Battler should just kill Lambda and Bernkastel. They're in his fragment and he's got the advantage of being its master. He's more powerful than them because he's in his element, so he should gut them instead of playing another fucking game.

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Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:03:27 2010 No.4579685 [Reply] [Original]

Battler should just kill Lambda and Bernkastel. They're in his fragment and he's got the advantage of being its master. He's more powerful than them because he's in his element, so he should gut them instead of playing another fucking game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:03:27 2010 No.4579686 He should impregnate them instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:05:27 2010 No.4579693 He should fuck them in the shitter until they lost bowel movement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:05:27 2010 No.4579695 Bern hijacked the gameboard, dude,

TissueKidd !Ebe/KpvDJU Mon Mar 8 01:05:27 2010 No.4579694

I always thought that perhaps, if Battler just accepted magic at this point, he could just have a crazy magic battle with Lambda and Bern and fucking kill them, and proceed to have an amazing Stake-Witch-Bunny-Demon Harem.

But no. We'll get Kohaku route fanfic.

>>	Sakura !!32RHYzwb/Ga Mon Mar 8 01:06:27 2010 No.4579702 >>4579685 He doesn't have the power to just 'kill' them simply because they are on his game board. He can banish them, and they can leave of their own free will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:07:27 2010 No.4579704 >>4579695 for the seventh game right? I don't get it, did Battler step down from GM? He's still the Endless Sorcerer, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:08:27 2010 No.4579710 Episode 8: Battler and Beato destroys the Kakera they are in, killing themselves and the Bern+Lambda duo

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:09:27 2010 No.4579712 File: 344 KB, 663x953, 2lado3l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4579702 why not banish them? He didn't like them intruding into Beatrice's game in the first place

TissueKidd !Ebe/KpvDJU Mon Mar 8 01:09:27 2010 No.4579715

>>4579702
Also, if Battler is now aware of the truth and understands that witches don't exist, how is he still interacting with and talking to them.

Or is it like, that thing where "He just wanted to prove witches had no impact on the gameboard in particular."

That issue just never seemed that clear to me.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:12:27 2010 No.4579730

>>4579710

meh I think the whole Featherine/Bern subplot will be resolved in the next Episode. Lambdadelta isn't as sadistic as those two, she just seems to be in the background

last episode is Battler on the witch side vs. Beatrice on the human side. Battler trying to keep the illusion of witch so Beatrice won't disappear while Beatrice acknowledges that works against him to reveal the truth on her own terms. Because she is the only one to destroy her own illusion

>>	Sakura !!32RHYzwb/Ga Mon Mar 8 01:13:27 2010 No.4579735 >>4579712 Who is he supposed to play against if he just banished them? >>4579715 Battler knows the truth of what happened on Rokkenjima, that doesn't necessarily mean the witches in the meta world don't exist.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:14:27 2010 No.4579741

>>4579730
> last episode is Battler on the witch side vs. Beatrice on the human side. Battler trying to keep the illusion of witch so Beatrice won't disappear while Beatrice acknowledges that works against him to reveal the truth on her own terms. Because she is the only one to destroy her own illusion
...Oh wow. I don't usually like the hobo-type ends, but... I'd be oddly okay with this one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:14:27 2010 No.4579742 >>4579735 I guess. But shouldn't he be trying to revive Beatrice instead of playing games with witches?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:15:27 2010 No.4579744 >>4579742 He did both at the same time. But then he messed up the former so was a bit distracted while doing the latter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:17:27 2010 No.4579759 >>4579742 He should be saving his family and keeping his sister from a lifetime of angst, rather than playing with witches or reviving a person who never really existed in the first place. He's just an idiot all around.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:20:27 2010 No.4579776

>>4579685
Well... he is the master of this kakera.
Now, saying a mere human can kill a miracle-maker and someone who can certainly do whatever she desires...
Nigga better get a reality check if he plans on taking a pass on them.

