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[Anonymous No.]

Metal Gear Seakats where?

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5017234
It's episode 6, fitting that they only translated SIX percent!

DOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO

;__;

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017239
That's what you get when crazy people are the ones translating your shit.

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>>5017234
Think about it. Episode 7 is going to come out, it's going to have scenes of Kyrie, Jessica, Shannon, Rudolf, Battler, and everyone breaking down in one spectacular way or the other, and we'll STILL be waiting on the translation for 6. Maybe Witch Hunt IS run by Valve....

[Anonymous No.]

It's actually somewhere between 25% and 50%.

It's definitely at least 25%, cause the Gamefaqs guys are that far.

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>>5017263

Or wait, it'd be between 31% and 50%, cause of the 6% WH has done.

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>>5017263
Yeah, it's advancing nicely.
Still better than most translation groups if you check the length.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017267
Nope, the at least 25% was adding their combined effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017263
Well, so long as we get it before episode 7, I'll be happy. Heck, I guess we are a bit spoiled, I mean, F/HA isn't even translated yet, is it?

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>>5017272
Accept taht that has a 1% a week at most, at least needs another year.

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>>5017274
You mean F/HA? I don't really care about that, but out of curiosity why IS it taking a longtime?
Type Moon fans seem pretty into the Nasuverse, I am kinda shocked that F/HA would go untranslated for so long...

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>>5017290
The translator was stalled at 25% for a long time, then it ressurrected, but still the progress is slooooow, no idea why.

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>>5017262
> it's going to have scenes of Kyrie, Jessica, Shannon, Rudolf, Battler, and everyone breaking down in one spectacular way or the other,

Fuck yes, I'm expecting the same thing. I wanna see Jessica cry bitch tears as "Kanon" kills her, I want to see Kyrie go into a psycopathic yandere rage and shoot Eva, I wanna see Battler... well actually he'll cry regardless, and I want to see Shannon act completely freaking bonkers. Love is dead, bring in the grimdark.

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>>5017271

Gamefaqs guy here.

Nope, as of right now, we alone have about 25%ish done.

So he's right, it's between 31% and 50%. We don't actually know how much WH have done aside from the 6% on there, other than 'they're working on it' and 'they don't want us to do chapters 1-5'.

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>>5017312
>Jessica crying bitch tears
No, she'll be laughing maniacally while she kills BAttler with Kyrie and Shkanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017336
That's great news then, at least 1/3 of the game is done already.
You guys are awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017336
You know? Fuck them. Fuck em.
Just start working on chapters 1-5 in secret, and so when Chrnotrig inevitably has a nervous breakdown, you guys can bust out the chapters and get this shit done with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017298
Even love plus dialogue translatioon is going faster, 21.3%

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>>5017349
Isn't it better to focus on chapters you know they aren't being worked on so you have less work?

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>>5017337
See, Zach, we're still missing part of the puzzle. I know, my coffee told me so. Jessica, is she from heaven or from hell? I'm pretty much sure she's a goddess of goodness. Shannon, Kanon, George, all three were willing to kill, but not Jessica. Jessica could not even kill a stranger, Kyrie, without being possessed by a demon. In almost every sense, she's pure.

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>>5017234
Time taken: ~5 months
6%
ETA: ~83 months / ~7 years

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>>5017362
Well, obviously. But if you finish your work and feel like you can(and want to) translate 1-5, don't let the nutties stop you.

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>>5017365
I refuse to believe so, Jessica just looks to me as a wicked person taht uses excuses to kill, like 'possesed by a demon' (like having other personality, but I won't delve into that).

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>>5017394
Excuses? I don't know man. I mean, don't get me wrong, Ryukushi has kinda stuck her in the middle of a ton of bullshit, but I believe Jessica will be a bro in the end, a bro all along.

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>>5017394
That's because you lack love.

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>>5017413
I don't want another Mion, yesw Jessica is stuck in a lot of shit, so I want something about her.
For example, her being the 2nd Battler, which is plausible.

