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ITT ZUN is a total plagiarizing hack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw-vpHOfWiE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhtn3HROvgA

>> No.4667239
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Sure is same thread as yesterday around here.

>> No.4667241

Seriously, I dare you faggots to name one original melody in Touhou that isn't stolen from something else. And yes, it is stolen, becuase ZUN always acts like he came up with the song itself in the music notes.

>> No.4667245

>>4667241
I don't think you know how composing works

>> No.4667247

>>4667245
I don't think you can hear.

>> No.4667252

>>4667245
If art worked the same way you seem to think music works, Sonichu would be considered a totally original and valid character. Fuck you aspie.

>> No.4667256

ITT we are slower than the slowest Slowpoke

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Not only the same thread, but the exact same posts...now I know the op is samefagging.

>> No.4667267

>>4667256
If I'm a slowpoke then why are so many faggots in denial about ZUNs complete lack of compositional skill?

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This thread is now about reaction shots deemed appropriate for a troll thread of this nature.

>> No.4667291

ITT Brainless aspie fanboys bawwwwwwww

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>> No.4667303
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>>4667228
>>4667241
>>4667247
>>4667252
>>4667267
>>4667291

>> No.4667306

>>4667303
No, you are. Because you know I'm right.

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>>4667306
You've activated my trap card, samefag.

>> No.4667314

ZUN ripped off Kagome Kagome! Sue him! Sue that evil bastard!

>> No.4667316

You guys are worse than Twilight fangirls, Jesus Christ. You people totally have your heads up your asses.

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I'ma charging mah Scarborough Fair

>> No.4667322

>>4667314
Did you even watch the fucking links? Don't post in my thread until you actually have some clue as to what the adults are talking about, boy.

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>> No.4667326

You seem to be mistaken, in that you think /jp/ works like /b/.

Go back there and reconsider your thoughts.

>> No.4667329

some of ZUN's music uses small portions of melodies from things nobody cares about?
WHAT A SURPRISE

>> No.4667332

>>4667326
You mean the idiot spamming reaction images, right? My thread is totally legit.

>> No.4667333
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4667333

DIE SHANOA

HOW DARE YOU

EVEN FORGETTING

WHO RAISED YOU

YOU

STUPID DISCIPLE!

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>> No.4667337

>>4667329
> Small portions
no musical ear detected!

>> No.4667340
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OP is trying sooooo hard...

>> No.4667343

☢ CAUTION ☢ MASTER ☢ TROLL ☢ CAUTION ☢

>> No.4667344
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>>4667333

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Technically the whole of Touhou is a rip off since its entire based on eastern and western mythlogy.

Also the word "hack" isn't the correct use since unlike actual hacks, he doesn't claim his creations are "OMG TEH BEST SHET EVAR!!11" and decries anyone who says otherwise.

>> No.4667350

>>4667346
He could at least admit his "compositions" aren't totally original. Especially when he rips off as much stuff as he does.

>> No.4667351

>>4667252

It's still a derivative and independent character NURRRRRRR

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Doujin game that makes a million references to outside material (Alice > Alice in Wonderland, UN Owen > And Then There Were None, etc)... and the music sounds a lot like other music? YOU DON'T SAY

>> No.4667355

>>4667346
Oh, and there's also the fact that making money off of artists intellectual property without their permission is illegal.

>> No.4667357

ITT: retards getting butthurt that a fucking doujin artist is copying stuff.

Nobody even pay for his songs for God's sake. What next? We should sue every amateur artist who make remixes?

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>>4667344
Inexperienced amateur!

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>>4667350
have you even bothered reading any of the song descriptions?

>> No.4667363

>>4667361
Have you? Name one where he mentions taking the melody from another song.

>> No.4667366

>>4667350
All music rips off other music in huge ways. There, you now know the secret of music, try to not be too shocked.

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>OP

>> No.4667377

And the guy who made the music for Doom stole from a bunch of industrial metal songs. Doesn't make it any less awesome.

>> No.4667378
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>> No.4667384

All Touhou music is is a bunch of shitty pop songs from the 80s. How does that feel?

>> No.4667387

>>4667355

You don't understand copyright law in japan, lol.

