Sakuya is a Lunarian who lost her memory or some shit. Another theory is that Eirin gave Sakuya the Luna Dial at some point.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:44:09 2010 No.5240488 >>5240476 There's a boundary between having energy and not having energy. Game set match.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:44:09 2010 No.5240489 >>5240438 Shikieiki power is probably absolute. You can assume such a thing since she was able to fucking expand a universe.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:47:09 2010 No.5240497 >>5240467 ZUN decided to keep Sakuya's origins as a mystery and he won't change that. You can make infinite theories but we will never a definitive answer while she will still be labeled as Human.

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>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:47:09 2010 No.5240501 That bitch is raping rabbits, and all you care about is power levels? shame on you, /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:48:09 2010 No.5240505 >>5240489 Siki's power is judging people. She can send them to hell, but it's practically only dead people.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:48:09 2010 No.5240508 >>5240497 What ZUN says is hardly definitive. Canon is a guideline, nothing more.

>>	Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:48:09 2010 No.5240511 >>5240488 She probably lacks the amount of energy to modify that boundary in the first place. She isn't all powerful...the dragon could easily destroy her.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:49:09 2010 No.5240516

>>5240470
I guess not? But she's still around after all those years, so either Lunarians have a ridiculously long life span that is even greater than normal youkai or she did indeed take it for Kaguya's sake.

>>5240442
Yukari's ability is to modify the borders of anything. Time, space, reality. She helped create the Hakurei Boarder. In IaMP, she removes the boundary between day and night, creating a stage that is mixed between the two. In Imperishable Night, she stops day from coming.

Its noted in Perfect Memento that she can practically create and destroy anything in her whim.

Since Gensokyo is run by rule of Danmaku, she can't particularly abuse this skill in a fight. If Eirin was holding back in IN, then that means she's probably on par with Yukari in terms of Danmaku, or at least around the same tier.

I honestly wanted to see some archery.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:49:09 2010 No.5240518 >>5240505 That's her ABILITY. Not power.

>>	Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:49:09 2010 No.5240519 >>5240501 Who, Eirin? Experimenting and raping are hardly the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:51:09 2010 No.5240523 >>5240508 I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:52:09 2010 No.5240527 >>5240508 What ZUN says about Gensokyo is, in fact, definitive, unless you have a more reliable source than the creator of the series?

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:52:09 2010 No.5240528

>>5240516

I still like to think that Yukari's ability far surpasses her control of it. It makes sense, and it allows her to be defeated even if the rule of danmaku wasn't imposed. Like I said earlier, the dragon can easily kill her, along with anyone else in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:52:09 2010 No.5240530 File: 335 KB, 800x800, basement medical exam.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5240519 He was talking about the moonbitch in the OP, not Eirin. Though Eirin does both.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:53:09 2010 No.5240531

Yukari probably sleeps a lot to make up for the lost energy. Which explains the hibernation and her need for Ran to do all her work. And this does mean she is limited to a degree. All theoretical.

And dragon? I thought Dragons were at the very top of the food chain and could destroy anyone. Why would we even include them in a discussion about power levels?

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:53:09 2010 No.5240535

>>5240527

I think the point being made is that ZUN purposely doesn't expand the idea of canon and leaves much of it up to interpretation. You can't go against what he says, but what he does say is sometimes so vague that you have to make shit up, like Sakuya's origin.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:53:09 2010 No.5240537 >>5240527 If you think the only thing defining Touhou is ZUN himself, you're insane.

>>	sage Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ Sat May 29 00:55:09 2010 No.5240547 File: 681 KB, 1045x1500, battle_royale_vol1_36.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5240528

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:55:09 2010 No.5240548 >>5240528 Yeah. That's a point of view. But it's undeniable that Yukari is among the strongest youkai, it is mentioned several times in official works.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:55:09 2010 No.5240552
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>>5240531

They are, which is why I would want to see ZUN put the dragon that almost destroyed Gensokyo into a game as an EX boss or something...and bring back Mima at the same time.

Pic related, it's the dragon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:56:09 2010 No.5240553 >>5240528 I'm not sure about "easily" part. We don't really know much about Dragon so far.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:57:09 2010 No.5240560 >>5240552 Dragons are way above EX bosses. He'd need to make a boss above even Phantasm for that.

Anonymous Sat May 29 00:57:09 2010 No.5240562

Even if Yukari is very powerful with her boundaries, she couldn't technically destroy absolutely everything in existence.
As it's said in her Perfect Memento,
>If there were no boundaries, everything would probably exist as a single enormous object.
She has power that can COMPARE to a god, but she's not actually a god herself.
And don't forget there are other gods in Gensokyo too, so calling her the only omnipotent is something you want to avoid.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:57:09 2010 No.5240566 >>5240530 Not rape, Udongay learned to enjoy it

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 00:58:09 2010 No.5240568

>>5240553

It nearly destroyed Gensokyo. The only reason it didn't is because some of the oldest youkai appealed to it that they would have an eternal peace over the land. And then the border was created.

The only people to most likely have seen the dragon canonically are Tewi and Yukari. I'm not sure about the relative ages of other youkai, but those two are ancient.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:58:09 2010 No.5240570 >>5240548 Official works don't have nearly as much weight as you think they do: most people have not read them.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 00:59:09 2010 No.5240578 >>5240562 boundary of existence and non-existence. That's pretty much possible for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:00:09 2010 No.5240581 >>5240568 The border was made in like, 1880. Most of the characters are older than that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:00:09 2010 No.5240582 File: 532 KB, 745x532, frillno.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5240568 Tons of youkai saw the dragon. It blackened the goddamn skies, you'd have to be blind not to see it.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 01:00:09 2010 No.5240584

>>5240560

We haven't seen a single game go above EX level except for PCB. I'm talking in terms of gameplay, not actual powerlevel. The Dragon would be an EX boss unless ZUN was feeling really sadistic and decided to create several EX levels.

This same game would also probably introduce the Hakurei god as the S6 boss.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:00:09 2010 No.5240586 >>5240570 So what if people don't read them? That don't change the fact they are undeniable facts.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:00:09 2010 No.5240587 >>5240578 Okay, so take away the boundary of existence and non existence. What do you have then? Neither? Both? It'd be mixed up like a blender instead of separate as a whole

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:03:09 2010 No.5240606
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>>5240309
>>5240318
The Lunarians are so weak they were getting defeated by Americans back in the 70s. The Lunarian war got so bad that Reisen (who at the time was one of the moonbitches pets) was on the front-lines. And according to PoFV, Reisen is guilty of abandoning her allies in order to save her own skin.

Lunarians are described as humans that a) have a longer lifespan and b) are good at science/magic. Though if you consider the fact that Eirin alone has existed for several millenniums longer than the USA, they cant be that smart if America managed to tie them in a battle of weaponry. Seriously, if you've existed for that long AND you had a genius IQ, wouldn't you have invented more stuff than a Nation that has only been around for 200 years? Not to mention all of the advantages the Lunarians would have had in a battle in space. Bringing one man to the moon was enough to bankrupt countries back then. (Let alone an army!)

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:03:09 2010 No.5240611
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Yukari isn't one of the strongest beings in Gensokyo because of her undeniably gamebreaking gaphax. It's because of he undeniably gamebreaking brain. Just think about it: In SSiB she wasn't even serious and she organized a plot within a plot within a plot within a plotnot to mention JUST FOR A BOTTLE OF FUCKING LIQUOR Imagine is she was serious

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:04:09 2010 No.5240617 who's the dragon's lesbian partner?

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>>5240406
>her infinite intelligence and being able to harness power from just knowing what to do.
Eirin is smarter than Yukari you say! Ran has been described as someone that can solve (unsolvable) complex equations in milliseconds, yet in Ran's own words she said she could NOT understand Yukari's equations. Yukari is smarter than a supercomputer. Citation is here. http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Ran

Also, I don't know if you've read SSiB but that confrontation between Yukari and the moonbitch was a part of Yukari's plan. I'll say one more thing. The reason why we don't mention the moonbitches in our powerlevel battles is because we're usually arguing about who's the strongest breed/species of youkai in Gensokyo. As in if I was to have a baby with one who's baby would be the strongest (with no "one hit kill all spells" included). The moonbitches have only shown that they're good at using other people's powers such as the power of their summons and the power of their moontech. (Even if you gave a weak fairy like Cirno a "one hit kill all" summon magic, she'd still be an inferior species of youkai.)

