Alright, who, if anyone, will end up with Shkanontrice on the board? This issue is of critical importance.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:46:07 2010 No.4399225 [Reply] [Original]

Alright, who, if anyone, will end up with Shkanontrice on the board? This issue is of critical importance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:47:07 2010 No.4399240 >>4399225 George will. Search your heart, you know it to be true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:48:07 2010 No.4399245 Alone. The others are already dead after all. Well Battler could be alive but he will get an Ange ending if it's so.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:49:07 2010 No.4399264
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>>4399245
If everyone is already dead, then that makes this whole series a bit pointless, doesn't it?
Why should I give a rat's ass about the relationships and problems of dead people?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:51:07 2010 No.4399277 >>4399264 Well, you can blame RifBTkishi for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:53:07 2010 No.4399293 >>4399264 Because Ryuukishi thought he was smart by creating a story that is nothing more than a commentary on what a fiction is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:53:07 2010 No.4399298 >>4399277 Not blaming him, cause I don't really believe that's the case. Don't disregard the pieces.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:55:07 2010 No.4399311 I REFUSE SHKANON I REFUSE

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:55:07 2010 No.4399314 Oh you Anons. So convinced Shkanon or Shkanontrice is the ONLY answer to this game. You all disappoint Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:56:07 2010 No.4399318 >>4399311 AGREED! I DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS CRAP!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:56:07 2010 No.4399321 Enough with shkanontrice, calling a motherfucking Teatrice thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:56:07 2010 No.4399324 >>4399314 No, we all pretty much accepted Ryukishi = BT = Rifyu = Battler = Beatrice = Everyone else, last night.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:59:07 2010 No.4399334 >>4399225 George can have those used goods. Really, Battler can just have his pick between Erika and Jessica. Or both, if he wants.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 15:59:07 2010 No.4399335

>>4399314
I can't think of much ways to get out of E6. Other than Erika being fictional.

But well, Kyrie is The High Priestess(keeper of a huge ass secret that relates to the world, not to herself), Battler is Justice(and has grey stripes on clothing like Juuza and then there is The Moon(a lie, basically). So I believe Ryu has some keikaku.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:01:07 2010 No.4399342

>>4399335
Instead of thinking about how to get out of EP6, why don't you guys look over everything in the previous episodes? Not to mention with all the references to Dante's Inferno and Ten Little Indians (or whatever it's called nowadays), you might be able to find some clues by reading them. (For instance, what if when Eva solved the epitaph by looking for that Atlas, what if we could solve it by looking through those books..?)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:02:07 2010 No.4399345 Fictiontrice is the only true answer, Beatrice is a book who killed people with papercuts and then caught on fire burning the island

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:02:07 2010 No.4399346 >>4399335 The Moon? You know, just because Jessica lies, that doesn't mean she's evil. She could be chaotic good or something, or just crazy herself. ....You'd have to be somewhat messed up in the head to play the game of pretend she does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:02:07 2010 No.4399347 >>4399342 Brb, looking at the 6th canto of Purgatorio.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:03:07 2010 No.4399356 >>4399240 George doesn't deserve anybody.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:06:07 2010 No.4399375

>>4399324
oh well, I've never, ever got my answer on how could Erika call corpses in red what could not be corpses at the time, but whatever.

For me it seems like this so far:
Jessica is the Mastermind who places stakes in the corpses.
Whether with ShKanon or without it, Kanon either a)always goes against the main murderer and always gets killed b)is the one absolute murderer. There is no way and no reason for them to kill, well, anyone. ShKanon doesn't nearly solve everything.
Kyrie always plays her own game.
There is someone who really hates Rosa, I can't help wondering why.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:08:07 2010 No.4399388 >>4399375 >There is someone who really hates Rosa, I can't help wondering why. Because she gets shit done.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:12:07 2010 No.4399410

>>4399346

>>4399342
Well, it's not Dante's Inferno, it's Divine Comedy. I won't rage, I raged about people calling it so enough already. And don't call it anything else, because the main part that matters is Purgatory.

From what I can get from the themes:
The absolute sin is "Betrayal of belief"
Beatrice has to leave in the end.
At the top of Purgatory, you have to give up on love. Because love is destructive. When you enter Paradise, you should have only one emotion left: humbleness, submission.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:14:07 2010 No.4399423 >>4399347 Also checking Canto 24, as WtC 4, Episode 2.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:14:07 2010 No.4399424

>>4399346
Sorry.

The tarot card of moon means pretty much: What appears on the surface is just a reflection of something really huge and important. You can understand something about that important thing from the reflection, but it's deformed. You have to find and face the real thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:17:07 2010 No.4399441 File: 147 KB, 593x1021, The Moon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399424 http://images.4chan.org/jp/src/1266332556669.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:19:07 2010 No.4399448 In EP7 Battler grows a moustache & blows this shit open.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:21:07 2010 No.4399461 >>4399448 And then he becomes a hobo and grows a beard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:21:07 2010 No.4399465 File: 172 KB, 594x382, fwbc_syuns-img594x382-1265463144mdxr8c60929.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399441 Speaking of the cards, why aren't there any scans for The Lovers and The Empress yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:23:07 2010 No.4399474 >>4399342 Note the tarot card of Kyrie, she is pulling a book from a bookshelf on it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:23:07 2010 No.4399475 >>4399465 I always thought of Natsuhi as strength.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:24:07 2010 No.4399476 >>4399465 Is that Eva and Natsuhi?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:25:07 2010 No.4399488 >>4399465 I know of these: Battlerkusa - Justice Maria - Mage Kyrie - The High Priestess Kanon - The Hanged Man Natsuhi&Eva - The Empress Jessica - The Moon Beato - The World