Now, >>4579686's idea... I'm sure they'd agree on a reverse rape...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:20:27 2010 No.4579779 >>4579759 Or he knows more about the situation than we do. It's possible that he CAN'T go back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:22:27 2010 No.4579786 >>4579776 According to Lambda (or maybe it was Bern), Beato had the potential to exceed the powers of the two Voyagers combined, if she only realized it. Now that Battler has Beato's power, it's possible that he'll realize it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:23:27 2010 No.4579792 >>4579759 yeah goddamn Battler. Whatever happened to Ange's sacrifice? Jeez he forgets stuff quickly and if Battler stepped down from the GM position after EP6, what exactly is he doing now? Hanging out with Fusiontrice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:23:27 2010 No.4579800 >>4579779 Even if he can't go back, that is hardly an excuse, unless he is a selfish asshole.

>>	Sakura !!32RHYzwb/Ga Mon Mar 8 01:23:27 2010 No.4579801 >>4579742 But he revives Beatrice at the beginning of Game 6.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:23:27 2010 No.4579804 >>4579792 You want a text or image reply for that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:26:27 2010 No.4579822 >>4579804 both if possible >>4579801 right.... shame its not the original Beato. I don't think she'll ever return

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:26:27 2010 No.4579825 >>4579730 I have ALWAYS loved this idea for an ending. I really hope it happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:26:27 2010 No.4579827 >>4579792 Ange didn't seem to mind it too much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:27:27 2010 No.4579832 >>4579712 Lambda and Battler implied that it's somehow important for someone on the outside (like the Voyagers) to "observe" that Battler got the right answer. Some kind of cat box thing, probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:29:27 2010 No.4579846 File: 471 KB, 1200x1100, 8609018.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bern and Lambda will be alive at the end of the series. Beato and Meta Battler won't. Calling it now.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:30:27 2010 No.4579851
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sooo who exactly is Bern's opponent in EP7? Or is she just revealing all the mysteries of the gameboard?

also hope that there's a magic fight between Bern and Battler

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:31:27 2010 No.4579863

>>4579792
I'll be horribly disappointed if it doesn't turn into some kind of three-way brawl. Bern running a mystery illusion as the game master, Featherinne playing detective, and Battler and Beato running a witch illusion to defend everyone's reputations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:31:27 2010 No.4579867 >>4579846 Oh without a doubt, I'd even wager that Bern will "find her heart hurp derp"

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:33:27 2010 No.4579880 >>4579851 Seconding this. I really want to see the "You don't mess with me" side of Bern. Something like her going all "think as you like, most of you are dead anyways. But know that you can't win in this world."

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:33:27 2010 No.4579886

>>4579863
but Featherine charged Bern to reveal the mysteries as the GM. We've never had a GM who works against the illusion so I dunno what her gameboard is gonna be like. But yeah Battler & Beato show up to save everyone from Bern's depraved board. Lambda should tag along for the lulz

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:34:27 2010 No.4579889 >>4579867 Even Ryukishi can't drag Bern out of her moral black hole at this point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:34:27 2010 No.4579893 >>4579867 >implying that she has a heart to begin with

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:35:27 2010 No.4579898 >>4579889 Lambda's doing her best to do so, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:35:27 2010 No.4579904 >>4579889 well he's self-referenced his works to the point of lulz. Might as well go the extra mile and include the heart flashback with Keiichi

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:36:27 2010 No.4579909 >>4579893 Requesting the translation of Bernkastel's image song, please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:37:27 2010 No.4579919 >>4579898 lol who would have thought that Lambda would turn out to be the good one. Way to switch roles from Higurashi

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:37:27 2010 No.4579921

Lambda becomes a piece, and her piece starts flirting with piece Battler in front of everybody. Both piece Battler and piece Lambda walk out of the bathroom together only to be seen by piece Beatrice, who then rages and rapes Battler right there. Everything is revealed in the wake of this and good harem end happens.(Erika being the only one who still dies, by drowning.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:37:27 2010 No.4579923 >>4579909 yeah yeah its a song of redemption, not evil blah blah still want her to be a bitch though. SO AWESOME that way

