I'd like to hear some good general Umineko theories. Shkannontrice has become too dominant and I want to hear other solutions. If not Shkannontrice, then...?

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Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:39:47 2010 No.4543806 [Reply] [Original]

I'd like to hear some good general Umineko theories. Shkannontrice has become too dominant and I want to hear other solutions.

If not Shkannontrice, then...?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:40:47 2010 No.4543812 hideyotrice

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:43:47 2010 No.4543823 >>4543806 Moon theory is a good supplement to have to Shkanontrice, or Shkanon in general And if you want to go SUPER CRAZY, Doubletrice is hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:44:47 2010 No.4543826 >>4543823 Moon theory?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:44:47 2010 No.4543827 moon-chan only, final destination

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:46:47 2010 No.4543834 >>4543820 >Impaling someone with an inhaler Genius.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:46:47 2010 No.4543835 >>4543826 Oh, that's shorthand for Jessica is a lying liar who lies alot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:47:47 2010 No.4543841 File: 45 KB, 256x192, y-edgeworth-shrug.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It was all a delusion

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:47:47 2010 No.4543844 >good >Umineko theories Pick one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:49:47 2010 No.4543857 >>4543841 If Edgeworth was the detective in Umineko, he'd find out that Kyrie did it. OH WAIT SHE'S NOT KYRIE SHE'S CALISTO YEW!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:49:47 2010 No.4543860 >>4543857 You mean 'KASUMI!'

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:50:47 2010 No.4543868
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Ryukishi double-trolls everyone and reveals that Jessitrice was not an obvious red herring but actually the answer to umineko. Shannon and Kanon are innocent pawns used to hide the witches grand scheme of prolonging her game with battler.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:51:47 2010 No.4543871 As for theories we have Basic Shkanon Basic Shkanontrice Moon-chan for either Jessitrice Doubletrice (Shkanontrice+Jessitrice, don't ask me) Kyrie mastermind for any Hideyoshi mastermind for any and the absolute best: TEATRICE

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:52:47 2010 No.4543875 >>4543871 DOUBLETRICE - TROLL EVERYONE, EXPLAIN EVERYTHING.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:52:47 2010 No.4543876 >>4543868 So a stupid cousin that sings Touhou songs and has interacted with him a few hours worth over the years proceeds to murder everyone. Fantastic/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:53:47 2010 No.4543889 >>4543875 Yeah, yeah It would be the ultimate troll by Ryuukishi, that and Shannon=/=Kanon don't ask me but I wouldn't put them past Ryu

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:55:47 2010 No.4543901 >>4543876 Better than a meido who interacted with him like one day breaks her mind in order to obtain his cock by killing everyone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:55:47 2010 No.4543904 Kanon with Nanjo as accomplice Kyrie

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:56:47 2010 No.4543911 >>4543876 SIX YEARS SIX YEARS SIX YEARS SIX YEARS SIX YEARS SIX YEARS SIX YEARS SIX YEARS

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:57:47 2010 No.4543915 >>4543901 AT least she is not blood related.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 18:58:47 2010 No.4543918 >>4543915 Being blood related=WIN Also they're cousins, not that important, it's not strange to get married cousincest>>>>stupid meido

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:01:47 2010 No.4543937

>>4543918
Incest is only worth it when it's taboo and a close relationship.
A relative you barely get to know is shit.
Oppressed child slave to a crazy old man dreaming a prince will save her has an actual modicum of sense as to why it had a strong impact/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:03:47 2010 No.4543946 >>4543875 There needs to be an official Doubletrice image, like how there's FUCKING MOON-CHAN and Shkannontrice pictures. Like Shannon's head shopped onto Dress-Beato and Jessica's onto Suit-trice, with TROLL EVERYONE, EXPLAIN EVERYTHING on it.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:04:47 2010 No.4543949

somebody watch the beginning of ep 2 and tell me that shannon is not a psycho meido that split her identity because of a shitty childhood.

I think Ryu has the same mentality and pattern in these stories.

