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44726453 No.44726453 [Reply] [Original]

Marisa will definitely die in the next few days
dogshit manga keep getting delayed

>> No.44726844

>>44726453
What about Akyuu? She's supposed to die next year

>> No.44726903

two more weeks

>> No.44727070
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44727070

Ready for Kyouko to destroy Satori and fool Reimu and the temple next chapter?

>> No.44728792

>>44727070
I hate both of these mangas so fucking much

>> No.44728970

>>44728792
ZUN is destroying his own universe before our very eyes. This is what marriage does to a man

>> No.44729005

>>44728970
This is why /jp/ is better than ZUN; None of us will ever attract a w*man to corrupt our pure souls.

>> No.44729156

>>44726453
did it truly get delayed again?
>>44728970
in which fucking way is the universe getting destroyed?
You're either retarded, a contrarian or just a troll. Nothing that's happened in both of them contradict anything ever said before besides the Nazrin—undergound stuff

>> No.44729615

>>44729156
In the Marisa route of UFO, Shou said that she also was also sealed underground before the airship was released by the geyser.
I don't think there was anything that said she and Nazrin never went underground, only they avoided the sealing at the same time as the others.

>> No.44730228

>>44729615
that one may not be a retcon, but nazrin's profile absolutely does say that she doesn't live at the temple, which CDS is contradicting
>>44729156
comic walker still says TBA for the next chapter, which...isn't promising. There's no mention of a delay on akimaki yuu's twitter account, but I've seen this song and dance enough times to know that that means nothing at all
this has gotta be the most cursed manga ZUN's ever done, even the first fairy manga didn't go through this much of a beating

>> No.44730378

>>44726453
If Flandre actually killed Marisa that was be extremely based because fuck that overrated normie attracting bitch

>> No.44730407

>>44730378
Other way around would be more fitting since Flandre is peak secondary bait.

>> No.44730624

>>44730378
and flan isn't overrated?

>> No.44730632

>>44730378
>normie

>> No.44730836
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>>44730228
>nazrin's profile absolutely does say that she doesn't live at the temple
It was actually SoPM so it can at least be attributed as unreliable narration.

>> No.44730849

>>44730836
>unless Shou calls for her
can't we attribute this to
1) either Shou has called for Naz specifically during the events of CDS. And Naz in her free time hangs out in Muenzuka
2) the situation has changed since SoPM

>> No.44730896
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>>44730836
I guess you could attribute her cleaning the temple and generally acting like a resident to shou telling her to, since CDS flipped the script between the two from the fanon version where nazrin is the exasperated servant and shou the forgetful, slightly silly master

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>>44727070
What if Kyouko isn't possessed and is bad all along?

>> No.44739327

Any news on when the next chapter is?

>> No.44739684

>>44734376
Then the headcannon of the humans who visit her and Mystia's concerts all being suicidal is confirmed.
I-I kneel grim-sama!

>> No.44744574

>>44739327
The whole thing cancelled, Mizuchi never exist, it's a Reimu's nightmare, most of Gensokyo have definitely never jobbed to some random vengeful spirit

>> No.44744929

>>44728970
>destroying a dystopian society where the powerful (literally) farm and eat the weak
Everyone should get married then

>> No.44745354
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>>44744574
You wish

>> No.44746787
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I've never seen a manga so cursed, it's literally delaying SCoOW entirely now

>> No.44746812

>>44746787
SCoOW is still being published?
I thought they ran out of materials and ZUN can't be assed to be write articles anymore.

>> No.44746846

>>44746812
SCoOW basically just refers to the collection of manga chapters now, so that's The Magician Who Loved A Fake, The Tiles I Cannot Cut, I think CDS but that's in a weird place since it's free and releases on comic walker too, and Starving Marisa's Blessed Meal used to be on there until it went on permanent hiatus
the actual book with all the interviews and fun stuff like the cross reviews and CoLA chapters seems to be dead entirely (which only strengthens my dread that ZUN's stopped caring about anything that isn't the games and the manga chapters, but that's beside the point)

>> No.44754880

>>44746846
I understand not having more ideas for CoLA since it's not meant to be monthly and he has two running manga, but I think writing for cross-reviews shouldn't be that hard, and he only has few more mainline games to write.
I do think ZUN should stop attending those gacha streams to spend more time writing or thinking for canon stuff, and I hope LE will end sooner so perhaps he can finally work on new Hifuu or new Akyuu book.

>> No.44754980

>>44730896
Sometimes I strongly suspect ZUN is just a contrarian.

>> No.44755003

>>44754980
Shou being depicted as timid and stupid in fanon just because she lost the pagoda once is retarded in the first place.