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:05:09 2010 No.5240622

>>5240570
Sad isn't it?

I'm always finding myself giving sauce to quotes from the official works when people claim my arguments are canon or speculation.

Zun pretty much laid it down hardcore. Yukari is about as powerful as you're going to get in raw abilities. She is also the only character listed with "no possible countermeasures".

"In any case, there is not a single defense against or weak point in the ability to manipulate boundaries."

Or as Marisa would say about her in her grimoire: "This is scary."

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:05:09 2010 No.5240623 >>5240586 Wrong. People not reading it means nobody knows about it. If nobody knows about it, it doesn't exist. What I'm getting at is that IOSYS has a greater impact on defining Touhou than the the non-game official works.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 01:05:09 2010 No.5240627

>>5240581

Only a handful are, and a good amount of the ones that are within that age range were somewhere else or imprisoned at the time. I'm just going by Youkai confirmed to exist. There were probably many more who saw the dragon, but as far as the ones mentioned in canon go, only a few out of the 100 or so characters were there...probably the original Hakurei miko was present at that time, as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:05:09 2010 No.5240631 >>5240606 I thought it was mostly because they didn't have a fighting force.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:06:09 2010 No.5240634 >>5240606 Hint: this point cannot be logically resolved.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:06:09 2010 No.5240635

>>5240611
>"that not even her, yuyuko and reimu together could defeat the yama"

I'm pretty sure that label her as a really powerful being, that obviously includes her gaphax.

>>5240587
Ok, I understand your point. But what determines that? I'm pretty sure boundary of existence and non-existence is something totally acceptable. I don't mind people saying that her powers are confusing and depends solely on one's capacity of interpretation of things, but I can't admit people saying that her powers are shit or something like that.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:07:09 2010 No.5240639

>>5240606
>The Lunarians are so weak they were getting defeated by Americans back in the 70s. The Lunarian war got so bad that Reisen (who at the time was one of the moonbitches pets) was on the front-lines. And according to PoFV, Reisen is guilty of abandoning her allies in order to save her own skin.

What? Where's the citation on this? As far as I know, Eirin managed to blow up apollo, and everything on the moon that's happening now is what the lunarians allow. They're not loosing at all, they're just hidden on the dark side of the moon for closer observation of the humans, and Reisen left because she wanted to flee with Eirin.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:07:09 2010 No.5240641 By the way, how would getting purified by her fan work anyway? Instant kill?

Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ Sat May 29 01:08:09 2010 No.5240643

>>5240606
Faulty logic there about America and 200 years. It's pretty irrelevant, because whatever countries are on top generally gets the majority of the top technology mankind as a whole had been developing for millenniums. Some guy can take over the 3/4 of the world in year 3000 and form a country, and this 1-day-old nation would still have the futuristic technology of its day. It's irrelevant that America has only been around for 200 years.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 01:08:09 2010 No.5240648

>>5240622

That's why people are glad she sleeps all the time. The only other way to win against her would be to exhaust her, but the only way to do that is to completely overwhelm her and then attack after she's used up all her energy. Not likely to happen.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:09:09 2010 No.5240655

>>5240623
>People not reading it means nobody knows about it. If nobody knows about it, it doesn't exist.

What the fuck is this bullshit? So you are saying that if more people know about the fanon interpretation it becomes CANON beside the fact that canon already exists? Seriously. It doesn't fucking matter if people don't know about official works, IT'S OFFICIAL, it's decided. The only thing that affects the touhou universe is discussions like this were people don't know official information and go saying shit all over.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:10:09 2010 No.5240661 File: 1.78 MB, 1200x1200, 7855722.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Poor Lunarians can't do anything without their brain.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:10:09 2010 No.5240662
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>>5240635
I never said "the strongest being". And Shikieiki is more like a force of the Cosmos, rather than a simple enemy.
Nobody should include the Yama in powerlevel discussions, except maybe if she's facing Kratos.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 01:11:09 2010 No.5240668

>>5240639

They were fighting a losing battle, and war was declared when the flag was planted on the surface of the moon. They didn't really have that much of a fighting force which is why they were completely destroyed...but imagine if they did. Reisen herself took out a few Astronauts with her insanity eye.

The only time they won a war was when Yukari and some Gensokyo youkai attacked, but it's been said that Yukari wasn't that serious and only wanted to prove a point that war is a very bad thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:12:09 2010 No.5240672 File: 35 KB, 439x700, socrates.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5240623 Fuck your shit, you fucking sophist.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:12:09 2010 No.5240674 >>5240662 That's why I said her power is 'absolute'.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:12:09 2010 No.5240676

>>5240662
I'm quite sure the "power" of a yama was never defined by Zun.

We're just going purely by outside work influences from other series and games.

If we put it that way, in Japanese folklore the yama is still not absolute in strength. Things like the Kyuubi were still stronger than yama.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:13:09 2010 No.5240678

>>5240643
That still doesn't excuse the fact that Eirin has existed for so long. If earthlings were able to live that long we would have the technologies of the gods by now. When you live as long as Lunarians you can share information more quickly. How did the primitive humans catch up to them?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:13:09 2010 No.5240680 >>5240672 that's right. show him socrates-tan!

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:13:09 2010 No.5240682

>>5240655
If more people know about and accept a fan interpretation... yes, it is for all intents and purposes canon. There is no way of reaching decisions other than the will of the masses. Touhou has no dictator and never did, no matter how much citation-needed fags claim otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:13:09 2010 No.5240685 >>5240678 They have shorter lifespans, and are more active?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:15:09 2010 No.5240692 >>5240682 >Touhou has no dictator and never did BS. All Zun has to do is say "Marisa and Alice has nothing for each other, cut it out". And the entire fanon falls apart.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:16:09 2010 No.5240695

>>5240682
I understand what you are trying to say, but I can't agree with it.

It's the same as saying: Alice is homolust for Marisa because fanon said so, and fanon base is bigger than canon base.

However canon describes Alice and Marisa as friends at the very best. The fact that canon is CANON makes it the undeniable truth, even if less people know about it that doesn't make canon stop being canon.

You will have retards saying crap all over, but they will be wrong retards anyways.

>>	Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 01:16:09 2010 No.5240697 >>5240692 Fans would respond with FUCK YOUR SHIT, THEY DO LOVE EACH OTHER. That's how Kaguya/Mokou came about, right?

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:17:09 2010 No.5240703

>>5240635
I'm not determining anything; I'm just quoting canonical fact. She cannot destroy ABSOLUTELY everything, is all, because as it's said, everything would then just be one thing. I didn't say her powers are shit or that she's weak. Stop assuming so much.

>>5240620
>Eirin is smarter than Yukari you say! Ran has been described as someone that can solve (unsolvable) complex equations in milliseconds, yet in Ran's own words she said she could NOT understand Yukari's equations. Yukari is smarter than a supercomputer. Citation is here. http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Ran

That's not citation. You just an overexadurated and distorted fact. Here's something from Ran's Perfect Memento.

>Ran is incredibly intelligent, and especially good at mathematics.
>It is said that she is capable of doing in an instant complex calculations far above the human imagination.
>Shikigami on the outside world are called computers, and are said to be used for similar purposes.

She can't do unsolvable problems, and even if she did that wouldn't make any sense what would be the point of calling them unsolvable if that were the case?
As far as the moonbitches are concerned, I'd believe that Eirin far suprasses anything they can do. It'd make sense too, since they are so fond of her.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:17:09 2010 No.5240706 >>5240682 Troll or idiot with no concept of context.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:17:09 2010 No.5240707 File: 379 KB, 1200x1200, 22968acbe9712b3ad422aeef03a97f00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can dante kill touhous?

