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Old hags~

>> No.4674669

Finally someone revived this thread!

>> No.4674675

ZUN needs to write in more fanon-killing story, because I'm getting sick of this shit.

>> No.4674678

>>4674669
Yeah, I look forward to discussing blankets with you again<3

>> No.4674690

What have you done, now we get this shit again

>> No.4674692

>>4674678
You had to bring that up!

>> No.4674693

>>4674675
It doesn't kill fanon. It just makes it ANGRY and BITTER and force them to whine about ZUN being mean to them forever. You haven't seen anything yet.

>> No.4674697

there are no hags there

>> No.4674699

Oh lol

>> No.4674706

>>4674693
Whatever, I want more of it.

>> No.4674711

>>4674665
So Letty and Byakuren AREN'T hags?

>> No.4674719
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>>4674665

Again OP?

>> No.4674734

>>4674692
I did.

Anyway, you guys sure are a bunch of pessimist.
How about making something out of a thread rather than going

"BAWWW JP IS SO SHITTY ;_;"

>> No.4674735
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4674735

Is Shinki a hag?

>> No.4674743

>>4674711
>Letty
what the fuck, she is still fresh

>> No.4674745
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>>4674711

She's just not pictured in that one.

>> No.4674746

>>4674711
No, they aren't. Byakuren in particular lacks the experience to be a hag. She was locked up for 1000 years, not gaining wisdom.

>> No.4674750

Letty is has been since the beginning of Time since winter first existed
man she is one old granny

>> No.4674752

>>4674735
>Goddess
>Immortal
Yes she is.

>> No.4674767
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4674767

Sure are alot of loli hags in Gensokyo too.

Suika, Tewi, Remilia, Flandre, Suwako to name a few, though really, is 500 years old for a youkai? It's hard to say sometimes, maybe they are just middle aged.

>> No.4674774

>>4674734
Sorry I was busy today.
And last night was shitty anyway.

>> No.4674777
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>>4674693

Ain't seen nothing yet.
It even looks at you with it's big bloodthirsting eyes when it says it.

>> No.4674778

>Yuyuko

Am I the only one who thinks Yuyuko is too young to be a hag? I mean she's just around 1000yrs old. All the other hags are around 1500/2000.

>>4674746
Yeah, Byakuren too.

>> No.4674783

>>4674778
>>Am I the only one who thinks Yuyuko is too young to be a hag? I mean she's just around 1000yrs old.

Most people are "hags" when they're 35.

>> No.4674788

>>4674767
500 isn't really that old.

>> No.4674789

>>4674778
Yeah, but Yuyuko's wise as hell in canon. First one to reach Tenshi, etc.

>> No.4674804

>>4674783

...according that logic 99% of all Touhous would be "hags".

>> No.4674818

>>4674789

wise =/= hag

Or am I missing the point? I thought that

hag = really old, even by Touhou standards/ancient etc

>> No.4674824

>>4674818
You have to be wise to be a hag. All the other hags are wise. Kanako is, Eirin is, Yukari is.

>> No.4674845

Hag isn't an age thing, age is just a number for touhoes. Tewi is, what, 1300+ and nobody calls her a hag. Suika is 3000+ and nobody calls her a hag. What matters is if they look "mature". Anyone can see with a glance that Yukari is way older than Reimu, even though neither looks old as such.

>> No.4674865

>>4674675
>fanon-killing story

Go reread SSiB, or something.

>> No.4674866

>>4674845
Yukari looks 17-years-old. Reimu's pushing, what, 18, 19 by now?

>> No.4674876

>>4674824
But it's not like being wise alone makes you a hag, rite?

I know that wise highly implies that you have lived for a long time, and while it's needed to be "an old hag" by Touhou standards, I still think Yuyuko is too young.

She's been dead for around a 1000 years, and while I agree she is wise, she can't really compare to, say, Eirin who has lived through thousands of years of Lunarian history.

>> No.4674877

>>4674665
Oh my god Yukari HHNNNNNGGGGGGG

>> No.4674881
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4674881

>>4674778

Unknown. Do ghosts age? Spiritually of not physically?
If I'm not mistaken, Yuyuko died a late teen.

>> No.4674912

>>4674881
I meant age as "the time they have existed".

>> No.4674934

>>4674866
IMO yukari always looked around 20-25. Could just be me though.

>> No.4674960

>>4674876
Yeah, she's pretty young by Touhou standards, but she looks mature and that's what counts.

>> No.4674966

>>4674934
The 18 thing is really just a joke.

20 to 25-looking Yukari is the best~

>> No.4674977

Kanako and Suwako are the oldests touhous.

>> No.4674980

Touhous don't get older.

>> No.4674984

>>4674980
No, they do. Time clearly passes between the games.