>> No.44757124
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44757124

It's time

>> No.44757170

comic walker's finally updated from TBA to the 27th
we are finally at the end of the fucking myouren arc

>> No.44757232
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You've got it all wrong!
Byak is the villain all along!

>> No.44757234

>>44730836
in th19, naz is said to be residing in the temple so either
- she moved residence in between sopm and th19
- akyuu gave inaccurate info in sopm for whatever reason
- zun forgor

>> No.44758043

If you've shown me this back in 2010s I would've treated it as just an edgy fanwork.

>> No.44758095
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>> No.44759149

>>44758095
Mima died for this.

>> No.44759242

>>44726453
If she's serious why doesn't she just use her ability and finish this in an instant?

>> No.44762823

>>44759242
You know Flandre can't just destroy anything with her thought and will alone, right?
She has to make gesture and aim, and Marisa is fast.

>> No.44762921
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>>44726453
Marisa already dying though

>> No.44762923

>>44757234
She does? As far as I remember, the first thing Nazrin says is how her master is tyrant for making her clean the cemetery.
Which goes in line that she does study and stay at the Temple when Shou orders her to.

>> No.44763218

>>44759149
She must be so proud

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LMAO the ride never ends bois

>> No.44764207

>>44764105
FAKE...right...

>> No.44764258

>>44762921
I want to feed Marisa a lot of food and watch her eat it.

>> No.44764268
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Will they beat Flandre or will they get the Marisa treatment.

>> No.44764276

>>44764268
Everyone jobs in the Mizuchi shilling manga.

>> No.44764311
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>>44764105
Satori is getting possessed now?

>>44764268
Finally some Shou action! Go! Go!

>> No.44766352
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MARISA DID NOTHING WITH THE MASTER SPARK
SATORI JOBBED LIKE WE ALL KNEW SHE WOULD
FLAN CONTINUES TO BE SMUG
not the worst chapter, all things considered, some pretty nice shots, characters talking to each other (I was half expecting flan to just never interact with reimu's group) and some more cool shou panels

>> No.44766394

>>44766352
So in other words, nothing actually happened.

>> No.44766399

>>44766394
yeah, but in this manga either nothing happens, ZUN retcons something that did happen, or he kills off some fanon, so nothing happening is sort of what you're hoping for

>> No.44766404

>>44766399
>he kills off some fanon
This is good though

>> No.44766407

>>44766399
>he kills off some fanon
I rather see him do this

>> No.44767057

>>44766404
>>44766407
So you'd rather have Touhou be boring and shit?

>> No.44767162
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SATORI THE JOBBER

>> No.44767454

>>44767057
Shou being stupid and pathetic is shit. I'm glad ZUN keep her canon image intact.

>> No.44767490

>>44767454
A broken clock is right twice a day.

>> No.44767551

>>44767490
I prefer a good clock that miss the alarm at rare occasions.
It fits Shou more considering her role and status and that's what she's intended to be.

>> No.44767600

>>44767551
I think you misunderstood, that phrase referred to ZUN, not Shou.

>> No.44768395

>>44730378
Lmfaooo Flandre is literally THE overrated Touhou character, her popullarity can only be explaiend by her theme.

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>> No.44769836

>>44726453
So any explanation to why the first tree didn't break Marisa's spine and/or neck

>> No.44772261
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She's just standing there... menacingly!

>> No.44772289

Its hilarious how incompetent they are. It was pretty obvious that flandre will be a bad plan but they way it backfired is even better.

>> No.44772296

>>44726453
>>44764105

Satori this better be part of your plan otherwise damn you've been nothing but a dork in this whole story

>> No.44772317
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https://mangadex.org/chapter/48db161d-29f9-4ab4-a8f5-4b2bff4264b6
translation's up
even as retarded as a lot of the plot is, I do feel like somewhere deep inside, there's a much more childish version of me getting all excited at seeing three main characters team up to fight flan

>> No.44772339

>>44746846
I miss the books written in the style of the Gensokyo chronicle that contain new information about characters. So much new content can be created by fans with just a little bit of information, like finding out Mystia runs a food stand. So many characters newer characters could use some expansion, like Sekibanki.
I kinda lost hope we would get a new one around 2018, I hope that one day he releases a massive Gensokyo chronicle book full of not just the characters we see but dozens of completely new other residents of Gensokyo he has no intention of putting into games.

>> No.44772359

>>44772317
If Flandre puts up a fight against all three of these people, she is canonically one of the strongest characters in Gensokyo.
I know discussing powerlevels in Touhou is often a joke, but this manga is showing us a rare glimpse of 2hus fighting without the card rules, and where the battles are not getting off-screened.