>>	Bern !FAGetWqs1I Sat May 29 01:18:09 2010 No.5240714 >>5240707 That's a Reisen.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:18:09 2010 No.5240717 >>5240697 read >>5240695 >The fact that canon is CANON makes it the undeniable truth, even if less people know about it that doesn't make canon stop being canon. >You will have retards saying crap all over, but they will be wrong retards anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:18:09 2010 No.5240719 File: 57 KB, 216x287, socrates.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5240680 Nah, I think I'm gonna go to sleep, I'll just send Plato and his shikigami Aristotle to do all the hard work for me~♥

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:20:09 2010 No.5240733 >>5240719 good night~

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:21:09 2010 No.5240743 >>5240695 Yes, Touhou is truly enriched by holding one interpretation over all. You've shown me the light.

Secondary fan detected. Anonymous Sat May 29 01:22:09 2010 No.5240751
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>>5240639
>What? Where's the citation on this? As far as I know, Eirin managed to blow up apollo, and everything on the moon that's happening now is what the lunarians allow. They're not loosing at all, they're just hidden on the dark side of the moon for closer observation of the humans, and
"These filthy humans are exploiting the power of the moon and trying to build a base here. We've been urging them co-exist peacefully with us, but they never listen. We're up against a wall. We've decided to declare a final war against them.
"The tide of war is currently slightly in their favour... Their modern weaponry is far better than we expected. But don't worry, we have the wisdom and pride of our millennia of history... We will never lose.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Kaguya_Houraisan#
>The rabbit had escaped from the front line of a war, leaving her allies behind...

>Reisen left because she wanted to flee with Eirin.
Wrong.
>You bear a large sin.
>You abandoned your allies, letting them die, while you're the only one here living happily.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View:_Reisen%27s_Scenario#Reisen_vs._Siki_.28E
pisode_Final.29

Are all IN fans this dumb or is it just you?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:25:09 2010 No.5240770 >>5240743 No, sir. Not me. Official works. If they say that X tastes like orange, then X tastes like orange. I would love to be part of a more philosophical approach but facts are facts, just like physic laws.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:27:09 2010 No.5240775

>>5240743
What you're getting at is true, that Touhou is defined by everyone, and you have all kinds of tropes and features of characters that people "agree" on more than canon by virtue of frequency.

...But, if you're discussing fucking powerlevels or the actual origin of a character then you're talking in the context of canon, as a means of foundation, otherwise there's nothing solid or common to argue from. And, many people still respect the canon as the "true" version that you go to for that kind of talk even if they enjoy posting about Kaguya x Mokou.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:29:09 2010 No.5240786 >>5240751 I never said Reisen was never in the war. I said she left to be with Eirin. Why else would she go to Earth?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:31:09 2010 No.5240798 >>5240775 It's great to have a common basis, but that should be a point of divergence, not endlessly trampled ground.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:32:09 2010 No.5240803

>>5240703
Wow, after years of kicking Suigin's ass a new challenger appears. Oh, and just to let you know, you're no Suigin.

>That's not citation. You just an overexadurated and distorted fact. Here's something from Ran's Perfect Memento.

>Ran is incredibly intelligent, and especially good at mathematics.
>It is said that she is capable of doing in an instant complex calculations far above the human imagination.
>Shikigami on the outside world are called computers, and are said to be used for similar purposes.
Yeah, that's what I said; way to help my argument bro.

>She can't do unsolvable problems, and even if she did that wouldn't make any sense what would be the point of calling them unsolvable if that were the case?
>This river isn't fixed in width; rather, it is famous for extreme length changes according to various factors.
>Because of this, calculating the width of the river has been *understood to be *impossible.
It was said to be unsolvable and Ran solved it within the blink of an eye. Can you not read?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:33:09 2010 No.5240806 >>5240786 THANK YOU.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:33:09 2010 No.5240807 >>5240798 It's vague and contradictory enough to allow discussion and speculation, in fact that's what causes it. Just like the bible!

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:34:09 2010 No.5240812

>>5240775
>And, many people still respect the canon as the "true" version that you go to for that kind of talk even if they enjoy posting about Kaguya x Mokou.

It DOES contradict canon, though...
>Mokou still detests Kaguya, and Kaguya still tries to kill her, but neither of them can die forever.
They do, in fact, hate each other. Or at the very least, Mokou's irritated by her. Kaguya may look at it as a game, since she's said to be with obsessed with powerful people with the arts for danmaku.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:35:09 2010 No.5240823 >>5240812 What's your point? That was implicit in my post.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:36:09 2010 No.5240827 >>5240803 I don't want to bother you two, but isn't just supposed that ran calculated that instead of a fact?

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:37:09 2010 No.5240837

>>5240807
I'd rather read a nice bit of fanfiction portraying a character a certain way than a list of citations. I can't be alone in this.

But I'm not going to change anyone's mind here, you all obviously enjoy running this shit into the ground or you wouldn't do it.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:38:09 2010 No.5240844

>>5240803

>>This river isn't fixed in width; rather, it is famous for extreme length changes according to various factors.
>>Because of this, calculating the width of the river has been *understood to be *impossible.

That's not unsolvable, bro. She said that it's not fixed in width, then she said that calculating the width is understood to be impossible.
It doesn't mean it's actually impossible either, just understood to be impossible.
Both ways, if it's unsolvable and she solved it, it really WASN'T unsolvable. Learn to logic.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:39:27 2010 No.5240837,1 Hey Suigin, get in here. These IN fans are annoying. Let's put our Yuka and Yukari differences aside and unite against a common enemy.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:41:09 2010 No.5240858 Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:41:09 2010 No.5240861

>>5240606

>The Lunarians are so weak they were getting defeated by Americans back in the 70s.

Right now, the United States of America - my home nation, and the country that spends untold amounts of money on bleeding-edge military hardware - is being beaten back by a bunch of farmers with rusty Soviet guns in the desert.

That doesn't mean we're weak. That just means we have a tactical disadvantage.

I imagine the same scenario applies here. But I'm a dumb tripfag and don't know anything, etc...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:42:09 2010 No.5240865 Why the fuck are people even arguing on what is Canon and not? If ZUN declares something as fact, then nobody can deny or change that. Fuck the secondaryfags.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:43:09 2010 No.5240866

>>5240837

No body said they don't like reading fanfics. We're saying that fan fics shouldn't be sourced in a discussion that is cearly about who is stronger.

In this sense its only obvious that we go purely by canon standards.

This thread is pretty crazy. It went from talking about Moonbitches to talking about power levels between Eirin and Yukari, and now its about Canon vs Fanon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:43:09 2010 No.5240870 >>5240861 Actually the amount of money is told and you can read about it. Some of the contracts are pretty awesome.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:44:09 2010 No.5240877

>>5240866

>This thread is pretty crazy. It went from talking about Moonbitches to talking about power levels between Eirin and Yukari, and now its about Canon vs Fanon.

Actually, the same could be said of most /jp/ threads and the way they progress.

Troll thread > Powerlevel Thread >Canon Vs. Fanon

The Three Levels of Trolling, I like to call them. Trolling, Hard trolling, and HARDCORE Trolling.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:46:09 2010 No.5240881

>>5240870

>Actually the amount of money is told

>implying the Gov. actually tells the dumb little plebs the truth

Haha!

Of course, you might just be the CEO of Raytheon or Boeing. Maybe you DO know how much it is, but I certainly can't be sure of my sources.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:46:09 2010 No.5240882 >>5240877 It's a pity you can't even troll.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:46:09 2010 No.5240883 >>5240837 That's fine, especially given how bad powerlevels threads are. But Touhou "facts" are so scattered, contradictory, and obscured that people enjoy trying to hash something logical out of it even when it's impossible.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:46:09 2010 No.5240885 >>5240882 I have better ways of wasting my time these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:47:09 2010 No.5240887 fanfics are nice, but they don't really represent official material unless it coincide with canonical material. Canon>fanon obviously. It's safe to say that anyone who takes fanon and uses it as official material is just frankly wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:47:09 2010 No.5240888 >>5240885 I thought you weren't going to post here anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:47:09 2010 No.5240890 >>5240885 Like writing shitty fanfiction.net level stuffs?

