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How much can you tell me about other danmaku games besides Touhou, /jp/?

So far I haven't strayed away from the Touhou series, but I'm starting to look at other companies like Cave and Treasure. I was thinking of starting with Espgaluda 2 for the 360 (a friend of mine recommended it), how good is it?

>> No.4941121

Touhou is the only dankamu I play

>> No.4941145

>>4941110
Touhou is a secret project by ZUN and the Government of Japan and US to create Coordinators for military purposes.

>> No.4941152

To be honest, OP. I keep coming back to touhou because I can play at a steady pace. The others, well, same bullets and dodge asap like lightning, turned me off.

Unless you're talking about Kamui, which I loved to bits.
It's more of a fun shooter than danmaku though.

>> No.4941165

Anything CAVE is awesome.

Dangun Feveron is really fun and has a great soundtrack.

>> No.4941833

Bump.

>> No.4941856

Ketsui Death Label is a fucking addictive game if you have a DS.
It may look easy at first. From easy mode to very hard mode the game is a joke compared to Touhou, but Death Label and Doom modes are just ridiculously impossible to beat, so it's nice if you like being frustrated.

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I haven't played it yet, but many CAVE fans LOVE it to death.

Pic unrelated.

>> No.4941896

>>4941856
I heard it was shit compared to the PCB.

>> No.4941915

DDP daifukkatsu and never look back

>> No.4941916

You usually can't go wrong with CAVE, and the console ports have difficulty modes that can cater to anyone.

>> No.4941917

Shikigami no shiro. All 3 of them. In a row.

>> No.4941926
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4941926

Treasure STGs are piss easy, but they are the king when it comes to presentation and direction. Even ZUN takes inspiration from Radiant Silvergun to this very day.

>> No.4941937

>>4941926
Define easy please.
There are multiple aspects to a danmaku game.

>> No.4942857

Team Alice "shmups" are shit.
Treasure shmups are shit.
CAVE shmups are shit.

Grab MAME and play some Mars Matrix.

>> No.4942891

>>4942857
>Mars Matrix

Obligatory!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRhFYV4-pBQ

>> No.4942913

>>4942857
Or be a man and BUY it for your Dreamcast.

>> No.4942925

I second grabbing MAME.
But go play Dodonpachi and....Shit, I forgot the name of that one with the fantasy themes, but they were still all in planes...

>> No.4942942

>>4942925
You mean the one with DOLPHINS PILOTING PLANES?!

>> No.4942950

>>4942925
Dimahoo?

>> No.4943105
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4943105

Cave has traps.

>> No.4943116

mars matrix owns and will blow your fucking balls off no matter how good you are at touhou

>> No.4943121

The thing to remember about CAVE is that they hate you and want you to die.

No, seriously. It is PHYSICALLY impossible to no-miss/no-bomb CAVE true last bosses.

Wasn't it CAVE that came up with the idea of the true last boss not simply being invulnerable to bombs, but actually RESTORING health when you use them? Hell, they also go invulnerable for as long as you do any time you die.

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>>4943105
Death Smiles also has Casper, who is simply the greatest character ever.

>> No.4943148

>>4941110
The only other non-touhou game I play is Ikaruga. I enjoy it, but I''m a casualfag so there are probably some obvious shortcomings that I'm missing.

>> No.4943170

I'm decent at Touhou (can 1cc PCB/MoF Lunatic with decent consistency and lives to spare) but Dodonpachi still kicks my ass.

>>4943121
I think the very last pattern of Hibachi had a safespot in one incarnation or another. That was awesome.

>> No.4943206

>>4943170
It was more like bugging his AI. Which everyone I've seen actually survive him without having to use continues has had to take full advantage of.

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>>4942891
http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/grid/wars.htm

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Casper's exchange with SATAN CLAWS, the final boss of DeathSmiles 2:

S: Goddamn flat-chested girl, go back home and go to sleep.
C: SHUT UP! Do you have some problem with the fact that all four playable characters this time are flatchested, you perverted old man!?

>> No.4943398

>>4943376
I wish PC ports. Is it so hard to port shmups to the PC?

>> No.4943418

>>4943121
I lied, he actually goes invulnerable for LONGER than you whenever you respawn or bomb.

Timed so the instant he becomes vulnerable to attack again is the same instant that the barrage will be back in full force, requiring you to immediately bomb again.