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>>5017416
It's because I have love that I don't take it as a red herring.

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>>5017416
*Note well that love may have several unintended side effects, including, but not limited to, chronic crossdressing, murder most foul, ponies and lack thereof, believing in witches, pushing servants off of cliffs, being a yandere, imprisoning a blonde woman in a house and raping her for years, and unhealty obsession with military grade explosives.

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>>5017424
Well, bro, look at it this way. Jessica doesn't have to be the second Battler or Beatrice to be important or explain her oddities in the mystery. She could just be a good guy troll. It makes sense in context.

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>>5017437
I hate that whole love angle. When Beatrice shot people in the face with a gun, and stuffed their bodies full of candy, how can you possibly try to build her up as some goddess of love?

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>>5017459
Yandere love is the purest form of love

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>>5017459
She's framed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017476
That's not even yandere, that's just pointless destruction. Seriously, if R07 makes Beato the culprit I will be dissapoint.

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>>5017497
Wait. We are talking about Beato?

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>>5017491
One can hope, but still.
Consider the following:

What is the purpose of Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice inhabiting the same body? Oh, yes, yes, I know the story explanation, Shannon has DID, yadayada. But from a story telling angle, the purpose is to dodge the red text in a sense. Kanon can die, and he can kill Jessica in one fell swoop, Shannon and Kanon can both pull off author assisted fake deaths, in a sense. Sure, the personas are dead, but in the end of the day, you have a body wandering around that can go around killing people without being limited like all the other pieces are.

So, Beatrice IS the culprit. The whole purpose of Shkanontrice is that very fact itself.

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>>5017549
Well, considering one of the musicbox songs is Absolution, I think Beato's going to be forgiven. Fuckcunts.

[Anonymous No.]

PieceBeato =! MetaBeato

PieceBeato (Shkanontrice/Kyrietrice/Jessitrice/etc, you add your favorite variant) is part of the shady scheme.
MetaBeato is a scapegoat.

Keep it simple anon.

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>>5017563
Oh, music boxes... even they defend the moon theory.

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>>5017549
>implying Shkannontrice is true
...
Also there are at least 2 Beatos. One represent Battler's love and other - the culprit/world's rules/etc.

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>>5017564
Can't be that simple, I'm afraid. Beatrice in episode 6 distinctly inherits a memory from Shannon. And even so, even if you made the case for them being both completely different identities, Meta-Beatrice is quite self righteous about Piece Beatrice.

Heck wait fuck that, episode 5, remember, the whole liar speech? The bitches are one and the same.

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>>5017585
You can have Beatrice be forgiven and have Jessica be innocent, you know. One doesn't mean the other.

Although with Jessica, if Shkanontrice is true and if Jessica is innocent, well, ironically enough, she's the same type of martyr we percieved Beato to be at the end of episode 5.

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>>5017605
The thing is it's IMPOSSIBLE that Jessica hasn't noticed taht her best friend is also her love interest.
There's suspension of disbelief, then this.

[Anonymous No.]

There is also medium theory.

one person on the island channels spirits. In each episode this person meets with Maria while being in disguise as the dead person. So episode 1- 3 Beato ghost, episode 4 Kinzo Ghost, episode 5 Erika Ghost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017592
The one who represents love works with the one who represents murder. Thus supporting murder. Not really selling me here, bro.

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>>5017620
>taht
Stop that, my OCD senses are going off. With Jessica, it seems impossible, but, consider the following: She could just be insane herself.

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>>5017621
No foreshadowing, also that's fucking retarded.

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The two people to die most reguarly in the question arcs is Rudolf & Krauss who die three times.
Rosa, Natsuhi, Kyrie, Eva, Hideyoshi, Genji & Gohda die twice.
Kumasawa, Kanon, Shannon & Kinzo die once.
Battler, Maria, Jessica, George, Nanjo never die in the first twilight.
Does this mean the most important twilight is the first or the least? I can't work it out.