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:37:27 2010 No.4579925 >>4579886 I figure Bern will try to expose all of the background plots driving the witch's illusion, but she'll lie left and right about the motives to make everyone look like greedy depraved psychopaths.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:38:27 2010 No.4579927 >>4579889 Beatrice was pretty much a bitch in 2, and she made a total 180.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:39:27 2010 No.4579937 >>4579923 Well she IS a bitch. But she's a bitch because of her circumstances. Kinda like the reason why Beatrice was so screwed up mentally was because she'd been stuck in the meta world for the equivalent of 1000 years or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:39:27 2010 No.4579939 >>4579921 Oddly enough, I am totally ok with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:39:27 2010 No.4579940 >>4579927 Bern has not done a 180 turn in 6 episodes. She's not going to start now. Pretty please, R07....

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:40:27 2010 No.4579945 File: 155 KB, 648x648, 1265663140602.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4579925 but they're already greedy psychopaths. No harm done

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:42:27 2010 No.4579962 >>4579940 Well, she wasn't overtly a bitch until what, EP4? At the very least, you could form an argument that she had Battler's best interests in 1-3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:42:27 2010 No.4579963 File: 261 KB, 750x850, 511acae2420c8e268ebe7b9a0c67fda8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4579937 wait for it.... Bern hates Beatrice for not losing the one thing she did back in Higurashi Hope ;__;

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:43:27 2010 No.4579969 File: 109 KB, 450x413, berncatel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4579945 This.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:44:27 2010 No.4579978 >>4579962 yeah, Ryu07 making her a bitch seemed kinda forced. Its like he hadn't decided what to do with her character at that point

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:44:27 2010 No.4579981
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If Bern turns "nice" I swear to god I will rage so hard the gods in the heaven will hear me. Beatrice i can understand, but Bern? The character who has marketed herself as nothing more than a cruel, heartless, bitch? The character who purposely ruined Ange and Eva's relationship for her amusement? The girl who used Ange's death to provoke Battler into playing her game?

Goddamnit Ryukishi if you make Bern nice i will

I will...[/spoiler]cry[/spoiler]

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:44:27 2010 No.4579983 >>4579978 He had. Go read old interviews. He was telling us not to trust her blindly from the start.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:45:27 2010 No.4579987 >>4579981 Well shit, look at me anonymous I was so angry I used the spoiler tags wrong

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:46:27 2010 No.4579993

>>4579962
She still does.
What, do you expect her not to get bored, the only poison against them? The reason she started all her bitchiness was out of boredom.
This time (EP7) it seems she's going to help him out with the details, in her own sadistic way.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:46:27 2010 No.4579996

>>4579962
> At the very least, you could form an argument that she had Battler's best interests in 1-3.
You could... but it would be flimsy, at best, considering Bern flat-out told Battler that the reason she was helping him was because he was trying to win the game, and she's using the game to alleviate her boredom.

Basically, Bernkastel couldn't care less about who she uses to win, as long as they win. If they don't win, then they're pretty useless to her. I guess she thought Battler still had some potential at the end of Episode 2 or something, thus her little pep talk, but the whole time she only had her own interests in mind.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:47:27 2010 No.4580003
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>>4579983

he did. Gawddammit old man

she was supposed to be good! ;__;

NOT SOME EVIL DEPRAVED BITCH!!!! OH GOD I HOPE SHE GETS FUCKING KILLED IN THE END!!!!!!!!!!! SHE DOESN'T TO SURVIVE THIS SEREIS!!!!!