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:27:07 2010 No.4399494 >>4399488 Maria is The Sun, Gap is Star & Sakutaro is the magician.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:28:07 2010 No.4399501
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>>4399488
There's also Maria for The Sun, Gaap for the Star, George and Shannon for The Lovers, and Eva and Natsuhi for the Empress. I predict Kinzo for Emperor and Virgilia for Hermit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:29:07 2010 No.4399506 >>4399488 Kinzo is totally going to become The Fool

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:30:07 2010 No.4399514 >>4399501 I thought of Hideyoshi as the Emperor & Hierophant as Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:31:07 2010 No.4399523 >>4399506 Kinzo should be World to Battler's Fool. It fits all too well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:32:07 2010 No.4399533 >>4399501 Gaap somehow doesn't fit to be Star

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:32:07 2010 No.4399534 >>4399506 I say Piece Battler will be the Fool. Though I guess Kinzo would work too, if you're going the Battler = Kinzo route.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:32:07 2010 No.4399536 >>4399523 Beatrice is the World.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:34:07 2010 No.4399546 >>4399534 I think Kinzo will be something like wheel of fortune.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:34:07 2010 No.4399548 >>4399534 Well, I can't help feeling that Fool's "mostly harmless, but can pierce the heaven if you fight the power enough, at the propability of quadrillion to one" totally fits the whole personality of Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:34:07 2010 No.4399550 >>4399548 > Kinzo > mostly harmless lolno

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:35:07 2010 No.4399555 File: 109 KB, 498x1004, seacards.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rosa is 'The Fool', no Battler as we expected.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:35:07 2010 No.4399557 >>4399550 I'm talking about the whole roulette idea. Then again, Wheel of Fortune fits for the same reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:35:07 2010 No.4399559 File: 95 KB, 415x480, Battlersuit2-8_23_ib4f.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] While we're at it, would anyone mind explaining who or what justice battler is?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:35:07 2010 No.4399562 >>4399555 Rosa?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:36:07 2010 No.4399571 >>4399559 Check the card. The grey stripes, especially.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:38:07 2010 No.4399580 >>4399562 May refer to her dying all the time. >>4399555 >Ronove >Devil Imokaywiththis.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:38:07 2010 No.4399582 >>4399555 > Rosa is the Fool ...What?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:39:07 2010 No.4399594 >>4399559 >>4399571 Battler confirmed for Amakusa?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:40:07 2010 No.4399602 So Rosa is the begining & the end result is Beatrice? Well she was the first to meet a Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:40:07 2010 No.4399604 >>4399580 He IS one of the 72 demon lords, so guess it's only natural.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:40:07 2010 No.4399610 >>4399602 Rosatrice?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:41:07 2010 No.4399616 >>4399610 Well someone had to teach Maria magic & i can't see why that can't be Rosa.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:44:07 2010 No.4399637 >>4399555 Well, Rosa does get shit done. I am not too surprised. HNG NATSUHI AND EVA ZOMG

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:44:07 2010 No.4399640 File: 746 KB, 757x1352, 1253691789256_ib4f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399571 Sorry, but I don't see it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:44:07 2010 No.4399645 I like how you guys base your shit on marketing stuff that the anime staff thought out rather than what actually happen in the fucking games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:44:07 2010 No.4399646 Rosa is also the one giving the ultimate hints when someone solves the epitaph.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:46:07 2010 No.4399658

>>4399375
>Whether with ShKanon or without it, Kanon either a)always goes against the main murderer and always gets killed b)is the one absolute murderer.

I always thought that, too. Out of all the people on the board, Kanon always seems to struggle against 'Beatrice' the hardest, and seems like he has much more to lose than anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:46:07 2010 No.4399660 File: 65 KB, 1280x720, Umineko no Naku Koro ni - 19 - Large 27.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399640 He has kevlar vest and stuff, but like this you can see it well enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:46:07 2010 No.4399661 File: 113 KB, 1080x800, 2978933.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399640 This brings us once again to the age old question of cape vs. Justice suit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:46:07 2010 No.4399665 File: 1.84 MB, 645x2777, lululu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399658 Well... that's because he IS Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:48:07 2010 No.4399678 File: 59 KB, 550x750, 091102pict01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399660 And aren't he, Battler, and Kyrie the only ones to have crosses on their outfits?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:48:07 2010 No.4399680 >>4399645 Tarot cards are fun, bra, and there are hints everywhere. We shouldn't disregard them simply because Umineko has totally been solved 100% and we should just give up and die.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:48:07 2010 No.4399682 >>4399658 Rosa seems to have it pretty tough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:50:07 2010 No.4399691 >>4399660 So..is he Amakusa? I am confused.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:50:07 2010 No.4399695 >>4399555 So far I'm liking these cards. Battler IS indeed Justice, simply because Meta-Battler is a mix of magic and mystery, balance in it's purest form. Jessica being the moon bodes ill, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:50:07 2010 No.4399699 >>4399678 He and Battler are also the only ones to laugh like "Kihihihi", as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:50:07 2010 No.4399700 >>4399678 Yup. And it makes sense for Battler to go prematurely gray if Kyrie and Kasumi did as well. Sumadera thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:51:07 2010 No.4399705 >>4399678 Kinda unrelated, but I thought of an alternative answer on Beato's WTC3 final question. It would make sense if Beatrice was "Ushiromiya family". Eva-Beatrice, well, Sumadera family?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:51:07 2010 No.4399709 >>4399695 Doesn't the high priestess sit between the moon & something else? I'm not good with tarot cards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:51:07 2010 No.4399710 >>4399645 DEEN doesn't do marketing. Frontier Works does. They're the ones responsible for everything good about the Umineko anime, including the OP and ED. (Excepting the previews, which were the best part of what DEEN did.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:52:07 2010 No.4399719 >>4399699 Battler goes "Ihihihi". Maria's the one who goes "Kihihihi".