Doujin work are totally allowed to make money off intellectual property with no permission.

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>> No.4667391
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Touhou songs slapped my mother and had sex with my girlfriend.

>> No.4667393

You guys probably think Avril Lavinge is a music genius too. Are you a bunch of teenage girls or something? Dumb sluts.

>> No.4667401

>>4667363
UN Owen Was Her

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>>4667393
You can do it! You're already to the unfounded accusation stage! Go, troll, go!

>> No.4667406

>>4667366
Let me tell you the secret of society:

Everyone rips off everyone.

Everything you have ever used, seen, listened to, touched, or otherwise experienced is built off of previous generations' work.

There is nothing called "originality," only a new conglomeration that seems original and breathes new life into older concepts.

We are all standing on the shoulders of our forefathers. We are all just a little bit richer and more knowledgeable because of the endeavors of our ancestors.

If you make something, you are using the knowledge of years past to do so, even if you don't know it. Even if you take apart a car and learn how to make it, you have the person who originally made that car to thank for you knowing how to make it.

Stop being obsessive about it.

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>> No.4667416

>>4667406

Tell me the secret of Sion.

>> No.4667417

>>4667406
Obviously if I make a book that's just someone else's book with the names changed, I should get full credit, right? You people are so fucking delusional.

>> No.4667419

>>4667412

My god, this is the perfect reaction.

>> No.4667423

>>4667417

No, but you could legally sell it at Comiket.

And if all the names are now touhous, Reitaisai.

>> No.4667424

>>4667417
people HAVE done that before though

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>> No.4667433

I think ZUN is a pretty cool guy, eh improves final fantasy and lufia muzak and doesn't afraid of anything

>> No.4667434

>>4667417
No, I don't expect you to understand, because you are an obvious troll.

I thought that was obvious, in and of itself.

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>>4667417
Obviously if someone made a movie that's just the plot and purpose of Fern Gully and Dances With Wolves but in space and with different visuals, they wouldn't be allowed to make insane amounts of money off of it, right?

>> No.4667442

>>4667433
I'm going to improve Romeo and Juliet by calling it Ronald and Julie. I'm a fucking genius.

>> No.4667445

>>4667434
I'm not a troll, you are just a delusional blind fanboy moron cunt.

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Step 1: Pick a melody/chord progression you like.
Step 2: Arrange it with instruments to your liking.
Step 3: Develop the melody with variations and other musical techniques.

Congratulations, you now know how composers have learned to write music since the beginning of time. (before they had other composers to rip off, they stole birdsongs and other sounds from nature)

>> No.4667453

>>4667445
lol you're incredibly stupid aren't you

>> No.4667454

>>4667442

Maybe you can think up better names for other characters, too.

I mean, what the fuck kind of name is "Mercutio"?

No offense to the guy, Mercutio is the best damn character in Romeo & Juliet, but that's an incredibly strange name.

>> No.4667455

The new method of trolling now is just retarded.
1) Make a stupid statement
2) Samefag your thread until people decide "oh well, I'll respond"
3) Link every post not made by you to a "u mad?" image
4) If anyone denies that they are mad, insist that they are
5) Lather rinse repeat

On every fucking board. The new generation of ADD-riddled children sure is boring and uncreative.

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>> No.4667457

>>4667445
Don't be mean to Sion-chan!

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>>4667442
You can legally do that. Shakespeare is in the public domain.

>> No.4667462

>>4667445
OP is getting mad that we aren't getting mad.

y u so mad OP?

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>this thread

>> No.4667478

>>4667228
>asians
>plagiarism
Redundant.

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>> No.4667481

>>4667455
Anon-kun got owned and buttangery

>> No.4667482

>>4667462
Because this shithole is no matter than fucking Gaia. It's just full of aspies and delusional fanboys. You're probably all bedwetting furries too. Fuclk you people seriously.

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>>4667456
Upgraded you're cat.

>> No.4667489

Be warned:

OP is practicing the ITROLLU response for any post with a shred of derision against him, followed by samefagging.

Do not trust any post that bumps this thread.

Proceed with abandon.

>> No.4667496

>>4667245
Composing = copying apparently.

