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I just finished re-reading episode two. I find it very funny how Jessica just immediately blames Beatrice after the first twilight, and how she runs off so suddenly.

Like, seriously, I'm on to you, Moon-chan.

>> No.4713004

>Moon-chan
Welcome to my filter

>> No.4713036

FUCKING MOON-CHAN

>> No.4713055

>>4713004
Jeez, sorry I offended your delicate sensibilities there, buddy.

But yeah, bitch be trolling hardcore, yo.

>> No.4713075

Give me a motive why she's the mastermind, please.

>> No.4713118

>>4713075
Because, uhh... SHE IS MOON-CHAN!

>> No.4713137

>>4713075
She's the second Battler, and is thus a dick.

To be quite honest, though, no one character has a real motive to slaughter everyone on the island.

Seriously, be it for love, money, or other motives, killing everyone is a bit excessive.
But, I'm just pointing our her inconsistencies and sketchy actions. That comes first. Motives will be, and have been, theorized and expanded on.

>> No.4713154

>>4713137

Okay, thanks.

>> No.4713171

I haven't been keeping up with this, so enlighten me. Do any of these Jessica theories detail how she sends out millions of dollars to the victim's families?

>> No.4713182

>>4713137
Yeah, I never really did like the whole "Shkanontrice brutally slaughtured Battler's family and stuffed their corpses with candy, all while sending their still living(but not for long) relatives trolling them about because of LOVE. That always rubbed me the wrong way.

I'm still saying multiple plans were going on, shit got blown way out of proportion.

>> No.4713190

>>4713171
Mailboxes are pretty useful for that.

>> No.4713201

>>4713075
Because SHE CAN'T HANDLE THE STRESS OF HER AWFUL LIFE.

>> No.4713239

>>4713201
Wait, wait, hold the phone here.
Killing someone over such a small thing would be evil.
So the murderer.... who stuffs people's bodies with candies... may actually be.... evil?

Ridiculous!

>> No.4713249

>>4713190
Don't get smart with me, spergy.

>> No.4713250
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4713250

>>4713239
>hold the phone here
I've only got about 4 minutes.

>> No.4713264
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4713264

>>4713250

>> No.4713276

Ah, a moon-chan thread?
Hate to inform you guys, we solved Umineko last night. It was pretty awesome.

>> No.4713280

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2969742#post2969742

>> No.4713287

>>4713276
I can't remember if I was present for that thread or not, what was actually discussed?

>> No.4713294
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4713294

>>4713280
I've never seen a person so stupid that thinks he's so smart.

>> No.4713296

>>4713280
>OH, LOOK HOW OH SO EXCLUSIVE I AM!

>> No.4713300

>>4713280
He's being an Attention-Whore. HOW BOUT ACTUALLY SHOWING US YOUR THEORY DOUCHEBAG!

>> No.4713314

I hope everyone just ignores what he said. But they won't.

>> No.4713322
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4713322

>>4713300
You really want to see his theory? He not only thinks that shkannontrice is real, but that Nanjo is Nanjo's granddaughter.

>> No.4713325

>>4713314
I want to believe he's trolling, but he seems really into himself.
Whatever, I'll just kick back with my Doubletrice bros, and just lol at the Shkanontrice vs Moon-chan faggotry.

>> No.4713334

>>4713322
Well he at least got half of it right.

>> No.4713338

>>4713334
He got a quarter of it right, you mean.

>> No.4713344

Nanjo's sick granddaughter is Ange.

>> No.4713346

>>4713338
Well ShKanontrice is true so it's half.
The Nanjo thing is retarded though.

>> No.4713377
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4713377

>>4713346
>Well ShKanontrice is true
>The Nanjo thing is retarded though.
>implying Shkannontrice is not more retarded than thinking Nanjo is Nanjo's granddaughter

>> No.4713378

>>4713346
Wasn't he spouting some weird garbage about Fukuin teaching voice acting or something too?