>>	Satorin Komeiji !!2iqYZrZ3IOK Sat May 29 01:47:09 2010 No.5240891 Whoa everyone, how about we at least agree on this: Yama = Yukari = Eirin > Moonbitches (without sacred item bullshit) And lets pray Suigin doesn't see this thread and bring Yuka into it.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:47:09 2010 No.5240893 >>5240888 You seem to be laboring under the mistaken impression that I -post- on /jp/. I do not. I may be forced to sue you for libelous statements if you imply this further.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:48:09 2010 No.5240894 File: 238 KB, 600x600, 836918b264de4e0d75a72a01e4422e4a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5240877 How refined~ As expected from our Arc!

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:48:09 2010 No.5240896
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>>5240751
It's to bad, seems that their "millennia of history" has failed them considering humanity as started to colonize the moon in Maribel's time or there was some sort of peace agreement. Still makes me wonder just how the hell this war could of started. Did Armstrong and the gang see a army of rabbits dashing at them before shooting them to death when planted the flag? Hell, if the Apollo crew actually did carry weapons, does that mean the outside is not completely ignorant of the magical/spiritual world? Oh Noes conspiracy.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:49:09 2010 No.5240901 >>5240891 are you fucking stupid? Yama have to be always superior

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:49:09 2010 No.5240906

>>5240844
It was understood to be unsolvable by humans but Ran did it instantly. Ran then went on to say not even she could comprehend Yukari's equations. You don't get smarter than that.

Keep in mind Yukari has such wisdom because she's a superior lifeform. Eirin on the other hand is only smart because she's lived very long. As we've seen with other Lunarians (e.g. Kaguya) not all of them are inherently smart. We're comparing Eirin's wisdom to Yukari's intelligence here.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:50:09 2010 No.5240909 >>5240877 And now the FOURTH PHASE: Politics / gov. / etc.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:50:09 2010 No.5240911 >>5240909 I'm eagerly waiting for the fifth phase: >MAXIMUM TROLL: Racism/Beaners and Niggers are the cause of our problems!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:51:09 2010 No.5240916 >>5240866 I'm not saying they should be sourced. I'm saying they should be written. By people arguing powerlevels. It's a far manlier way of fighting than hiding behind citations.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:51:09 2010 No.5240919 This thread was fine until that Arc faggot showed up.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:52:09 2010 No.5240926 >>5240906 Well, since Eirin is older than Yukari, and probably is awake a lot more than Yukari is and actively becoming smarter/experimenting during these times, and is a nature genius, I'll go for Eirin as the smarter person.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:52:09 2010 No.5240927 >>5240911 Me too, it's gonna be fun. I hope they can get excited to the point of triggering fifth phase.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:53:09 2010 No.5240932 >>5240919 This thread was bad from the very start.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:53:09 2010 No.5240933 >>5240881 I can't remember the site, but they trust people to not read it. And people don't. Good to see trust payiing off.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:53:09 2010 No.5240938 Eirin is so weak she took refuge in Gensokyo, a place that Yukari~n had a hand in creating.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:54:09 2010 No.5240940 >>5240932 >This thread was bad from the very start. Isn't that the point of a troll thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:54:09 2010 No.5240941 >>5240911 Isn't the maximum troll fmn*sm? /jp/sies care about that way way more than the mud people ruining their countries.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:54:09 2010 No.5240943
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MOONBITCHES CAN'T EVEN DEFEAT YUKARI BECAUSE ORT=ADO EDEM>VIVIT>SHIKIEIKI WHO IS REALLY CHIBI AND GAY FOR KOMACHI BUT ISN'T ALLOWED IN THE UK BECAUSE OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST NIGGER!

What now?

>>	Satorin Komeiji !!2iqYZrZ3IOK Sat May 29 01:54:09 2010 No.5240945 >>5240938 0/10 not even trying.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:55:09 2010 No.5240949 >>5240940 No that's the point of you browsing /jp/ at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:55:09 2010 No.5240950 >>5240938 There's no proof that Eirin wasn't already living in Gensokyo at the time Gensokyo was created. She could easily have been one of the sages.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:55:09 2010 No.5240953

>>5240941

>jp/sies care about that way way more than the mud people ruining their countries.

The threads where /jp/ rages over pictures of Black People in their precious Nipponland sort of runs counter to what you're implying here.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:56:09 2010 No.5240964 You know, the Lunar Defense Corps is just Toyohime and a dozen kids in space helmets. I can't explain why SHE wouldn't be able to stop moon invaders, but nobody should be considering the rabbits at all.

Anonymous Sat May 29 01:56:09 2010 No.5240965

>>5240938
stop your trolling. Eirin left because she felt guilty for Kaguya, who was exiled because she made the Hourai Elixir for her.
She even killed the moon's emmissionaries, and they tried to hunt her down. Eirin was going to cut them off forever by sealing the Earth like a giant chamber, which took place in Imperishable Night when the human/youkai team (in route B) cut off her plan.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:56:09 2010 No.5240967 Dragon > any touhou. There, no more arguments.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:57:09 2010 No.5240968 I mean, Yorihime. Moonbitch Alpha.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 01:58:09 2010 No.5240975 >>5240964 >You know, the Lunar Defense Corps is just Toyohime and a dozen kids in space helmets. I can't explain why SHE wouldn't be able to stop moon invaders, but nobody should be considering the rabbits at all. Is it really?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:58:09 2010 No.5240976 >>5240953 Few and smaller. Compare that to the firestorm that gets sparked any time someone asks why girls wear pants now.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 01:59:09 2010 No.5240981 File: 306 KB, 700x700, 2c2fcb1aeefa33d4562993c4ffbc4558.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The one on the right is faster than Aya.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:00:09 2010 No.5240989

>>5240975
That's the impression I got from SSiB/CiLR. There ain't many of them and they look and act like kids.

Granted there may have been a better crop of them before they got their asses killed last time, but it's been decades since so I'm not sure all that daily training amounts to much.

Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ Sat May 29 02:00:09 2010 No.5240991
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>>5240968
I don't recall her being particularly bitchy to anyone. Remilia was the one who was trying to brag and show off.

Can't sisters eat peaches, do rabbits, and have hot incest in peace?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:01:09 2010 No.5240993 >>5240981 I'm going to need some source on such a statement. Also >185 posts >powerlevel trolling Good ole /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:01:09 2010 No.5240994 >>5240981 at least aya's not a rape victim

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:01:09 2010 No.5240999 >>5240994 can't rape the willing bro

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:01:09 2010 No.5241000 >>5240981 No, she's just fast. You have no yardstick to compare her against, and no direct competition between her and Aya.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:02:09 2010 No.5241003 >>5240993 90% of powerlevel discussion are not troll posts actually. It's just pure stupidity.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:03:09 2010 No.5241004

>>5240989

>That's the impression I got from SSiB/CiLR. There ain't many of them and they look and act like kids.

So do most Touhous, especially the ones that can really ruin people's day(i.e. Remilia). I don't see what you're getting at here.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:03:09 2010 No.5241009 >>5241003 >Troll >Stupidity Same thing.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:05:09 2010 No.5241015
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I guess I have no choice but to create one of these for Eirin. You Eirin fans bit off more than you could chew. Though I must confess you took me off guard with this thread. You better be ready, because next time I wont hold back. I'll leave you with the truth:

Shiki > Yukari == Suika >= Yorihime >= Toyohime > Eirin

Hint: there's a reason why Eirin and Kaguya had to flee from the moon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:05:09 2010 No.5241019 >>5241004 Read the latest chapter of CiLR. Also, Remilia acts like a kid who's also a 500 year old vampire.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:05:09 2010 No.5241021 >>5241015 >Shiki > Yukari == Suika >= Yorihime >= Toyohime > Eirin It begins!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:06:09 2010 No.5241023 >>5241015 Because they were exiled, and good citizens have to abide the law?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:06:09 2010 No.5241024 >>5241015 that is old as fuck. hurry up and do a eirin version

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:07:09 2010 No.5241030 >>5241015 See, this is a quality powerlevel post. Now just whip up some fanfiction and you'll be golden.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:08:09 2010 No.5241034 Fun fact: the naruto hentai thread in the front page is better than this.

