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Antagonist in VNs thread.
Which ones are your favorites?
Pic related, I never hated a character so much.

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Houzuki

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SUPURAIZU PAATEI!

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>>4627249

NTR is easy mode for antagonists. They win, so it's easy to hate them.

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>>4627247
God, this guy was manipulative and vicious as fucking hell, the game's fucking opening scene, and in the end pretty decently developed for an antagonist even though I thought most of his reasoning for his cruelness was pathetic and whiny, though actually understandable in a way. His last scene in Henri's route was pretty awesome too. I just realized he can pretty much be saying, "Bitches and whores."

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Gore

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>>4627314
gore was funny

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>>4627309
>Henri
Who?

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>>4627282
But he lost.

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>>4627423

All he has to do is steal your waifu's purity away and he has won forever.

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Man, fuck this guy.

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クチャクチャ

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>>4627247
What visual novel is this man from?
A Nitro+?

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>>4627541
Tenshi no Nichou Kenjuu, also known as Angelos Armas

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>>4627541
Angelos Armas. Yes, that's Higashiguchi art.

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You aren't even living beings!

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S'up?

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>>4627578
Yeah, that's pretty much the whole lo--wait a minute, what are Saya and Kurame doing here?

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>>4627578
Who are the three masked ones?

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I've never empathized with a "villain" character so much before. I guess it helps that he's also the protagonist.

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That guy from Eien no Aselia. Jeez I hated him

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>>4627613
Jingai Makyou, Blassreiter and SMT

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>>4627628
Why do people always confuse villains and antagonists?
Don't people know what the words means?

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>>4627957
Really, with Saya no Uta, it depends on your perspective on who is exactly the antagonist, or who is the protagonist. Typically, I imagine Kouji is the regular antagonist while the Doctor is the true villain.
However, looking at the story through Kouji's eyes, you can tell that both Saya and Fuminori become the antagonists.

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>>4627981
>it depends on your perspective
Eh?
The antagonist is the character that plays the opposing role of the protagonist (the one you follow).
This actually means that when Fuminori is the protagonist, Kouji is is the antagonist and that Fuminori actually is the antagonist when the roles are switched and Kouji takes the place of the protagonist.
So both of them plays the roles of both protagonist and antagonists at different parts of the novel.

But you can argue on whether or not there are villains and who they are and all that.

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>>4628036
By your very own definition of the words, there was nothing wrong with my (>>4627628) post; other than the fact that it might be 'off-topic' but that's just semantics.

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>>4628036
Oops, I must have not made my post clear enough, I did try to mean what you had said. Saya's narrator/protagonist changes quite frequently depending on which route you take. At the end of the story, when you have a large enough emotional connection to the characters, I think you can decide who really was the villain or the "problem" for either Fuminori/Kouji.

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Koji from Saya no Uta made me rage so much.

The doctor was a close second.

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All Fuminori wanted to do was live happily with Saya.

Koji and the others were the assholes getting in the way.

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>>4628072
I figured that the post was either simply off-topic as seems to have been the case, or someone who mixed things up again.
I actually figured that it might have been the former, as nothing was wrong with calling him a villain yet protagonist, but I responded as I did anyway.

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>>4627628
Saya no Uta was 25% story and 75% porn. Admit it.

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>>4628190
Saya no Uta is still better than half of the trash out there.

i.e. fate/stay night

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>>4628174
Yes, 'assholes getting in the way' by trying to help him/get him to open up to them after the accident. Surely that means they should die, be raped, eaten, and so on?

Sure, in their perception, they were only doing what they had to, to keep their private little comfort zone alive, but in doing so, Fuminori willingly threw aside the people who cared about him without even giving them a single chance. Saya had other options when it came to food, and raping that schoolfriend of his into a tortured existance was just fucking upside down. They were selfish bastards, but one of them was a monster who viewed humans in the same way bratty teenagers see mice "they're small/less powerful, killing them is fine because I am superior", whereas Fuminori was just plain crazy and trying to preserve his last slice of sanity by any means necessary.

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>>4627341
This guy. Not only because he's the biggest asshole I've seen outside of an NTR game, but also because he's the weakest part of the game, since he has no motivation other than being an asshole. I thought they were gonna actually develop him into a decent character when Chris and Lise snuck into his house to look for the score, but then it goes straight back to mindless cruelty for no good reason. He drags an otherwise excellent route down so much.

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>>4628255
>trying to preserve his last slice of sanity by any means necessary

You wouldn't do the same?

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>>4628255

It's kind of Saya's purpose in life to overtake and devour other species. She really doesn't give a shit about the moralfag elements, she just wanted a loyal husbando before she could do her whole species hijack.

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>>4628147
>>4628174
This.

>>4628270
That makes him your favorite?

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>>4628343
Sorry, I can't read, apparently. I skimmed OP's text and only got the first and 3rd lines, so I assumed it was most hated, especially when people brought up the Saya shit.