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4713380

>>4713322
>Nanjo is Nanjo's granddaughter.

>> No.4713398

>>4713377
Shkanontrice is valid.
Just....not completely valid.
The suit, my friend. The suit.

>> No.4713404 [DELETED] 

>>4713369

Why the fuck would it be so bad? I'm not talking about having moot pull of that any of the sort of confusing crap that Rapidshit tried to do with the dogs and cats here. Why would typing in an extra 4 letters/numbers before each post be that big of a deal? If it were the case, neither /jp/ nor the rest of this site would have to rely on mods as often.

>> No.4713405

>>4713398

My dear misguided friend. I'd like to inform you that Kshannontrice is complete nonesense

>> No.4713406

>>4713377
I never said anything about whether ShKanontrice is retarded or not.
I only stated it was true, and it is.

>> No.4713414

People who still deny ShKannontrice nowadays are completely deluded.
You can add things around it if you want but the whole Shannon = Kanon = Beatrice thing is completely obvious to anyone who isn't a complete moron.

>> No.4713422

>>4713405
THE DRESS
THE SUIT
THE SUIT
THE DRESS
THE ONE WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING
YET KNOWS NOTHING
THE ONE WHO KNOWS NOTHING
YET KNOWS EVERYTHING
DIFFERENT BUT THE SAME
IMPOSSIBLE, YET PROABLE
THE ENEMY WHO IS AN ALLY
THE ALLY WHO IS AN ENEMY
THUS IS THE WAY OF THE TRUTH

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4713433

The game is completely solvable without Shkanon.

>> No.4713440

>>4713414

Than would oyu mind explain how no one notices the difference in voice, looks etc. without being completly retarded and blind oh and deluded

>> No.4713442

>>4713422
get the fuck out of here, nasu

>> No.4713446
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4713446

>>4713422

>> No.4713451

>>4713440
Natsuhi and Krauss have a strictly professional relationship with the servants.
Kumasawa knows, Genji most likely does too, and Jessica is insane, so everything works out.

>> No.4713469 [DELETED] 

>>4713451

"Hello Battler-sama. I'm Kanon and I so do not sound like Shannon! And our faces are also completly different, right? Oh and George-sama would you please continue to not notice that my face and voice are completly like the one of your fiance?"

>> No.4713468

>>4713446
OH GOD THAT'S NOT LIGHT
THAT'S FIRE
HELL FIRE
THIS FIRE IN MY SKIN
THIS BURNING
DESIRE
IS TURNING ME TO SIN

IT'S NOT MY FAULT
I'M NOT TO BLAME
IT IS THIS BOUNCY GIRL THIS WITCH WHO SET THIS FLAME

IT'S NOT MY FAULT
IF IN GOD'S PLAN
HE MADE THE DEVIL SO MUCH STRONGER THAN A MAN

FORGIVE ME MARIA
DON'T LET THIS HARPY CAST HER SPELL
DON'T LET HER FIRE BURN MY FLESH AND BONE

DESTROY SUIT BEAATOH, AND MAKE HER TASTE THE FIRES OF HELL
OR ELSE MAKE HER BE MINE AND MINE ALOOOOOOOOOONE

>> No.4713472

>>4713469
Kanon doesn't speak much to Battler, at all.
Hell, Jessica even covers for him one time.
And George doesn't interact with Kanon either.

>> No.4713478

>>4713469
Question of attitude.
And it's not like Kanon stay close to them.
Actually I don't even know if he ever interacted with George.

>> No.4713488

Teatrice > Doubletrice > Tripletrice > Everybodytrice > Moon-chan > Shkannontrice > Shkannon > Nanjo's granddaughter

>> No.4713492

>>4713472
She DID cover for Kanon that one time, didn't she? Fuck, etc, Moon-chan.