>> No.4674988

>>4674977
They are the oldest ones that we know of.

There are many ambiguously aged Touhous.

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4675025

On /eientei/ we recently worked it out that Tewi is just under 33 million years old.

>> No.4675027

>>4675025
Tewi's anus tastes like velvet

>> No.4675035

>>4675025
I know I'm going to regret this, but what's /eientei/?

And Tewi can't be older than the white hare in Kojiki because that's who she is.

>> No.4675036

>>4675025
So...

She's legal?

Also wat was that I read about ZUN spouting something about Keine being billions (!) years old?

>> No.4675038

>>4675035
You will regret asking that. A lot.


TOUHOUS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

>> No.4675041

>>4675035
There is nothing in canon that states Tewi as that particular rabbit from the legend, right?

Besides, all rabbits in Eientei are nicknamed "Inaba".

>> No.4675044

>>4675035
http://www.touhou-project.com/eientei/
That thread is still on the front page. Look for Keine's panties and read near the end.

>> No.4675050

Hag = pictured as a milf by fandom
"old hags" is a fandom idea

>> No.4675063

>>4675041
Tewi says she knew Lord Daikoku in SSiB and that he was really awesome. so yeah, she's probably the white hare

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>>4675044
Oh god you went and linked it, why would you do that? Fuck why don't we just being YAF into this thread as well?

>> No.4675072

>>4674960
If that's all it takes then Meiling/Iku/Komachi/Yuugi etc would also be considered "hags"

What consider needed to be a "hag":
Old Age for Touhou-standards
Looks old for Touhou-standards
Very Experienced for Touhou-standards

~the end~

>> No.4675078

>>4675050
It's not as if we are discussing canon vs fanon you know.

Just what characters we consider to be a part of the "Old Hags", which we all can agree on is a fanon-thing entirely.

>> No.4675085

>>4675063
Oh, sorry then. It was long since I last read SSiB.

>> No.4675089

>>4675078
Oh, right.
Forgive me my inability to understand what /jp/ is bickering about yet again.

>> No.4675094

>>4675044
Oh yeah... I suppose she would be a youkai before the white hare myth. There really is no upper limit.

and I'd forgotten about that board. Eggs. Guess I'll read some of it, god knows I'm bored enough.

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4675096

Hag hag hag hag

>> No.4675101

>>4675035
Well, the tale with the white hare in Kojiki takes place at least 2600 years ago, possibly much more.

>> No.4675103

>>4675096
bones bones bones bones

>> No.4675105

/r/ Tewi with flayed skin guro. It's way too obvious an idea to not be done.

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4675119

Ran is an old housewife, but I'd have her.

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>>4674988

There are a handful you can "track" throughout history by their basis in legend and modus operandi. Others have hints about their ages that would make them potentially very old, although the exact numbers remain unspecified.

Eirin - alive 2000 years ago, may have been alive as early as 3500 years ago.
Yukari - already an established power 1200 years ago, total age unknown.
Ran - physically appears to be 800-900 years old, may be older due to outside influence of one kind or another.
Suika/Yuugi - one or both of them may have been an established power on the Japanese islands 1600 years ago.
Prismriver sisters - older than a human lifespan, otherwise unknown.
Kogasa - while she is certainly not 10.000 years old, Kogasa's age is only limited by the time the technology to create paper has existed in East Asia.
Keine - the hakutaku has been around in some form for at least 30.000 years, although nothing currently supports the possibility Keine shares the same age.

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4675138

Can I join?

>> No.4675154

>>4675126
Nice list, but even, so this is pretty much what I meant when I said "ambiguous".

I mean, Yukari could be older than the history of mankind, plus more. Or she could be "only" 2000yrs old.

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>>4675154

I know, didn't mean to correct, just expand.

Also, add Shikieiki (lifespan measured in kalpa) and Komachi (potentially as old as life has existed).

>> No.4675180

The thing with 33mya is, when you see a turtle you don't automatically assume it's 100+ years old, do you? And it's even worse with immortals, any youkai could've been thousands of years old. "Upper age" is sort of bullshit, lowest established age should be used instead.

And I tend to assume youkai are created after humanity. That still does mean some youkai can be crazy old, for all we know Yukari may have born when the abstract concept of a boundary was first thought of by a human.

>> No.4675198

>>4675126
>>Ran - physically appears to be 800-900 years old

I was about to ridicule you but then I remembered that yeah, you can kinda see her age by counting the tails.

>>4675180
>And I tend to assume youkai are created after humanity.

What makes you think so?

>> No.4675200

>>4675138
Stop that Tewi. Go back to being a loli.