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:52:48 2010 No.4399724 File: 631 KB, 628x2379, Maria knows.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399665 Fuck yeah Kanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:53:07 2010 No.4399727 >>4399719 Right, that. Been a while since I posted that last.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:53:07 2010 No.4399735 >>4399705 A little unrelated to that unrelatedness, but Kasumi's henchmen and the goats make the same noise. Forget if the goats made it in EP3 and therefore show a relation to the Sumaderas or not, but...interesting, R07. Veeery interesting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:54:07 2010 No.4399748 >>4399735 I think in this murder the Sumaderas have to be involved some how, could Kyrie still be tied to them some how?

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:54:07 2010 No.4399749

>>4399709
High Priestess is a benevolent card. Like, spiritual guidance, basically.
The Moon is one of the worst cards out there though. It's not a very good thing, it represents that there is more than meets the eye to something, and not in a good way.

The Tower is also pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:55:07 2010 No.4399750 File: 79 KB, 550x750, 090514pict01.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399678 Battler's anime eyes, for comparison to Amakusa's.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:56:07 2010 No.4399760 >>4399735 ...So Kyrie is already dead and Kasumi is the one cosplaying her? Makes for fucking up with lots of riddles? Hey, this is exactly the kind of twist I would not put past Ryukushi at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:56:07 2010 No.4399761 File: 70 KB, 550x750, 090514pict02.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399750 Funnily enough, Amakusa's are closer in color to Jessica's.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:57:07 2010 No.4399776 >>4399761 I TOLD YALL NIGGERS JESSICA WAS THE SECOND BATTLER YALL NIGGERS DIDN'T BELIEVE ME

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:57:07 2010 No.4399777 >>4399749 I found this, >Passive and all wise, she speaks and the fool must learn to hear her. She is often shown holding a book. What mysteries are in her book? (Rosa should listen to Kyrie?)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:58:07 2010 No.4399783 >>4399777 Fascinating & Proceed

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 16:59:07 2010 No.4399786 Umineko would be better if Rosa was the protagonist. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:01:07 2010 No.4399806 >>4399783 Well i won't copy & paste, http://psychicvisions.org/tarotstory.htm#II%20The%20High%20Priestess I don't know what you will make of the site but hey.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:01:07 2010 No.4399808 >>4399786 Umineko would be better if Rosa was my wife.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:01:07 2010 No.4399809 File: 215 KB, 850x526, sample_ae2967ecd41879ab5f6723be5a99616798602f39.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399761 Delicious Jessica

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:02:07 2010 No.4399813

>>4399749
I am still not sure about Kanon being the Hanged Man. Exactly because the card is not as negative as it seems. It means someone who appears twisted but has the most insight out of everyone.
If anything, it's going almost completely against ShKanontrice

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:02:07 2010 No.4399814 How tall is Amakusa? The first part of EP1 made a huge deal about how HOLY FUCK BATTLER IS REALLY FUCKING TALL WHAT THE SHIT. Could be relevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:03:07 2010 No.4399827 >>4399806 >Scorn or ignore her message and The High Priestess becomes the queen of the night. >An alluring witch whose delight is to ensnare in illusion and destroy. Kyrietrice confirmed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:04:07 2010 No.4399830 lol

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:04:07 2010 No.4399838

No one will end up with Shkannontrice.
Ryukishi will troll everyone until the next ep, and you will all be disgusted because you had been trolled by such a cheap trick.

Also, Kanon is too much cool to be one with Shannon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFS_JybaNs&feature=related

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:04:07 2010 No.4399839 >>4399813 Kanon does have the most insight out of everyone. Episode one, he realizes what's going down, and he decides to fuck Beato's shit, but because the Hanged Man's luck sucks, it amounts to nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:06:07 2010 No.4399853 File: 116 KB, 640x800, 1261595856576.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399809 >delicious >Jessica I respectfully disagree with your opinion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:07:07 2010 No.4399859 File: 60 KB, 611x799, jessica6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399853 Well, HATERS GONNA HATE. Although Dlanor is fine too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:07:07 2010 No.4399864 >>4399838 Fuck yeah SF09-sayu-01.ogg

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:08:07 2010 No.4399867 File: 458 KB, 1200x1695, 5709129.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399853 But I find Dlanor delicious as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:09:07 2010 No.4399882 File: 108 KB, 600x800, 7350770.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rudolf & Krauss have to be The Chariot, >Do not stand in the path of his triumphant journey or you may have to be run down, in the interests of progress, of course.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:10:07 2010 No.4399893

>The Moon is the last obstacle the Hero must overcome.
>The lesson of The Hang Man (Kanon) and The Devil (Ronove) have been understood. Now, the all attractive Moon must be experienced.
>She is the great illusion, bland and powerful; devouring and unstable, she fascinates and hypnotizes even the purest of souls.