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:48:27 2010 No.4580013 >>4579993 how does revealing the Witch's illusion help him? If anything he'll resent her for it since its supposed to his job. Well self-proclaimed job

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:50:27 2010 No.4580018 >>4580010 Well, OK, since you said it so calmly... God damn, that's the reason Eva married Hideousyoshi. Not because of anything, except him being a walking chill pill.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:52:27 2010 No.4580027

>>4579981
>The character who purposely ruined Ange and Eva's relationship for her amusement?
You are now realizing that Beato helped that situation along, even if it was inadvertently. Why is everyone in Umineko so incompetent, please kill everyone, Lambdadelta.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:52:27 2010 No.4580037

>>4580013
The way I see Bern is a reality check on two legs.
AS in, he's basically her bitch, he wanted to deny this shit and reveal the truth. She wants to win.
And ever since EP5, she's been like get back on the fucking track, or I'm going to get serious.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:52:27 2010 No.4580032

>>4579996

her words were kind for a cruel bitchy witch. If she really had her own interests at heart, than whats with all the fluff in her pep talk? She could have done the same and still be cold about it. I dunno, its like she actually cared about Battler's fate when she talked to him

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:53:27 2010 No.4580040 >>4580032 Well, obviously she was bullshitting, because if she really cared about his fate, she wouldn't lock him inside his own mind for a couple years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:53:27 2010 No.4580043 >>4580032 > I dunno, its like she actually cared about Battler's fate when she talked to him I dunno. When you go back and read what she says in that scene, it almost seems sarcastic. "Your situation makes me so sad I could just cry"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:54:27 2010 No.4580052 >>4580040 And do note that she raged pretty hard when Battler came back at the end of Episode 5. Sort of a "what the fuck is this shit?!" kind of reaction

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:55:27 2010 No.4580058 >>4580043 It would have been nice if it was voiced, so we could figure out what the tone was supposed to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:55:27 2010 No.4580061 >>4580043 Not to mention after she nipah~☆'s she then says, "I've done this much for you now go on get up" or something like that, practically forcing him to get up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:56:27 2010 No.4580065 >>4580058 You don't need it. She was quite sarcastic there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:56:27 2010 No.4580070 >>4580043 Interesting how a line can sound totally different depending on your point of view. Kind of like the first arc of Higurashi, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:57:27 2010 No.4580078 >>4580058 the narrative didn't really imply any malevolence on Bern's part. But it'd be nice if the anime actually animated the goddamn scene >>4580040 >for a couple years wut

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:58:27 2010 No.4580080 >>4579996 What about the pep talk at the end of EP1 though? Bern wasn't talking to Battler then, she was talking to US. Bern was our ally, and we all betrayed her. And now we'll all come crawling back asking for answers in EP7...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:58:27 2010 No.4580088 >>4580058 Also, I know you'll hate to hear this, but see the anime's tea party. While that line was not inside, her mood is quite apparent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:58:27 2010 No.4580083 File: 196 KB, 655x1005, Motherfucking Moon-chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4580070 A lot of Umineko is like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:58:27 2010 No.4580087 >>4580078 He was there for the mental equivalent of a few years. Time works differently in the closed room than outside of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:59:27 2010 No.4580095 >>4580080 > Bern was our ally "......Don't get the wrong idea. I have no intention of becoming your ally." From the Episode 1 hidden tea party.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:59:27 2010 No.4580096 >>4580078 Didn't they imply that time flowed differently inside the locked room, like Beato's 6 real years = 1000 witch years?

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 01:59:27 2010 No.4580098

>>4580061
Well, for all her bitchiness, she didn't resort to using Ange's fate as ransom until EP5.

From the very beginning, she could have reminded him that oh right, your sister is fucking hating life, so you need to get things done, but she abstained for whatever reason.

If she mentioned that early on, I don't think he would have fallen so hard for Beato's EP3 trolling.

Personally I feel that she's the type of person that wants results. The ends always justify the means. She'll be nice and encourage you if she feels that is what will motivate you onward, but if you still fall short, she'll use more malicious ways to keep you going.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:01:27 2010 No.4580109 >>4580087 woah did Battler actually plan on getting caught on that detail in the first place?