1. Mental Disorders
2. blond (beatrice) female orphan culprit with freudian excuse
3. clashing perspectives based on narrator

So following that it's probably Shannon's life in fukuin and possibly after that led to her creating a little brother and then imagining kinzo's witch to be alive. Because more than 1 person agrees that these magic people exist then they can be allowed in the story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:05:47 2010 No.4543965 >>4543937 we can add Kinzo rape and white prince to Jessica too if you put it like that Shannon is shit, Ryu said she loved George, leave them alone, Kanon is better, but thinks that he's a guy

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:06:47 2010 No.4543971

How many of you actually read the episode?
It almost a fact thatthe original piece Beatrice doesn't exist and the one who created her doesn't love Battler anymore and went on. That is actually the reason she was created. A girl was helplessly in lvoe with him but didn't met his ideals. SO she stuffed all her feeling onto a imagainary being and then went on and proceed to love someoneelse.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:06:47 2010 No.4543972 >>4543965 Any good reason why Jessica should suffer such abuse, instead of the furniture?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:07:47 2010 No.4543985 >>4543965 Or we could have Jessica be a troll. I'm a Shkanontrice supporter, and I'd be totally fine with her being the marionette master.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:08:47 2010 No.4543987 >>4543949 Yeah, I replayed episode 2 with ShKanontrice in mind and fuck was it obvious, Shannon is fucking crazy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:08:47 2010 No.4543988 >>4543965 Kanon is more of a bro than that whiny faggot Battler why don't you guys let him get the girl he wanna fuck?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:08:47 2010 No.4543991 >>4543985 The problem is: Be a troll because? They did not buy her a famicom?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:09:47 2010 No.4544000 The Jessica mastermind/puppeteer doesn't make sense at all. Be it by her personality or motive, seriously I know you guys like her but you are being completely deluded there.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:10:47 2010 No.4544014

Beatrice and Shannon are like polar opposites.
Jessica doesn't have a motive afaik; EP4 felt like she killed George.

Shannon does do some shady things in EP2, but most likely she's exploiting the legend in George's benefit. And to top that off, it doesn't look like the silk dress Beatrice wears exists at all.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:14:47 2010 No.4544045

>>4544000
Being completely deluded would be to disregard her sketchiness(Scorpian charm in episode one, that red text in episode two, her long life status in most episodes, the correlation between her and Kinzo's body, ALL OF EPISODE 4) and honestly believe that she has no idea about Shkanon and is completely innocent.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:15:47 2010 No.4544048

>>4544014
>>Beatrice and Shannon are like polar opposites.
They are supposed to be, see episode 6.
Also Shannon doesn't have to have a motive, since she "isn't" Beatrice.
That's DID, Shannon and Beatrice are 2 different personalities with different likes and dislikes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:15:47 2010 No.4544051 File: 515 KB, 642x3600, georgeculprit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] George mastermind

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:16:47 2010 No.4544059 >>4544000 This is a bit off topic, but only in Umineko do people view being viewed as an evil murderer as a good thing. I actually LIKED Kanon because I thought he was a good dude, but now, well, shit.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:19:47 2010 No.4544085

>>4543971
A few things still don't add up:
Her age.

If this is Shannon, what does she have to gain from Battler remembering his sin or coercing him to become the family head?

Beatrice still had some form of regret, which is what Shannon mocks about during the duel that took place in Kinzo's study.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:19:47 2010 No.4544086 >>4544059 He still is a good dude. He sacrifices himself so whiny GM Battler can get to his imaginary waifu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:19:47 2010 No.4544089 >>4544048 Bullshit, Shannon is a murderer, same with Kanon. Through both of them Beatrice is able to trick and decieve people, and thus, kill them. I don't care what she likes or dislikes, the blood is on her hands.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:20:47 2010 No.4544098 >>4544086 Nah, I'm talking about the real world, where serial murderers are hung, not looked upon with pity as heroes.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:21:47 2010 No.4544100

>>4544085
Shannon comes from an orphanage, she could be older than what we are told, Kinzo could easily have done something.
Also it's mentioned that Shannon was almost like a "big sister figure" 6 years ago for everyone, kinda weird for a girl who is 2 years younger than Battler and Jessica.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:23:47 2010 No.4544115

>>4544086
He doesn't even sacrifice, he did what Battler wanted to avoid, but Beato gave permission, so it's OK
For Battler, Beato's heart is just too important and revealing it to Bern would lead to another Natsuhi trial, but Beato chose it knowingly, so Battler couldn't refuse
Battler was the GM, he knwe how to do it, but didn't want to