FUCKING MOON-CHAN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:12:07 2010 No.4399902 File: 233 KB, 850x517, sample_ae129e7ee5e110495400120a91778995cb7958d0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399893 >the all attractive Moon DAMN RIGHT

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:12:07 2010 No.4399904 File: 120 KB, 527x600, fuckingmoonchan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399893 Relax, stop freaking out. Who gives a crap about the mystery anyways?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:12:07 2010 No.4399911 File: 44 KB, 850x632, fucking moon-chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399893 I can't even come up with an oblivious-sounding quote for Jessica. FUCKING MOON-CHAN

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:13:07 2010 No.4399920 File: 196 KB, 655x1005, Motherfucking Moon-chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399911 What sort of obliviousness are you looking for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:14:07 2010 No.4399921 >>4399893Negative;The Moon is a nightmare before the dawn. The nightmare cannot be fought. The soul can only hope to wake up. trollface.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:14:07 2010 No.4399922 >>4399893 add to it that kanon always refers to her as his sun, and she becomes more evil

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:15:07 2010 No.4399930 File: 50 KB, 960x540, 1246466099982.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Poor George, >If it is not, if he cannot bear to leave his mother, there will only be stagnation, or at best, futile and sad vacillation.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:16:07 2010 No.4399934

>>4399920
You guys seem surprised.
I would have thought people would have figured out she's bad news when she answered the phone in episode 4, and single-handily caused Battler, George, and Maria to believe in some wacky trial that ended up killing everyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:18:07 2010 No.4399949 >>4399904 As the person who translated the TIP, that wasn't a hint. She wasn't telling people to stop thinking about the mystery, she was just saying she personally didn't care. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:19:07 2010 No.4399954 >>4399882 >Krauss >triumphant ...Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:19:07 2010 No.4399956 File: 1.65 MB, 645x2953, E2 Kanon&Jessica closed room.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399934 I do not want to argue abot this again, so I'll just leave this here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:19:07 2010 No.4399958 >>4399949 No, we know what she said. It's still hilarious as hell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:20:07 2010 No.4399962 >>4399954 He was going up man, a man way ahead of his time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:20:07 2010 No.4399963 File: 67 KB, 557x392, 1223299830950.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399949 >As the person who translated the TIP HURRY THE FUCK UP WITH EP6

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:20:07 2010 No.4399967 >>4399963 I don't think Witch-Hunt would let me join if I tried, bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:21:07 2010 No.4399970 >>4399963 I'm pretty sure the translator for the tip isn't part of Witch Hunt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:21:07 2010 No.4399972 >>4399958 Also George's story about getting Shannon to look for a hat with him, despite not having lost a hat to begin with. George is fucking manipulative.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:21:07 2010 No.4399975

>>4399949
Hm? Oh, no, no, well, first off, I'd hardly say you could determine what is or isn't a hint, and I wouldn't take TIPs too seriously, but it is rather humorous that she says she doesn't care about the mystery or about theorizing. If we had her tell Battler to stop thinking, that would be ridiculously blatant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:22:07 2010 No.4399981 >>4399967 >>4399970 Oh well, disregard that then.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:23:07 2010 No.4399994

>>4399975
Yeah, I didn't think she was telling Battler to stop caring either, but I still kinda double-taked at her dialogue.
Although, if she did tell Battler to stop it would be a bit out of place.
Battler: OH TIP RELATED SHENANIGANS!
Jessica: HAHAHAHAH but seriously just give up and die HAHAHAHAHAH SHENANIGANS

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:27:07 2010 No.4400022 >>4399994 If only TIPs were canon.... oh Batter x Luci....... my OTP...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:27:07 2010 No.4400028 >>4399972 Yeah. Noone likes George. I don't even know why SHANNON likes George. Perhaps because Shannon was Beato just giving up on life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:27:07 2010 No.4400030 >>4400022 They aren't?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:28:07 2010 No.4400036 File: 611 KB, 680x594, 1266286340474.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400022 This will never happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:29:07 2010 No.4400047 >>4400028 I don't know why anyone likes Shannon, for instance. What Gaap said about her is pretty much true, the breast are the only thing good about her. Otherwise she is at best a clumsy low tier houswife.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:29:07 2010 No.4400049 File: 56 KB, 500x365, line_siesta410_02.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400022 They are. Apparently Siesta 410 makes a comment near the end of EP6 involving Comiket. Anybody know exactly what she said?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:30:07 2010 No.4400059 File: 446 KB, 644x482, not qualified.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400047 > Otherwise she is at best a clumsy low tier houswife. That's part of why George likes her, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:30:07 2010 No.4400060 >>4400036 BATTLER WILL GET HIS HOBO END LIKE I DID IN DRAGON'S AGE BUT LUCIFER WILL BE LIKE ZEVRAN AND HELP BATTLER FIND HIS WAIFU. WATCH IT HAPPEN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:31:07 2010 No.4400072 >>4400060 Even if Meta Beato dies, I want the Meta World to continue to exist in some form. It'd just be too sad to have all those characters we've gotten to know simply vanish at the end...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:33:07 2010 No.4400084 >>4400072 I think the meta world is already going in Ep6 Kumasawa & Genji serve Beatrice & Battler. Not Ronove & Virgilia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:33:07 2010 No.4400086 >>4400072 Meta Beato dies? Ah, that happens from time to time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:35:07 2010 No.4400093 >>4400084 Samefags.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:36:07 2010 No.4400109
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>>4400072
Best hobo end: Battler kills Beato as per her promise/obligatory drama, and right after he picks himself up off the ground and manages to stop bawwing for five minutes, Bern makes a comment to him along the lines of "lololol you just killed your waifu lol."