>> No.44772363

>>44772339
that's my hope too
around 17 was the perfect time for one, because it would have covered characters from 14 through to 17, the same amount that SoPM covered. Personally, I hope he does one in the PMiSS style instead of the SoPM style though, because I really liked the other details like the eyewitness reports (which themselves had additional details like the existence of the prismriver fanclub, and the more specific lyrica fanclub) and the location articles

>> No.44772371
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>>44772289
>Its hilarious how incompetent they are. It was pretty obvious that flandre will be a bad plan but they way it backfired is even better.
After watching the brain trust that is supposed to Gensokyo's leadership at work has me convinced that picrel is the only reason Gensokyo hasn't torn itself apart.

>> No.44772374

>>44772359
this is a fight that's absolutely gonna get cut off
ZUN's been shilling flan too heavily to let her lose, but also can't really justify all three of her opponents losing either, so I expect that mizuchi as satori and marisa will manage to take down the barricade and the mist which will interrupt the fight, or yukari will know that mizuchi's possessing satori and interrupt the fight anyway
I get that the whole point is to show that everyone was working on their own and having multiple plans going on at once just made them all conflict with each other, so I really hope that the next arc (can't wait for tojiko to just be conspicuously absent and never once mentioned) actually features some real teamwork

>> No.44772380

>>44772371
That's literally the plot of the latest game

>> No.44772457
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For all the possessing people and making scary faces... has she actually done anything beyond unscheduled naptime? Like they it feels like they keep trying to establish stakes but I'm not feeling it. All she is doing is taking a foodie tour of Gensokyo via body surfing with some trash talk on the side.
All the actual danger in this manga seems to be due to failed plans to stop the great inconveniencer.

>> No.44772486

>>44772457
when I looked at the 2ch thread for this chapter, there was a lot of talk about this as well
the only reason I can even think of is so she hasn't done anything too bad to any of the other characters and therefore she can become a normal character at the end of the story instead of having to be killed for killing other characters
she just feels a bit like a plot device because here we are, like 30 chapters in, and the most we know about her is that she has some sort of grudge against the shrine and is going in order of incidents, and that she has a hobby of collecting curse items (and we didn't even learn that from the story, it was in the character sheet)
either we need more chapters from her perspective, or we need satori to sit everyone down and explain what the hell her goals are (which can't happen now because since satori's been possessed, she'll be in a coma for an unspecified amount of time)

>> No.44772583
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>>44772486
When I first heard this manga was coming out I was really excited. I thought we getting a Wild and Horned Hermit style story where Satori starts a detective agency on the surface inspired by all the novels she reads to fund her massive collection of pets. A format where she solves a mystery every two or three chapters.
She and her two assistants taking cases from all different characters to find out who did this or that and she would call in members of the underground crew like Parsee, Yuugi, Yamame or Kisume to act as experts. Maybe have the whole thing as a catalyst to have the underground and above ground characters start to meet and find out they aren't so different.
Instead we are almost 30 chapters in and I still don't get the point of this story. Outside of a few moments of seeing some of my favorite characters interacting it has just been a roundabout with no exit.

Funny enough the latest two-part fairy books have been Detective Koishi and Kokoro solving a mystery for the three fairies... they need to have that guy make more official content. I am 100% sure he had a hand in writing that manga.

>> No.44772587

>>44772457
she made alice sleep so hard she disappeared from the story

>> No.44772621

>>44772457
It's kind of funny how the manga started as a murder mystery, but the only one who tried to murder anyone at the end of the day was Flan.
Wasn't there also something about Youkai mountain at risk of blowing its top and wiping out Gensokyo? Did that have anything to do with Mizuchi at all?

>> No.44772638

>>44772621
>Wasn't there also something about Youkai mountain at risk of blowing its top and wiping out Gensokyo?
Can they even manage that? Can't the whole Tengu race be brought to heel by one or two Oni? I always viewed them as king of the small fry.

>> No.44772661

>>44772317
so I guess at this point ZUN has completely retconned the idea of Mizuchi using drinks as a medium to possess different characters? I mean, it was more or less being ignored from as far bad as Kaguya and Mokou, but it was usually presented in such a way that you could suspecd your disbelief

>> No.44772684

>>44772359
>If Flandre puts up a fight against all three of these people, she is canonically one of the strongest characters in Gensokyo.
this could actually snowball into a shitfest, If the exterminators are BARELY competent to put down a Mesugaki Brat who is an overconfident one-trick-pony fool (seriously? charging head on into the Genso-Sheriff and a Buddhist Magician who supposedly can perform as well as a vampire with the Makai Scroll) the proves that the Spellcard system is a farce and you it just need a competent strategist and a muscle to nullify.
The only way that those three can be redeemed is by actually Curbstomping flandre (and well deserved)

>> No.44772700
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>>44772621
Was this supposed to be a red herring? At first I thought maybe Mizuchi was trying to accelerate this disaster, and that was the reason why Satori was trying hard to capture her again.
But I doubt it's the case now.