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:23:47 2010 No.4544123 >>4544100 What motive could Kinzo have to set her age back? Seriously, he gains nothing from that. Face the facts here, George is a creepy pedophile.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:24:47 2010 No.4544131 >>4544100 sorry, but a 6 years old girl (and the consequent years) being older wouldn't pass unnoticed you would never confuse a 16 yo girl with a 13 one

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:25:47 2010 No.4544136 >>4544051 This would be too awesome to be true. I would love to lick the tears of George haters in /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:27:47 2010 No.4544150 >>4544136 I'd still hate him. Creepy virgin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:28:47 2010 No.4544158 >>4544000 Well, Takano also had no reason to be suspected until Higurashi 8. People only thought of her as the culprit through the processo of elimination.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:29:47 2010 No.4544167 >>4544150 Virgins are creepy and disliable? Go ahead and hater yourself more

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:30:47 2010 No.4544184 >>4544167 >Disliable No, but I do dislike him.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:32:47 2010 No.4544195 >>4544190 Her eyes are bigger than her breasts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:33:47 2010 No.4544209 >>4544167 Girls think virgins are creepy because their girl friends think so, and they care more about what other women think than what they do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:37:47 2010 No.4544238 >>4544209 No shit, Sherlock? Do you think anyone here thinks girls have opinions?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 19:56:47 2010 No.4544343 >>4544209 That's the Japanese way of thinking, broski.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 20:23:47 2010 No.4544514

>>4544158

No that's not really true. There were plenty of reasons to suspect her. She was a nurse at the Irie clinic and the syringe Rika used on Shion had to come from somewhere. She knew the history of Hinamizawa and the murders, and yet she wasn't interested in finding out who the murderer was ( a contradiction). In episode 5 Mion admitted that Ouryou didn't know who the culprit was that demoned away Satoshi, (Who Ouryou forgave) but that she knew it was someone in Hinamizawa. (basically created Higurashi's rule Z the Sonozaki reputation)

So with all that's revealed in episode 5 by then you only had only 4 likely suspects. Rika, Rena, Takano and Irie.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 21:14:47 2010 No.4544873
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>>4544014
>Jessica doesn't have a motive afaik; EP4 felt like she killed George.

I never understood this, people just assume Jessica is the killer, yet they forget that you can see the garden, but no where Geroge is located. Who's to say George was killed in the Garden, in Jessica's field of vision? Or if the person who told her how she was going to die, told her they killed George already.There's tons of explanations other than Jessica is the murderer Anonymous!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 21:33:47 2010 No.4545065 Nanjo is a doctor so he probably gave George a lobotomy with some sort of ice pick. The tips said you should "probably assume" it was a gun that he was killed with. That's doesn't necessarily make it true.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:38:47 2010 No.4545513 The real mystery of Umineko is the Lambadelta's identity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:42:47 2010 No.4545526 >>4545513 she is a witch

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:43:47 2010 No.4545537 How about you guys try to solve something else other than "who is the culprit"

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:45:47 2010 No.4545546 >>4545537 What else is there figure out?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:47:47 2010 No.4545562 >>4545546 um.. Why did the number code only appeared in EP3? (did it show up in EP2 too?)

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:51:47 2010 No.4545597

>>4544873
I was basing that off Gaap moving the bodies. (Not sure what to think of her fight with Ronove or what that represented.)
I'm not really calling her the culprit/mastermind, but I just thought there was some circumstance in which she was forced to fight with George.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:54:47 2010 No.4545618 >>4545562 07151129 It only showed up in EP3 and 4. It might have been originally intended for Battler to remember or decipher. No clue as to who wrote it there..

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:55:07 2010 No.4545625 >>4545562 It's a bank account number with a small golden land in it. [spoiler}George had time to write it[/spoiler] What else do you need to know?

>>	Battler (I don´t haz imouto-complex!) !cES6thjefQ Thu Mar 4 22:55:47 2010 No.4545628 File: 1.39 MB, 1250x1500, Bern13.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does that makes you feel, /jp/? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFH2UpbKbSE

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:58:47 2010 No.4545640 >>4545562 It's a bank account number and when used you find a small golden land. George had time to write it What else do you need to know?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 22:59:47 2010 No.4545648 >>4545618 It showed up in EP4 too? or are you just referring to the letters and not during the gameboard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:00:47 2010 No.4545658 >>4545648 I was referring to the letters. It only shows up once on the gameboard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:02:47 2010 No.4545677 File: 10 KB, 174x231, iii.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4545513 isn´t lambda the droopy-chick from Higurashi in a clever disguise?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:04:47 2010 No.4545695 >>4545677 isn't bernkastel rika?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:05:47 2010 No.4545703 >>4545677 no, she was lambda in a clever disguise.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:09:47 2010 No.4545745

>>4545695

Frederica Bernkastel is the person who wrote all those poems in Higurashi. She's also Rika's alter ego. If anything she's reference to Higurashi, but she's a completely different character in Umineko.