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:08:09 2010 No.5241037 >>5241034 Infinitely better. At least I'm getting a stiffy from that thread. This thread is just lame, gay, and smells of fat neckbeards.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:08:09 2010 No.5241039 File: 6 KB, 305x336, suwaifu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] suwako is stronger

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:08:09 2010 No.5241041 >>5241015 I dunno, Eirin being weaker than her students strikes me as being wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:08:09 2010 No.5241042 >>5241034 Counterpoint: I just fapped to Alice getting fucked by a dog.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:09:09 2010 No.5241047 >>5240994 >>5240999 stop the rape thing

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:09:09 2010 No.5241051 >>5241034 >Naruto AND hentai?! Where! Typical IN fan's response to Nerooto.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:10:09 2010 No.5241052 >>5241034 Fun fact: your mother just spanked your ass and now it's red swollen.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:10:09 2010 No.5241054 >>5241039 >slutwako.jpg SHAME ON YOU

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:12:09 2010 No.5241071

>>5241051

When I was learning Kyokushin Karate, there was a dude there who watched Naruto. He used to pretend it was lame to impress us, but I knew he wanted to be a Sand Ninja. He used to whisper the attacks they used on the show under his breath when he sparred with me.

I would have pointed and laughed, but he was an ex-boxer, so I was too out of breath from blocking and avoiding his punches to say much.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:12:09 2010 No.5241075 File: 876 KB, 1350x1024, pissed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241054 I believe that upon closer examination you'll see the filename is suwaifu.jpg, not slutwako.jpg, good sir.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:12:09 2010 No.5241078 File: 22 KB, 510x382, powerlevels.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241039 suwako is the stro strngt suwako is the best

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:13:09 2010 No.5241079 >>5241071 Your fiction is so nice. Why can't you replace yourself with a random Touhou and that kid with another?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:14:09 2010 No.5241095 File: 38 KB, 350x501, kanako.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241015 So,in metal gear terms. yuka: hard modo yukari: extreme

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:15:09 2010 No.5241099 >>5241078 Rotate that chart 150 degrees for the truth.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:15:09 2010 No.5241101
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>>5241041
Eirin is more of a nerd than a fighter. If you read every location where she's mentioned in, there's no mentioned of any godly power. She's only powerful relative to her slacker subjects. Also, Eirin lost badly to Reimu in a fair danmaku match. The moonbitch on the other hand bested Remilia, Sakuya, Reimu, and Marisa in a danmaku without breaking a sweat. Until we hear Eirin has the ability to summon gods like the moonbitch, her only powers are medicine and NERD.

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:17:09 2010 No.5241112

>>5241052
Fun fact: I'm responding to this thread with troll comments after seriously posting during the powerlevel discussion while fapping to a crappy H scene I need to get past in ef and reporting threads, also laughing my ass out after seeing responses here. All at the same time, and I was wondering if midnight would be boring...

>>5241071
>but I knew he wanted to be a Sand Ninja
Oh lol'd
I learned kyokushin too by the way, but my teacher wasn't a narutard.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:17:09 2010 No.5241113 Eirin and Kaguya lost to the strongest human and youkai working together.

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:19:09 2010 No.5241125

>>5241112

My Kyokushin teacher was a hardcore weeaboo. He used to insist we used the Japanese terms for things completely unrelated to the martial art, he always ate Japanese cuisine, he flew over there all the time to participate in martial arts tourneys...I used to feel silly about it because as we all know, Japan is Uncool amongst the popular crowd these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:20:09 2010 No.5241133 File: 125 KB, 600x337, 8102909.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241113 >Reimu >strongest human lolno

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:21:09 2010 No.5241142

>>5241015
>Implying she just didn't flee because of Kaguya.

Oh wow, really? Nice try though.

>>5241101
>Eirin lost to Reimu in danmaku

Also, if you read the stroy, that Eirin was holding back to be about equal to Kaguya. Nothing in that fight implies she broke that.

Also, hax sword, doesn't really count.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:22:09 2010 No.5241146 >>5241125 Reported, not you blog

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:22:09 2010 No.5241147 Hirano > Reimu.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:23:09 2010 No.5241154 >>5241146 It's not like it makes a difference, does it?

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:23:09 2010 No.5241155 >>5241146 >>5241146 Report this thread some more, get this eyesore off the first page.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:23:09 2010 No.5241156 Hey Arc, I'd just like you to know that if you made a blog I'd read it every single day.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:23:09 2010 No.5241160 File: 63 KB, 245x274, 4536052718312159a61f416256976e17.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241133 second! second!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:25:09 2010 No.5241174 VIVIT > Shinki > Shiki.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:25:09 2010 No.5241177 >>5241156 Don't forget rude titties

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:25:09 2010 No.5241178 >>5241160 I was surprised.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:25:09 2010 No.5241182 >>5240442 Her power is unrestricted it's

Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:26:09 2010 No.5241189

>>5241156

My life is tremendously boring recently. All the fun things I did were when I was a teenager.

Of course, if you really wanted to read how I posted on 4chan and ate supper for the thousandth time, I would not begrudge you.

>>	Reimu Hakurei !reimu.1aYs Sat May 29 02:29:09 2010 No.5241205 File: 196 KB, 649x744, remiq..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241133 >>5241147 >>5241160

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:31:09 2010 No.5241221 File: 130 KB, 222x356, Hirano_Banshiryuu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241205 Yeah, well fuck you Reimu.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:32:09 2010 No.5241226 File: 202 KB, 891x642, 10391608.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Nobody hates Reimu here, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:32:09 2010 No.5241236 >>5241226 I don't like her and I hate Sanae. Give me Marisa.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:33:09 2010 No.5241242 File: 461 KB, 999x707, bf4461ab646028ffbb47810feca9f32a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241205 >>5241226 Everybody loves reimu

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:35:09 2010 No.5241262 File: 816 KB, 1447x1447, 8246366.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241236 Sorry, an earlier thread showed conclusive proof that Marisa is the worst Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:36:09 2010 No.5241264 >>5241174 VIVIT is overrated, VERY overrated.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:36:09 2010 No.5241267 File: 14 KB, 286x290, everybody-loves-raymond.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241242 everybody loves raymond afterl all

>>	Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 Sat May 29 02:37:09 2010 No.5241274 File: 531 KB, 739x1035, lily01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reimu makes my bathing suit area feel strange when I look at her.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:37:09 2010 No.5241275 >>5241262 oh no. you are that guy?

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:38:52 2010 No.5241280 [DELETED]

>>5241142
>Implying she just didn't flee because of Kaguya.
What? You act as if Kaguya (the immortal) was in great danger! Just face it, she had to flee because she didn't have enough strength to hold back her fellow Lunarians. Eirin realized they couldn't keep hiding from the Lunarians forever, so Eirin (desperately) commenced her moon plan.

>>5241101
>Also, if you read the stroy, that Eirin was holding back to be about equal to Kaguya. Nothing in that fight implies she broke that.
If you actually read their battle you would see the line where Eirin admits her granny body doesn't have enough power to hold off Reimu and Yukari all night.
>I'm afraid I lack the power to do it forever,
>http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Boundary_Team%27s_Scenario_2

When Kaguya appears she ends up having to grant Eirin some of her power in order for her to continue fighting. Kaguya also makes a quick remark about Eirin's incompetence for failing to stop the intruders.
>Eirin, I grant you one more chance with my power.
>Don't you dare lose again...
>You two, human and youkai!
>Eirin's true strength, the medicine made by my power... you will never forget this!!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:39:09 2010 No.5241286 >>5241274 pics?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:40:09 2010 No.5241294 >>5241280 >he thinks Reimu and company's play-acting is proof of anything

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:40:09 2010 No.5241296

>>5241142
>Implying she just didn't flee because of Kaguya.
What? You act as if Kaguya (the immortal) was in great danger! Just face it, she had to flee because she didn't have enough strength to hold back her fellow Lunarians. Eirin realized they couldn't keep hiding from the Lunarians forever, so Eirin (desperately) commenced her moon plan.