>> No.4713499

>>4713472

I might be retarded as I do not believe in Kshannontrice but.. you guys realize that either Kshannontrice is a master of deception a single word usual is enough to recognize a voice.
Also I want some hints for "Jessica is insane"
>Well she is fucking moon-chan
Does not count as well as
>She lies 3 times or so

>> No.4713500

>>4713488
I agree, Teatrice > all

>> No.4713515
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>>4713478
Kanon has spoken to George...once in EP1 & maybe EP2 after Maria's candy incident. But that was when the family first arrived on the island.

Hopefully the case isn't that Kanon and Shannon are fraternal twins. Beatrice might be just speaking in figurative sense here.

>> No.4713517
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>>4713499
Part of the insanity is that she doesn't notice that her love interest and her best friend are the same person.
Also, this.

>> No.4713521

>>4713515
That theory has been around since long ago (Episode 1) and I wouldn't be surprised if thats true

>> No.4713523

I STILL BELIEVE IN MY MULTIPLE CULPRITS THEORY

'BEATRICE' IS JUST THE TRUE CULPRIT MAKING PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER

>> No.4713527

episode 3 first twilight, red text explicitly refers to kanon as a person.

>> No.4713531
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4713531

>>4713515
Always sorta bothered me how Jessica didn't get the red possession eyes in episode 6, but rather, just really creepy looking ones.

>> No.4713536

>>4713527
Not really.
Read things more carefully.

>> No.4713539

>>4713517

Gohda, Kumasawa and Kyrie confirmed for insane thanks to your argument.
Also I don't think you can use Shkannontrice as a valid argument for Jessica's insanity as Kshannontrice is false and 'Jessica is insane' is just a fragile excuse so you can still cling to your KShannontrice DID shit

>> No.4713540

"5 master keys, one for each of the servants." so personalities count as separate servants now?

>> No.4713541

>>4713414
>Shankanontrice
I don't mind Shkanon (I had that theory myself since Episode 2) but adding another side (Beatrice) is bit excessive.

>> No.4713559

>>4713540

Of course! Didn't you know! Split personalities also are accounted for as people!
6 people: Kanon, Shannon, Genji, Kinzo, Kuma and Gohda died instantly.

>> No.4713570

>>4713540
No, it just means that they count for 2 servants, nothing else.
Are you stupid?

>> No.4713574

>>4713559
Except it doesn't actually say the word "people" there. The translator has admitted it.

>> No.4713615

Shannon and Kanon.
Never seen together expect in episode 5 when the POV is unreliable.

Both of them see and interact with Beatrice in the flashback of episode 2, the other fantasy scenes in the various flashbacks are shown to be very personal, for example Ange admits that she is the only one who can see the stakes and it's pretty much stated in episode 5 that these scenes are only illusion to reinforce one heart.
So how Shannon and Kanon, 2 different persons, could see the same thing?

They both keep saying that they aren't humans, that they don't have a full soul, that they were created, in episode 6 they mention a father that is on the island and is going to die soon.
They are orphans and they aren't even blood related so how could they have the same "father" who is coincidently on the island?

Shannon had to break a mirror to free Beatrice, the broken mirror imagery is used a LOT in Umineko and is even used as a transition images.
What could it mean? Why does Beatrice hate mirror so much?

And why do we never see Kanon's body?

>> No.4713623

Last night's thread was awesome. Like old times again.

BROFIST TO MY DOUBLETRICE BROS

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>> No.4713628

>>4713531
That's because Jessica wasn't possessed, she just got lots of magic buffs.

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4713640

>>4713422
THE SOCKS

ONLY ONE OTHER CHARACTER WEARS SOCKS LIKE THESE

>> No.4713652

My most favored theory at the moment is Doubletrice, with Jessica and Kanon as the Beatrices (don't care whether or not Shkanon is true). I still think Tripletrice, or even Everybodytrice, is a possibility, though.

>> No.4713658

>>4713626
Slouch of villainy.
Goddamn.