Bernkastel is also a kind of alcohol so people think she represents the message bottles.

Lambda probably represents a publishing company. She is super paper after all.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:10:47 2010 No.4545750

>>4545618
>It might have been originally intended for Battler to remember or decipher

can't be, the letters were sent before they entered Rokkenjima, it only showed up once during the case...

there are no signs that the person want Battler to solve it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:14:47 2010 No.4545792 Were the 07151129 letters the same as Kinzo's letters?

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:16:47 2010 No.4545810
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>>4545750
Isn't there a possibility that the numbers serve another purpose? PINs (although it isn't recommended) are compiled from numbers that may have some significance to the owner.

Battler recognized the first 4 digits as his birth date. Eva and the others weren't able to make any form of connection of it to themselves or their family members.

Nanjo suggested that it was solvable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:22:47 2010 No.4545855 >>4545792 >Beatrice's Letters fixed They used the same image for the letters in episode 4 as they did for Beatrice's letters in episode 1 and 2, but the narration doesn't actually describe them as looking the same.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:24:47 2010 No.4545878 Why Beatrice so perverted and Battler so popular among girls?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:29:47 2010 No.4545910 File: 40 KB, 300x449, OOBEDD~1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4545878 but erika and evatrice are way more perverted ;__;

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:30:47 2010 No.4545915 File: 16 KB, 195x206, 1263602199789.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4545745 Lambda represents the Halloween D:

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:33:47 2010 No.4545949

>>4545810
Actually, there's some interview where Ryukishi himself says that it should be solvable.

Although while we are on the topic (since they asked if 11/29 was someone's birthday), you know the "child from 19 years ago"? As long as the birthday was after October 5, 1967, the child could be 18 years old yet still be from 19 years ago.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:41:47 2010 No.4546005

>>4545810
hmm...if you put it that way, I guess it is meant for Battler to solve

It is kinda implied that Battler was able to solve it, being the Game Master and all

And if it is related with the gold account, I see no purpose in writing it on the gameboard, being how the number is already on the letters

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:48:47 2010 No.4546071 Lambda is the witch of Miyo Takano.

Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:53:47 2010 No.4546096

Big Doubletrice defender here.

Looks like Jessitrice and Doubletrice fags got something other to do than discuss here every day...well, at least i did.

Jessitrice is as HEAVILY foreshadowed as Shannontrice and actually makes a lot of sense.

You guys are forgetting that everything Shannon lacks to be Beatrice belongs to Jessica.

She has all the wealth and Inneritance of the Ushiromiya Family (thing that is said to belong to Beatrice), she has the way of placing the letters everywhere(she's the inside-man), breaking the barricades (luring people out) and most of all, she has Beatrice's motives.

She's the one that is bounded by the Ushiromiya family. She cant leave the island, she is the bird in the cage.

She hates her family, the way she was raised, Kinzo, Beatrice and everything the Ushiromiya family represents.

She was shown to be absurdely close to both Battler and Shannon since the beggining.

She knows things that she shouldnt have know (Kinzo being dead for example, her parents think she is stupid while she figured out everything on her own) and her past is really weird. I mean, Natsuhi couldnt get pregnant, killed a baby and then got magically pregnant....right.

Jessica could very well be the child from 19 years ago.

There's a lot to discuss about that, and its been discussed over and over again....

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 4 23:55:47 2010 No.4546106 When did 07151129 appear during EP3 anyways? Can't remember

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Anonymous Fri Mar 5 00:06:47 2010 No.4546204

Just pondering things on my own, with little outside influence, I pretty much proved (in my own mind) that 'Doubletrice', while it sounds hilarious, is actually the best option for explaining Eps 1, 2 and 4. Episode 3, to the best of my consideration, was primarily Nanjo, though that is iffy. Episode 5 is tough. I'm thinking that Kanon is just older than he claims/appears to be, and he was the culprit, taking over the killing plot since Beatrice backed down.