>> No.44772712
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>>44772700
there's a lot of random lines in the early chapters that feel like they were meant for something more. I'm still mad that no one seemed to have done anything with this one.

>> No.44772741

>>44772712
I get the feeling ZUN just leaves the artist with a general outline and they are responsible for a good chunk of the details and this is the result of changing the artist.

>> No.44772760

>>44772741
maybe, but by the end of the first artist's run, mizuchi was already going to eientei, so this really was just a red herring in the end
which makes me wonder why it was included at all

>> No.44772767

>>44772712
It's just like the animal realm reference in PCB, some 20 years from now we'll return to the Netherworld and go to a village there.

>> No.44772790

>>44772741
see, I wonder that too, because if there's one character who's always been written consistently by every manga artist, it's patchouli
you can go through all of her official appearances, from the mainline games to the fighting games to SSiB, the fairy manga and CDS, and she's still written the exact same
that alone makes me wonder just what sort of detail ZUN actually gives the artists

>> No.44772821

>>44772712
There are moments in later chapters that are just as strange. Remember when Mizuchi took over Nitori and the panels zooms in ominously to the skull and crossbones symbol?
What was up with that?

>> No.44772875
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>>44772821
remember when satori and reimu brought mokou's unconscious body all the way back to the shrine and then there was an ominous shot of mizuchi's cuff implying that she didn't wake up until she was symbolically uncuffed?
(and on that note why did reimu and satori bring her all the way there only for her to disappear next chapter and apparently nothing that happened to her was even brought up again? why didn't she join the investigation? why didn't reimu say that hatate's thoughtography picture of mizuchi was correct, since she should have had mokou's eyewitness report to go off of? why didn't they at least have a random one-off line explaining what happened to her? why are you like this, ZUN?)

>> No.44772895

>>44772875
We still have Sanae being MiA when humans are not knocked put by possession.
There are a lot of odd choices being made for this manga. It's really messy.

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>>44772895
that's a good question, but I've got a better one
why are all the rooms so fucking massive

>> No.44772949
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we STILL don't know what this conversation was about

>> No.44773025
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Raymoo TANKED that. Just how tough is she?

>> No.44773046

>>44772875
Shit like this reminds me of one of the worst aspects of series like KKHTA, where stuff is mentioned and treated as something important or significant, and then is just ignored and forgotten about.

Perhaps ZUN's drinking is causing brain damage?

>> No.44773332

>byakuren and shou know that mizuchi currently possessed kyouko
>instead of going after her they decide to fight with flandre

??????????

>> No.44773393

Fun CDS fact: kogasa has had exactly one line in this arc and it was the word 'safe'

>> No.44773830

>>44773332
I don't think she will let them go

>> No.44773915
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>>44772289
I was gonna say this too, but Yukari is involved and by the way Marisa said it there seems to be more about the fog than just keeping Flandre from sunlight. I just hope in the next chapter it'll be explained that Yukari had took Flandre rampaging into consideration.
Other than Satori jobbing again I think this could be a decent near-climax chapter, depending if the blunder is part of the plan. At least I get to see more Shou taking action and joined in 3-on-1 duel.

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Please just let her leave!
This current situation is not umbrella-friendly!

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>>44773393
She did also say "I'm sorry", "!?" and "EEEEEEK!" Please don't slander the umbrella.

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>>44775855
I'm not locked in here with you!

>> No.44775966

>>44773830
Cant they just escape while someone else like reimu fights her

>> No.44776122

>>44775966
They should've just brought Mokou along to fight Flandre. She's like the ideal matchup here.
Also, why isn't Eirin here to spray Kyouko with her newly invented Evil-Spirit-B-Gone? This story would've been over already if it wasn't for Mizuchi's ridiculous plot armor that makes everyone act like a retard.

>> No.44776131

>>44773025
I doubt Yuugi was actually doing more than a gentle kick.

>> No.44776186

>>44767162
Sissytori Komeiji-sama

>> No.44776218
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Where the hell are Murasa and Nue?
What do you think they are doing right now while shit is going down in the temple?

>> No.44776247

>>44776218
Would anything change if we replaced Nazurin with Murasa?

>> No.44776262

>>44776218
Molesting village youths in accordance with Buddhist doctrine, obviously.
This also conveniently keeps them from affecting the plot. Don't want to accidentally resolve anything in this manga, after all.