He fucking rages, goes into beast mode and destroys Bern, ignores Lambdadelta's whining, ditches Lia and the Stakes, and sets off to be the best hobo ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:37:07 2010 No.4400114 >>4400093 This. Meta Kumasawa changes into Virgilia at one point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:37:07 2010 No.4400116 >>4400109 Best way to troll Bern is to not become a monster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:37:07 2010 No.4400118 >>4400049 Do you have any of the other Siesta concepts? I want to see their faces from the Kinzo humiliation scene.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:37:07 2010 No.4400120 File: 261 KB, 800x800, 1263337439894.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400059

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:39:07 2010 No.4400137 File: 59 KB, 500x358, line_siesta45_02.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400118 45

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:41:07 2010 No.4400157 >>4400120 Rifyu George is the best Umineko character ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:41:07 2010 No.4400159 File: 66 KB, 500x357, line_siesta00_02.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400137 And here's 00. So yeah, they really _did_ plan on including it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:43:07 2010 No.4400174 File: 76 KB, 500x360, line_Gaap02.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Also Gaap trollface.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:43:07 2010 No.4400178 If Battler kills Beato, I will eat my hat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:44:07 2010 No.4400182 File: 59 KB, 500x365, line_ramuda01.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] And Lambda having a miragecoordinator moment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:44:07 2010 No.4400186 >>4400137 >>4400159 Thanks :3

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:45:07 2010 No.4400187 >>4400178 You don't have a hat, George.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 17:46:07 2010 No.4400193 File: 14 KB, 425x425, omnomnom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400178 It would probably be in your best interest to begin now.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:01:07 2010 No.4400301

Battler will become a hobo, but the Stakes will be there for him and one day, when he needs them the most, they'll save him like they did Ange. Battler will make Lucifer his waifu and end up with a harem with all of the stakes. Then, he'll go around being a mercenary and killing people, and everyone will think that its because he's so good with a gun, but its really because of the stakes, and then he'll go prematurely gray and Ange won't recognize him in the future. Then, when Ange is in trouble on the cliff about to get killed by Kyrie's jealous sister, Battler will sic the stakes on them (shoot them) and save her. He won't tell her about it, and the illusion of the witch will live on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:03:07 2010 No.4400323 >>4400301 And then Ange dies in a traffic accident later that year and Battler goes FFFFFFFF.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:11:07 2010 No.4400377

>>4400323
And then Battler realizes that if he hadn't encouraged her with the illusion of the witch, she wouldn't have tried to enter the meta world to save him. So basically, if he had just told her that he had escaped the island alive, and he was the one who shot the black suits, and that he was back to be reunited with her, it would have been a happy ending. When he realizes this, he becomes a hobo for real.

But wait. Would that make Battler a survivor of Eva's murders in that story, or an accomplice? Either way is a possibility, and the changed hair color could even be dyed to disguise his identity from either Eva or the rest of the world who thinks that he's dead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:11:07 2010 No.4400378 Piece Battler hobo end: ;_; FUCK YOU RYUKISHI THIS IS SHIT WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THIS Meta Battler hobo end: AW YEAH FUCKING SORCERER HOBO BEING BATSHIT AND MISSING HIS WAIFU AND BEING A MOTHERFUCKING HOBO FUCK YEAH RYUKISHI YOU ARE THE BEST

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:11:07 2010 No.4400381 File: 340 KB, 637x481, jessicaisfuckingbrilliant.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399911

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:12:07 2010 No.4400390 >>4399555 are there any scans of these cards or?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:13:07 2010 No.4400393 File: 30 KB, 305x251, I DUNNO LOL.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400381 Thanks, bro. SNAKES DON'T HAVE LEGS

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:18:07 2010 No.4400437 >>4400393 Hey, Beatrice gets flustured by Ronove all the damn time, I don't quite think we can use that to call her retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:19:07 2010 No.4400451 >>4400437 Well, both Jessica and Beatrice are tsundoras; so...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:19:07 2010 No.4400456 >>4400437 So being flustered means you'll state the very obvious?

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:25:07 2010 No.4400497

>>4400456
Nah, I mean, get caught up in Ronove's tomfoolery. Before that, Ronove tells a tale or something, and Jessica points out the flaws, I.E. Snakes don't have legs..

And proceeds to have a remarkably insightful reflection of her choices, so I think it is rather unfair to call her retarded because of one statement made to a demon butler.

As for stupidity, actions speak louder than words, in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:33:07 2010 No.4400556 >>4400378 Both are shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:39:07 2010 No.4400606 http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4011216 Remember this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:42:07 2010 No.4400635 File: 298 KB, 501x1372, trollkishi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400606 Oh god I remember being on for that thread. shit was batshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:45:07 2010 No.4400668 >>4400606 >it's a little bit less retarded. >calling her a hot dog <Good> times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 18:58:07 2010 No.4400780 >>4400606 I love the period of time a few days before and after Comiket. There's an influx of /a/ shitheads, but the sheer trolling and mindfuckery makes up for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:33:07 2010 No.4401060 >>4400606 Oh hey, looks like a fragment of the latest TIP was floating around even back then, going by the thread before. (Specifically, the part where Virgilia and Ronove are mentioning pairings with Battler.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:36:07 2010 No.4401086 >>4399864 yeah, now Kanon have one of the best song in umineko for him. Best thing of ep6.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:39:07 2010 No.4401109 >>4401086 > him You mean her, right? Because Kanon is actually a reverse trap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:41:07 2010 No.4401129 >>4400668 I wish furtur caught on

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:43:07 2010 No.4401138 >>4401086 Jessica's scene is pretty beastly also. Seriously, demonic Jessica is such a good troll, she reminds me of Fontaine from Bioshock a bit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:44:07 2010 No.4401150 File: 104 KB, 620x596, 3072522.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4401138 Maths out of fucking nowhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:45:07 2010 No.4401160 >>4401150 Yeah, Kyrie put up a great fight. Pity about the hellfire, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:56:07 2010 No.4401253 >>4401160 She was actually winning for the most part too. Jessica won because she got power boost, demon possession and Ronove helped her out. I mean all that just to take down Kyrie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 19:59:07 2010 No.4401287 >>4400635 In that image, there should have been something like ,'BEEEETEEEE ;_;' on the side.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:13:07 2010 No.4401418 File: 239 KB, 704x400, Anger.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Shkanon I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT CRAP

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:14:07 2010 No.4401425 Ronove Tarot scans where?