My basic theory is that Jessica and Shannon are both acting out the role of 'Beatrice'- Jessica had the role thrust on her by Kinzo, and Shannon took up the name for Maria's sake. The encounter between 'suit Beatrice' and 'dress Beatrice' in Episode 4 seems to be hinting at such a conclusion. Also, if you consider all the times Battler has met with 'Beatrice', it is impossible for any one person to have met him in all those cases. At least, any person that could impersonate Beatrice.

Kanon is probably the baby Natsuhi tried to kill, and he got caught up in the plan Jessica and Shannon were scheming up. Nanjo was bought by the promise of hundreds of millions of yen if he helps them fake deaths.

I can expand on this if need be, but if you think things through what I said above should make a pretty clear picture of how I think things are.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 00:12:47 2010 No.4546266

So let's say 07151129 is meant for Battler to solve, then it should have appeared more than once on the gameboard...
But since it hasn't, it would mean the writer
-was unable to write it in EP1,2,4? (killed off)
-had no reason to? EP5 (solving the epitaph did something?)

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 00:23:47 2010 No.4546370

>>4546266
Regarding the PIN... expanding a bit from >>4546204

If Nanjo is the culprit, and lets say Shannon or Genji is the one in charge of the cash boxes Kinzo left behind... When he killed that person, he might have found out about the PIN, or been told by his victim, but he doesn't know what the number means.

So, he writes the PIN up on the door and watches the reactions of the other survivors when they see it later on, probably looking for a clue as to its meaning... perhaps.

This works for any killer that isn't a part of the 'Beatrice' plot really, but for various other reasons, I think it was most likely Nanjo.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 00:25:47 2010 No.4546385

>>4546266

>was unable to write it in EP1,2,4? (killed off)

This doesn't make sense because it was either George or Kyrie who wrote it on the wall. If I remember right I think the numbers were found right after George's corpse was found so since he was close he's likely to have written before he died.

It's more likely that there wasn't a reason to write 07151129 in the other episodes than that somebody was killed off before they could write it.

Genji died in the first twilight of that episode for the first time so maybe that's a reason for the numbers?

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 00:31:47 2010 No.4546420

>>4546266
Something did go wrong in EP3, though, I'm not sure if it's because Eva didn't reveal to the others that she discovered the gold. And it isn't clear if someone discovers the stash in 1 or 4. (2 Beatrice had shown the parents.)

Battler and Erika find the gold in EP5 and nothing happened, except that this time from an unreliable perspective, he receives a letter with the ring in front of a large group of people.

The door to the room where George and Shannon lay was locked, but there is a broken window. It's not clear if George had a master key on his corpse (he may have gotten in through the broken window). So someone on the outside hallway wrote it, it might be Kyrie, but it doesn't make much sense with her train of thought...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 00:35:47 2010 No.4546444 >>4546106 Very end, I believe the remaining known living were Battler, Eva, Jessica, and Nanjo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 00:44:47 2010 No.4546488 >>4546420 Jessica don't want Eva to have the gold

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 01:02:47 2010 No.4546585

>>4546370
Wait...why would the servants be in control of Kinzo's cash? and Kinzo is "alive" so no one should have inherit anything

Besides, Nanjo is kinda already related with the numbers, Beatrice's letter was sent to his household (he shouldn't be completely clueless about it)

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 01:17:47 2010 No.4546660

>>4546385
Could be related with Genji, going along the lines that 07151129 possibly being a bomb code and "Ah I'm going to die, so I should write it down somewhere and hope another person will solve it"

But I'm not sure what you are trying to say on the first two sentence.
Why wouldn't it make sense for Kyrie to write it?

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 01:23:47 2010 No.4546694

>>4546585
The letters were sent with the impression that the recipients were deceased and to addresses that don't exist. (The letters were written under the names of the surviving relatives: Nanjo's grandson, Ange and Kumasawa's son.)

Unless somehow they were to take up a new alias in midst of the disaster.