>> No.4667497

I don't really care if it's copied. I still enjoy his songs.

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>>4667482

>> No.4667505

>>4667489
When have I said "ITROLLU?"
You're just a delusional faggot who doesn't want to try to debate me because you know you can't.

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>>4667482
Fuclk to you too, buddy. No point getting mad at us for not falling in line with your preconception of how we're supposed to be.

>> No.4667508

>>4667482
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StCoClvLb4Y

>> No.4667513

I don't care if Yoko Kanno copies, because I really like Inner Universe and Tank.

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>This thread

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Call Liberty.

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/thread

Go back to masturbating children.

>> No.4667522

Look at all those reaction images. It's like /b/ in here. Who let all these underaged b&s in?

>> No.4667523
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Hey OP.. pic related

>> No.4667524

>>4667505
Sorry, I only debate sentient opponents. Walls don't provide much intellectual stimulation in an argument.

>> No.4667527

>>4667518
And ZUN just makes shitty generic trumpet wankery. Woo-fucking hoo.

>> No.4667528

>>4667518
I dont want to be anywhere near masturbating children, but thanks for the offer.

>> No.4667529

>>4667518
Masturbating children is /jp/'s favorite pastime.

>> No.4667530

>>4667523
Jesus Christ... He fucking mad.

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>>4667455
ffffffff, he didn't link my previous post and say "u mad".

>> No.4667532

>>4667496

Composing = taking other music and deriving from it.

Music isn't like art. You can splatter paint on a canvas and someone will like it because you can attach meaning to it. They'd treat it as some inane riddle.
You make a cacophony and nobody will appreciate it. There's no meaning to nonsense. Harmony and beat is what's appreciated in music, from death metal to classical.
Since not everyone can generate harmony from the ether, they take harmonious melodies and derive from them in their own works.

>> No.4667535

>>4667518
I don't have a child to masturbate, sorry anonymous.

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>> No.4667541

>>4667505
What's there to debate? music sounds like other music. That is an inescapable truth. All media is like this. That's why we can classify plots and characters and styles and themes and so forth and so forth. Inspiration means "based on something else I liked."

>> No.4667542

>>4667532
> Music isn't like art
> music isn't art
OP here, don't know if serious.

>> No.4667543

>>4667455
Mind if I quote you on that?

>> No.4667546

>>4667541
Based on = directly copied and then said ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL. Faggot

>> No.4667547

>>4667527
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>> No.4667548

>>4667542

Okay, "art" is vague. I should've said painting.

>> No.4667549

>implying Japan doesn't steal anything it likes and makes it theirs

>> No.4667551

Anyone know what Immortal Smoke is taken from? I'm curious now.

>> No.4667553
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>> No.4667554

>>4667549
Corean spotted.

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What the fuck is even going in this thread that I don't even

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>>4667482
In this case, I have bad news for you, anon...

>> No.4667559

>>4667542

Music isn't art since XIX century.

>> No.4667560

>107 posts and 45 image replies in 45 minutes.
oh /jp/.

>> No.4667562

>>4667532
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RnUAsUjPPU

>> No.4667563

>>4667543
Please do.

>> No.4667566

>>4667560

This is some kinda meta-trolling where we troll the OP about failing to troll us. It's terribly silly. You should try it!

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>> No.4667572

You guys can't use "aspie" anymore, since Asperger's has been shown to be complete horseshit.

>> No.4667574

>>4667559
Please tell me I didn't read this. Please god, descend from heavens and tell me.

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>>4667555

>> No.4667582

I take it you guys don't listen to any music outside of weeaboo shit.
Also, does anyone know what Immortal Smoke is taken from? I'm sure one of you guys know.

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>> No.4667586

>>4667572
Then why am I on disability?

>> No.4667588

>>4667582
>I take it you guys don't listen to any music outside of weeaboo shit.

Music died with Temple of the Dog, man.

>> No.4667592

>>4667417
This might not be as uncommon as you might think.
This is also true for many major titles.

>> No.4667595

>>4667546
You seem to be the kind of person who is too sensitive to things. Or a person who supports the DMCA to excess. In any case, do you mean to say that knowing where the melodies came from make you like them less?