>> No.44776329

>>44776247
Since she's also a vengeful spirit she can probably sense Mizuchi or check everyone by possessing them one by one or some other method. Of course this would mean Mizuchi would get caught before Reimu arrives.
Then again there's a way for Mizuchi to get around the issue that ZUN just couldn't thought of. It's not like there being another ghost is a problem for her in Hakugyokurou.

>> No.44777921

At least the chapter had Byakuren ready to beat the shit out of Flandre.

>> No.44778049

>>44777921
This only proves how rotten that fake nun is!
Nuns shouldn't be assaulting pure & innocent children like our Flan!

>> No.44778097

>>44778049
I really hope their fight somewhat devolves into the two punching each other.

>> No.44778107

>>44772371
It's funny how people love to claim Gensokyo has peak power levels when this manga shows that even a halfway competent and genuinly malicious villain could probably totally raze it in a week.

>> No.44778119

>>44772684
I mean, Flandre is supposed to be top 5 strongest in Gensokyo.

>> No.44778178

>>44778097
realistically, we have a stage 4 boss (also technically an extra boss but that was seihou so does it still count???). a stage 5 boss, and a stage 6 boss against an extra boss, so byak should be putting up the best fight here
narratively, they're probably not going to fight at all, but I'd be much happier if they all collectively beat the shit out of flan for going overboard and make her behave herself though

>> No.44778229

>>44778107
>people love to claim Gensokyo has peak power levels
sure man, there's totally people saying this all the time lmao
not surprised to hear that powerlevelfags imagine that everyone else is forcing some view of canon that opposes theirs, it explains why they start all these bizarre arguments

>> No.44778512

>>44778107
>It's funny how people love to claim Gensokyo has peak power levels
In 2010 maybe

>> No.44778610

>>44778107
powerlevelfagging in general is retarded unnecessary bullshit based on fallacious reasoning without a shred of logic or awareness propagated and enjoyed only by shit colored browns or others of similar dimness

>> No.44779117

>>44778107
On the other hand it proves that Flandre is exactly as OP as fanon makes her and that without sunlight to counter her she can turn Gensokyo into her playground

>> No.44779136

>>44776218
What is Murasa supposed to do? Distract Flan with a danmaku fight? She's dead lol

>> No.44779159

>>44772638
Oni are too predictable and Tengu are too fast. They'd get bean'd in no time if they started anything, which is why they're so scarce.

>> No.44779288

>>44779159
Beans only work on Setsubun. Oni probably just don't wrangle birds all the time.

>> No.44779338

>>44779136
yeah, what could the phantom that drowns people possibly do against an opponent weak to water

>> No.44779383

>>44779338
she didn't exactly accomplish much against flan in 17.5

>> No.44780020

>>44776131
Doesnt look very gentle. And Yuugi doesnt seem the type to hold back, especially against the legendary shrine maiden. I cant believe just how lucky Reimu was there. To have Yuugi-san's feet touch you ...

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>>44726453
>>44726844
>>44726903
>>44726844
>>44727070

What manga is this It looks cool

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>>44780031

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>>44778512
>>44778610
Looks to be more of a white thing. All the videos my power shitter friend use to send me had white guys talking about it. He himself was white too. I prefer to take the middle ground. The girls are very strong but also saying that they're omniversal omega multiversal infinite power or whatever system these people use is autistic.

>> No.44780068
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>>44780031
Three Fairies of Light.

>> No.44780133

>>44780068
Did Star do something with her hair? It looks different, somehow.

>> No.44780199

>>44780031
Boring "Detective" Sa-shitty

>> No.44780210

>>44773025
this panel made me so horny

>> No.44780971

>>44764105
That is just Nue.

>> No.44781020

>>44780020
>And Yuugi doesnt seem the type to hold back, especially against the legendary shrine maiden.
If that's the case Reimu's intestines should be all over the place.

>> No.44781723

>>44776122
>Mizuchi's ridiculous plot armor that makes everyone act like a retard
They were always retards, what do you expect from a population who "abandoned common sense"

>> No.44781777

>>44778119
>Flandre is supposed to be top 5 strongest in Gensokyo
That doesn't mean she is not Cirno level fool, Her skill have a logical weaknesess that doesn't have anything to do with vampires there is a reason why she is a One trick pony (like sakuya also)

>> No.44782544

>>44780020
>>44781020
I just want to see Raymoo lose her shit and unleash Fantasy Heaven on someone already. Maybe have a second go at Erin only to pull a Fortune Teller on her (it's okay, she can heal.)