>>4546660
The weird thing about it being a bomb code is there's no way that Eva can just figure that out from simple guesswork.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 01:28:47 2010 No.4546735

>>4546660

I didn't say it wouldn't make sense for here to write it. I was talking about the episodes it wasn't written down in in that sentence. ( check the post I was responding to >>4546266 ) What I was try to say was that it wouldn't make sense for 07152229 to not be written down in other episodes (by Kyrie or George) because somebody was killed off BEFORE they could write it. It might make sense for Kyrie since she dies in the first twilights, but it doesn't make sense if George wrote it. And in episode 4 Kyrie is alive and the number doesn't come up so her being killed off before she can write it is probably not the answer for why the number only appears in episode 3

I'm assuming there is a reason they wrote it that doesn't come up in other episodes.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 02:05:47 2010 No.4546970

>>4546694
But it's not like Eva defused the bomb, she could have walked away for another reason, like trying to find the real culprit in the woods or something

And we could probably imply that the explosion did happen...
hence, police reported it as "accident", all the possible clues are blown away

but then again...Genji survived to the end in EP2, and he didn't defuse anything

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 02:13:47 2010 No.4547010

>>4546735
Well, again... the best reason I can think of for the PIN to be written there is that the number wound up in the hands of someone who didn't know the meaning of it. They wrote it on the door after killing George, probably hoping to lead the survivors to it and see their reactions.

>>4546585
Everyone who lives or works on the island, except for Gohda, know that Kinzo is dead (even Jessica- she's covered for Kinzo a few times). And given the amount of money in those cases, and how many there were, I can't think of anyone other than Kinzo who could set it up. And Beatrice was already the person managing the gold- who's to say he didn't leave some other hidden assets tucked away?

Also, the letters were sent using a method that guaranteed they wouldn't be delivered until AFTER the conference. So Nanjo wouldn't know, unless he was the sender. From the handwriting, we know Beatrice was the sender, and given the way she sent them, she probably wasn't planning on being able to send them after the conference...

Regardless, I don't think the PIN has any significance beyond the connection to the cashboxes. Though the number itself might have been significant to Kinzo (or whoever set that number) for some reason.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 02:22:47 2010 No.4547073

I was thinking about EP5 & all the twilights after the 2nd (which was only half complete), after Hideyoshi you would assume it would be Eva to die next (what if the culprit was trying to frame her).
So along with Hideyoshi the only other person who could be killed would be Rudolf.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 02:48:47 2010 No.4547233 File: 48 KB, 420x406, 32168c0002347f31f9e95da5b80d729c..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't believe in this Shkanon crap. I'm disgusted nobody has mentioned Kanontrice yet, just you wait until it is revealed as the correct option!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 02:51:34 2010 No.4547246 >>4547073 Hello, this is Anežka´s superego speaking. You are a twat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 02:59:47 2010 No.4547313 >>4547233 FUCK NO PENIS END, PIECE BATTLER DESERVES BLONDE AND BOUNCY, JUST LIKE HE LIKES.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 03:01:47 2010 No.4547332 >>4547313 What the fuck are you talking about? Ending with a sword fight would be the best end ever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 03:05:47 2010 No.4547358 File: 147 KB, 395x480, but_nakua3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4547332 Why do you want to make Battler a homosexual?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 03:09:42 2010 No.4547383 File: 80 KB, 500x500, 38b7c6a1b90213053e4a203816d53ec1edc0cb27.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4547358 >implying he already isn't a fabulous, flaming homo

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 03:10:47 2010 No.4547390

>>4546970
But Eva managed to both escape, and find Kuwadorian. There are two access points for the hidden mansion:

The well (which isn't likely because of Battler's inspection. There could be a device, but it seemed like the grid was welded onto the opening of the well.)
A place with stairs that needs to be unlocked like Nanjo described during their 'prison break'.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 03:16:47 2010 No.4547416
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Wasn't there a theory that Beatrice isn't just one woman from the island, but rather the feelings of everybody on the island towards Battler.(i.e. even the men want to fuck him)

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:00:47 2010 No.4548028

I was thinking about magic circles and that numbers for a while.
There were 3 kinds of circles in 1-2 games and only 1 and these numbers in 3rd. So I thought that maybe some code was encrypted in these circles. Remember, Maria tells about names of different angels/demons inscribed in circles, maybe it has something to do with the code.
I think that these circles are probably drawn by Genji, but someone else knows the secret as well. In 1-2 games he was alive long enough so all 3 circles appeared. In 3rd game he was killed in 1st twilight maybe after drawing the circles, and in 5th he is also probably killed or somehow otherwise unable to draw the right circle so someone else draws that "crappy magic circle".
In 3rd game, because Genji is killed, but the rest of the riddle (or rest of the code itself) must be presented, someone writes those digits.
The primary suspects probably are Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Kyrie and George.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:01:47 2010 No.4548036 File: 659 KB, 680x2967, Aristocrats.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I'd like to hear some good general Umineko theories. Really?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:10:47 2010 No.4548053 If Jessica is the culprit, what exactly happened at the end of EP 3 then? I'd rather not assume accomplices are involved. Why the fuck would anybody on the island work with Jessica anyways?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:12:47 2010 No.4548056 >>4548053 the same reason they would work with anybody else