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>>5017636

Then explain Natsuhi. She schedules the servants work, handles their pay, etc.

Plus when she gathered everyone to tell them how to act about Kinzo being dead...

She'd have to be in on it too.

Again, there's suspension of disbelief, and then there's Shkanontrice.

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>>5017636
If she's insane, that means she's aiding the culprits.
Also don't just give 'she's insane', there's the fact that Jessica covered Shannon's 'death' in ep1 adn was the last person to see Kanon alive in said episode with Nanjo.
Now tell me there aren't enough reasons to suspect her at least as an accomplice at least in ep1.

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>>5017622
Maybe she has her reasons to do so.

[Anonymous No.]

It was Genji, you retards.

[Anonymous No.]

The two people to die most reguarly in the question arcs is Rudolf & Krauss who die three times.
Rosa, Natsuhi, Kyrie, Eva, Hideyoshi, Genji ,Gohda & Shannon die twice.
Kumasawa, Kanon & Kinzo die once.
Battler, Maria, Jessica, George, Nanjo never die in the first twilight.
Does this mean the most important twilight is the first or the least? I can't work it out.

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>>5017654
Natsuhi knows, of course, there's no reason she wouldn't know. But Kinzo is probably part of it as a whole so she probably just does as 'he' says. That or she's dellusional, she has foreshadowing to have imaginary friends.

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>>5017657
>Jessica covered Shannon's 'death' in ep1
What?

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>>5017672

So then everyone on the island, except maybe Krauss, know?

Then why the hell do NONE of them saying anything at all when people start dying and only one of Shannon/Kanon 'die'? That would be a huge red flag that something is going on with them.

It's official, Shkanontrice is on the same level of retarded as 'everyone is in on it'.

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>>5017564
PieceBeato=!Beatrice

PieceBeato is Natsuhi's delusion, the one being killed in EP3 by Evatrice, the one who fought Battler in EP4

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>>5017680
If Jessica knows that Shannon=Kanon, she knows there's absolutely no way for her corpse to be there.

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>>5017657
The only way she "covered" Shannon's death was by trusting Hideyoshi. I'll grant you the point with Kanon, but Nanjo easily could have tricked her, he's her trusted family doctor affter all.

I don't know, I mean NO fantasy scenes show Jessica with any malicious intent. Seriously NONE OF THEM do that.

[Anonymous No.]

Jessica doesn't have to be a troll, crazy, or a culprit. Your only "evidence" is the Battler phone call, and there are other explanations for that...I really just don't see her as being anything more than a confused teenage girl...

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>>5017686
Well, you can make an argument for Krauss and Natsuhi. Jessica is just the point where the stupidity reaches critical mass, if she's best friends with both of them for three years, no way in hell she could not know they were the same person. ...Unless she was crazy.

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>>5017686
Kumasawa, Genji and Nanjo have been repeteadetely suspected that they are part of the culprit team. That's it.
Krauss may not know about it since he travels a lot and never pays attention to the servants, that's a better reason. i've already talked about Natsuhi, but she's by far the weirdest of them all.

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>>5017694
>I don't know, I mean NO fantasy scenes show Jessica with any malicious intent. Seriously NONE OF THEM do that.

Ep6 even outright says in one line in chapter 9 or 10 (during the fights) 'But Jessica believed that even if they were just pieces, their lives should be spared' in narration.

[Anonymous No.]

EP5 shows that some sort of kidnapping plot is at work (Krauss being the target), who benifits from Krauss being out the way?

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>>5017665
Play with red about ep1 and you've got Rosa dying only once in ep3. And she's never staked along with Battler and Maria. It's just coincidence.

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>>5017706

Then what about Gohda?

Again, this whole theory is nine levels of retard.

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>>5017695
That's not the only evidence, my good sir. The other evidence is the fact that she apparently thinks one person is two different people. If that's not crazy, then what is?