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>>4667588

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>>4667582
Insult someone before you request something. It helps get results.

>> No.4667618

ITT, not a single person in the thread has realized that the second video is beaner garbage and not Touhou.

>> No.4667621

>>4667606
Problems, Fleet Command?

>> No.4667626

☢ CAUTION ☢ MASTER ☢ TROLL ☢ CAUTION ☢

>> No.4667629

>>4667618
ITT we didn't watch more than one minute into the video for the trumpet melody that sounds like Wind God Girl
Or ITT we don't have a musical ear
Probably both.

>> No.4667630

>>4667554
u mad

>> No.4667633

>>4667621
The problem is you're probably unfamiliar with good music.

>> No.4667649

>>4667633
I think that's your problem and not mine, bro.

>> No.4667652

So you guys basically admit that pretty much every single melody in a Touhou song is taken from something else, right?

>> No.4667653

That's fine. I never liked the music of the games anyway.

>> No.4667658

>>4667652

>So you guys basically admit that pretty much every single melody [...] is taken from something else, right?

Yes.

>> No.4667660

>>4667652
No, I don't think anyone has said that, so far.

Also, kill yourself. This is just boring, now.

>> No.4667663

>>4667658
Like I said, you guys need to listen to some,or any, music that isn't Japanese. White people are actually capable of creating original content.

>> No.4667665

>>4667663

This is what aryans actually believe

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You do not feed them.

>> No.4667674

>>4667663
Oh, you're one of those faggots that thinks /jp/ == Weeaboo.

Now you should really kill yourself.

>> No.4667675

>>46676655
This is what weeaboos actually believe.

>> No.4667677

The only one that remotely sounded ripped off was Virus and Septette for the Dead Princess

Everything else is just nit picking, it's like saying HUR HUR THIS ARTIST DREW A POSE LIKE MINE, THEY TOTALLY RIPPED ME OFF ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL

>> No.4667681

What's the song called at 7:55?

>> No.4667683

>>4667674
If you think every melody ever is a ripoff something else, you're probably listening to Asian shit. It's a logical conclusion.

>> No.4667690

>>4667677
Holy Gene Simmons' son, I forgot your name since no one gives a fuck about you.

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Shitstorm? In my /jp/?

>> No.4667704

>>4667663

Yeah because we only listen to touhou remixes...

I bet you don't even know Blind Guardian or Avantasia.

>> No.4667705

>>4667683

Or am not illusioned about the PERFECT MASTER RACE who apparently never steal songs ever, oh no they pull all that talent down from the heavens because god chose only them.

>> No.4667711

THERE'S NO NEED TO GETANGRY

>> No.4667715

>>4667704
Well fuck, I didn't mean to start another holy war.

>> No.4667721

>>4667704
>I bet you don't even know Blind Guardian or Avantasia.
>Blind Guardian, Avantasia
I was just ignoring the shitstorm but ended up reading this. That was sarcasm, right? RIGHT? AHAHAHAHA, RIGHT?

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Patchy hijack

>> No.4667729

>>4667711
Getting angry is the only way to get disillusional weeaboo dipshits to listen. Otherwise they'd be too busy fapping to ghosts in bonnets or some retarded autistic shit.

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>> No.4667741
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>>4667729

the ghost wears a swirly hat

>> No.4667742

>>4667683
No, Western music is invariably a rip-off of earlier Western music.

Most of the time, they're unabashed about it, which I commend them for.

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>> No.4667748

>>4667742
name something that isn't pop drivel.

>> No.4667749

>>4667683

Great. Then why don't you show us something that wasn't ripped off?

>> No.4667750

>>4667729
>disillusional

Why so uneducated?

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>> No.4667756

>>4667742
In during wild claim with no examples or supporting evidence.

>> No.4667757

>>4667675
>>4667665
>Quoting South Park in a "X is unoriginal" thread.

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>> No.4667765

faggots trying to belittle ZUN hahahahaahaha
with all due seriousness, he is a great composer. There are lots of people who made compositions similar to other compositions without having any knowledge of them. I really doubt ZUN is a plagarist. He made the program, he made the characters, he made the stories, and he's been working on it since highschool. Why would he stop at music? I really, really doubt ZUN is a plagerist. It's just too farfetched.