>> No.4943425

>>4943398
DeathSmiles has such HIGH graphics requirements requiring all of the 360's power, too, you know!
(that is a terrible lie and I can hardly keep a straight face saying it.)

btw, the final boss of the first one is named TYRANNOSATAN.

>> No.4943446

>>4943170
That's not surprising. Touhou lets you deathbomb and throws 1ups at you by the handful. And the gameplay is really pretty different from.. well every other danmaku game I've played except for Touhou clones. I wish people wouldn't compare them so much, but there's no helping it when it's what everyone's familiar with.

>> No.4943448

>>4942891 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRhFYV4-pBQ

>>dodonpatch

Anyway, fuck, I have the game on MAME. That game is so casualty-inducing.

Are there any good Dreamcast emulators?

>> No.4943457

>>4943376
dat cleft

>> No.4943460

>>4943446
>Touhou lets you deathbomb

Only for IN.

It's not that the games are awfully different, the reason I'm bad at Dodonpachi is I spent like three hours on it and at least ten times that on each Touhou game.

>> No.4943470

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbts2qTrbAg&feature=related

More appropriate if someone was gonna mention Mars Matrix.

Anyone have opinions on the usage of Gravity Hole Bomb? Mosquito seems to be more worth it for the xp you get after flinging shit back at the enemy.

>> No.4943475

>>4941937
Easy scoring and difficulty?

But who cares because the bosses were clever, the presentation was unique at the time, and soundtrack was awesome.

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>>4941110
>How much can you tell me about other danmaku games besides Touhou, /jp/?

I have tried several, and pretty much hated them all. Usually in them what passes for a pattern is "I'll spam million purple bullets at the speed of sound, then a million red bullets at the speed of sound".

I guess touhou series spoiled me, but I just can't appreciate a curtain fire game where the attacks aren't pretty and flowery.

>> No.4943494

>>4943460

Deathbombing is present in every touhou game. It's just that in most of them the timing is so strict that you practically have to be already pressing the bomb button BEFORE you die to make it. In Imperishable Night the timing is forgiving enough so that people can actually use the deathbombs (and in the case of the Border Team, so forgiving that it becomes strange to ever miss a deathbomb).

>> No.4943496

>>4943475 But who cares because the bosses were clever, the presentation was unique at the time, and soundtrack was awesome.

Anyone who plays Radiant Silvergun with a certain degree of interest thinks this way. "Ah fuck, spent a credit. What the hell, I just wanna see how this boss goes!"

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>>4943470
I always play girly dress-up games with Reco.

>> No.4943544

>>4943494
In other words, for non-IN games Touhou does not let you deathbomb. It sort of happens, like "Hey how did I survive this shit" moments.

>> No.4943553

>>4943484
Man, Hibachi's patterns are wholly unfair, but some of them actually do look really impressive.

Plus, the theory of "fill the entire screen with bullets packed so close together that your hitbox cannot even fit through them" is generally limited to the hardest difficulty modes.

>> No.4943573

>>4943484
You know what I hate?
Fast random bullets.

And I find Touhou to be less dick-headed than arcade ported shooters -- Gradius III, I'm fucking looking at you -- regardless of comparitive difficulty.

Except for UFO.

>> No.4943579

>>4943544

You must have really shitty reflexes.

>> No.4943582

>>4943544
Yes and people call that feature deathbombing. In any case it saves me from a hell of a lot of deaths.

>> No.4943622

>>4943573
Gradius 3 Arcade was unforgiving. The SNES version was a bit more accessible.

One of the best in the series though.

>> No.4943627

>>4943573
That's why I like DoDonPachi so much, it's the most downright fair arcade bullet hell game I've played. Hibachi aside, but it's not as if I can reach that anyway.

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>>4941110
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>> No.4945843

I don't like game in which you control an aircraft or spaceship. I want cute characters. Touhou all the way.

>> No.4945956

Mars Matrix is the best suggestion I've seen in this thread. Somewhat surprised no one mentioned Battle Garegga, except for that game not really being bullet hell the same way some games are, and also being more of a bitch than any bullet hell game.

>>4943627
I'd say Psikyo shooters are more fair than Cave shooters, if only because the requirement to reach the second loop in a Psikyo game that has one is merely clearing the first loop.

>>4945843
Gunbird 2. The Dreamcast version has Morrigan Aensland (and she's incredibly broken). There's also a loli witch and a Lucca clone.