Seriously, if you had close relationships with two people, and they're the same person, and you think they are two different people, you are insane. No if ands or buts about it, you're loony.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok so what are the murder weapons? (i think the hat stand is one of them)

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>>5017721

Circular logic is circular, and doesn't prove anything.

You need to prove Jessica has evidence for being insane WITHOUT relying on Shkanontrice, because it goes without saying she's insane if Shkanontrice is true.

But if you can't provide hints otherwise, it's just a circular argument and bad logic.

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>>5017721

You can't base evidence on a theory. Then you end up with a long string of "If this is true, then this, then this, then this..."

Shkanon has not been confirmed. Nor has it been narrowed down to being the "only solution." Nor is it necessarily the "most likely solution." Stop stating it as fact.

In other words, present CLUES.

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>>5017721
Yeah, pretty damn crazy she be. But then again, can't blame her for playing A GAME OF PRETEND.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017739
inb4 THAT CLOSED ROOM

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>>5017732
Kinzo's modified Winchesters, that's why he's a dragon in ep4, he is Pendragon, the creator of the Siestas.
That and those paperweights made in USA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017745

HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>5017747
Ok so where are the winchesters kept & the paper weights & who has access to them?

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>>5017733
>>5017739
Wait, what? That's bullshit, of course I can. That's like saying I can't rely on Kyrie being a yandere to be insane.

Yeah, if Shkanon isn't true, then Jessica isn't insane. Sure, that's fine with me. But Shkanon is true, you morons. That's the entire point of episode 6. And before you try saying Erika is imaginary or whatever, realize that if Shkanon isn't true, almost all of episode 6 should be disregarded. You know, that thing that Ryukushi DOESN'T want us to do?

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>>5017754

Logic courses. Take them.

>That's like saying I can't rely on Kyrie being a yandere to be insane.

And horrible analogy is horrible.

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>>5017753
Winchesters: Kinzo's study, teh same place they're found on previous episodes, anyone with a key (Genji and Natsuhi) has access to them.
Paperwights: these are probably needed for the epitaph following the b0mb theory, but still they should be pretty easy to see, can't tell you where though, maybe at Kuwadorian or somewhere in the tunnel.

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>>5017754

http://ksuweb.kennesaw.edu/~shagin/logfal-pbc-circular.htm

It's a logical fallacy. You're supporting your own argument WITH your own argument, which can't be taken as evidence.

If the only evidence of Kyrie being a yandere is that you say she acts crazy and it's not proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, yes, that IS bad logic.

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>>5017754

Here we go, it's useless, it's all useless.

Knox's 9th! Observers are allowed to hold their own interpretations. This is my answer, my blue truth!


Shannon and Kanon are seperate people! Therefore, the love duel represents a real, physical conflict between Shannon, who is also Beatrice, and Kanon, who wants his sister back! This is supported by the fact that Kanon has a direct confrontation with Beatrice in Episodes 1, 2, and 3 as well! Erika does not exist! The red text referring to her being inside a room refers to her corpse! The red text referring to Erika "knowing" something refers to the player, Erika, the Witch of Truth! The closed room is solvable without Shkanon!

Sayo was previously shown as shooting Kanon with the flintlock pistol! Kanon runs into the closed room hide, and closes the chain! This is why Beatrice included the "whether or not it was intentional" clause, as Kanon was unaware of Battler's presence! He hid in the closet, but died of his injuries! That way, KANON DOES NOT EXIST IN THE GUEST ROOM!

Your move.

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>>5017754
>You know, that thing that Ryukushi DOESN'T want us to do?
I can use the same argument. Ryukushi said this is a mystery novel. There should be no "just fucking crazy" characters, DIDs and "for lulz" motives in a mystery novel. Ryukushi wants us to enjoy his masterpiece, not disgrace it with that bullshit.

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>>5017765
I don't give a fuck about your shitty community college level logic courses. If Shkanon is real, then Jessica is either crazy, or malicious. If not, then hey, as I said, sure, she's not crazy, but considering that Shkanon is the point of episode 6, I think it's rather silly to dismiss it.