>Also, if you read the stroy, that Eirin was holding back to be about equal to Kaguya. Nothing in that fight implies she broke that.
If you actually read their battle you would see the line where Eirin admits her granny body doesn't have enough power to hold off Reimu and Yukari all night.
>I'm afraid I lack the power to do it forever,
>http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Imperishable_Night:_Boundary_Team%27s_Scenario_2

When Kaguya appears she ends up having to grant Eirin some of her power in order for her to continue fighting. Kaguya also makes a quick remark about Eirin's incompetence for failing to stop the intruders.
>Eirin, I grant you one more chance with my power.
>Don't you dare lose again...
>You two, human and youkai!
>Eirin's true strength, the medicine made by my power... you will never forget this!!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:40:09 2010 No.5241297 >>5241264 But VIVIT is so strong she can even beat herself!

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:41:09 2010 No.5241303

>>5241280
Whoa, I can tell that you are not a Eirin fan.

FIrst of all, she was lying, just like Yukari does (like in PoFV), for the sake of Kaguya.

I'm pretty sure her body is probably in perfect condition with her expertise in medicine, and they is no reason to think that she is getting "old" (assuming she did not drink the Hourai Elixer, but that is left up for debate)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:42:09 2010 No.5241312 Eirin is the brain of the moon. The brain. Not the brawn. It's impossible for her to be both at once.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:44:09 2010 No.5241320 File: 57 KB, 800x800, 476.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241296 >Eirin admits her granny body doesn't have enough power to hold off Reimu and Yukari all night. oh god yes...

Anonymous Sat May 29 02:45:09 2010 No.5241329

>>5241303
>Whoa, I can tell that you are not a Eirin fan.
Not really, I'm just procrastinating from work I have to have finished by tomorrow. I just wish we could end this conversation and start it another day when I have more time. What you've seen so far is just random garbage I've pulled out of my ass. (It shouldn't be taken seriously.) Tomorrow the fun will begin.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:45:09 2010 No.5241331 >>5241312 [citation needed]

>>	Satorin Komeiji !!2iqYZrZ3IOK Sat May 29 02:47:09 2010 No.5241342 File: 441 KB, 743x620, Moeshi and Satorin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241329 Oh, I'm a Eirin fan too, we could argue as well~ Who do you think is the strongest then?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:48:09 2010 No.5241352 >>5241331 Narrative Law says that a character described as a brain cannot be good at physical tasks.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:49:09 2010 No.5241362 Who cooks the best burger in Gensokyo? I'm hungry and would like to know which Touhou I should ask to cook me one.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:49:09 2010 No.5241365 >>5241352 On what page?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:50:09 2010 No.5241372 >>5241362 Mokou, Mystia.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:52:09 2010 No.5241383 >>5241352 But battle isn't just about brawn.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:53:09 2010 No.5241399 >>5241383 People like to say that, but when it comes down to it, fights are decided by brawn 9 times out of 10.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:55:28 2010 No.5241424 >>5241399 Not in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:56:09 2010 No.5241431 File: 312 KB, 908x1300, silent_sinner_ch13_20.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241399 Not in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:57:09 2010 No.5241434 >>5241424 Even in Gensokyo, the hardest spellcards are the ones involving physical attacks. That's why the rules say they are not to be repeated.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:57:09 2010 No.5241441 >>5241342 We do not argue in powerlevel threads. We fight until someone dies. Do you want to know why Suigin ended up having to change his trip? Let's just say you don't want to find out. I'm telling you this as a friend, you do not want to go there.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 02:58:09 2010 No.5241452 >>5241372 bird youkai are worst youkai

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:02:09 2010 No.5241477 we are almost there guys, soon this thread will reach bump limit

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:03:09 2010 No.5241494 >>5241452 That's a funny way to spell best.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:04:09 2010 No.5241501 File: 791 KB, 1200x853, beast corps.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241452 You misspelled best!

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:06:09 2010 No.5241517
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>>5241431
Yukari is pretty much the only person in Gensokyo that would have had an incentive to abide by such rules. Yukari is after all, the youkai that a) was rumored to have had a hand in the creation of Gensokyo and b) is the youkai that asked youkai to migrate to Gensokyo. This chapter speculates about Yukari's motives: http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Curiosities_of_Lotus_Asia:_Chapter_25

I just don't understand how/why Eirin, Mokou, and Kaguya lost to Reimu. They had no incentive for losing. And before you say "the main character always wins." Try telling that to the moonbitch that defeated Reimu and a few others without breaking a sweat.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:07:09 2010 No.5241521 File: 2.07 MB, 2000x1298, bird team1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241501 Why did you post a picture of those inferior, non-bird youkai?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:12:09 2010 No.5241543 File: 929 KB, 987x801, tokiko sneaks into rinnosuke's house and wears his clothes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241521 I've wanted to post that picture for a few days and saw a tenuous excuse. Pity it's horribly incomplete. No Tokiko...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:12:09 2010 No.5241546 >>5241517 Reimu's god can't grant her plot armor when she's on the moon.

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:14:09 2010 No.5241561

>>5241517
1.) Mokou "losing" isn't so farfetched, she isn't that crazy powerful. even for an EX.

2.) Kaguya was just testing them to see if they would be able to pass, she only got paritally serious when she found out about the night etc.

3.) Eirin lost because...umm....hmmm....just as planned?

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:14:09 2010 No.5241564

>>5241517
>asked youkai to migrate to Gensokyo
This is alluding to her crushing violent resistance. I've always wondered, why were some youkai so opposed to Gensokyo's existence? Does it harm them in some way if they choose to live outside it (if they can live outside it at all)?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:14:09 2010 No.5241566 >>5241546 FFFFFFFFFFFF That's makes perfect sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:15:09 2010 No.5241571 >>5241546 Yeah, but ZUN can. What now?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:16:09 2010 No.5241581 >>5241571 He had a hangover.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:16:09 2010 No.5241582 File: 1.74 MB, 1800x1013, 9616266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241546 Reimu can't call her own god into her body anyway. They aren't on speaking terms. Pretty pathetic for a miko, eh?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:17:09 2010 No.5241584 >>5241546 Well fuck, there you go.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:18:09 2010 No.5241593 >>5241582 I'm really looking forward to Hakurei poping out of the shrine and beating the shit out of Reimu for being a horrible miko.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:20:09 2010 No.5241603 Hakurei god > Yukari Discuss

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:21:09 2010 No.5241606 >>5241603 Shinki > Hakurei.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:21:09 2010 No.5241608 There is no Hakurei god. All the faith goes directly to the miko. That's why the line is so strong. And that's why Reimu still has her powers, even with the meager faith her shrine receives.

>>	Fujiwara no Mokou !!mGXYMm0qKk/ Sat May 29 03:23:09 2010 No.5241615 File: 624 KB, 1024x768, toyohime1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's this thread about now? Have some more Toyo-tan. Are there any works with Toyohime eating Tenshi's peaches?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:25:09 2010 No.5241634 >>5241608 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:26:09 2010 No.5241639 >>5241608 Except there is a Hakurei god. In one of the endings, Byakuren tells Reimu that the god of her shrine was seriously pissed off at the lack of faith it was receiving.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:26:09 2010 No.5241641 >>5241634 It's in something by Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:28:09 2010 No.5241647 >>5241543 tokiko sneaks into rinnosuke's house and wears his clothes.png That's Keine, dumbass.

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:29:09 2010 No.5241652
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I'll leave the Eirin and moonbitch fans with one last argument. If (big IF) you were able to win in the Yukari vs Eirin debates that will ensue, I'll always be able to fall back on the argument that boundary youkai are a stronger species than Lunarians. As mentioned earlier the Lunarians have been described by ZUN as being humans with advanced science and magic. Despite having a head start for their society (read: millenniums) they still were fighting toe-to-toe with Americans in space. The same Americans that got their independence two centuries ago.