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>> No.4667778

>>4667757

South Park's Scientology episode was at least brazen-balls with that, though.

>> No.4667779

>>4667765
Watch the videos and enlighten yourself then. If you don't see it after that, you either have no musical ear, or are completely in denial.

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>> No.4667792

>>4667765
> He is a great composer
No taste detected.

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The closest thing to original music we still have today would be jazz, in my opinion. While it does tend to gravitate towards certain notes, scales, and rhythms, the basis and origin of the style is on improvisation.
But who cares. Insulting something popular makes you cool and makes trolling easy.

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>> No.4667806

>>4667792
>Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>> No.4667807

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>> No.4667808

>>4667765
I knew you idiots were in denial, but here's my proof.

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Slang Dictionary
troll
2. n.
an internet user who sends inflammatory or provocative messages designed to elicit negative responses or start a flame-war. (As a fisherman trolls for an unsuspecting fish.) : Don't answer those silly messages. Some troll is just looking for an argument.

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>> No.4667822

>>4667765
Come back when you're more educated on the topic.

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>> No.4667828

>>4667765
Come back when you actually looked at the links in the first post.

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>> No.4667841

Holy cow the OP is either a determined troll or one seriously butthurt faggot. Why so angry?

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Man do I love reading pointless arguments.

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>>4667828
>>4667822
>>4667808
>>4667792
>>4667779
This is quite possibly the most blatant samefagging I have ever seen.

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>> No.4667857

>>4667841
I think your angry. And owned. in the butt

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>> No.4667864

>>4667857
What about my angry?

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>> No.4667871

>>4667864
What about my butt?

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>> No.4667881

I mean just watch the videos. Every fucking song is a blatant ripoff. There's no remixing or anything. It's just the same damn thing.

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>>4667881
Whatever makes you sleep well at night OP

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>> No.4667904

>>4667881
I watched it. You're grasping at straws.

>> No.4667905

ITT people who have never played a musical instrument or composed music that don't understand how music works.

>> No.4667912

best thread in days

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>> No.4667923

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Cph7Tt4dk#t=0m28s

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>> No.4667946

Oh God this thread. I haven't laughed like this in years.

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>> No.4667972

Thats all folks, since the stupid arguments stopped. might as well stop dumping ( ゚ヮ゚)

>> No.4667978

>>4667972
Jesus Christ, you fucking fanatic nutcases will fucking do anythign to cover your butt buddy ZUN's ass. You really are pathetic.

>> No.4667984

>>4667978
Next time you do this, you might want to make it a little less obvious. Just a tad.

>> No.4667987

>>4667972
Music died in the XIX century!!
There, now post more Patchoulli.

>> No.4667992

>>4667984
You freaks are the one's that are being obvious. Are you all completely fucking insane? You're like furries or something.

>> No.4667997

>>4667992
>umad reaction image.png

>> No.4667999

>>4667997
I'm not mad. You people are freaking crazy.

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>>4667992
Cool story, bro.

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>>4667999
Either post pictures, more Youtube links, or GTFO.

>> No.4668010

>>4668004

Pardon me if I'm drooling.

>> No.4668011

At least furries keep to themselves

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And so the samefagging continues

>> No.4668014

>>4667417
The author of Harry potter got sued for plagiarizing somebody else's work. And you know what? She's still making books!

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>> No.4668034

>>4668014
You... don't know how to take it easy! ^_^

>> No.4668038

>>4668014
Are you freaking retarded? The thing she supposedly plagiarized was some post-apocalyptic thing with horse people No wizards. It's not the same thing as completely copying songs like ZUN does.

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>> No.4668048

>>4668038

No one cares but you.

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>> No.4668067

>>4668048
Because you're all a bunch of delusional blind fanatical fanboys, that's why.

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>>4668004
Sweet motherfucking Jesus Christ...

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>>4668067
And that affects you? oh wow

>> No.4668086

>>4668067

I'm not denying that he is copying other songs. I'm just saying- WHO THE FUCK CARES? Nowadays it seems like there is no originality in the music world, and no body gives a fuck. Why does it surprise you so much?

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