>> No.44782647

>>44782544
if Kasen couldn't make her do it by literally sending her to hell and trying to eat her, I don't think we'll ever see Fantasy Nature again
it's basically an 'I win' button, anyway, so it can't come out unless things can't get any worse
ZUN's a DBfag, so maybe he should take a page out of their book and treat it like Gogeta, something that shows up extremely rarely, but when it does, it's to absolutely sweep everything

>> No.44782760

>>44782544
>>44782647
What exactly is Fantasy Nature/Heaven anyway?
All I've heard about it is it let Reimu to be untouchable but I never heard anything about its firepower. Is there any canon info on how much it can obliterate?

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>>44782760
there's not exactly much to go on
it's sort of a holdover from the era where ZUN really pushed Reimu's mysteriousness when it came to abilities, so the only actual sources for it are IN's spell comments and Grimoire of Marisa
also, apparently it's called Innate Dream now? Really wish we could just stick to one translation.

>> No.44782854

>>44782824
It's also worth noting that IN was originally meant to be the end of the series. So this would've been one of the last things we'd have seen and serve as a cap stone to Reimu's abilities, I wonder if we ever do see it again if it will be when Zun decides to retire from making games.

>> No.44783048

>>44782824
>no one could beat her using any method
Yeah, thanks to her intangibility, but it doesn't say that she surely could defeat anybody.
If anything if an opponent could survive her onslaught and she ran out of danmaku/energy (assuming it's not limitless), then either she has to get out and surrender or keep hiding for a stalemate (if she doesn't want to lose).

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>>44783048
the explanation Marisa gives in Grimoire of Marisa says that she had to make it a spellcard instead of just being Reimu's innate ability, because if she didn't there would be no way to win.
I presume here that what she means by making it a spell card is giving it a time limit and a declaration

>> No.44783304

I wonder if being possessed was part of the plan for Satori or if she really was just that careless trying to deal with Mizuchi before Flan could get around to blasting her. I'm guessing Yukari is manipulating the border around the temple to keep Mizuchi trapped within along with the fog for Flan.

>> No.44783984

Sex with every 2hu possessed by Mizuchi.

>> No.44790178

>>44782647
>ZUN's a DBfag
? He's a JoJo fag.

>> No.44790191

>>44778512
It was very 2010. I feel it largely died out as the setting became more developed and also people actually watched/read JoJo and realized ZUN stole all of it's ideas from there.

Granted, that was peak Touhou fandom.

>>44779117
It's actually fun how ZUN has fully embraced the Flander fandom by actually making her psychotic and OP.

>>44773025
She can survive having her internal organs pierced.

>> No.44790204

>>44780066
It was a very white thing. Mostly because the JP fandom never gave a fuck.

Also blacks don't give a fuck about Touhou in general.

>> No.44790896

>>44790178
he's referenced the jar that king piccolo was sealed in in CoLA, the spirit bomb in HM, and just in 19 he had Sanae compare Ran's shikigami summoning techniques to dragon ball's capsules

>> No.44790940

>>44783304
>I wonder if being possessed was part of the plan for Satori
This is what I ask myself. It would be simply too stupid to have Satori run into Mizuchi and get possessed without a backup plan.

>> No.44790963

>>44783304
>>44790940
there's no way it's not the plan
she didn't even do anything to mizuchi, just asked her if she was planning to run knowing that she couldn't because of the mist
I have to assume that her plan was to get possessed and hope that because she's a mind-reader, she'd be able to read mizuchi's mind in the time before she passed out and thus find out what her goals were
because, if she just jobbed for no reason (again), I really have no clue how ZUN could ever recover her character

>> No.44791721

>>44790204
Yeah. Everything you said is true. It would be very interesting to see if Touhou ever infects blacks and south americans the same way DBZ did. Tfw gang war because Mokoufags and Kaguyafags had a ''misunderstanding''.

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>>44791721
I'd rather not see it happen, but seeing darkies kill each other over progressively dumber shit is tempting.

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>>44790204
>Also blacks don't give a fuck about Touhou in general

>> No.44792794

>>44791736
''Yous a baka nigga. Fuckin raggedy ass nigga comin in with some old ass PC 98 type shit. No one cares about Mima, nigga!''

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>>44791721
Touhou is popular among spics, as well as russkis

>> No.44793629

>>44793331
Im northern mexican, I don’t know anyone who knows about Touhou here

>> No.44793653

>>44783105
The wording on this implies that it's only unwinnable through the nature of how the spellcard system is played, as she has an UI-esque ability. Not only could you attempt outlasting it like the anon said (if doing this even tires her out). You could additionally affect the larger scale area around her such as with a large enough blast, or even hit her with an attack she would or could not perceive such as a mental one. Reimu has essentially setup a system of rules that best lends to her own abilities.
Though, to be honest, sorry for powerlevelfagging, diving into character abilities and how they interact on a larger scale is an 'tism of mine.