Unlike Yukari and Ran, two beings that have a supercomputer level of intelligence, most Lunarians (such as Kaguya and Toyohime) have a slightly above average level of intelligence. And addressing their power, Yorihime has the power to 'borrow' the power of the gods--while Yukari's innate powers have been described as being on par with the gods. Also, Yukari has shown that learning how to invoke the power of the gods is quite easy. She taught Reimu how to do it in a few hours in SSiB if I'm not mistaken.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:30:09 2010 No.5241657 Speaking of Byakuren, she seems pretty powerful and all, but everyone seems to completely down grade her to stage 5 level, why is that? And Nue is like lolwhat right?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:31:09 2010 No.5241659 >>5241657 Steals from other characters. Only Marisa can do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:33:09 2010 No.5241665 File: 721 KB, 808x586, 7934609.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241647 Multiple people want to wear his clothing... it's not easy being Rinnosuke.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:34:09 2010 No.5241671 File: 405 KB, 1200x1696, ex-masterspark.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241657 Byakuren is extra level.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:36:09 2010 No.5241686 Byakuren is able to use attacks as powerful as Shinki's.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:37:09 2010 No.5241694 >>5241686 three times in a row?

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:38:09 2010 No.5241698

>>5241652
Hey, guess what, ZUN is the omnipotent God of the Touhou universe, and Suika is ZUN's self insert, so she shits on your hag. Whoever wins outside of that is simply based on plot convenience. ZUN is perfectly happy to handwave any character beating any other, regardless of how ridiculous it is, as shown in IaMP and SWR. Fuck your powerlevels.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:38:09 2010 No.5241700 Well if we are discussing Touhou power levels, who could be considered the weakest of the cast? Outside of Rinnosuke of course.

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:39:09 2010 No.5241709

>>5241652
Even though the same Yukari lost against them?

lol okay.

Sure is canon vs canon in here.

Remember this:
>>5235447

Also, if Yukari's power is so absolute, why can't she negate the effects of immortals and kill them by manipulating the boundaries?

If that was the case, she could easily reverse the effects of the Hourai Elixer.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:40:09 2010 No.5241712 >>5241671 >ex-masterspark Yuuka and Marisa's beloved masterspark was disgraced in SSiB. The moonbitch deflected it as if it was a flash light running on cheap brand name batteries.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:41:09 2010 No.5241719 >>5241709 They exist outside of boundaries. It's really weird, but there is literally no way at all to kill them.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:42:09 2010 No.5241724 >>5241712 Marisa knew the risks when she took the mighty laser as her favored attack method. Yuuka has other options.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:43:09 2010 No.5241727 >>5241719 Sounds like Yukari isn't so absolute then. I guess then Immortal > Gods ? Could the Dragon kill them at least?

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:44:09 2010 No.5241729
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>>5241698
ZUN doesn't want extra-level characters in the fighting games because he DOES care about power levels. Except Kero-chan, she gets a free pass because she's his favorite.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:45:09 2010 No.5241732 >>5241727 They can't kill gods either, though, so they're about equal... Could the dragon? That's a good question.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:45:09 2010 No.5241733 >>5241700 Rinnosuke is actually not the weakest of the cast. Its those three fairies that star in there own manga that are the weakest.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:45:09 2010 No.5241734 >>5241729 Right, but Yukari and Yuyuko are fine.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:46:09 2010 No.5241739 Touhou gods are powered by belief, but I wonder if dragons face the same restriction? I'm getting the feeling they don't.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:46:09 2010 No.5241740 >>5241729 And Yukari and Ran and Suika? They were bullshitting you, man, they just didn't have time to put them in.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:46:09 2010 No.5241744 >>5241733 Those three fairies could kick your ass!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:47:09 2010 No.5241746 Kohaku > Rinnosuke.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:47:09 2010 No.5241751 >>5241739 The Dragon is like the god of all the gods right? I'm sure he could pretty much do anything, even kill immortals.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:49:09 2010 No.5241763 >>5241751 Dragon > Yahweh.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:50:09 2010 No.5241769 Woohoo autosage!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:50:09 2010 No.5241775 File: 120 KB, 800x764, 998927.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241751 There are multiple dragons, bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:51:09 2010 No.5241780 >>5241763 Eastern gods =/= Western god The dragon is not the creator of the universe.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:51:09 2010 No.5241784 >>5241775 She is a messenger from the Dragon's palace.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:53:09 2010 No.5241794 http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Dragon

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:55:09 2010 No.5241807 File: 247 KB, 720x960, 8284502.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241784 Yes? I didn't say she was a dragon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 03:58:09 2010 No.5241815 >>5241807 Alright. But there's only one Dragon.

Anonymous Sat May 29 03:58:09 2010 No.5241817

>>5241698
>Hey, guess what, ZUN is the omnipotent God of the Touhou universe, and Suika is ZUN's self insert,
Suika and Shiki are debatable, but they're not the ones we're talking about. Also, any info you can find of ZUN saying Suika is the the strongest/unbeatable I'll find two that says Yukari is the strongest/unbeatable. In PM, Ran's article said she was the strongest. It also said Ran and Yukari together are an unbeatable peer. Then in BAJR, Ran said she was invincible when following Yukari's commands. Also in BAJR, Yukari said when Ran follows her orders Ran receives powers on par with her own. "With such power it would be impossible for Ran to lose." Your Suika argument has been negated by my brute amount of canon. Citation:
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Ran
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Ran_Yakumo
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Article_and_Interview:_Yukari

>>5241709
>Even though the same Yukari lost against them?
Yukari didn't lose to the moonbitches. In SSiB, her surrender was a part of her plan. Also, when she sent youkai to attack the moon a few years ago, she (herself) did not fight.

>Also, if Yukari's power is so absolute, why can't she negate the effects of immortals and kill them by manipulating the boundaries?
Yukari's powers are most likely capable of doing anything. But the time, concentration, and energy it takes to do such things is speculation. Hence the reason why it takes Yukari a lot of time to fix Gensokyo's border whenever it gets weakened.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:00:09 2010 No.5241830
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>>5241815
No, there's got to be multiple dragons. They have their own language. Why would that be the case if there was not more than one?

I'll give you that there's only one dragon god, though. That's a fact: only one dragon created Gensokyo and only one dragon is worshipped in the human village.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:01:09 2010 No.5241832 >>5241817 No, Yukari's powers are capable of manipulating all boundaries. There excludes things that generally fall under Kaguya's domain.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:01:09 2010 No.5241836 >>5241830 We're talking about the Dragon, not dragons.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:03:09 2010 No.5241846

>>5241817
>Yukari didn't lose to the moonbitches. In SSiB, her surrender was a part of her plan.

Merely your theory, no one knows why Yukari did what she did.

>Yukari's powers are most likely capable of doing anything. But the time, concentration, and energy it takes to do such things is speculation.

So I guess the eternal suffering that they have to go through doesn't mean anything at all the Yukari? Pretty heartless of her if she could do something about it. Also, it is said in IN that the Hourai Elixer removes the user from all boundaries, so no boundaries = no Yukari hax.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:05:09 2010 No.5241862 File: 56 KB, 383x383, sanae.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] mom, it's too late! c'mon back to bed~

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:05:09 2010 No.5241865 File: 245 KB, 600x700, 6710814.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5241836 I'm just saying that there could be more than one dragon with a comparable power level to the Dragon, that's all.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:07:09 2010 No.5241874

>>5241846
Huh? It's pretty clear Yukari intended to surrender from the start. She even says so herself. It's also clear that she did it because a fight would seriously wreck shit in Gensokyo, and she did not want that to happen because Gensokyo is her baby.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:07:09 2010 No.5241878 >>5241865 Something like that wouldn't go unmentioned.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:08:09 2010 No.5241884 >>5241874 No, it's clear that she wouldn't stand a chance against either of them and she knows it.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:12:09 2010 No.5241905