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:01:27 2010 No.4580114

>>4580080
Have you read that pep talk recently?

............Something troublesome seems to have taken a liking to you.
I'd really like to lend you my power but, as you just heard, that girl's power and mine have a very bad compatibility. Unfortunately.
But you really are pitiful, so I'll help you out just a bit.
First of all, about that girl.

She does have the name Beatrice, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she is 'one individual woman'.
See what I mean?
In other words, she's not some human.
Her existence is a personification of the rules of this world.
To beat her, you have to expose the rules of this world and unravel them.

For example, this can be likened to learning the rules of chess by watching a game.
First, take a good look at the chessboard.
Then, learn the movements and roles of the pieces.
Then, look for the conditions required to win at her game.

When you've managed to reveal all of these things, her heart will be exposed.
After that, you can rip it apart or crush it as you please.
......I am being quite generous.
In the past, when I had a human body, it took me a hundred years to notice even this much.

This is my meager farewell gift to you, the pitiful one captured by Beato. It's just like a spoon.
A spoon can be used for more than just drinking soup.
You can use it to dig through the prison you're locked in, or as a weapon to gouge the witch's eyes out.

......Of course, you can also use the spoon to continually sip the watery soup inside your eternal prison.
......Don't get the wrong idea. I have no intention of becoming your ally.
I do feel empathy for you, but I won't help you.
...You're much like someone sitting in front of the television, yelling at the people on the other side even though your voice won't reach them.

SO, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I AM A WITCH, RIGHT?

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:02:27 2010 No.4580120

>>4580114
I intend to enjoy this endless tale that Beato is going to weave until I tire of it.
But that alone won't hold my interest.

......That's why I'll lend you my power. It's all so that I don't get tired of this.
I am the cruelest witch in the world.
Whoever the opponent may be, I'll certainly make them surrender.

...Even if it's Beatrice, the Endless Witch, alright...?
You are my game piece. Give it your best shot.
I'll give you advice sometimes, out of her sight.

Don't bore me, okay......?

*giggle*giggle*giggle*.......

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:02:27 2010 No.4580124 >>4580109 Of course not. The only reason he got fucked over was because Erika started doing weird shit, purposely trying to get him to commit a logic error. And for some reason he wasn't aware she was doing this.

Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:03:27 2010 No.4580136

>>4580124
I think the problem was that the Game Master still only has a limited view of things themselves (i.e. they can only view a single portion of the gameboard at once), and Battler wasn't paying too much attention to the movements of Erika's piece.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:03:27 2010 No.4580139 >>4580124 did they ever reveal the reason as to why Dlanor wouldn't accept Battler's reasoning? As I remember both Lambda and him were stumped when she rejected it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:03:27 2010 No.4580137 >>4580120 >I'll give you advice sometimes, out of her sight. This never happened

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:03:27 2010 No.4580135 >>4580043 It always seemed like she was either doing that only because it'd be bad for her goal if she didn't. Lambda is the only one of the two who would go out of her way every now and then to cheer him up even if he didn't truly need it at the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:04:27 2010 No.4580144 >>4580139 When/what reasoning?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:05:27 2010 No.4580153 >>4580096 Yeah, Featherine told Ange that at some point, the concept of time becomes distorted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:05:27 2010 No.4580154 >>4580139 Because Erika killed all the people who potentially could have switched places with Battler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:08:27 2010 No.4580197 completely unrelated to the topic, but did Ange die again at the end of EP6? Those innards on the plate don't sit well with me -_-

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:10:27 2010 No.4580216 >>4580197 Even if spoilers have been mentioned... Leaving thread right now...

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:12:27 2010 No.4580243 >>4580197 >-_- I thought emotes weren't welcome in /jp/ Anyway I doubt Ange became delicious hamburgers again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 8 02:13:27 2010 No.4580252 >>4580137 didn't she have another pep talk with Battler at the end of EP2?

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