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:17:07 2010 No.4401448

Hey, guys, this is offtopic but I didn't want to make a new thread. I'm trying to translate some shit that was released at Butterfly Kiss. It's not a TIP, but 18 different Valentine's messages from fantasy characters were handed out, and they're each being uploaded to the Umineko wiki.

Unfortunately, it being a wiki, it's not always the most reliable source, especially when it's hard to get confirmation of anything because there were 18 different types of cards handed out.

I've seen two different versions of Lucifer's and I'm trying to figure out which one is the real version. Which sounds more legit to you?

Ver 1:
To the great territory lord, master of the Golden Land,

With this, I am sending Your Majesty chocolate. Soon, you will probably receive chocolate from a large number of people, including my sisters.
But even so, please do not become arrogant. It is not the amount of chocolate that is important, but the feelings put into them.

Please make certain you do not forget that...

-From the eldest sister of the Seven Sisters of Purgatory, Lucifer, with love and faith

Ver 2:
To the great territory lord, master of the game board,

In regards to Valentine's Day, I am acting as a representative of the Seven Sisters of Purgatory, and sending you chocolate along with a vow of eternal loyalty.

-From the eldest sister of the Seven Sisters of Purgatory, Lucifer, with love and loyalty

P.S. I, Lucifer, will become a chair or a candlestick, a cat or a carpet, furniture or a slave, so long as you command it.
Your Majesty, please use the shabby furniture that I am however you please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:22:07 2010 No.4401486 >>4401448 Well, thanks as always, guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:23:07 2010 No.4401492 >>4401448 I want to say the first one, because the second one sounds too submissive for Lucifer. Maybe there were actually multiple Lucifer ones though? Also were any doujins released at Butterfly Kiss? Ah, I bet none of them will be scanned, either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:23:07 2010 No.4401497 >>4401448 First one sounds more legit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:24:07 2010 No.4401503 no one since shkannontrice is not true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:26:07 2010 No.4401513 Pfft if indeed Amakusa is Battler.Why would he shoot Ange?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:29:07 2010 No.4401530 >>4401513 He missed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:30:07 2010 No.4401536 >>4401530 really?i didn't pay attention

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:36:07 2010 No.4401569 HOLY SHIT GUISE. WAIT A SECOND. When Eva shot Battler in the episode where she commits the crime, where did he get hit? I can't remember. Was it in the head?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:36:07 2010 No.4401571 >>4401492 >>4401497 Thanks. You're probably right. This makes me worry about the Beelzebub one, though, because that and the seeming fake Lucifer were one were the only ones with a "P.S." part to it. I have no idea what's fake and what's not anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:37:07 2010 No.4401572 >>4401569 in the chest i think.check the tips.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:49:07 2010 No.4401648 File: 63 KB, 639x483, battlerdeathep3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4401569 are you implying Battler survived this tragedy and become Amakusa?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:56:07 2010 No.4401683 >>4401648 He has a robot heart now.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 20:57:07 2010 No.4401690

>>4401648
For all we know, it could be. Even if he was "killed" it could just be referring to his personality as Battler. You know, like getting shot was a life changing experience... lol. So when he took the new name and tried to hide but still make a living by taking those kinds of jobs, he became a new person.

It's probably not true, but it could be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:00:07 2010 No.4401715 >>4401648 Obviously Battler is like Doctor No and his heart is in his body incorrectly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:01:07 2010 No.4401719 File: 29 KB, 608x458, personalities dying.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4401690 > You know, like getting shot was a life changing experience... lol. Sakutarou getting killed was enough of a life-changing experience for Maria.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:03:07 2010 No.4401732
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I can't wait for Ryukishi to stop all your DID theories that all of you seem to rely so hard on. Jesus christ can't you guys think of anything else? Use your fucking heads for once. Yes, I mad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:04:07 2010 No.4401739 File: 33 KB, 499x480, Ange.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4401732 Don't worry, Goldsmith. I too, mad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:05:07 2010 No.4401742 >>4401732 Ryukishi has DID though

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:06:07 2010 No.4401750 >>4401742 Ryukishi = BT = Rifyu. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:07:07 2010 No.4401762 File: 107 KB, 478x480, kin_fumua1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4401750 No.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:07:07 2010 No.4401768 >>4401569 Ryukishi is actually a dead baby who is the child of himself and his dead self.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:07:07 2010 No.4401771 Battler = Beato