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>>5017732
Potential murder weapons in Natsuhi's room in episode 2 are a letter opener, a Shinto mirror, and a fountain pen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017782

So you admit you have no argument.

Okay. Good to know I was arguing with an idiot instead of someone I can take seriously.

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>>5017780
Oh, so you assume that if a person dies, he does not exist in a room?

Sorry, no die. Jessica's locked room scenario in episode 2 clearly disproves that. Jessica is counted as being present in the room, and yet she's clearly dead. Your attempts at bending words are ultimately futile.

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>>5017766
So only a person with access to Kinzo room can use the guns, the stakes are unaccounted for.
I personally believe the stakes are just for show rather a weapon, with the hat stand being the actual weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017786
Damn i forgot about all those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017796
Isn't the hat stand in the cousins' room?
It'd be impossible, but agreed on the stakes, they look more like cermonial tools that are used after doing the hole, like EVA did in ep3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017794

Heh, sorry.

"Ushiromiya Kinzo does not exist" has been proclaimed in red multiple times. Kinzo's corpse certainly exists. But Kinzo himself is dead! Therefore, a precedent for "nonexistence = death" has been set!

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>>5017794

No, 'Jessica's corpse' and 'the corpse of Jessica' is said to be in the room.

Nothing about 'Jessica is in the room'.

There are numerous times where Kinzo is referred to as 'not existing' in the red, however, and Kinzo's corpse is also referred to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017805
Nope, 'the corpse of' is never said in red.
The thing geos: XXXX are in the room, also [the corpse of] jessica is in the room, she's counting her as a person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017766
Considering that many servants probably had access to the study, because they were trying to simulate Kinzo's life, they could have stolen the guns anytime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017805
read it again, jessicas corpse is not referenced in red

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017803
There's more than one.
Ep4: Ushiromiya Battler, you are all alone on this island, in red.
But there are many corpses in the island, so they are unaccounted as people there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017814
># When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room

Yes it was.

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>>5017790
Hm? Well, whatever. I understand you want to call me out for circular logic, but even that's flawed.

I'm not using circular logic, I'm assuming Shkanon is true and using that as evidence to support the fact that Jessica is crazy. There's a difference. I admitted that if Shannon and Kanon were two different people Jessica would be sane, because she would. But, however, if they are two different people, she has to either be malicious or crazy. For all your condescending derisions, you really haven't been able to show how that is not a valid opinion.


So yeah, I think it's silly to assume Jessica is just a "normal, confused" girl if Shkanon is true. If not, go wild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017815
Only Genji, Natsuhi, Kanon & Shannon can enter Kinzos room it seems (can Kanon & Shannon enter without Genji?)

[Anonymous No.]

AND red text has proven time and time again that context is accounted for when they're saying it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017826

Except when I said "Give me evidence Jessica's crazy" you said "Shkanon." I wasn't talking about Shkanon. I was talking about Jessica. You can't assume your own theory is true when someone asks you for justification.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017814
Red is highly context-dependent. You can't rely on a naked red.

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm not using circular logic, I'm assuming Shkanon is true and using that as evidence to support the fact that Jessica is crazy.

My god you just don't stop. "I'm not using circular logic because I'm not using circular logic."

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017833
They shouldn't be able to, only two keys exist, one for Genji and one for Kinzo/Natsuhi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017803
Well, then, good Battler RPfag, explain Jessica's locked room, a clear contradiction to your statement. How can she be counted as existing in the room, and yet at the same time be dead? Surely Battler checked her body and found that it was dead, her corpse was said in red and yet she still existed as one of the people in the room. So, your theory doesn't hold water, unless you can explain this contradiction. If being dead would mean not existing, then Beatrice wouldn't have had to add Jessica's name in the locked room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017839
No, circular logic would be the following:

JESSICA IS CRAZY BECAUSE SHKANON IS TRUE BECAUSE JESSICA IS CRAZY

What I am doing is this: Jessica is crazy because Shkanon is true. Jessica being crazy is a result of Shkanon being true, and I'm admitting that if Shkanon were not true Jessica would not be crazy. The evidence behind Shkanon being true is in episode 1-6. I'm just logically showing how if Shkanon is true, that Jessica is crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017841
She is not referred as the 'person', but as the 'corpse'. No problems here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017841
Battler didn't check her body, just looked from afar.
>>5017838
This explains it quite well that he 'assumed' that she was dead because he saw her body.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017840
Ok so EP1 Natsuhi gets ONE gun then we can assume she locked the room, EP2 Genji & Rosa got a gun (why did Rosa claim he was alive?), Ep3 Natsuhi got the guns.
EP4 guns it would seem are only used during the first twilight (Gohda & Kumasawa witness account).

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017847

You have no idea what circular logic is, so stop trying to say you're not doing it when you clearly are.

You cannot use your own theory (Shkanontrice) to back up your own theory (Jessica is nuts). Use something FROM THE TEXT to prove Jessica is crazy that cannot be interpreted another way and doesn't have mountains of evidence against it.

If you can't, you have no argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017841

Red text is context-sensitive, it modifies the text said around it. Because it was implied that Jessica's corpse was what she meant by Jessica, she can say it in red.

Furthermore, Beatrice adds "Therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that you were not aware of." Battler believed Jessica was dead, so he couldn't be aware of her. It flat-out says "sonzai shinai," just like the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017847

Have you played episode 6 ? have you? Or are you just repeating the shitty nonsense like most of the people that Shkannon is true. Most of your hintes in the episodes before that can be easily seen differently and most make only sense with the even more hideous Shkannontrice and with twists common sense and logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017867
What? Why can't I? Say Shkanon turns out to be true, why can't you conclude that Jessica is crazy? And must I say it once more, I acknowledge fully that Jessica need not be crazy if Shkanon isn't true.

I mean, for an example....

Bob in the adventures of Bob and Steve talks to Steve all the time and goes bowling with him. In the end, Steve is revealed to be a stationary lamp post.

Even though there's no text explictly saying Bob is crazy, we can still realize that Bob is crazy because Steve is a lamp post.

Oh, and please, this isn't a Lincoln Douglas debate round, cut the crap, will you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017877
>no humans exist that you were not aware of
Actually, "no humans exist that you were not aware of" part is related to unknown people on the island.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017909

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017901
It just becomes a silly pointless story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017877
If you're going to invoke so much word play, you most likely aren't on the right track.

You're basically assuming that Ryukushi wrote episode 6 to violently throw everyone off. When, in the end, everything in episode 6, from the dialogues of Kanon and Shannon(The duel, the fact that if one leaves the island the other would have to, the fact that they share the same bed, etc...), the discussion of what IS a person, and the nature of the episode itself is just all filler.

And I don't quite think that's the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>What? Why can't I?

Repeat it with me: Because. You. Aren't. Arguing. Anything. Otherwise.

You're not providing any evidence that other people can see or agree to, and you aren't actually making any points. You're sitting there saying "I'm right because I'm right", which is the definition of circular logic.

Make points. Provide evidence. Come back when you do that.

>Bob in the adventures of Bob and Steve talks to Steve all the time and goes bowling with him. In the end, Steve is revealed to be a stationary lamp post.

>Even though there's no text explictly saying Bob is crazy, we can still realize that Bob is crazy because Steve is a lamp post.

The difference here is that, as you say, it's revealed in the story that Steve is a lamp post. Neither Shkanontrice nor Jessica being crazy has been revealed in the story.

Your analogy would be better if it was 'Bob goes bowling with Steve every week. I say Steve isn't actually a human and is actually a lamp post, because Bob is crazy. Bob is obviously crazy, because Steve is a lamp post.'

It doesn't follow logically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017934

I don't think you've read the Episode.