>> No.44793691

>>44793653
sure, but ZUN's
>if it wasn't just for play (with time limit), no one could beat her using any method
implies that mental attacks might not cut it either

>> No.44793690

>>44793653
I don't think you could hit her with an attack she couldn't perceive, as the faries try this exact trick in one of their mangas.
Hiding a river from view to try to get Reimu to step into it on her daily walk, instead the fish fly out of the river to form a bridge for her, which she is completely unaware of. So attacking her from an entirely unknown angle seems to cause events to unfold in a way favorable towards her.

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>>44793690
CoLA brings this up too
Reimu and Marisa have a danmaku duel which Reimu wins, and she says that Marisa wasn't aiming right during the duel
but from Rinnosuke's perspective, Marisa's bullets seem to just curve away from Reimu before they can land while she just moves as if

>> No.44794171

>>44793690
>>44793711
I guess the bigger factor is what determines a negative effect done to her, as Reimu has had bad things happen to her in the past. That or if the negative action done to her was done on either a massive instantaneous or minor long term scale in which it couldn't be subverted. Perhaps you would have to either utilize some form of natural calamity or actions that are not implicitly negative (example being ingesting harmful products which have long term detriments).

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>>44793711
Can we just assume that Reimu has godly natural instict that elevate her dodging and reaction ability to superhuman level, that it only "appear" as if straight bullets/lasers don't hit her by untrained eye?
There's no way I buy that bullets and attacks just staying away from her like some kind of omnipotent divine providence. That means she's practically untouchable, even without her reality-hopping ability. How did Marisa win then?

>> No.44795940

>>44790940
>>44790963
I question it because we still have no idea what powers Mizuchi has being the supposed Jailbreak King. I'm not sure she would be trapped so easily even with the border being changed to trap her in the temple. Hatate's thoughtography was blocked either by her or Yukari creating a border around the temple. If it was Mizuchi who blocked Hatate she still has a lot more tricks up her sleeve. I thought Mizuchi would head straight towards the Mausoleum next being the next target of events and it being directly under the temple, it seemed wisest to take out both without having to return to the temple to try enter.

>> No.44798120

>>44791721
>Blacks
No.

>South Americans
Mweh, I could see it.

>>44790896
Fair. He still seems to lean more towards JoJo most of the time. That and SMT.

>>44791736
I mean, they got some time to go before they can rival whites killing each other over stupid shit. They better get started if they ever want to catch up.

>>44791916
Mweh, exceptions exist.

>> No.44798148

>>44795940
the divine mausoleum was moved after TD, wasn't it? It's in senkai now but I don't think Miko would have wanted to be right next to the temple anyway

>> No.44799470

>>44772289
>>44773915
Flandre isn't rampaging, she is testing them. She left Marisa alone the moment she used her Master Spark. Confirming she was not the target.

>> No.44801128

>>44798148
Correct. Never realised that for whatever reason I always thought the main entrance was through the graveyard then below to the door. I remembered Miko coming through the floor in Reimu's ending at the shrine and thought that was just one of her abilities like Seiga's holes completely blanked on the whole moved to Senkai thing.

>> No.44806052

>>44726453
two more weeks

>> No.44806716

>>44794371
>Can we just assume that Reimu has godly natural instict that elevate her dodging and reaction ability to superhuman level, that it only "appear" as if straight bullets/lasers don't hit her by untrained eye?
It's probably just a reference to her being the playable character in a bullet hell video game.

>> No.44806915

>>44799470
Yeah that's pretty obvious, but on the other hand we lack reading comprehension.

>> No.44807090

>>44773915
It's great how Flandre has 100% become her fanon self.

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>>44773915
>>44807090
Blame Satori
If this arc didn't do shit against Mizuchi, that mind reading monkey is officially the most incompetent youkai at their job in Gensokyo, and yes that's including Rumia

>> No.44807418

>>44807370
Flan is getting excited at the prospect of fighting everyone at the temple
first she's a hitman now she's goku

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>>44807370
Someone please escort them to safety from the rampaging vampire!

>> No.44807460

>>44807418
I don't really blame Flan, she's 12, and she too strong to spend time around normal people so she might hurt them on accident. Then some random lady invades your house and assaults/posses the few people who you spend time with, then you get invited on a fun adventure and get to roughhouse instead of having the spend the entire day in self imposed basement exile.

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With how Flandre depicted in 17.5 and this manga, Remilia is now seems like a whiny sheltered pampered brat that's more immature than her younger sister by comparison lol

>> No.44807654

>>44807608
Remilia-shama is very educated and a refined lady.

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>>44778119
>>44779117
>Flandre is supposed to be top 5 strongest in Gensokyo.
Is she? I hope not, Flandre fags are insufferable.