>> No.4675210

>>4675200
At least she looks her age for once. Now if only she'd act a bit more like it she'd be perfect waifu material.

>> No.4675213

>>4675063
>Tewi says she knew Lord Daikoku in SSiB and that he was really awesome. so yeah, she's probably the white hare

Or she's lying, which would be well in character for her.

>> No.4675220

>>4675198
Youkai are fantasy creatures, they're affected by things like faith. Few other beings have the mental faculty to have fantasies and beliefs.

>> No.4675228

For a lot of characters we only know a lower end estimate.

Like Reisen: her age is "at least 38" with no upper limit. Could be a billion for all we know.

(Well, not really - she can't be older than the moon society, and that in turn can't be older than the moon.)

>> No.4675232

>>4675213
That's true, but she seemed to be getting punished for mentioning him. Not surprising, since she's claiming he's better than Eirin.

>> No.4675240

>>4675178
Sorry, I knew that. I guess I didn't make it clear enough.

Somehow though, I still like to think that the extremely horribly old beings in Gensoukyou are fairly few. Because if they were all as old as speculated could be, it would just be bizarre.

But I do like the idea of Yukari being one of the oldest beings in around in Touhouverse. Since it goes well with that limited-only-by-imagination ability of hers.

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>>4675200
Huge Tewi is cannon. Enjoy your folder full of inaccurate loli.

>> No.4675260

>>4675251
and TITS. slut Tewi is slut

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>>4675251
cannons are canon

>> No.4675274

>>4675180
Addendum: Youkai being powered by emotion (be it faith, fear or anything else) lends to a fun idea. Since Yukari may (or may not, this is all so-called "fanon") be concept of boundaries given human form, I wonder if there are youkai that are say, aether, phlogiston, fluid electricity etc. given flesh.

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>Old hag

>> No.4675337

>>4675327
>1000+ years
HAG~

>> No.4675339

>>4675272
Perhaps anon meant cannon in the way it blows fanon to bits.

>> No.4675350

>>4675339
>Canon - What the original story writer had in mind
>Fanon - What the fans or followers create using the writer's story line
>Cannon - Blows the shit out of the blue
>Fannon - Fatties trying to blow shit up.

This logic is WONDERFUL~!

>> No.4675359

>>4675251
Except no one in the fan community accepts this. And just go by ZUN's original drawings, if you want the real canon.

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>>4675274

Yukari probably isn't powered by faith, since she's born from a concept that is a fundamental component of nature - there were boundaries before there were even planets capable of supporting life as we know it (although Yukari herself probably isn't that old).

However, there are probably faith-powered youkai that aren't part of an established species as such. Since Layla Prismriver could create poltergeists in the shape of her sisters, there might very well be youkai born from concepts that only hold any meaning as long as people believe in them.

>> No.4675362

>>4675350
>Kannon: Actually Shannon

>> No.4675365

>>4675327
Whored herself to youkai because she was scared of death.

So yes, she is a hag.

>> No.4675376

>>4675362
I like your thinking Anon!

>> No.4675382

>>4675361
While the base can exist in nature, only a sentient mind can define it. What we call winter will still happen even if we're not there, but it's nonetheless humans that define a certain time period accompanied by certain changes as "winter". It is the latter, and not the former, that I would think allows for formation of youkai.

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>>4675251
I've been sitting here a good ten minutes and I cannot think of a funny caption to edit in on the last panel. God damn it's begging to be done.

>> No.4675398

>>4675382
By that logic, wouldn't youkai disappear if all humans were to die?

>> No.4675409

>>4675365
Fuck, now I'm imagining Byakuren turning into a youkai working like that guy in Inuyasha who had a ton of demons pour into him. Doublefuck, I'm imagining an Inuyasha reference.

>> No.4675414

>>4675350
I knows. My brains are unmatched in all of the lands.

>> No.4675420

>>4675398
Yeah. This is alluded to a couple times by ZUN. Something about there needing to be both youkai and humans or them not being able to kill off all the humans. I cn't remember cause it's been a while since I read everything.

>> No.4675428

>>4675398
Of course. Or if the faith into the supernatural disappeared altogether, which isn't happening anytime soon. While youkai can eat individual humans, they're as a whole humanity's bitch.

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>>4675398

Doubt it. But then again, it's not like we'll ever find out.

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>> No.4675538

>>4675506
OH GOD!
*vomits in a toilet*

>> No.4677679

>>4675538
Why are you vomiting at Pure Byakuren? She's untainted by youkai.

>> No.4677701

I love the old hag group. My friends disagree with me but I think they are great.

>> No.4677716

DO YOU NOT SEE THE IMPERFECTIONS!

>> No.4677718

>>4677701
Your friends suck. Old hag group meets Wenesdays for plotting and tea.

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