The 'Kanon and Shannon share a bed' thing is not in Ep6. At all. Try again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017934
I have never seen any thing in episode 6 saying Kanon and Shannon share the same bed. I have asked numerous times for a quote for this, and no one has ever provided it. So I have to assume that is because it is not said anywhere in episode 6 that they share the same bed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5017935
I'm not making assertions, though.

Once more, because you seem to be ignoring this. I am talking about possibilities.

Allow me to reword my analogy to be crystal clear.

IF Steve was a lamp post, Bob would be insane.

I'm not saying that Shkanon is true, I'm saying that if it were true, Jessica would be insane.

So, I suppose you want me to argue why Shkanon is true? Because I've already made the logical case for why IF Shkanon is true Jessica would be insane, after all.

And I think that's a valid thing to say. Tons of people consider Shkanon true, and the alternative theories aren't as fitting. So, I think assuming the theory to be true isn't a bad thing in and of itself, much more so when I've been REPEATING over and over again that it is POSSIBLE situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5018011

Except it's NOT, because it has no EVIDENCE.

Come back when you have an actual argument and aren't just saying 'it's possible because I say so'. Beatrice could also an alien. It's possible because I say so.

Theories without evidence aren't even worth hearing, they're on the same level as unintelligible ramblings.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys remember when Shkanon theorists used to say "Well... maybe Shannon and Kanon are the same person in game, but there is nothing wrong with them being different people before the games start."

I miss those times....

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>>5018028
It's a theory based on a theory with evidence behind it.

For all your bravado and attacks on the style of my argument, there is hard evidence behind it, the evidence of Shkanon. You really haven't attacked the fundamental principle of the argument, which is, that if Shkanon is true, Jessica would be malicious or insane.

I guess a good way to think of what I am saying would be a triangle geometry problems, you know, those annoying ones that people take on the SAT or ACT.

By getting a value of two other angles, you can solve for the value of the third angle. This can be done even though you can't intially find the value of the third angle. Likewise, my argument assumes that the values of the two other angles, or, Shkanon, is correct, and because I assume the value is correct, that leads logically to Jessica being crazy.

It's POSSIBLE Shkanon could be wrong, but in the end I think it's fair to say that Shkanon has tons of evidence behind it. And because this theory is kinda like that third angle, it's strength is the same as Shkanon's strength.

It does have evidence behind it, but in an indirect way. I think you are demanding a more linear approach to things, personally.

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>>5017950
>>5017942

Not the same poster, but I think the confusion with that was due to the machine translation.

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>>5018062
All your "evidences" are just meta-stuff, metaphors and some assumptions.

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>>5018084
Once again, if Shkanon is not true, the day is yours =)

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>>5018098
Not the person you are arguing with, but in the case Shkanon isn't true shouldn't you prepare yourself with hints about Jessica being insane that don't involve Shkanon?

You should always have a lot of back up theories

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You know, I think I'm going to check out episode 6 to read up on all the Shkanon stuf-

OH WAIT
I CAN'T


BECAUSE IT ISN'T TRANSLATED YET

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>>5018062
You mean trigonometry.

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>>5017934

On the surface, the nature of the episode is a fight between Shannon and Kanon. Why can't that be what it's REALLY about?

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>>5018111
Well, if Shkanon isn't true, then Jessica really isn't insane. She's quite a normal girl, who interacts with Shannon and Kanon in the way she does because they ARE two different people.

It's not my goal to show that Jessica is insane, or malicious, far from it. I'm just trying to connect things. Each theory isn't exclusive to itself. If one particular theory is true, it will have an effect on the mystery as a whole. I'm trying to weigh those effects, nothing more, nothing less.

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>>5018115
No, no, not that horrid Sin(ArcCot stuff, good old fashioned geometric proofs. At least here in New York, we consider some triangle problems to be part of Geometry.

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>>5018128
It CAN be. And Shkanon CAN be wrong. But I felt the tone of the episode, in addition to the red text at the end, points in the direction of them being the same person.