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:08:07 2010 No.4401779 I apologize Master Goldsmith, but all I could come up with is the Erika Fight Club Theory, which is scarcely any better. And these fags don't listen to me anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:09:07 2010 No.4401793 >>4401779 Like I said earlier in the thread, as referenced by this post >>4399342 Maybe if some of you all stop focusing so hard on one episode where something seems impossible, and solve the rest first, your answer might appear yes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:29:07 2010 No.4401939 >>4401793 why dont you come up with a theory that is DID free?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:35:07 2010 No.4401989 >>4401939 Have you heard the Kanon=Kinzo theory yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:37:07 2010 No.4402006 >>4401989 never.that theory have DID too i bet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:38:07 2010 No.4402013 File: 111 KB, 480x480, kin_akuwaraia2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4401939 Maybe I already did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:38:07 2010 No.4402018 >>4402006 Well, uh... Kinda, but it restricts it to Kanontrice rather than Shkanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:38:07 2010 No.4402020 >>4401939 In the best case scenario there is still DID, just instead of 2 more personalities than there should be it's only 1 extra. The best version of scenario with that quality is Kanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:39:07 2010 No.4402023 >>4402006 Dude, the personalities thing has been confirmed in a way. See >>4401719.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:39:07 2010 No.4402027 "Erika doesn't exist" and "Kanon = 'Kinzo'" both work for ep6 without DID, I don't know where people get that from. Hell, Shannon = Kanon doesn't even require DID, just a whooooole lotta people in on it for some unexplained reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:40:07 2010 No.4402037 Someone has DID in Umineko, this pretty much a fact, there are clues all over the fucking place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:41:07 2010 No.4402048 >>4402027 > Shannon = Kanon doesn't even require DID It does. If Shkanon is true, then Episode 6 makes it QUITE clear that they are distinct individuals with their own wants and interests, and that very fact creates conflict between them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:43:07 2010 No.4402070 >>4402037 Don't forget how >>4401719 shows that the idea of a personality "dying" is right-out told to us in Episode 4.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:44:07 2010 No.4402071 >>4402048 Just because it creates conflict doesn't mean that they are confirmed for DID.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:46:07 2010 No.4402089 DID is so third-rate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:46:07 2010 No.4402090 Peter Parker and Spider-Man have conflicting interests and desires. Guys Spidey has DID!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:47:07 2010 No.4402102 >>4402090 But do they love two different people? And does one try to mentally "kill" the other and force that side of them to no longer exist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:48:07 2010 No.4402106 In ep2 we're told Kinzo created Kanon, Shannon, and Genji through magic. In ep6 we're told Kanon, Shannon, and Beatrice share one soul. Clearly one is bullshit and the other is absolutely 100% true exactly as implied because... oh wait.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:57:07 2010 No.4402180 >>4402106 Remember, magic is an embellishment on the truth. "Shannon and Kanon were created by Kinzo" -> "Kinzo broke the mind of a little girl and caused her to create multiple personalities"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 21:59:07 2010 No.4402192 I ain't saying you're wrong, but saying DID is pretty much established fact means you're either shutting your brain off or trolling. Admittedly hard to tell here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:00:07 2010 No.4402202 >>4402089 Ryukishi's writing is third-rate too, so it works out in the end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:04:07 2010 No.4402237 >>4402006 Not necessarily. If Kinzo is a title, not a alternative personality, it doesnt rely on DID. >>4401719 If i pasted a text in white that says that witches, magic and demons exist would you believe it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:04:07 2010 No.4402241 Kanon = Kinzo, no DID required

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:05:07 2010 No.4402245 >>4402192 Nothing is a estabilished fact until its in red, stop being stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:07:07 2010 No.4402262 >>4402237 > If Kinzo is a title, not a alternative personality, it doesnt rely on DID. There is no Kinzo personality. It's a Kanon personality and a Beatrice personality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:08:07 2010 No.4402271 >>4402262 there is no beatrice personality, go away yaoifag

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:08:07 2010 No.4402272 >>4402262 Why so overconfident?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:09:07 2010 No.4402286 >>4402271 > implying Kanon is not a reverse trap

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:10:07 2010 No.4402293

>>4402192
Remember when Bern being one of the good guys was a estabilished fact?

>>4401719
So by that we can say that Maria is dead since the beggining of all games, so she can survive all the games or be playing dead because the red doesnt work for her, as she is no longer Maria but MARIA.

MARIA is the culprit, confirmed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:12:07 2010 No.4402307 >>4402293 > Remember when Bern being one of the good guys was a estabilished fact? ...It was? 'Cause I thought Bern was suspicious from the very beginning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:13:42 2010 No.4402319 >>4402307 Only if you started with the anime and/or after EP4 was released. When EP1 came nobody has any doubt that BERN WAS RIKA SHE WILL HAPPY BATTLER!1!!1!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:15:07 2010 No.4402328 >>4402307 If you started with the anime maybe. But people that started by the VN before ep4 was pretty sure that Bern was one of the good guys.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:16:07 2010 No.4402337 >>4402293 Explain how a 9 year old girl could kill a bunch of adults twice her size.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:17:07 2010 No.4402347 >>4402337 Poison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:17:07 2010 No.4402350 >Bern was one of the good guys. >Bern: I am the most cruel witch

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:18:07 2010 No.4402351 >>4402337 Poison. Nobody would suspect her poisoning people. Its said that she have bunchs of ''magical tools'' in her bag.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:18:07 2010 No.4402352

>>4402319
To be honest, I've never seen the higurashi anime, nor read the SN.
I refuse to believe in the DID crap. I bet we don't have all the answers, and trying to solve the story with Shkannonrice would be a waste of time.

The next commiket is in August or something right?

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:18:07 2010 No.4402355

>>4402328
I did indeed start with the anime. But I played Episode 1 a couple days before episode 5 of the anime and finished it up before episode 5 of the anime aired, so my first exposure to Bernkastel was via the sound novel. I then went through EP2-EP4 in the following week.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:19:07 2010 No.4402359 >>4402350 Exactly. People write everything off as "LOLOL RYUKISHI IS JUST TROLLAN US GUYS EPIC TROLL" but all he really does is let the readers trick themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:20:07 2010 No.4402371 >>4402347 >>4402351 Okay. Then how did she set up the murders. Keep in mind she's a 9 year old girl, who isn't exactly considered the smartest person on the island (easily tricked by people in costumes, for example)

>>	None !/Zvk4fHhSc Tue Feb 16 22:20:07 2010 No.4402377 >>4402371 Magic, she's a witch. Try to pay attention to the story.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:21:07 2010 No.4402383
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>>4402359
> but all he really does is let the readers trick themselves.
Seriously. Looking back, it's amazing at how much he blatantly states, but in such a way so as to cause people to dismiss it as a troll. Take this bit from Episode 3, for instance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:22:07 2010 No.4402394 I've given a few clues on how to solve it repeatedly in this thread. It's up to you to solve it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:22:07 2010 No.4402396 >>4402377 >Magic Way to miss the entire point of "witches are not part of the murders"

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:23:07 2010 No.4402402

>>4402359
Like with DID?
>>4402371
If she's the culprit she just lied about seeing Beatrice, she's never fooled by anyone.