>> No.4713662

>>4713523 I STILL BELIEVE IN MY MULTIPLE CULPRITS THEORY

Makes no sense, as things that happened outside the gameboard's time frame always happen, regardless of what occurs on the gameboard.

>> No.4713663

>>4713640

Kanon is the only character who wears boots though.

>> No.4713664

>>4713640
Rather than worry about the socks, I'd pay attention to the REST of the outfit. And the person who was rather close to her.

>> No.4713666

oh look, its this thread again.

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>>4713640
FUCK YEAH STRIPED SOCKS

>> No.4713671

>>4713628
She is being possessed. She got the buffs, but was also pushed into killing Kyrie by the trap twins. She even cried after she killed Kyrie.

>> No.4713680

Someone, explain Doubletrice or give me an easymodo link.

>> No.4713681

>>4713671
Yup, Jessica is innocent.
The nicest person on the island, in fact.

>> No.4713683
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4713683

>>4713681
>>4713671
That's right! Jessica is completely innocent! There's no reason to suspect her at all....

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>>4713626

>> No.4713691

>>4713681
I see through your internet sarcasm, anon.

Fact is in magical scenes Jessica is not portrayed negatively. In EP 4 she was portrayed as a person who would fight to protect those on the island, not to kill them. Only ones with negative portrayal are George and Kyrie - both were also shown in a negative light again in EP 6.

>> No.4713697

>>4713691
And amen, amen I say to you, Beatrice is not evil. Nor is Kanon. Nor is Shannon. Nor is Jessica.

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4713704

>>4713691
If we are going simply by negative portrayal, then the culprit has to be Kyrie, George, Rosa, or Kinzo...

>> No.4713707

>>4713697
Killing defenseless people = evil
No matter how you sugarcoat it.

>> No.4713716 [DELETED] 

>>4713691


This anon at least thinks instead of repeating the same fanon moon-chan crap all over again. At first I liked the card but by now I despise it.
The moons psoitive aspects describe Jessica pretty good tahts why she was choosen.
>Romanticism ----- Anxiety ----- Apprehension ----- Unrealistic ideas
All checl

>> No.4713709

>>4713697
Well, duh.
Doubletrice theory has the most love for a reason, Anon.

>> No.4713710

>>4713691
Jessica is no leader she has never been shown to be able to direct people. Even if she was Beatrice and she murders people I don't see her planning out anything. Suspecting somebody ONLY because they're portrayed in a positive light is stupid. I doubt Beatrice is the mastermind at this point.

>> No.4713720

>>4713710
Well, in episode 4, she directed George.... to his death.

>> No.4713724

>>4713710
> Implying Beatrice is a murderer

>> No.4713734

>>4713716
Speaking strictly about the arcana, it means MALICIOUS intent for the most part.
Like, it's one of the worst cards you can get.

>> No.4713742

>>4713720

No fact, theory. She oculd have seen George die and then George was moved. Easy as cake but you guys can only see your 'Moon-chan'

>> No.4713745

>>4713720

That's a fantasy scene so it's disputable. You can even argue that the duels George and Jessica fight in happen at different times since Jessica left earlier than George.

>> No.4713751

>>4713724
She is.
Meta-Beatrice symbolizes everything that trap everyone on the island including the murderer.

The Beatrice on the island is most certainly the murderer, especially in episode 1 and 2.
Kanon was really the only one who could be the murderer in episode 1 so if you go with ShKanontrice that make him/her Beatrice, well here is your culprit.

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4713759

>>4713742
Either Jessica is even more of an idiot than Krauss, or she's a fucking huge troll. Your choice, anon.

>> No.4713768

>>4713759
She is fucking stupid.
That makes more sense given everything we saw about her so far.

>> No.4713778

>>4713768
No, you don't quite get it. She would have to be even stupider than she's been portrayed.