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>>5018170
Did you felt the scent and saw the hue of the episode pointing to Shkannon?

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>>5018255
No, the red text at the end, the logic error, what I've seen from their dialogues, the meta discussion of what it means to be a person, that's what I saw pointing towards Shkanon.

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OP here, woah, all these replies? And all this FIGHTING SPIRIT! Awesome, but I think we should all take a chill pill, perhaps some light hearted speculah will do the trick.

What do you think will happen in episode 7?

I think Jessica will be the target of Bern, personally. Kinda like her mother in episode 5.

In addition, I don't think Bern is going to reveal the truth even though she said she was. I also think George will be a faggot.

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>>5018268
The end riddle pointed to Shkanontrice?
Erika "Realize the truth about myself"

Durhur Shkannontirce

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>>5018313

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George will be either evil or will still be an awesome big bro character for Battler

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>>5018268
「私は、
……真実の魔女、古戸ヱリカ……。……真実の魔女とは、……真実に堪える
魔女、………です。……私はようや く、
……自分の本当の真実を、……受け入れられそうなんです………。」

"I am...
...the Witch of Truth, Furudo Erika.... ...The Witch of Truth is... a witch who can stand up to... the truth. I think I can finally...
...accept the real truth... about myself...."

ヱリカとベアトたち双方は、何も宣言し合わず、静かに真実の弾丸を装填す
る。
　……銃口に詰める真実の色は、双方、赤…。
　双方は何も言葉を交わさずとも、……互いが何を切り札にするか、@理解
しているというのか… …。

Erika and Beato said nothing to each other, silently loading bullets of truth.
...The truths they packed into the muzzles of their guns were both... red....
Did this mean that even though they hadn't exchanged words at all, ...they each knew what the other's trump card was...?

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>>5018335
Circular logic dude here, well, damn. Now I want this to be translated more than ever.

Although, just do tell me, that bit at the end, with Beatrice representing 4 pieces on the board, any truth to that?

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>>5018451

It's wrong. No word about representing. My japanese sucks and there isn't a copy pasta as the one above but I think is says that Beatrice can either be a Knight, Queen or something else. Therefore a pawn I think...

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>>5018451

That's not what it says. Not the guy that posted the translation, but...

It says (not an exact translation) "Beatrice is a piece with varying properties, she is sometimes the king, sometimes the queen, and sometimes a pawn..."

Knight might be in there too. Essentially it means 'she's a piece with transforming properties' which does NOT point only to Shkanontrice as some people might say. It can also point to Beatrice, as her legend is, being used for very different purposes.

It's more akin to saying how Beatrice can represent the culprit at times, a scapegoat at times, and just something someone uses at times, the way I see it. You know, just like the story has been saying she does since Episode 2.

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>>5018496
Interesting. Well, if all this is true, hm.
Y'know, perhaps Kanon is Beatrice?

Not Shannon. Just Kanon. He's always tended to be rather close to her, and the black haired loli comment, well, that was rather intriguing.

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>>5018527

How about Shannon, the one with the hints going for her? Seriously you guys cannot accept him as male, can you?

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>>5018533
What? Well, Shannon's hints are that Battler had a crush on her before, and that she chats with Beato all the time. But Kanon also does this. And Kanon has a rather interesting dialogue with Maria.

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>>5018602

"Why didn''t you leave the island, sayo?"
sad_frog_I_mean_Shannon.jpg

Kanon's interesting dialouge with Maria is just interesting because Anon decided of put everything out of place and and context like always. Any hint Kanon is a girl? Say the fertilizer scene and I'll hit you. Not everyone is muscle men and even Jessica was able to help (at least offered) and she is a girl as well..

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>>5018645
Or is she......

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>>5018676
So in truth Jessica is a guy and Kanon a girl...what a twist...

[Anonymous No.]

So... what about the Metal Gear Seacats?

Did the drawfag finish it?