>>5241817
>物理的な空間だけでなく、絵の中や夢の中、物語の中にも移動する事も
出来るという。
>If there were no boundaries, everything would probably exist as a single enormous object.
>Thus, the ability to manipulate boundaries is an ability of logical creation and destruction.
>It essentially creates a new being, or denies the existence of a being.
>Among the abilities youkai are known to possess, this is one of most dangerous, being even comparable to the power of gods.
>It's said that this ability is not limited to physical space, but also applies to pictures, others' dreams, and even stories.
Yukari can technically make up boundaries that don't physically exist. We've seen her manipulate the boundaries between life and the afterlife. We've heard ZUN say she has the ability to manipulate abstract concepts such as stories, fairytales, and even dreams. Remember, things like fairytales and dreams technically don't exist (i.e., they're just human constructs), yet Yukari is still able to manipulate them. Some suggested Yukari would stand no chance against Kaguya because she's boundless.
>とにかく、境界の能力には防御法も弱点も一切存在しい。
>In any case, there is not a single defense against or weak point in the ability to manipulate boundaries.
Yukari could just "make up" boundaries to defeat someone that has no boundaries.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:17:09 2010 No.5241942 >>5241884 Now you're just getting desperate. Take it easy. Yukari was just messing around and you know it. Reread SSiB if you have to. I doubt you've even read it. Shall I quiz you on its ending.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:20:09 2010 No.5241964 >>5241905 "Make up" Boundaries? That's stretching it kinda far. IF that was the case, she might as well be the creator of the universe since she could probably "make up" a boundary to defeat the dragon. I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:31:09 2010 No.5242030 >>5241942 I have read it, though I haven't read CiLR. Yukari says herself that she wouldn't stand a chance in combat, and that was accounted for in her plans.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:31:09 2010 No.5242035
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I just don't know what anybody could see in the moonbitches--maybe Eirin but the moonbitches? ZUN followed the cliche tradition of introducing a new character that manages to defeat all of the canon characters. As some Anons suggested when they first read SSiB, it looked like something you would see on fanfiction.net. "Herp, derp, this male character I created is level 999, he has every magic attack ever, and is all powerful. Even powerfuller than TTGL, being piloted by Accelerator and Flash."

Yukari on the other hand is truthfully a one of a kind character in a sea of characters. Her boundary hax is something that not even I, a person that's been participating in powerlevel threads since my youth would have thought of. When have you ever heard of a person who has the power to manipulate boundaries? It's brilliant. Yuka, Eirin, and even Suika's powers were been there done that. Just the fact that ZUN was able to create a character like Yukari made me realize how much of a genius he was.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:31:09 2010 No.5242036 File: 2 KB, 128x128, Th05shinki.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Abilities: Unknown I have every single ability in Touhou combined, discuss.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:32:09 2010 No.5242043 tl;dr >this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:33:09 2010 No.5242047 >>5242030 Twas sarcasm my friend. She even had a smirk on her face while saying it.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:33:09 2010 No.5242052
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>>5241878
How would anyone know? People very very rarely see dragons. Except Iku, and she'd never tell.

It's clear that there are multiple dragons because they have a language, and there's no reason to believe that one dragon is godlike and all the rest are wimps.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:35:09 2010 No.5242066 >>5242047 The smirk was because it was just as keikaku.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:38:09 2010 No.5242083 >>5242052 Even for Ran, something like making a language is pretty effortless. It could be just for show.

>>	Satorin Komeiji !!2iqYZrZ3IOK Sat May 29 04:44:09 2010 No.5242119 >>5242066 Agreed

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:45:09 2010 No.5242122 >>5242083 That's true, and the idea of a single asshole dragon god is amusing... Be a pretty lonely Dragon, though.

Anonymous Sat May 29 04:48:09 2010 No.5242137
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A funny thing about the moonbitch is that she's nothing more than a summoner. Since her innate powers were (uber) inefficient, she relied on the power of the gods to fight against Reimu and the gang.

In such a situation it wouldn't be a battle against Yukari and moonbitch, it would be a battle against Yukari and the moonbitch's gods. But I guess that was the way it was meant to be. (After all, Yukari is the only youkai whose power has been described as being on par with the gods.) All Yukari would have to do is find a way of killing the moonbitch before she gets a chance to summon. But with a pan-dimensional being like Yukari, finding a place to hide while looking for an opening would be easy. Watch this video, then realize Yukari could hide in the 5th dimension and look at the moonbitch's attacks from afar. Oh, and since it's the 5th dimension she would be able to see all probabilities of the moonbitch's actions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDaKzQNlMFw

Yukari could attack the moonbitch but the moonbitch would not be able to see, hear, smell, or touch Yukari (let alone attack her). One last thing, I love it how you keep jumping from Eirin to moonbitch whenever you run out of arguments. Pick one and let's do this.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:50:09 2010 No.5242146 >>5242137 There's a god for every boundary that can be manipulated.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:53:09 2010 No.5242162 >>5242137 It's over. It's the goddamn Yukari. You cant defeat her. Just go home.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:57:09 2010 No.5242176 >>5242162 ORT can kill Yukari.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 04:59:09 2010 No.5242189 File: 400 KB, 700x2144, 1242676248207.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anybody have the Yukari version of this. I lost it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:00:09 2010 No.5242193 It's super-easy for Eirin to beat Yukari. Simply poison her when she isn't expecting it. It shouldn't be necessary, but if Kaguya helps make the poison, it would have no boundary for Yukari to manipulate.

Anonymous Sat May 29 05:09:09 2010 No.5242235

>>5242193
ZUN said you could dice a youkai up into tiny pieces and they'd still survive. ZUN then went on to say youkai are only weak to spiritual/holy attacks. Such as faith and shinto/buddha chants. If by poison you meant something spiritual then yes. It is their *only kryptonite.

Citation:
>Youkai have more robust bodies than humans, so even if they're split into five, they heal right away.
>In extermination, one does not use weapons that cause physical damage; weapons with an "origin" are more preferable.
>Youkai are weak to spiritual attacks such as names or traditions.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Encyclopedia:_Presence

With the exception of Kaguya, Lunarians don't have such invulnerable bodies.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:14:09 2010 No.5242251 >>5242235 ZUN said youkai get sick. ZUN said Eirin can cure youkai sickness with her medicine. If she wanted to make a poison that could put a youkai down, that youkai is going down. Maybe not permanently, but for a good long while.

Anonymous Sat May 29 05:16:09 2010 No.5242263
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>>5242235
>Faster than the eye can follow, strong enough to crush boulders, powerful enough to manipulate demons, she's so strong it's almost not fair, so she doesn't care much for subtle technique. She may be weak against sunlight, but she has a pretty strong constitution, so as long as some bit of her still remains, say, a little bat, she can regenerate any time.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Remilia#Immaterial_and_Missing_Power_-_.E4.B8.8A.E6.B5.B7.E3.82.A2.E3.8
3.AA.E3.82.B9.E9.80.9A.E4.BF.A1.txt

Humans and Lunarians are no match for youkai. Remi alone could have defeated the moonbitch had she not exploited her weakness to light. Not even the beast youkai of the moon are a match for the youkai of Gensokyo. Reisen is one of the few youkai ZUN explicitly stated had low agility and speed. The lunarians are only strong because they rely on their science.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:20:09 2010 No.5242282 >>5242263 You mean Eirin's science. They can't invent anything to save their lives without her.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:23:09 2010 No.5242294 Canon: Reisen or moon rabbit is not lunarian.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:28:09 2010 No.5242315 If youkai are so great, how come rival Lunarian factions haven't hired one as an assassin to take out Eirin or the moonbitches in the past? It's inconceivable that they'd have no enemies willing to assassinate them.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:30:09 2010 No.5242332 >>5242315 The moon is just one giant orgy of lesbian lovin' and bunny fucking. Why would they want to assassinate each other?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:31:09 2010 No.5242337 >Humans and Lunarians are no match You obviously don't know a jack shit about what gensokyo was build for.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:35:09 2010 No.5242352 >>5242337 Correction. The lunarians and humans are no match without their trickery.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 05:37:09 2010 No.5242361 >>5242332 I dunno, an attempt to seize power? That's the usual reason for assassinations.

>>	suigin !mercury/qA Sat May 29 09:01:11 2010 No.5242361,1 >>5240837,1 i would but >Wow, after years of kicking Suigin's ass you never kicked my ass, battler all you did was disprove something I never ever said and pasted it all over the site

>>	Anonymous Sat May 29 13:31:16 2010 No.5242361,2 >>5242361,1 But that wasn't me. This >>5241441 on the other hand was me however.

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