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:13:47 2010 No.4548059 >>4548056 So...none?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:15:47 2010 No.4548063 Obviously Battler is the culprit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:17:47 2010 No.4548068 >>4548063 Battler cannot be the culprit in EP3 or EP4, said in red.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:19:47 2010 No.4548072 >>4548053 What do you mean what happened? BlindJessica stumbled in the room with one of the guns, and shot Eva, thinking she was the killer. She missed and hit Batora.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:19:47 2010 No.4548075

>>4548059
Well, Genji, Nanjo and Kumasawa all ahve motives, and if we assume that either Kyrie or Hideyoshi is part of the culprit team, it's easier, Nanjo wanted to kill Jessica, one of them killed Nanjo and was later killed by his own wound
as for motives, Hideyoshi has been speculated many things, the same with Kyrie

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:23:47 2010 No.4548086 >>4548053 What part do you mean by end of EP3?

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:28:47 2010 No.4548100

>>4548086
Nanjo is suddenly killed. Its constantly stated in red that Jessica didn't kill Nanjo, and there's no way some "herp derp DID" concept would work, she was blinded.

Also, explain the reasoning behind the "culprit team". Once again, why would this group feel obligated to side with Jessica, even to the point of killing people they love? And why would Jessica accept this sort of team up, as it could blow her cover?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:29:47 2010 No.4548105 >>4548100 Kyrie killed him, because she thought he was the culprit or knew he was an accomplice.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:35:47 2010 No.4548133

>>4548105
Isn't that a bit overboard to deal with an accomplice, for one? And from what we've seen, Kyrie had no means to suspect Nanjo, but Eva and/or Hideyoshi because of the cigarette butt.

It would sound more reasonable if he was confronted and locked away until the police came.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:39:47 2010 No.4548154

>>4548100
see >>4548105
for the Jessica culprit idea. The TIPS specifically state Kyrie's wound was something that could allow you to live through it for a little while.

The idea would of course be that Kyrie is the one who throws the proverbial wrench in the culprits plans, playing detective herself. She's shot, and possibly gets up to try and save Battler. She meets Nanjo along the way by chance, who she knows is a part of the murders, and kills him, knowing that her own death is near, and she won't be able to help Battler beyond this much. Jessica of course had no involvement, because all her plans were ruined by Kyrie.

As for a culprit team, obviously Nanjo is involved in whoever is the culprit, that much we can be certain of. And no matter how you look at it, to be reasonable, whether it is Shkanon culprit or Jessica, they should be linked to each other simply from how they are best friends. Kumasawa is reasonable accomplice material too, along with Genji.

With this, you have Jessica as the wire puller, with all the servants sans Gohda aiding her.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:42:42 2010 No.4548172 >>4548154 >Implying everyone 100% agrees that Nanjo is an accomplice and loves dem killings No.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:44:42 2010 No.4548180 >>4548172 >implying Nanjo kills anyone Swing and a miss, try again some other time, when you discover what qualifies as an accomplice.

Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:45:47 2010 No.4548194

>>4548172

There's no way Nanjo isn't an accomplice. He always dies in the same twilight, for one. Except in EP3.

EP3 IS the odd episode. I'm still curious why Nanjo survives so late in it. I'm thinking the mastermind's plans got fucked up in that episode.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:55:47 2010 No.4548224 >>4548194

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 06:58:47 2010 No.4548245 >>4548194 No. He die on the same twilight on ep1 and ep2. The 7th. in ep 3 he die at the 9th. And in ep 4 he die at the 6th. Also, there is pretty much a lot of people who live or die with a pattern. Look at Jessica, for example.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 5 10:56:47 2010 No.4549140 >>4548194 In some cases he might be lying about the autopsy results for his own survival, if he isn't threatened by an accomplice.

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