>>44764268
>>44772359
>>44772684
>>44807090
>>44807608

We're yet to see, but it doesn't seem to me that Flandre is the 100% psycho like her fanon self, in fact, it seems that she is taking her job pretty seriously. It was an actual good call to double down on fighting everyone, how could she know that none of them is Mizuchi?

This actually makes Flandre a more interesting character. Instead of an axe-crazy psycho she is more like a blood knight that loves to fight and get in trouble (kinda like Remilia in SSiB) but not actually murderous. Okina had to goad her VERY hard to use her eye ability thingy on Yuuma, who came knocking on her door on the next day.

I do hope she gets smacked or bailed out by Yukari tho, the Flandre shilling is getting annoying.

Also, props to Byakuren for understanding the situation quickly and squaring up.

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>>44808686
>kinda like Remilia in SSiB
She's definitely not a blood knight at the slightest lol

>> No.44811076

>>44807608
Remilia and Flandre are polar opposites.

Remilia seems immature but is actually much more clever and capable than she lets on. Flandre acts like a grown up, but is totally just a child mentally.

>> No.44811112

>>44807445
Fuck them.

All Youkai deserve death!

>> No.44811533

>>44810839
Eh, I meant the "getting in trouble" part. Since she went along with Yukari's sheenanigans to entertain herself.

Also, she still fought Yorihime and got nuked (as expected) then went to sleep.

>> No.44811559

>>44811533
I would say that is a big difference though. Flandre enjoys fighting. Remilia just wants a good time. It's why she is very hospitable to people visiting her mansion.

>> No.44811620

>>44811559
I wish we got more scenes with them together, these fuckers barely interact.
We know from SoPM that Remilia is the one that makes the Scarlet Mist, It would be insteresting to see both of them in an operation like this.

All interaction they had was that small accusation at the beginning.

>> No.44811758

>>44811620
Agree. But that would require ZUN to actually do something with Remilia again.

I mean, it's not impossible. The Flandre renesaince seemed impossible in 2012 during the height of Touhou.

>> No.44811791

>>44811620
they interact in BAiJR where Flan is somewhat disrespectful to Remi when she's not around.
Flan also thinks that Remi's fate manipulation is bullshit.

>> No.44812135

>>44811791
I think she knew she was nearby and was rude on purpose to mess with her

>> No.44812374

>>44812135
no, it has been stated before that she is very perceptive and weirdly intuitive. Remi is know to hype herself
If Fate can be manipulated, then is not fate

>> No.44813279

>>44811533
>Eh, I meant the "getting in trouble" part. Since she went along with Yukari's sheenanigans to entertain herself
Nah, remember that Flan's infamous "locked in the basement for 500 years" thing is by her own volition and shows that she was content keeping to herself unless the literal admin of the realm came to her begging of her assistance TWICE, while her sister keeps stirring shit to the bane of both Gensokyoan AND Lunarian (the pre Spell Card rampage, EoSD, and SSiB)

>> No.44813344

>>44811076
You're not fooling anyone, Remilia

>> No.44815842

>>44780133
Kaguya sneaking out and playing with the fairies again!

>> No.44818351

>>44793331
Touhou is worldwide phenomenon

>> No.44819384

>>44815842
They are all immortal after all.

>> No.44819689

>>44790191
>She can survive having her internal organs pierced.
wut

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>>44794371
Yes. 2hus move really really fucking fast. Across insane distances. Like the corridor in Imperishable Night. Or them catching up to the The Palanquin Ship. And Reimu is somehow faster than most of them ...

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>>44794371
>There's no way I buy that bullets and attacks just staying away from her like some kind of omnipotent divine providence.
Well tough shit, cause that's what it is.

>> No.44824129

I just realized when it says "The Palanquin was sealed underground" the Myouren folks actually had been living somewhere in Former Hell instead of being trapped or literally sealed judging by how Rin and Chiyari seem friendly with Nazrin and how Mizuchi knows well of Myouren folks, or rather it's only the ship that was trapped and later released by the geyser.
I think that'd explain the confusion on how Mizuchi also know Shou despite how it's said that she wasn't sealed along with the Palanquin. The Myouren folks probably can just come and go from the underground as they please, Shou included.
It's confusing because I think most people believed that the Myouren folks were "asleep" or rendered immobile with the Palanquin.

>> No.44824205

I still don't understand how ZUN managed to make a story about possession so fucking boring. I've been jerking off to Ameshoo's work for a literal decade now and he can do it for fapfuel way better than ZUN could for what's supposed to be a serious story.

>> No.44828648

>>44811758
SSiB 2? This time Clownpiece and her boss hitch a ride?

>> No.44828803

>>44811112
Shut up Mizuchi

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