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>>4628272
I don't know. I'm pretty sure months of living in that state would have an effect on me too, but if I hated it so much, I would at least make some effort to rectify it. In one hand I could take my open knowledge of why this is happening to me and seek medical help and support from others, which is offered to me constantly, or in the other hand I can totally disregard all options to help myself and instead resign myself to living tortured forever. I think i'd go with "AAAAAAAAAA HELP". Also, this is irrelevent. Koji is not the 'bad guy' by a long shot.

>>4628287
Again, this is besides the point, it doesn't make Saya's adversaries the badguys. Hell, wanting to assimilate a species doesn't make her evil either, however, torture-raping someone for a long period, reducing her to an agonised existance in which the person she fell in love with rapes her (and thinks she is complying, because of his mental condition)? Yeah, that doesn't strike me as something anyone in a positive role does. Admittedly, the rape bullshit seemed tacked on to suit the fetish crowd. I would have been far more able to empathise with Saya if not for that.

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ITT

Faggots who don't like monster lolis.

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>>4628255
They were such assholes for trying to support a friend in need! Also how dare a doctor ask if he has sideeffects so they can be treated! Obviously he hates the sideeffects so much he wouldnt want them to leave! DERP

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>>4628364
I don't think I can ever really like Fuminori and Saya. I mean, at the beginning they were okay, but once I saw what happened to the others and how Kouji just truly wanted to save his god damn friend, I could only side with him. Although, I think everyone in the end gets a bad end. Kouji either dies or commits suicide, Fuminori becomes insane/dies or gets locked up. The rest I assume die or go insane.
I guess in the end, some characters are just more sympathetic than others.

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>>4628406
For some reason, I had a feeling she knew about Fuminori's condition. She wanted to pry him open and make him confess it, so she could go kill Saya. I'd say the Doctor is probably one of the more static characters who is hard to sympathize with. (That doesn't stop her from being cool though)

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That is why Saya no Uta was good; you can empathise with the main villains (fuminori and saya). I loved how the game made no effort to fully disguise the horrors either. It always made it very apparent that whilst what you are seeing is beautiful through Fuminori's eyes, it only means the reality is nighmarishly horrible. Such as Saya's blossoming. A tear-jerkingly bittersweet moment, so beautiful, and yet at the same time you can only imagine what it looks to those able to see reality as it is.

Saya no Uta put the "love" in Lovecraft, even monsters can have beating hearts, and beauty is often in the eye of the beholder.

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>>4628449
It was said during the length of the story that she highly suspected him of having something wrong, but her hands were tied until he opened up. It is only later that she hears of Saya, and ends up getting more deeply involved and revealing more of her past.

>>4628364
I'm not so sure Saya was meant to be an "innocently goodwilled yet horribly ugly alien." Even disregarding the 'tacked-on' rape scene, she only found Fuminori because she enjoyed terrorising mental patients during the night. She's a nasty one alright, but not one-dimenionally bad.

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>>4628379
so ronery

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>>4628379
Just like any other Saya thread. Except this is not a Saya thread, fuck you niggers.

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>>4628174
>>4628147
Why do people on /jp/ tend to always give Kouji the short end of the straw?
I can sympathize with both sides, but didn't you guys rage when Kouji had his girlfriend and friend murdered by Fuminori, a friend that he in a sense also had lost. He had his entire future wrecked, and it also looked kind of promising.
And the scene with him in the well was also very emotional.

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Battler.

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>>4628831
I didn't. It was their own fault.

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>>4627202
Fucking Genha, he was bastard to core, altough you hate him to core you just cant help liking him in some twisted way.
Sometimes it's good that some antagonist are clearly cut for villain role with no moral ambiguity, altough I don't say that ambiguity is for bad as is with SnU.

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>>4628222

>Saya no Uta is still better than half of the trash out there.

>i.e. fate/stay night

Ah yes,the classic /jp/ uber kids who think themselves above others just because they assume they read "superior" materials.

i.e.Lovecraftian sex story

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>>4628831
They all were socialfags, I didn't partially care.

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>>4630696
Gotta love when you fight him for the final time in Renn's route.

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Scythe Master

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>>4630815
yeah, In the end he wasn't "that" much of bad guy he was just fucked up, it was the circumstances that made him what he is if I remember it right. Maybe should go and replay force one day as starting to forget stuff from it.

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Japanese priest saying hello

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Uh, whats his face from Ayakashibito

And of course, Looseboy's antagonists.

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>>4630896
why hello there Gregory, could you recommend me some good chainsaws? But he was pretty great too, altough Gilbert was OK too, after he got away from that Genha copy image of his.

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>>4631056
Even his mech and attacks were similar to Genha's

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Yo. He, he, he.

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Awww yes the chainsaw, a well established symbol of religious wrath