>> No.4713780

>>4713724
Beatrice doesn't have to be a murderer. But if you beleive she is a pawn than she can be if you want her to. Since just about any motive you can think of for killing people by her own decision is ruled out by the red text. Beatrice = accomplice.

>> No.4713783

>>4713780
Yeah, it's almost certain that (one of the) Beatrice(s) is an accomplice.

>> No.4713787

>>4713778

Or you jsut want to force your moon-chan crap. Also lying abut Kinzo doesn't make you a huge troll

>> No.4713800

>>4713787
> Also lying abut Kinzo doesn't make you a huge troll
It does when you're lying while telling the truth the whoel time, and showing a black sense of humor in the process.

>> No.4713801

>>4713787
Yeah, and you must think that Jessica has an I.Q. of 30 or less. That's more likely, right? Oh, wait, it isn't.

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4713872

Moon chan is the only card you post right?

why can't we use the other cards as evidence? It's kind of funny that the moon card is one of the only ones that pops up in a search.

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>>4713872
I know right.

How about the fact that Kyrie is the High Priestess or Kanon is the Hanged Man

>> No.4713893
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4713893

>>4713883
And Beatrice is the World.

>> No.4713898

>>4713883
Is there a source where I can get all of these? Last time I checked lovers had Kanon and Jessica on it. Could be wrong.

evidence for doubletrice?

>> No.4713901

>>4713898
Lovers is George and Shannon

>> No.4713903

>>4713898
No, Lovers was Shannon and George. Who else?

>> No.4713906

>>4713901
Dang! the one I found was fake.

>> No.4713909
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4713909

>>4713872
It's not that the cards are specifically evidence of anything, it's that their meanings can shine a bit of light on a character's traits and/or reinforce what we already know.

For example, the Sun perfectly fits Maria pre-Sakutarou-tearing.

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4713921

>>4713906
it was probably a piece of fanart. Only the ones with a particular border are the real ones (like the couple posted already)

>>4713903
Gaap is the Star, Ronove is the Devil, Lamba + Bern are Wheel of Fortune and Eva + Natsuhi are the Empress.

>> No.4713922
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4713922

>>4713906

Mean this one?

>> No.4713929

>>4713922
yeah thats it.

>> No.4713969

>>4713872
The moon card is the SLOW DOWN BUCKO SOMEONE IS DECIEVING YOU card.
And in a mystery novel, deceit is rather important.

>> No.4713979

>>4713909
And people always did have issues with Jessica. She really is one of the more polarizing characters in the series.

>> No.4713980

>>4713704
Kinzo is already dead and Rosa is never portrayed negatively in fantasy scenes. Neither is Nanjo.

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4713995

Battler as justice is awesome. But I wonder why he's not the fool?

>> No.4714000

>>4713979

What before the goddamn card she was ignored and the word Jessitrice was forbidden

>> No.4714023

>>4713980
>Rosa is never portrayed negatively in fantasy scenes
Episode four?

>> No.4714046

>>4713995
Has the Fool been confirmed for anybody yet? I'm still betting on it being regular-suit Battler.

>>4714000
Not really. She'd started to become more visibly suspicious in Episode 4.

But yeah, it just goes to show you how well R07 has set Jessica up as a troll, making her seem completely irrelevant and then having little bits and pieces turn up here and there that start making her more and more suspicious until you go "wait a minute... OH GOD DAMMIT."

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4714048

>>4713980
Well I guess randomly pushing an old lady servant and her baby off a cliff 19 years ago doesn't sound so negative does it?

>> No.4714156

>>4714046
Rosa was confirmed the Fool.

>> No.4714167

>>4714046
That reminds me, she was the one who scolded Battler for sleeping through most of the first day in EP2. Maybe that screwed up some of her plans.

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>>4714156
>Rosa
>Cliff scene
>confirmed for fool
>I see what you did there

Wow really? The fool is usually used for protagonists.isn't it?

>> No.4714208

>>4714176
I guess that means Rosa is the secret protagonist.

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