>> No.4946023

Twinkle Sprite. You get to molest fairies and lolis along the way too.

>> No.4946055

>>4943475
That's not saying much.

Speaking of Treasure,
Ikaruga was a pain in the ass from stage 3 onwards, I must motivate myself to finish it one day. Switching colors while dodging bullets is hellishly fun without being too unforgiving.

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>> No.4946084

>>4946070
man, WHAT, THE FUCK, IS YOUR PROBLEM. get a fucking life man. this is why people are rebelling against your e authority, because you have none, but you act like you do. seriously, fuck off for a while and let people enjoy their threads. something must seriously be wrong with you. btw, I reported you faggot.

>> No.4946108

>>4946084
Don't worry, it's just some /b/tard spam-quoting every "Doubles post".
He didn't even see what the post said.

>> No.4946131

i don't really play shmups, they're kind of a gaming dead end

>> No.4946135

>>4946108
i just copied random post from idol thread

>> No.4950612

>>4943622
>>4943622
snes gradius 3 is almost boringly easy if you take the reduce shield.

ont I think tumiki fighters is neat. at least, it's free.

>> No.4951381

tohou ;O

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>>4951381
>;O
What motivates you to do this, please tell me

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>>4945843
Well then as far as CAVE goes you have DeathSmiles.

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DeathSmiles is nothing but little girls. Except for the two with big breasts.

And the one that is actually a boy.

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Touhou is alright but CAVE makes it look like pure shit.

>> No.4955666

>>4955536

Only in gameplay terms. Touhou has by far the most amazing visuals in terms of bullets and patterns.

>> No.4957791

>>4941165
FEVAH GOT MAH SOUL

DUN DUN DUN DURUN DURUN DUNDUN
DUN DUN DUN DURUN DURUN RU RU

I love dodonpatchy too

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>> No.4957879

Ikaruga was quite fun, but apart from that nothing really compares to Touhou.

>> No.4957888

Maybe you can help me, jaypee. Which version of MAME am I supposed to get?

>> No.4957929

I don't understand why people care so much about touhou fans 'playing the games' when the games themselves are average, and only stand out for the admittedly impressive feat of being made by a single person.

>> No.4957936

>>4957929
Probably because people might not know/play about the original source of all the fandom.

>> No.4957940

>>4957888
Whatever the latest version is?

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As for the 360 Cave ports: Futari > Espgaluda 2. Futari (and the first Mushi for that matter) feature three entirely different modes/difficulties for each version. Espgaluda 2 feels VERY gimmicky compared to Futari. It makes for a pretty deep scoring system but in my expert and professional opinion it feels like too much stuff and it ends up just being incredibly complicated. That's not to say that I don't understand it, I just don't like it. The arrange modes of both games are shit.

And as for the different modes, Original and Maniac are pretty accessible to beginners (relatively), and if you want a good challenge there's God mode, which I think is by far the best mode. If you're suicidal and/or stupid, you can try Ultra, but that shit is just a 20 lb box of rape, avoid at all costs. On the other hand, Espgaluda 2 comes in only one flavor, hard (not ultra rape, but pretty hard). Esp 2 black label is even more gimmicky than the arcade mode, but it's pretty nifty I guess.

As for music/art, etc, they both have amazing soundtracks and art/graphics. Futari has more shot types, if that matters to you at all.

>> No.4957948

>>4957929
They are some of the better doujin shmups, but it's mainly a combination of elitism and an excuse to hate a portion of the fanbase that is equally bad, I think.

>> No.4957957

>>4957888
Some games only function properly on old versions. Don't ask why, they just do.

Get the latest version, but also download some older versions too. If a game doesn't work properly on the latest version, there's a chance it'll work properly on an older version.

>> No.4957958

>>4957929
It is the equivalent of liking a band because of the way they look instead of their music.

>> No.4957969

Touhou, unlike most danmaku games, is designed to be played by humans.

>> No.4957973

>>4957969
I thought it was for lunatics...

>> No.4957981

>>4957957
I'd feared as such. Oh well, thanks.

>> No.4957983

>>4957973
But that mode is optional.

>> No.4958007

>>4955536
>>4955666
How can CAVE games have better gameplay if they are dedicated to preventing you from actually playing?

>> No.4958029

>>4958007
They only prevent sucky players from playing which aren't the target audience anyway.