She's really intelligent too, its implied many times in all episodes that the ''retarded maria'' is a facade.

She could simply have been poisoning coffee and tea everywhere and then would proceed to stake the corpses.

THERE, ITS BETTER THAN SHKANONTRICE
>>4402355
At this point of time it was a estabilished fact that bern was a evil bitch, so yer, your case was different.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:24:07 2010 No.4402412
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>>4402371
> easily tricked by people in costumes, for example
About that... there's no evidence that Maria was ever "tricked" in the way you seem to be thinking. To her, Beatrice may not be an individual person, but rather the concept of the witch. Or, alternatively, the person she knows as Beatrice is the one who gives her the letter in each Episode.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:25:07 2010 No.4402414

>>4402402
>THERE, ITS BETTER THAN SHKANONTRICE

No...I think this may be even worse than Shkanontrice.

Maria as the culprit is just going with the 'lol killer lolis' stereotype and isn't even logical. Shkannontrice isn't logical either, but at least I can stomach it more than a nine year old killing people twice her size and dictating the murders.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:25:07 2010 No.4402415 >>4402402 > At this point of time it was a estabilished fact that bern was a evil bitch, so yer, your case was different. I wasn't following the threads on /a/ or /jp/ at the time, though, so I wasn't aware of her status as a troll.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:26:07 2010 No.4402416

>>4402402
It's never shown that she's using obfuscating stupidity.

She simply has that idiot savant autistic thing going on where she's fucking awful at normal things, like how the story mentions her poor marks in school, but she retains information about the occult with a near photographic memorization.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:26:07 2010 No.4402417 >>4402377 >Try to pay attention to the story. >Magic is the culprit dohohoho

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:26:07 2010 No.4402418 Why is everyone so against Shkannontrice? Even if it's true (which seems likely), I'm 99% sure the culprit is someone else. Having Beatrice personality commit all the murders would go against everything Ryukishi has led us to believe until now.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:29:07 2010 No.4402434

>>4402418
Because the people supporting Shkanontrice would have to accept someone like Jessica as the puppetmaster.

I agree, we've been given a fair amount of foreshadowing that piece Beatrice is certainly involved in the murders, but she's just a pawn to the true mastermind, like Nanjo obviously is.

I just hope someone gets with piece Battler, out of any character in this clusterfuck, he's the main one that deserves a break.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:32:07 2010 No.4402445

>>4402434
>I just hope someone gets with piece Battler

The only one who's possibly going get with Battler is Beatrice herself (not whoever gave birth to her personality), so the chances of that are pretty slim, sadly.

Only way it's going to happen is if Beatrice is somehow her own person, which I doubt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:34:07 2010 No.4402457 >>4402418 >Why is everyone so against Shkannontrice? Because it's pants-on-head retarded and contradicts established character development AND red text. But no one cares because "OMG REVERSE TRAP IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:36:07 2010 No.4402474 >>4402457 > contradicts established character development Except it doesn't. In fact, all established character development for Shannon and Kanon actually points towards it.

Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:41:07 2010 No.4402514

>>4402445
Shannon and Jessica seem like the only possibilities.

Natsuhi is apparently a pure and faithful infant murderer, Kyrie is probably his mother, Hideyoshi is a good guy, so he deserves Eva, and as awesome as it would be, I don't see Rosa seducing him anytime soon.

Shannon seems to love George, so unless that asshole dies, you're probably right, another hobo end for piece if this happens.

Jessica is only possible if Shkanon is true, because then there was never a Kanon to begin with, who did she love.

How did Ryukishi go from the protagonist having an awesome harem in Higurashi to, I LURVE MAH IMAGINARY WAIFU HURP DERP in Umineko, shit sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:41:07 2010 No.4402515 File: 115 KB, 480x480, kin_akuwaraia1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4402474 SUCH A THEORY IS LAUGHABLE. YOU ARE ONE OF THE ONES WHO STOPPED THINKING. ENJOY YOUR HELL.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:42:07 2010 No.4402522 >>4402445 Well, if George dies then everybody will be happy. Also George deserves no good end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:49:07 2010 No.4402575 >>4402522 where is that screenshot that implies George enjoying controlling Shannon emotion and that extra TIPS about him being suspicious as hell

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:53:07 2010 No.4402598 >>4402383 Where is this supposed to be blatant. I could say that >>4402412 is blatant, but even after ep6, this screen from ep3 does not learn anything new.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:55:07 2010 No.4402605 >>4402418 Brcause Ryukishi said that is was going to be a thinking game, and that he will not clearly give an answer, only hints.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:56:07 2010 No.4402615 >>4402605 Sorry, I mean : Because Ryukishi said that umineko will be a thinking game, and that he will not clearly give an answer, only hints

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 22:59:07 2010 No.4402634 >>4402598 It's blatant because it straight-out tells us Beatrice's goal two Episodes before Battler figures it out on his own.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 16 23:05:07 2010 No.4402672 >>4402634 and that's why her goal was very clear even in ep3. Nothing new here, I think that most of the people who have read it understood that. Moreover Lambda always emphasizes this kind of things during the tea party, especially the 3rd

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