>> No.4958092

>>4957958
But anyone who is a fan of the genre knows touhou, as a shmup, is shit. Touhou fandom is about the 'clothes' - the doujinshi (porn), music, characters, memes, etc.

>> No.4958120

>>4958092
There's a good bunch of people who like shmups in general and play touhou for the games.

Of course then there's people who hate touhou because it's popular outside the niche of shmups. Much like other people hating things because of their popularity, they should be ignored.

>> No.4958161

>>4958092
There are a few decent patterns in Touhou, like Scarlet Gensokyo. It's not all shit. The scoring systems are all terrible, though.

>> No.4959139

God, take your heads out of your asses. No one here is saying Touhou is the best STG around. If fact, the general consensus is that the scoring system and gameplay are not as tight as other shmups like Cave's and such, but Touhou very, very far from been "shitty". A lot of players love the spell card system, the scoring from grazing and some of the unique scoring systems. It's a fun game and perhaps one of the best starters for the danmaku genre since the difficulty isn't as steep.

Some of you talk like you only dislike Touhou because a lot of people play it influenced by the fandom, characters or music. If you actually want to pick a shitty shumup then look at the Genesis and SNES library of games. There are plenty of those there, back when the genre was still considered popular a lot of bad ones were produced.

>> No.4961726

I love how people say gameplay or scoring sucks in Touhou and then continue to fellate Cave with their game long chaining.

>> No.4961756

>>4941110
Take up the CAVE and Raizing games.

>> No.4961761

>>4941121
>>4941110
If all you ever know is Touhou, shame on you.

Touhou does not exist in a vaccum. It was spawned from a multitude of games.

>> No.4961791

>>4942913
>buy
>gaems
laughingelfman.jpg

>> No.4961798

>>4945843
Cute Characters?

1. Twinbee
2. Magical Chase
3. Twinkle Star Sprites
4. Deathsmiles
5. Trouble Witches
6. Eden's Aegis
7. eXceed series

I think that covers mostly the cute em ups.

>> No.4961822

What pisses me off are people who don't know any shmups outside of Touhou, and think it's THE shmup/damnaku game.

>> No.4961829

>>4961726
As I recall, SKONEC and Treasure games have game-long chaining as well.

>> No.4961922

>>4961829
Yeah, lots of games have some form of chaining.
In some it's more annoying than in others, but usually people just go on about Cave because it's all they know from their MAME collection and they think it makes them look like shmup experts.

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>>4941145
Coordinators are faggots.

>> No.4961965

When will we be able to emulate the arcade versions of Death Smiles?

>> No.4962068

>>4961965
If you're lucky some time this decade.

>> No.4962239

>>4961965

How different it is from the 360 version?

>> No.4962305

>>4961822

Everyone has to start somewhere, it's no wonder why so many do with a popular series like Touhou. I for example started Megaman with ZX Advent, which is a pretty shitty game compared to the rest of the series. Today I played most of them, including the classics, X and Zero series.

My point is that even if one only knows about Touhou that can be the gateway to know the other good games. If they think that's the only one of it's type then introduce those people to the others. They are as good or even better than Touhou, so there is no way they wouldn't like them.

>> No.4963006

>>4962305
But, mainly, it's a gateway to going on youtube and posting "have you heard about touhou?" and "this isn't as hard as Flandre!" on every single video of a different shmup.

>> No.4963024

>>4951404
>:P

>> No.4963087

Would someone mind directing me to some good vertical STGs for the PC? All I really play now is toohoo, but it'd be nice to get more into the genre.

>> No.4963100

>>4963087
>gridwars
or
>neonwars

>> No.4964551

>>4958007
CAVE games only hate you on the insane difficulties. If you play them on more normal difficulties, they're actually pretty easy.

>> No.4968321

bamp

>> No.4968473

>>4963087
Exceed is nice if you like Touhou.

>> No.4968606

Silpheed's a fun one.

>> No.4968623

>>4964551
Most cave games don't have difficulties.

In fact, the only ones that do are Mushihime and its sequel.

>> No.4968642

>>4968623
I thought every console port did.

>> No.4968665

>>4968642
uh, 2 of the console ports have "novice mode" which is a joke (easier than touhou on easy by a long shot, not even comparable). The rest don't...

>> No.4968788

>>4968665
Well, there's Level 999 in the DeathSmiles port...

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